a large number of the muslim migrants coming in waves into European Union this autumn are soldiers (strong muslim men 18 - 35 years old)

it is suicidal to ignore this reality

Quote: (11-20-2015 02:24 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

...but I wonder how a lot of Muslim's faith would be affected if Mecca was destroyed.

If any non-muslim power would be responsible for it, that´s an easy question to answer, an asymetrical World War III.
Without a doubt.
A rather short World War III once Pakistan runs out of nukes, I should add.

Quote: (11-20-2015 06:12 PM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  

Quote: (11-20-2015 02:24 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

...but I wonder how a lot of Muslim's faith would be affected if Mecca was destroyed.

If any non-muslim power would be responsible for it, that´s an easy question to answer, World War III.
Without a doubt.

It wouldn't be world war 3 because the arab world isn't exactly filled with competent military leaders or fighters these days either. The current generation of arab "warriors" if you can call them that are good at shooting innocent people, terror against innocents, and ratfucking people behind their back.

They hit their military peak with Saladin and if you look at it then the muslim world was wealthier and more resourceful during that time too. Not far off their military peak they still got rolled by Genghis Khan anyways. I guess muslims could claim Tamerlane but he was more of a crazy man who just happened to enter into history during a very tumultuous time for many doomed people in the middle east.

It's all been downhill since then. Arab muslim armies now are mostly run by incompetent, delusional, and overly arrogant leaders. Their richest countries are run by corpulent sex degenerates. I guess you could point to small bands of successful desert nomad tribes who happened to defend their patch back during some point in history. Those would not stand a chance against modern day warfare though.

In a real total war type scenario the middle east would get rolled fast. Conventional armies would smash the fuck out of whatever shit armies riding around in toyota technicals and hiding in holes.

The problem is when the western world tries to "win hearts and minds" and play the good guvnor of the people in those shithole countries.

That's when they can mount a crippling insurgency and bleed the resources and will to fight. However if you give them the Grozny treatment they would likely pass as a footnote in history.

^^^Completely cosign, the majority are too lazy or cowardly to fight for their own homeland. Now you know why so many are ditching their countries for western ones.

I mean look how fast the Iraqi army fell first and second time around with America, six day war, the list goes one.

EC is right, they're arrogant, overestimate themselves, good at killing innocents/hostage taking, and guerrilla warfare.

Quote: (11-14-2015 12:05 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Quote: (11-13-2015 10:55 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

No SJWs are going to be beheading neomasculine heroes and miscers in front of the 7-11, not soon, not ever.

Of course, not. It'd be plausible-deniability mob violence rather than direct. The thing to watch for will be an incident where a mob was responsible, and no-one involved could say who or what escalated the situation into the riot state.

As a follow up to this, I was catching up on the Australian News today. Back in Oz, the Muslims are looking to build a mosque in Melton, in Melbourne. Both pro and anti-diversity protests are scheduled for Sunday.

About 18 months ago, I predicted that the SJW mindset was based on Symbolism, Emotionalism and Irrationalism, and the end result of this would be a transition by them into Open Fascism, which we're currently-seeing. Following on from that, I predicted their belief in their own righteousness, combined with their own violent power fantasies and their inability to recognise their ideological opponents as human would result in them enacting physical violence upon those who disagree with them.

I've been seeing the signs increasing: we saw mobs forming to pursue Roosh in Toronto, and the recent violent threats against the NPI Conference members.

Seeing this progression, I found the article interesting, considering the Police Assessment of the Situation:

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Protesters are being warned not to go to rival rallies over a proposed mosque in Melbourne, with police fearing violence in the wake of the Paris terrorist attacks.

The right-wing Reclaim Australia group will rally on Sunday to oppose the construction of a mosque in Melton, and left-wing pro-diversity protesters plan a rival rally on the same day.

Rival protests in recent months in Melbourne and Bendigo ended in violence.

"We're concerned about the extreme views," Assistant Commissioner Stephen Leane told 3AW on Friday.

