[nomadbrah]

(11-21-2015 10:20 AM)wi30 Wrote:  

Everyone in this thread needs to pick up a copy of Civilization: The West and the Rest by Niall Ferguson. Islamic territories haven't been a super power since the Ottoman Empire. Yet every civilization, western or otherwise, has imploded from inside. It appears that The Rest are bound to take control. The Fate of Empires by Sir John Glubb is also a necessary read for those interested.

To summarize both readings for those uninterested, super powers are cyclical. They last an average of 10 generations or 250 years. The current super power is America, which is in its tenth generation, and the previous is Britain, which controlled around 25% of the planet at its peak. The last time there was a non-western superpower was the Ottomans, and like always, they imploded. They became arrogant and allowed western technology to surpass them.

The West is currently imploding. We have become arrogant and ignorant. By welcoming t̶e̶r̶r̶o̶r̶i̶s̶t̶s̶ refugees, we are hastening our own demise. The sweet irony is that we fail to grasp the concept of history repeating itself.

Edit: I went on facebook for the first time in two months and unfriended everyone who imposed the French flag on their profile picture. I suggest others to do the same.

Studying history is not exciting for most people and I honestly don't blame them. I hated reading about history until a few years ago. That's because I, like most of my generation, grew up with boomer marxist teachers who taught us nothing and reduced Vikings to farmers, the founding of America to genocide, the Nazis to xenophobia and so on.

What passes as the history of the world since 1968 is in my opinion a lie. The knowledge of historical events that the average person has is little more than myth and worse, the average person has zero understanding of the real influences that shape progress and decline of civilizations.

How could you even aquire such a knowledge when everyone since the boomers have been brought up to believe they are a special snowflake? It would sadden people so if they realize they are barely aware, barely aware of the complete predictability of their thougts and life aspirations. All of us are pretty much exactly the same as those who lived 500,1000,10000 years ago.

Human life is fairly short and at the time you truly begin to understand yourself and your place in the world AND have the means to impact the world, then you're closer to death than birth. That's also why elites don't send their kids to crappy public schools and why they impart a great sense of responsibility and strict social customs. This is because elites realize the short duration of a single human life. Making it big in one generation is generally a pipe dream. And if you make it big, statistics say most second generations fuck it up and third generations definitely fuck it up.

You need to have a solid and deep set understanding of your fleeting presence in the physical world, but also a deep understanding of the lasting presence through you descendants. If you remove this understanding from people, as cultural-marxists, hedonists and boomers have done, then society will as you say implode in a few generations.

It's the contract with our ancestors and descendants that drives the world forward. Ancestral worship was always the original religion and for good reason. Near where my parents live there is an oak that is hundreds of years old. Oak is a very slow growing tree, it takes decades to reach any serious size, but when it reaches full size it is an impressive tree. Someone hundreds of years ago planted that tree so that descendants would enjoy it, not themselves. Contrary to that, when welfare states plant trees today in parks it is usually always birk which is a fast growing tree but never becomes an impressive tree. It really shows how the West has lost its way and its connection to past ancestors and future descendants.

[Orson]

(11-20-2015 02:48 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 01:09 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 01:45 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

I found something you guys might be interested in. Looks like ISIS has an "online magazine" which has surprisingly good production values. No question these guys have powerful patrons.

You can find all eleven issues of their magazine, called "Dabiq" through this link here:

http://jihadology.net/2015/09/09/al-%E1%...-dabiq-11/

Amazing what you can do with CIA and Mossad money.

I'm afraid to click on that link. Might trigger the DHS to start monitoring me. It's pretty much a sure bet that the government is watching anyone within US borders that clicks on any jihadist-related links.

Come on, it's not like they need a reason to start tracking you in the first place.

I think it MUCH more likely to simply be "logged" by a computer somewhere, (either British or US spook-ware, as per Snowden's revelations). Especially in the current environment of heightened terror activity, it would be a hideous waste of personnel for anything else.

