Well, I sure was wrong.

Predictably, my Facebook feed is exploding with progressives crowing that the Harper Decade is over.

As others have mentioned above, expect to see a spike in the following years of RVF membership from Canada as our government continues to make the situation in this country even worse for men.

Surprisingly, I'm not nearly as upset as I thought I'd be. This country was lost to the SJW class a long time ago.

Quote: (10-20-2015 12:35 AM)kosko Wrote:  

Not one important issue was brought up in this record long campaign.

The Provinces Health care deal was never brought up.

Also, neither was:

Keystone

The record defecits

Canadian housing mess

None of these big dog items were touched and yet Canadians give the keys agian to a party that has no plan. The wise choice would be a minority to force deal making.. Oh well...*Google's countries with best Canadian Visa situations*

I don't remember what thread it was but I remember stati g that the media would play games to push Trudeau in. They want him in as it would be 4 hears of material for them to spew out all over the media. Young girls will get tingles, and old women will gush over the old Trudeau days and the possible correlation. The media will attempt to make him look like a King.

lol did any of the parties have a plan? this whole campaign season was a farce and none of the parties look equipped to handle anything. I would agree a minority government would've been optimal but I am happy to see Harper no longer representing this country on a world stage. As the memes are sayin, bye felicia

Let's look at the bright side, eh?

The last time Canada had a Lib PM the beer commercials improved at least marginally --

Quote: (10-20-2015 12:35 AM)kosko Wrote:  

Not one important issue was brought up in this record long campaign.

The Provinces Health care deal was never brought up.

Also, neither was:

Keystone

The record defecits

Canadian housing mess

None of these big dog items were touched and yet Canadians give the keys agian to a party that has no plan. The wise choice would be a minority to force deal making.. Oh well...*Google's countries with best Canadian Visa situations*

I don't remember what thread it was but I remember stati g that the media would play games to push Trudeau in. They want him in as it would be 4 hears of material for them to spew out all over the media. Young girls will get tingles, and old women will gush over the old Trudeau days and the possible correlation. The media will attempt to make him look like a King.

I like your perspective. Instead of talking about the Muslims and the niqab I wish any candidate talked about Chinese/international money continuing to heat up the housing market, fully taking advantages of legal loopholes, and driving house values out of alignment with local incomes esp in BC.

Having said that, Trudeau is untested but I don't think he will drive and route out MPs and other Liberal party members who possess intelligence and independence like Harper did to his party. In terms of experience, he has the exact same experience levels as Harper did 10 years ago before he took over.

A country cannot be ruled and governed by one man full of hubris and at least Trudeau will have advisors like Paul Martin and others lending guidance (Martin and Chretien, being pragmatists, did what was needed, slayed the deficit and left a surplus. Yes, the Liberals are currently advocating running a three year deficit and I believe it's worth it as it's investing in infrasturcture spending - I also have no issue with raising income taxes on ppl earning income over $200,000).

Having said that we need a strong and functioning Conservative party as opposition but Harper remade the party in his image and it needs to purge and rebuild now that he is out.

And now that he is out, wait for all the knives to come out for him, from his own party. Being a leader is not just about policies but it is also about drawing a vision and representing your nation. Harper had a communication and management style that was unfamiliar and un-Canadian and that culturally did not speak to the rest of the country.

It could also be that after 10 years of power, ppl just get tired of you.

Having said all that there are things I admire about the man. He knows he is unlikable and charmless but doesn't give a shit about that. He managed to win three elections. He is disciplined and imposed discipline on his party as well (beneficial in the short term at least). He united and built up the Conservative party in his own image, which he had to as the Conservatives were divided before. He managed to convert and win the immigrant vote which always traditionally voted Liberal.

Ever slept with a 3 and woke up the next day thinking "My God, what have I done"?

Ever drank cheap rye whisky all night and ended up with an epic hangover worse than any you've ever had?

Although it will take some months, I predict that Canadians will have this same crushing regret and electoral hangover from giving this fool a majority.

Honestly, he is a mental midget. If his IQ were 90, I would be surprised. Even if he only lasts one term, the damage he will do to us will be catastrophic and will take decades to reverse.

This is definitely one time I take no satisfaction from being right in my prediction.

Quote: (10-20-2015 10:26 AM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  

Ever slept with a 3 and woke up the next day thinking "My God, what have I done"?