"Both the pro and anti groups, there's some amongst them that are quite prepared to resort to violence to quell the views off [sic] others."

Comm Leane says people are still coming to terms with the violence in France last weekend.

"I think the atmosphere that I can feel in the community is that there is a bit of grieving but there's also a bit of fear, and people are not sure what happened in Paris actually means for them," he said.

"I'd suggest that this weekend's probably not the weekend to come to Melbourne if you're not sure."

I can't remember the last time I saw a media reference to Leftists being considered a physically-violent threat. The Seventies?

Interesting times.

Quote: (11-20-2015 06:33 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Quote: (11-20-2015 06:12 PM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  

Quote: (11-20-2015 02:24 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

...but I wonder how a lot of Muslim's faith would be affected if Mecca was destroyed.

If any non-muslim power would be responsible for it, that´s an easy question to answer, World War III.
Without a doubt.

It wouldn't be world war 3 because the arab world isn't exactly filled with competent military leaders or fighters these days either. The current generation of arab "warriors" if you can call them that are good at shooting innocent people, terror against innocents, and ratfucking people behind their back.
... Those would not stand a chance against modern day warfare though.

In a real total war type scenario the middle east would get rolled fast. Conventional armies would smash the fuck out of whatever shit armies riding around in toyota technicals and hiding in holes.

The problem is when the western world tries to "win hearts and minds" and play the good guvnor of the people in those shithole countries.

That's when they can mount a crippling insurgency and bleed the resources and will to fight. However if you give them the Grozny treatment they would likely pass as a footnote in history.

A conventional war wouldn't last a month. However World War III would be totally different when the opening salvo was comprised of dozens of dirty bombs fired all across Western countries (incl. China and Russia) and then subsequently started with a massive civil uprising of the Muslim population already living in the US, Canada, EU, Russia, China, SEA etc.

That way it would look as if they are winning with hundreds of millions of dead. If the Western powers would attempt to be civil, then it would be even more desastrous in the beginning. Of course - the kickback as the entire world mobilizes against them would be brutal. Such a war might end actually in the death of most Muslims and the destruction of almost all countries.

Personally I think it's a big setup, but if you look at it - more terrorist attacks, West similiarly financing and promoting radical Wahhabism while at home preaching that Islam is all about peace, inviting millions of young men into economically weak Western countries and condemning most to unemployment and a life in ghettos - that's all a deliberate recipe for disaster - no one is that stupid. Now China has announced that it wants to join the Syrian conflict and combat ISIS together with Russia.

And the worst part is that I don't see a way out of it. The most "positive" scenario is a complete Orwellian Police state with robocops patrolling the cities and a chipped population. The other more likely option is WWIII (and a chipped population afterwards - heh).

No way in living hell will the elite allow Europe to become Muslim and then turn 200 million soldiers and modern weaponry against Israel or whatever they think they have do later on. This is absolutely utterly impossible - that will never ever happen.

Fuck that - I will be long gone before that shit hits the fan. If I work hard, I might be rich enough to buy an Island and friends are free to join me there. Let them fight their wars. It's one giant scam anyway. We could all live in peace and in prosperity (in our own individual countries with different cultures and heritage), but that's not what the top wants.

Can anyone name a successful totalitarian state which has lasted to this day except for China? Hell, even they have their own problems.

The answer is not a police state but it will come to that because it has all the hallmarks of one. Europe still invites millions into its borders, crime and violence increases as does poverty. The gap widens, the middle ground becomes muddled and whats left is a lot of angry, down-beaten people who see each other as enemies, not neighbours who understand each others religion or ethnicity.

If Europe is a body and this cultural suicide is cancer the chemo needs to come fast otherwise surgery will be removing parts of it.

Canadian retard, I mean trade minister, Chrystia Freeland is on the Bill Maher show and is getting her ass torn left and right. Say what you want about Bill Maher, he is not a fan of religion and in particular Islam. What is annoying and sad is the audience that is cheering for her comments.The show is filmed in Los Angeles. These idiots go around feeling good about themselves for dumb beliefs and do not understand that love and not giving them their anger does not stop shards of shrapnel and bullets. Looking forward to getting out of here.