FACTORS increasing prob of tracking? Travel to Middle East, known associations on active lists, dark-net activity, suspicious blogs or chatrooms, etc.

This might be fun to game out - or crowd source here - create a check list or higher suspicious activity versus low.

[Orson]

(11-20-2015 09:28 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Can anyone name a successful totalitarian state which has lasted to this day except for China? Hell, even they have their own problems.

The answer is not a police state but it will come to that because it has all the hallmarks of one. Europe still invites millions into its borders, crime and violence increases as does poverty. The gap widens, the middle ground becomes muddled and whats left is a lot of angry, down-beaten people who see each other as enemies, not neighbours who understand each others religion or ethnicity.

If Europe is a body and this cultural suicide is cancer the chemo needs to come fast otherwise surgery will be removing parts of it.

The useful breakdown of post-Communist government I read in the IR lit goes like this: Central Europe=liberal capitalist. Russia=crony capitalist. And China=authoritarian.

I believe Belo Russia is too? (Or crony...? Help me out, friends...)

Vietnam, it is said, is to the right of New York City! And Cuba? I'd still call it Communist. Until the Castro family is deposed, I don't think calling it a "family mob of crony capitalists" (Fidel is judged a billionaire), is useful. If people aren't trading any assets, how can there be any "price?" And capitalism requires trades and prices to be capitalism.

[Latinopan]

UK Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer: Disband MI5 and Disarm Police Squads

UK Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer: Disband MI5 and Disarm Police Squads
By Robert Farago on November 20, 2015

UK Shadow Exchequer John McDonnell reckons the UK should get rid of its secret service (toodle pip, Mr. Bond) and disarm The Land of Hope and Glory’s armed police squads. He signed a paper calling for the end of MI5 and removal of firearms from police squads drafted by the Socialist Campaign For a Labour Victory. Or did he? In the wake of the ensuing furore, the SCLV says McDonnell only blessed their “general principles.” Yes well, look at this . . .



That’s Jimbo cheerfully brandishing the Socialists’ manifesto calling for MI5’s demise and disarmed cops. So I guess the Labour politico – the man who would oversee the UK government’s finances – didn’t read the document in his hand hands before he signed the basic manifesto. (Maybe he had to sign it to know what was in it.) Meanwhile . . .

Mr McDonnell’s support for disbanding the police came as [UK Prime Minister] David Cameron criticised Labour’s leader Mr Corbyn for his criticism of the shoot-to-kill policy.

He said: “Has it not come to something when the Leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition is not sure what the police’s reaction should be when they are confronted by a Kalashnikov-waving terrorist?”

I wonder what he reckons a disarmed British subject’s reaction should be?

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UK disarming special forces and ending MI5 after an attack

[philosophical_recovery]

(11-21-2015 01:18 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  

UK Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer: Disband MI5 and Disarm Police Squads

UK Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer: Disband MI5 and Disarm Police Squads
By Robert Farago on November 20, 2015

UK Shadow Exchequer John McDonnell reckons the UK should get rid of its secret service (toodle pip, Mr. Bond) and disarm The Land of Hope and Glory’s armed police squads. He signed a paper calling for the end of MI5 and removal of firearms from police squads drafted by the Socialist Campaign For a Labour Victory. Or did he? In the wake of the ensuing furore, the SCLV says McDonnell only blessed their “general principles.” Yes well, look at this . . .



That’s Jimbo cheerfully brandishing the Socialists’ manifesto calling for MI5’s demise and disarmed cops. So I guess the Labour politico – the man who would oversee the UK government’s finances – didn’t read the document in his hand hands before he signed the basic manifesto. (Maybe he had to sign it to know what was in it.) Meanwhile . . .

Mr McDonnell’s support for disbanding the police came as [UK Prime Minister] David Cameron criticised Labour’s leader Mr Corbyn for his criticism of the shoot-to-kill policy.

He said: “Has it not come to something when the Leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition is not sure what the police’s reaction should be when they are confronted by a Kalashnikov-waving terrorist?”