Ever drank cheap rye whisky all night and ended up with an epic hangover worse than any you've ever had?

Although it will take some months, I predict that Canadians will have this same crushing regret and electoral hangover from giving this fool a majority.

Honestly, he is a mental midget. If his IQ were 90, I would be surprised. Even if he only lasts one term, the damage he will do to us will be catastrophic and will take decades to reverse.

This is definitely one time I take no satisfaction from being right in my prediction.

I agree, having Trudeau as PM is like promoting the good looking girl in HR to be CEO. The guy has rode through life on his family name and looks.

Past liberal PMs...
Martin - ran a shipping empire
Chretien - had been around canadian politics so long he remembers smoking in cabinet meetings
Trudeau Sr - A trump like "I don't give a fuck" charisma
Pearson - war vet and 'founder' of modern Canada

Trudeau Jr strikes me as having none of these things and being a bitch that will fold in a mild crisis...he would give the stage to black lives matter protestors.

With the boy wonder now in a major power position, I expect more big companies here in Ontario to be run off. We already lost Caterpillar, John Deere and Target. I recall a few Deere guys pleading, no begging, the city council not to zone residential areas right next to the plant. The libs laughed at them when Deere said they'd be in court every week from lawsuits due to the paint fumes.

The unemployment rate here in Niagara is officially 7-8% but if you count people who've given up or have fallen on their own swords, it's 20%. Not kidding. With Trudeau in power, I expect 30% within 2 years.

Trudeau will all but guarantee that Ontario becomes the next Detroit, to say nothing about the evil FATCA legislation deal with Obama/Reid and Co that makes American-Canadians like myself second class citizens.

Then there's the feminism gene that runs through his family. What we saw happening in Switzerland with men being forced into shotgun marriages by the government will finally take it's root here. Trudeau won't be happy until men declare war on women up here. Only what he doesn't know is that we will wage that war by leaving Canada for greener pastures once and for all. I've no doubt he'll try to stop it by ramming legislation through that somehow invalidates our passports.

Quote: (10-20-2015 10:26 AM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  

Ever slept with a 3 and woke up the next day thinking "My God, what have I done"?

Ever drank cheap rye whisky all night and ended up with an epic hangover worse than any you've ever had?

Although it will take some months, I predict that Canadians will have this same crushing regret and electoral hangover from giving this fool a majority.

Honestly, he is a mental midget. If his IQ were 90, I would be surprised. Even if he only lasts one term, the damage he will do to us will be catastrophic and will take decades to reverse.

This is definitely one time I take no satisfaction from being right in my prediction.

I predict we will get the crash, though it has been some time coming. Current asset prices (mainly houses) are a fantasy based on too low interest rates, too lenient government mortgage regulation (CMHC) and too much money supply. Things will have to reverse, but these kind of reversals never result in a "soft landing". When an illusion is broken it is, well, broken. Human psychology means that things crash. Every damn time people are convinced that a debt fueled (i.e leveraged) bubble will either not burst, or unwind slowly (soft landing), but it never works out that way. And we never learn.

As far as I'm concerned the other two parties should thank their luck stars they did not win this election. IMO a crash is both relatively imminent and inevitable. Who would want to be at the helm?

I am more optimistic than others here.

For some time, it was evident that after a decade, people had enough of Harper and that he and the Conservatives were on their way out. In that context, when you examine the popular vote numbers, we can see that Canadians, while wanting change, firmly rejected the ultra-progressive freakshow that would have been an NDP government. This happened despite the NDP being presented as the government in waiting, their recent triumph in Alberta and their consistent ranking of first or second in the polls over the past year.



Over 70 percent chose to vote for either a right or centrist party. I am very encouraged by this. This tells me that while Canadian culture is more progressive and left leaning than many of us on RVF would like, this tolerance only goes so far and that Canadians aren't quite ready to let the inmates run the asylum. Canadians will give you your gay pride parades and your safe spaces, but they want competent, moderate governance, whether it comes from the blue or the red team.

I'm also hopeful we'll see a return to the Chretien/Martin style. From what I can tell, the Liberals had a lot of smart candidates running for them in this election. I think we're going to see a government with smart people in key posts and I expect Trudeau will put them to use instead of the one man band we've had from Harper the past decade. Liberals have traditionally campaigned from the left and governed from the right. I am hopeful we see that again.