^^ it blows my mind Bill Maher can see the objective reality of Islam, but it never crosses his mind why his democrat party tries to import as many of them as possible, or that his LGBT agenda can only exist in white Christian countries. just doesn't cross his mind apparently. He votes for mandatory 'diversity' then complains when muslims begin settlement in his country and can't quite figure out why. Yet he continues to make fun of white men like we're the cancer on society.

Quote: (11-20-2015 09:28 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Can anyone name a successful totalitarian state which has lasted to this day except for China? Hell, even they have their own problems.

The answer is not a police state but it will come to that because it has all the hallmarks of one.

Whether China is a totalitarian state, is disputable. A single-party nation, yes, and nationalistic - which is fine, but I wouldn't say totalitarian.. there's no "widespread use of terror" in China, for example, and foreigners as well as local people can engage in private business... Living in China, it's not living in Orwell world.. Actually, living in the West feels much more like living in George Orwell's world, nowadays

One other thing about your post, I don't understand the following : 'The answer is not a police state but it will come to that because it has all the hallmarks of one. ' What does it mean? The answer has all the hallmarks of a police state? France has all the hallmarks of a police state?

So Brussels is on alert now? Credible terrorist threats every week are going to become the norm in Europe.

Quote: (11-20-2015 02:24 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Quote: (11-20-2015 03:28 AM)Latinopan Wrote:  

Former presidential candidate sparks outrage by posting unedited picture of bloodied corpses in Paris on Facebook

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ebook.html

Tom Tancredo doesn’t fuck around, he said this back in 2007:

Tancredo: Threaten to bomb Muslim holy sites in retaliation

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WASHINGTON (CNN) - Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo's campaign stood by his assertion that bombing holy Muslim sites would serve as a good "deterrent" to prevent Islamic fundamentalists from attacking the United States, his spokeswoman said Friday.

"This shows that we mean business," said Bay Buchanan, a senior Tancredo adviser. "There's no more effective deterrent than that. But he is open-minded and willing to embrace other options. This is just a means to deter them from attacking us."

On Tuesday, Tancredo warned a group of Iowans that another terrorist attack would "cause a worldwide economic collapse." IowaPolitics.com recorded his comments.

"If it is up to me, we are going to explain that an attack on this homeland of that nature would be followed by an attack on the holy sites in Mecca and Medina," Tancredo said. "That is the only thing I can think of that might deter somebody from doing what they would otherwise do. If I am wrong, fine, tell me, and I would be happy to do something else. But you had better find a deterrent, or you will find an attack."

Tom Casey, a deputy spokesman for the State Department, told CNN's Elise Labott that the congressman’s comments were "reprehensible" and "absolutely crazy." Tancredo was widely criticized in 2005 for making a similar suggestion.

A long time ago I had a conversation with a Pakistani guy, and he claimed that Mecca will never be attacked because it's "protected by God". I can't see it ever happening, but I wonder how a lot of Muslim's faith would be affected if Mecca was destroyed.

The same thing what happened to post-Babylon Judaism after the Roman destruction of the temple, foretold by Jesus Christ.

How would non-practicing Roman Catholics react if St. Peter's Square was destroyed by the Jihad, which Daesh plans to do?

Quote: (11-21-2015 02:09 AM)Mike5055 Wrote:  

So Brussels is on alert now? Credible terrorist threats every week are going to become the norm in Europe.

Yes.
The metro is closed, football games and concerts are cancelled and the people are being told to avoid public transport, shopping streets and other places where a lot of people gather.
Yesterday the main market square (grand place) was closed and the police was searching for explosives there.
Thursday night the university campuses were evacuated.

And still our politicians, academics and media keep on spouting the bullshit that "this is not about islam" and "tolerance and diversity is the greatest threat to these terrorists".