I wonder what he reckons a disarmed British subject’s reaction should be?

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UK disarming special forces and ending MI5 after an attack

[Direct or subtle]

France has just taken a step towards disarming.. French normal, honest, worried people..

A law has just been passed, to prevent people with no criminal knowledge or links to underworld, or hunters, from getting serious weapons :

I explain : Most normal people, if they want a weapon, they'd buy 2 weapons that have been demilitarized (neutralized) in 2 different European countries, and then re-assemble them. Now, this will be impossible, because European States will use the same techniques for neutralizing weapons..

I mean, criminals never used this pain-in-the-neck technique, criminals just got their weapons from Sarajevo gangs.. only regular people and hunters used this technique.. anyway, now it'll become impossible for concerned citizens to get weapons.

But more worryingly, the new French "Etat d'Urgence" law allows the State to confiscate weapons that you have legally acquired and keep at home!

[Foolsgo1d]

(11-21-2015 10:28 AM)Direct or subtle Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 07:52 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 12:41 AM)Direct or subtle Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 09:28 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Can anyone name a successful totalitarian state which has lasted to this day except for China? Hell, even they have their own problems.

The answer is not a police state but it will come to that because it has all the hallmarks of one.

Whether China is a totalitarian state, is disputable. A single-party nation, yes, and nationalistic - which is fine, but I wouldn't say totalitarian.. there's no "widespread use of terror" in China, for example, and foreigners as well as local people can engage in private business... Living in China, it's not living in Orwell world.. Actually, living in the West feels much more like living in George Orwell's world, nowadays

One other thing about your post, I don't understand the following : 'The answer is not a police state but it will come to that because it has all the hallmarks of one. ' What does it mean? The answer has all the hallmarks of a police state? France has all the hallmarks of a police state?

I was referring to the police state in reference to 'it'. Regardless of country.

I wouldn't say the West is worse than China when they routinely cover up disasters and allow those with money to carry on committing crimes until they fall out of favour with the regime.

Regardless of our own failures and crimes I just don't see them matching up to China.

I was referring to the police state in reference to 'it'. Regardless of country. :

So your statement ( 'The answer is not a police state but it will come to that because it has all the hallmarks of one') means : "The answer is not a police state but it will come to that because police state has all the hallmarks of one (police state). "... I still don't get it, but, never mind..

About China, what you're saying about their "elites" and government, totally applies to our, western ones, too :

"they routinely cover up disasters and allow those with money to carry on committing crimes until they fall out of favor with the regime."

this can be said of most Western governments nowadays..

For example, the current migrants invasion is a disaster that they cover up routinely and fiercely, letting in FSBTTs (false-Syrians-but-true-terrorists) is a disaster that they cover up routinely and fiercely, pushing their childless feminist agenda is a disaster that they cover up routinely and fiercely, etc..

Also, those with money, the Western elites, carry on committing crimes (especially economics crimes, or paedos crimes, see the pedophile scandals in British high-society denounced by MP Geoffrey Dickens) - until they fall out of favor with the regime (when some accident happens). We're talking about Paris, so,.. take the example of French presidential-candidate DSK and his pimp, Dede la saumure.. they were accused of multiple embezzlement over decades, plus their systematic, violent whoring (pay-for-play with threats and government money), and were protected for decades..

With disasters I was referring to train crashes and ferry sinkings. Not the CIA funded Al'Quaeda and IS monstrosities.

The police state will come about because the government will demand it and the people will go along with it. This is not the answer but it will come anyway because "reasons for your safety".

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear comes to mind. We must have surveilance on every street corner! Its to make you safe!

We must take weapons out of your hands, its to make you safe!

What these ideals fail to register is that bad people don't really give a shit about these rules. Every totalitarian authority in history could not stop its enemies completely but the normal people suffered.

This is my point. I can't really explain it better.