Finally on a personal level, yesterday I woke up in an NDP riding. This morning I woke up in a Liberal riding. It makes me very happy to know that the people I interact with on a daily basis are more moderate than I had originally thought. I returned to Canada this summer after 1+ year abroad, when NDP numbers were at their peak. I was really worried we were going to get a NDP majority. I am much happier with the Canada of today, than I was with the Canada of three months ago. Justin Trudeau won't be perfect, but things could have turned out far worse.

My riding was, and stayed, conservative.

That said, Harper pissed off a lot of people and didn't have any kind of optimistic vision, or plan, for the country. So. We'll see. I just hope the liberals don't pass a bunch of big pro gun control bills.

Justin Trudeau knows how to turn on the ladies. Check out the way they look at him. White, black, young, old, muslim, christian and even lesbian!

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Justin Trudeau, Liberal Party leader, eldest son of former Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, is prime minister designate. He’s distant from his father’s ideology - his memoir publicly criticizing “the rigidly anti-Soviet stance taken by Reagan and his ideological soulmate Margaret Thatcher.”

He blamed neocon ideologues for heightened Cold War tensions. He went his own way geopolitically, establishing diplomatic relations with China before Nixon, recognizing Fidel Castro’s legitimate Cuban leadership, having normalized relations unlike America.

The late John Lennon once said “if all politicians were like Pierre Trudeau, there would be world peace.” Political Science Professor Erika Simpson said “it’s hard to parse out Justin…(I)t’s hard to figure out his foreign policy stand on anything.”

He’s “deliberately nebulous,” catering to various special interests. In contrast, Harper is openly hardline, a neocon extremist, shamelessly jingoistic, a reliable US imperial ally, fanatically pro-Israeli, disdainful of social justice, equity, fairness and world peace.

Will Justin Trudeau change things? Not likely. He supports the same business as usual agenda, backs US policy in Ukraine, its anti-Russian militancy and Israeli occupation harshness, abhorrently saying it “has a right to defend itself and its people,” ignoring its ruthless state terror.

Campaigning, he said if elected prime minister he’ll tell off Putin “directly to his face” - calling him “dangerous” in Ukraine and Eastern Europe, “irresponsible and harmful” in the Middle East, and “unduly provocative” in the Arctic.

“Canada needs to continue to stand strongly with the international community pushing back against the bully that is Vladimir Putin,” he blustered during a Toronto campaign rally.

His economic advisors include Larry Summers - a defrocked Harvard University president, notoriously pro-Wall Street. As Clinton's Treasury Secretary, he backed banking deregulation, ignored industry fraud, supported its consolidation, promoted anything goes, and spearheaded Glass-Steagall repeal.

He successfully thwarted Clinton's Commodity Futures Trading Commission head Brooksley Born's efforts to regulate financial derivatives.

Instead campaigned for passing the Commodity Futures Modernization Act - deregulating derivatives trading, legitimizing swap agreements and other hybrid instruments.

It's one of the root causes of today's financial disaster, ending derivatives and leveraging regulatory oversight. A tsunami of trouble followed, turning Wall Street more than ever into a casino, facilitating fraud on an unprecedented scale, harming ordinary people most.

Is Summers’ shaping Trudeau’s economic agenda? The prime minister designate is no antidote to force-fed austerity. He may turn out no different from Harper with a youthful smiling face, wrapped in the Canadian flag.

The Financial Post business section of Canada’s National Post said a Trudeau win likely “bode(s) well for Canadian stocks” - meaning his agenda is business friendly and anti-populist.

His anti-austerity campaign was phony, much like US Democrat presidential aspirants Clinton and Sanders, saying one thing, intending another, reliably pro-business as usual.

Voters have short memories. Canadians forget disastrous pre-Harper Jean Chretien Liberal policies, instituting huge social spending cuts, at the same time pandering to big business.

Expect Trudeau at best to be Harper light, pretending otherwise until voters realize they were again had. It’s always this way in America. New bums are like old ones, usually worse. Canada is no different.

Quote: (10-20-2015 12:08 PM)Soothesayer Wrote:  

With the boy wonder now in a major power position, I expect more big companies here in Ontario to be run off. We already lost Caterpillar, John Deere and Target. I recall a few Deere guys pleading, no begging, the city council not to zone residential areas right next to the plant. The libs laughed at them when Deere said they'd be in court every week from lawsuits due to the paint fumes.