Islam needs to be contained.
It has been and always been a violent force.
As we speak, there are violent conflicts around tge world, from Philipines to Mali, from middle east to southern Europe, even places like western china and Kashmir.
Look on history of their invasion throughout the midle east, going after Persia, Byzantine, Spain, parts of Greece. These great civilizations all fell to Muslim hands. Even Going after Christians in north Africa. The only place in the world they havent spread by force is probably the America's, which weren't discovered until late.
The refugees should be going to the Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia and UAE. They arr rich countries too, but are afraid of taking Muslims, so we are thr brave ones now.

The coloniser has become the colonised.

Quote: (11-21-2015 12:16 AM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Canadian retard, I mean trade minister, Chrystia Freeland....

Quote: (11-20-2015 08:19 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Quote: (11-20-2015 06:33 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Quote: (11-20-2015 06:12 PM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  

Quote: (11-20-2015 02:24 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

...but I wonder how a lot of Muslim's faith would be affected if Mecca was destroyed.

If any non-muslim power would be responsible for it, that´s an easy question to answer, World War III.
Without a doubt.

It wouldn't be world war 3 because the arab world isn't exactly filled with competent military leaders or fighters these days either. The current generation of arab "warriors" if you can call them that are good at shooting innocent people, terror against innocents, and ratfucking people behind their back.
... Those would not stand a chance against modern day warfare though.

In a real total war type scenario the middle east would get rolled fast. Conventional armies would smash the fuck out of whatever shit armies riding around in toyota technicals and hiding in holes.

The problem is when the western world tries to "win hearts and minds" and play the good guvnor of the people in those shithole countries.

That's when they can mount a crippling insurgency and bleed the resources and will to fight. However if you give them the Grozny treatment they would likely pass as a footnote in history.

A conventional war wouldn't last a month. However World War III would be totally different when the opening salvo was comprised of dozens of dirty bombs fired all across Western countries (incl. China and Russia) and then subsequently started with a massive civil uprising of the Muslim population already living in the US, Canada, EU, Russia, China, SEA etc.

That way it would look as if they are winning with hundreds of millions of dead. If the Western powers would attempt to be civil, then it would be even more desastrous in the beginning. Of course - the kickback as the entire world mobilizes against them would be brutal. Such a war might end actually in the death of most Muslims and the destruction of almost all countries.

Personally I think it's a big setup, but if you look at it - more terrorist attacks, West similiarly financing and promoting radical Wahhabism while at home preaching that Islam is all about peace, inviting millions of young men into economically weak Western countries and condemning most to unemployment and a life in ghettos - that's all a deliberate recipe for disaster - no one is that stupid. Now China has announced that it wants to join the Syrian conflict and combat ISIS together with Russia.

And the worst part is that I don't see a way out of it. The most "positive" scenario is a complete Orwellian Police state with robocops patrolling the cities and a chipped population. The other more likely option is WWIII (and a chipped population afterwards - heh).

No way in living hell will the elite allow Europe to become Muslim and then turn 200 million soldiers and modern weaponry against Israel or whatever they think they have do later on. This is absolutely utterly impossible - that will never ever happen.

Fuck that - I will be long gone before that shit hits the fan. If I work hard, I might be rich enough to buy an Island and friends are free to join me there. Let them fight their wars. It's one giant scam anyway. We could all live in peace and in prosperity (in our own individual countries with different cultures and heritage), but that's not what the top wants.

Do you think that every day normal guys who see through all of this now are at danger in such a post-war society?

I mean, lots of us are probably on some kind of watch-list already due to our internet search history, forum postings etc. but in our current society we can't be touched for free thought yet.

If your scenario came true however, I think there could be a good reason to silence us completely.
Once they control books and the internet like they control the media already the only thing standing between them completely rewriting history, in whichever way they see fit are actual, living people who could pass down knowledge dangerous to their new official version.


I know it sounds paranoid, and I'm not even sure I believe it myself, but judging from where we came from and where we've arrived already it seems foolish to NOT consider it.