[speakeasy]

(11-20-2015 12:14 PM)72 and sunny Wrote:  

"She was hardly a model Muslim before she became an ISIS suicide bomber — drinking booze, hanging out with drug dealers and posing for naked photos in a bubble bath.

Before-and-after photos of Paris terrorist Hasna Aitboulahcen, 26, show her radical transformation from a hard-partying clubgoer nicknamed “Cowgirl” into a violent Muslim extremist.

In one picture she is seen soaking nude in a tub, covered by only a necklace and bubbles.



Another shows her lounging in a tank top wearing heavy makeup while pouting at the camera.



Her brother, Youssouf Aitboulahcen, said his estranged sister preferred the Internet to Islam — and first put on a veil just a month ago.

“She was living in her own world. She was not interested in studying her religion. I never saw her open the Koran. She was permanently on her phone, looking at Facebook or WhatsApp,” Youssouf Aitboulahcen told DailyMail.com.

When a cop yelled out, “Where’s your boyfriend?” she answered, “He’s not my boyfriend!” according to a recording that also captured the sound of roaring gunfire.

Aitboulahcen then emptied the magazine of a Kalashnikov assault rifle before blowing herself up and becoming Europe’s first female suicide bomber.

The explosive vest she triggered killed a police dog named Diesel and ripped her to shreds, sending her head and spine hurtling out a window.

“After a long firefight, we heard a loud explosion,” French police chief Jean-Michel Fauvergue told the Daily Mirror.

“The windows of an apartment were shattered, blown from inside to out . . . That’s when we saw a human body, a woman’s head, fly through the window and land on the pavement — on the other side of the street.”

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Damn, that's some next level attention whoring.

Suicide vest selfie before head-flying-off impact.

This is something we have to factor in when we hear about all the "moderate Muslims" in these countries. How many "moderate" Muslims could turn into extreme Muslims overnight? People tend to think that if a Muslim is moderate today, they can't possibly be a threat tomorrow. But things like this show how fragile the line is. It's kinda like here where all it takes is one police shooting before an entire ghetto erupts into a Ferguson overnight.

[iknowexactly]

(11-21-2015 10:20 AM)wi30 Wrote:  

Edit: I went on facebook for the first time in two months and unfriended everyone who imposed the French flag on their profile picture. I suggest others to do the same.

I don't get it--if you're supporting France aren't you against the assholes who are terrorizing them?

[Direct or subtle]

(11-21-2015 07:09 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

"they routinely cover up disasters .."

With disasters I was referring to train crashes and ferry sinkings.

Actually, Western States also cover up disasters like train crashes :

Same day of Paris attacks, we had the first-ever high-speed train lethal accident, with 10 dead... The French train company (SNCF) rejected any technical failure, before government intervened and the matter disappeared from all media..

And I'd like to remind you of the Bretigny terrorist attack against a French train, which was branded by media and government, an "accident"

"According to (gay-activist ) G. Pepy, the SNCF president, the fishplate broke away from the rails and became lodged in the middle of the switch , causing the derailment."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%C3%A9ti...rain_crash

It actually had become a kind of joke in France, the government story of this "flying" steel rod (fishplate) landing by itself and vertically, stuck right in the middle of the switch.. sure, it was an accident... Bretigny being a hotbed of islamism was a coincidence...

[wi30]

IKE, I'm against people using a tragic massacre to attention whore on the internet. All the "love" and "prayers" aren't bringing those victims back. As others have said, France doesn't need solidarity or candlelit vigils. They need a set of testicles to win back their country.

Please tell me how imposing a flag (French, rainbow, or otherwise) on your profile picture is doing anything constructive in the real world? All it does is shout, "Look at me! I'm totes progressive and support (insert latest thing)." People who truly make a difference in the world don't post about it on the internet.

Also note every single person who imposed the flag on their profile is a left leaning pussy who wears pink in October, supports Hitlery or Bernie, and defends feminism. Coincidence?

[spokepoker]

(11-21-2015 06:20 PM)Direct or subtle Wrote:  

France has just taken a step towards disarming.. French normal, honest, worried people..