Then again, maybe I'm taking myself too important. Maybe they don't give a fuck, even in a post-war society, because, well, what are you gonna do?

I don't know.

Hope I'm not derailing the thread too much.

Quote: (11-21-2015 12:41 AM)Direct or subtle Wrote:  

Quote: (11-20-2015 09:28 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Can anyone name a successful totalitarian state which has lasted to this day except for China? Hell, even they have their own problems.

The answer is not a police state but it will come to that because it has all the hallmarks of one.

Whether China is a totalitarian state, is disputable. A single-party nation, yes, and nationalistic - which is fine, but I wouldn't say totalitarian.. there's no "widespread use of terror" in China, for example, and foreigners as well as local people can engage in private business... Living in China, it's not living in Orwell world.. Actually, living in the West feels much more like living in George Orwell's world, nowadays

One other thing about your post, I don't understand the following : 'The answer is not a police state but it will come to that because it has all the hallmarks of one. ' What does it mean? The answer has all the hallmarks of a police state? France has all the hallmarks of a police state?

I was referring to the police state in reference to 'it'. Regardless of country.

I wouldn't say the West is worse than China when they routinely cover up disasters and allow those with money to carry on committing crimes until they fall out of favour with the regime.

Regardless of our own failures and crimes I just don't see them matching up to China.

There are countries that are sympathetic to ISIS and those that are not ..as ISIS has stated repeately that it will wage war against non ISIS supported countries.the only response is to attack pro ISIS strongholds ..there will be collateral damage , but this group needs to understand that every time they attack the west and kill 170 people ,.then we will mini nuke a city and take 10000 ,these animals only understand rule by the sword ...so lets give them this ..Liberal views of targetting key personnel whilst trying not to cause civilian collateral damage do not work against groups that hide among the general population..and attack innocent unarmed people, you live by the sword ..you die by it too

Everyone in this thread needs to pick up a copy of Civilization: The West and the Rest by Niall Ferguson. Islamic territories haven't been a super power since the Ottoman Empire. Yet every civilization, western or otherwise, has imploded from inside. It appears that The Rest are bound to take control. The Fate of Empires by Sir John Glubb is also a necessary read for those interested.

To summarize both readings for those uninterested, super powers are cyclical. They last an average of 10 generations or 250 years. The current super power is America, which is in its tenth generation, and the previous is Britain, which controlled around 25% of the planet at its peak. The last time there was a non-western superpower was the Ottomans, and like always, they imploded. They became arrogant and allowed western technology to surpass them.

The West is currently imploding. We have become arrogant and ignorant. By welcoming t̶e̶r̶r̶o̶r̶i̶s̶t̶s̶ refugees, we are hastening our own demise. The sweet irony is that we fail to grasp the concept of history repeating itself.

Edit: I went on facebook for the first time in two months and unfriended everyone who imposed the French flag on their profile picture. I suggest others to do the same.

Quote: (11-21-2015 07:52 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Quote: (11-21-2015 12:41 AM)Direct or subtle Wrote:  

Quote: (11-20-2015 09:28 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Can anyone name a successful totalitarian state which has lasted to this day except for China? Hell, even they have their own problems.

The answer is not a police state but it will come to that because it has all the hallmarks of one.

Whether China is a totalitarian state, is disputable. A single-party nation, yes, and nationalistic - which is fine, but I wouldn't say totalitarian.. there's no "widespread use of terror" in China, for example, and foreigners as well as local people can engage in private business... Living in China, it's not living in Orwell world.. Actually, living in the West feels much more like living in George Orwell's world, nowadays

One other thing about your post, I don't understand the following : 'The answer is not a police state but it will come to that because it has all the hallmarks of one. ' What does it mean? The answer has all the hallmarks of a police state? France has all the hallmarks of a police state?

I was referring to the police state in reference to 'it'. Regardless of country.

I wouldn't say the West is worse than China when they routinely cover up disasters and allow those with money to carry on committing crimes until they fall out of favour with the regime.

Regardless of our own failures and crimes I just don't see them matching up to China.

I was referring to the police state in reference to 'it'. Regardless of country. :

So your statement ( 'The answer is not a police state but it will come to that because it has all the hallmarks of one') means : "The answer is not a police state but it will come to that because police state has all the hallmarks of one (police state). "... I still don't get it, but, never mind..

About China, what you're saying about their "elites" and government, totally applies to our, western ones, too :

"they routinely cover up disasters and allow those with money to carry on committing crimes until they fall out of favor with the regime."

this can be said of most Western governments nowadays..

For example, the current migrants invasion is a disaster that they cover up routinely and fiercely, letting in FSBTTs (false-Syrians-but-true-terrorists) is a disaster that they cover up routinely and fiercely, pushing their childless feminist agenda is a disaster that they cover up routinely and fiercely, etc..

Also, those with money, the Western elites, carry on committing crimes (especially economics crimes, or paedos crimes, see the pedophile scandals in British high-society denounced by MP Geoffrey Dickens) - until they fall out of favor with the regime (when some accident happens). We're talking about Paris, so,.. take the example of French presidential-candidate DSK and his pimp, Dede la saumure.. they were accused of multiple embezzlement over decades, plus their systematic, violent whoring (pay-for-play with threats and government money), and were protected for decades..

Brussels is currently a city under siege.
All monuments, museums, concert halls and night clubs are closed, as well as a lot of shops, bars and restaurants.
The streets are full of soldiers with snipers guarding the main square.
There are even armored vehicles stationed at the main square and the central train station.

Quote: (11-18-2015 06:33 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Quote: (11-18-2015 05:32 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

^ We covered that topic in the migrant thread. There's no real reason why the US and Russia can't cooperate. The problem is US foreign policy is dictated in large part by Russophobic Jews.

The Jewish lobby is fairly predictable in this regard. They will shit on eastern europe and play divide and conquer in that region as much as possible. The whole baltics affair in the past and recent Ukraine issue is an example of sticking noses where it doesn't belong.

They will also fuck with parts of NE Asia and SE Asia too because they want an eastern front against Russia. Policy chickenhawks always claim North Korea is the reason for the U.S. military presence in asia but actually and quite obviously it's because of China and Russia.

The Jewish lobby has always been trying to put U.S. military installations in India, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka for the longest time too. The reason why is that geopolitical influence on the subcontinent and the various nearby central asian -stan countries puts pressure on Russia too.

NONSENSE- -just look at the utter contempt Obama has heaped on Israel's Netanyahu. And further proof is the "Iraq Deal," which makes the Shi'ite nukes an eventual certainty.

If the Jooze Lobby has any "control" over US foreign policy, it would have blocked both of these. In fact, it has done neither.

(These are called falsifying facts of the proposition.)

Quote: (11-21-2015 04:20 AM)PhDre Wrote:  

Quote: (11-21-2015 02:09 AM)Mike5055 Wrote:  

So Brussels is on alert now? Credible terrorist threats every week are going to become the norm in Europe.

Yes.
The metro is closed, football games and concerts are cancelled and the people are being told to avoid public transport, shopping streets and other places where a lot of people gather.
Yesterday the main market square (grand place) was closed and the police was searching for explosives there.
Thursday night the university campuses were evacuated.

And still our politicians, academics and media keep on spouting the bullshit that "this is not about islam" and "tolerance and diversity is the greatest threat to these terrorists".

Zerohedge has lots of LINKS and photos, stating

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The reason for the dramatic escalation is that chemicals and explosives were among the items found in the during a police raid on Vandepeerboom Street area in the immigrant neighborhood of Molenbeek, a rundown area where Paris attacker Abdelhamid Abaaoud was suspected of operating a terrorist cell.

And therefore the high possibility of another Paris-style ISIS attack in Brussels.

But I haven't been able to find this claim verified at the links. Perhaps someone else cares to parse the stories?

Or were the bomb and chem caches indicated by documents, texts, or interviews?