A law has just been passed, to prevent people with no criminal knowledge or links to underworld, or hunters, from getting serious weapons :

I explain : Most normal people, if they want a weapon, they'd buy 2 weapons that have been demilitarized (neutralized) in 2 different European countries, and then re-assemble them. Now, this will be impossible, because European States will use the same techniques for neutralizing weapons..

I mean, criminals never used this pain-in-the-neck technique, criminals just got their weapons from Sarajevo gangs.. only regular people and hunters used this technique.. anyway, now it'll become impossible for concerned citizens to get weapons.

But more worryingly, the new French "Etat d'Urgence" law allows the State to confiscate weapons that you have legally acquired and keep at home!

Is there an english article that talks about this? Or something in French I can run through google translate?

(11-21-2015 09:12 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

This is something we have to factor in when we hear about all the "moderate Muslims" in these countries. How many "moderate" Muslims could turn into extreme Muslims overnight? People tend to think that if a Muslim is moderate today, they can't possibly be a threat tomorrow. But things like this show how fragile the line is. It's kinda like here where all it takes is one police shooting before an entire ghetto erupts into a Ferguson overnight.

They're all moderate Muslims until they aren't. Shit it only took that facebook/instagram/twitter loving girl a month or so to trade in her iphone6s for a suicide vest.

[Parzival]

New in Germany report, she did not blow up herself, there was an other guy in the room that had the suicide vest.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Video by David Wood on the Paris terrorist attack and the backing by Quran. He has probably studied the Quran more than the majority of Muslim clerics. He debunks a lot of the quotes that unaware people are using to justify one thing or another.

To be fair - most people don't study the Quran in depth and they are bound to project their own values onto a religion or book that has actually the opposite values in them. Thus the strange dichotomy of values, because I am sure that most Muslims would gladly live in peace in a modern secular society (probably if someone above suppresses the radical elements and keeps it secular, but still it would have the same effect of them being happier living in such a system than in for example Saudi Arabia):

[N°6]

(11-21-2015 12:02 PM)Orson Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 06:33 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 05:32 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

^ We covered that topic in the migrant thread. There's no real reason why the US and Russia can't cooperate. The problem is US foreign policy is dictated in large part by Russophobic Jews.

The Jewish lobby is fairly predictable in this regard. They will shit on eastern europe and play divide and conquer in that region as much as possible. The whole baltics affair in the past and recent Ukraine issue is an example of sticking noses where it doesn't belong.

They will also fuck with parts of NE Asia and SE Asia too because they want an eastern front against Russia. Policy chickenhawks always claim North Korea is the reason for the U.S. military presence in asia but actually and quite obviously it's because of China and Russia.

The Jewish lobby has always been trying to put U.S. military installations in India, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka for the longest time too. The reason why is that geopolitical influence on the subcontinent and the various nearby central asian -stan countries puts pressure on Russia too.

NONSENSE- -just look at the utter contempt Obama has heaped on Israel's Netanyahu. And further proof is the "Iraq Deal," which makes the Shi'ite nukes an eventual certainty.

If the Jooze Lobby has any "control" over US foreign policy, it would have blocked both of these. In fact, it has done neither.

(These are called falsifying facts of the proposition.)

During an interview, Netanyahu boasted that Israel in recent decades has received FIVE CENTURIES worth of aid from the US.

What a great investment it has been to enter Zionist footnotes into the Schofield Reference Bible in the 19th Century which many US Protestants read.

Will try and find the video.

[Lime]

I just wonder how many terrorists are now here in Western Europe. Verviers, the Thalys, Charlie Hebdo and Paris attacks seem to be done by the same cells. Hopefully. How many terrorists could be here that are really planning to kill? Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands? What do you guys think? The travel warning for friggin' BELGIUM got raised, just unreal. Only hours from my house.

[N°6]

(11-22-2015 04:41 AM)Lime Wrote:  

I just wonder how many terrorists are now here in Western Europe. Verviers, the Thalys, Charlie Hebdo and Paris attacks seem to be done by the same cells. Hopefully. How many terrorists could be here that are really planning to kill? Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands? What do you guys think? The travel warning for friggin' BELGIUM got raised, just unreal. Only hours from my house.

If 0.5 to 1.0% of Muslims in the West sympathise with Daesh, Al-Nusra, Al-Qaeda enough to do something about it, then this is more than enough people to bring down nations.

[Saweeep]

"We had him down as a rent boy, he was always hanging out with that kind of crowd"

http://thetim.es/1lC6Cnp

Quote:

One frequented gay clubs; another boasted he had slept with a different woman every night on holiday. Within months these pot-smoking misfits joined Isis’s attack on the ‘capital of perversion’

[worldtraveler3]

I just googled and found this.
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Mu...as-warlord

clearly some people are disillusioned by what is military and what is not. It seemed like her response was that it was all self defence. REALLY? Some people are clearly deceived and thats the problem with our society today. By the way, this is the front page of google results.

[NewMeta]

It will be interesting to see what they say, being from Vice I have no doubt there will be some sort of "not all muslims" kinda twist on it and how we shouldnt blame Islam but blame ourselves or some shit like that.

[Walker]

(11-22-2015 05:20 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

"We had him down as a rent boy, he was always hanging out with that kind of crowd"

http://thetim.es/1lC6Cnp

Quote:

One frequented gay clubs; another boasted he had slept with a different woman every night on holiday. Within months these pot-smoking misfits joined Isis’s attack on the ‘capital of perversion’

The more I read and watch the more I'm convinced most arab "jihadists" aren't muslim, they're cynical atheists with a massive mean streak

[N°6]

(11-22-2015 08:04 AM)Walker Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 05:20 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

"We had him down as a rent boy, he was always hanging out with that kind of crowd"

http://thetim.es/1lC6Cnp

Quote:

One frequented gay clubs; another boasted he had slept with a different woman every night on holiday. Within months these pot-smoking misfits joined Isis’s attack on the ‘capital of perversion’

The more I read and watch the more I'm convinced most arab "jihadists" aren't muslim, they're cynical atheists with a massive mean streak

That's what I keep saying, Dr Multicultstein created this monster not Islam. Islam has not scaled a wall or battered down a gate or raided a coastal village for European women since the Gates of Vienna and since Napoléon took Algiers (this is of course changing according to the warning of a Royal Navy admiral who points to declining European power giving the possibility of ISIS taking to Mediterranean to raid southern Europe: http://www.breitbart.com/national-securi...n-islands/ ) .

In the French banlieus, cultures and racial mixes have formed which have no background or lineage anywhere else in the world. These places are like North and West Africa and Turkey's "Brazil"). The only thing that they have to hold on to is the media inspired righteous indignation against the French and toxic hip-hop culture.

[Dusty]

   

   

Contrasting opinions.

[Going strong]

Each week, French intelligence services remove 1 or 2 (on average) "Islamized, radicalized" employee(s) from... nuclear centrals!

Yes: In France, not only bus drivers, or airport baggage handlers, are infiltrated by islamists... Now, Islamists are even spotted working at nuclear centrals!

http://www.lejdd.fr/Societe/Le-nucleaire...tes-760935

"Lors du déjeuner de la conférence dédiée à l’information sur les sites nucléaires, il a estimé devant une poignée d’invités que « [ses] services sortaient des centrales une personne par semaine pour des phénomènes de radicalisation », explique un des présents. [...] Chaque année, les services de l’État [...] refusent l’accès à 700 d’entre eux en moyenne. Selon les propos du haut fonctionnaire, quelques dizaines de cas par an de dérives religieuses seraient détectés."

http://www.lefigaro.fr/lefigaromagazine/...oissy_.php

[RexImperator]

That David Wood video posted by Zel is great.

There needs to be a Quran 5:33 meme.