The unemployment rate here in Niagara is officially 7-8% but if you count people who've given up or have fallen on their own swords, it's 20%. Not kidding. With Trudeau in power, I expect 30% within 2 years.

Trudeau will all but guarantee that Ontario becomes the next Detroit, to say nothing about the evil FATCA legislation deal with Obama/Reid and Co that makes American-Canadians like myself second class citizens.

Then there's the feminism gene that runs through his family. What we saw happening in Switzerland with men being forced into shotgun marriages by the government will finally take it's root here. Trudeau won't be happy until men declare war on women up here. Only what he doesn't know is that we will wage that war by leaving Canada for greener pastures once and for all. I've no doubt he'll try to stop it by ramming legislation through that somehow invalidates our passports.

And the funny thing they're about to find out is that they & every other Liberal voter will be the biggest sufferers when he implements his policies.

I'll feel bad for you of you lost your job Soothsayer as you've done nothing to deserve the impending shitshow. As for Liberal voters I'm just gonna sit back drink their tears & wallow in the schadenfreude at the mess they've made for themselves

My concern is about his plans relating to taxation. Is he going to tax trusts differently, or increase tax on dividend income which are incorrectly often thought of as tools of the rich.

Additionally for me having a small business professional corporation we get substantial tax breaks on money kept within the company. (10+% in savings)

With Harper in power I was confident it wouldn't be an issue. With Trudeau in power I am concerned about changes his party may enact.

Trudeau won based on marketing. Whoever scripted and produced the advertisement that was on about 12 times every Blue Jays game for Trudeau deserves a serious promotion or should be starting their own marketing / PR firm.

I see a lot of people on facebook writing extremely negative comments and defamatory comments about Mr. Harper. As far as I'm concerned he did a good job and I'm disappointed to see him go.

You guys may have heard the news that Trudeau is going to appoint his cabinet based on "gender balance".

But of course, for the usual feminist Canadian media, having gender quotas at the highest level of government still isn't good enough:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/we-h...e26887164/

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FEDERAL ELECTION 2015
We have a record number of female MPs, but hold the applause
ERIN ANDERSSEN

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A landslide for the Liberals, a glacial creep forward for women in Parliament.

Canadian voters elected 88 female MPs last night, putting female representation in the House at 26 per cent – a 1-per-cent increase over 2011.

That’s a new record worthy of tepid applause: still well short of the 30 per cent watermark that the United Nations suggests leads to a shift in policy and practice in government.

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But a Justin Trudeau victory means there will be a second, arguably more impressive, statistic, assuming the Liberals keep a key campaign commitment: For the first time, Canada will have a 50-50 gender split in cabinet. How senior those female cabinet posts will be is another question; the Liberals saw 50 women elected, representing 27 per cent of the party’s caucus, according to numbers compiled by Grace Lore, a researcher with Equal Voice, a non-partisan group that works to elect more women in Canada.

But the results overall are disappointing, given that going into the election, the potential existed for women to make more significant gains. Candidates skewed younger, and the combination of 30 additional ridings and a number of high-profile retirements meant more new candidates had the advantage of running without an incumbent. But when support for the NDP collapsed, it dragged down the fortunes of its female candidates, who accounted for an unprecedented 43 per cent of the party’s candidates.

The Liberals by comparison had 31 per cent female candidates. The Conservatives fielded less than 20 per cent, a slight drop from the last election.

At this rate, political scientists say it will be 100 years before Parliament verges on gender parity.

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Other countries have adopted formal party quotas, for instance, to improve female representation – a measure complicated by Canada’s localized nominations and first-past-the post system.

While there have been a number of studies making the case for a switch to some level of proportional representation, in which at least a portion of MPs could be elected from gender-balanced party lists, changing the political system is not a “magic bullet,” says Prof. Carbert. On its own, it doesn’t seem appear to be the deciding factor, she says. Rather, it’s a combination of societal factors that played a larger role in countries such as Sweden and Denmark, which have the highest female representation in the Western world: most significantly the dominance of left-leaning parties, but also an egalitarian society and acceptance of non-traditional gender roles.

Quote: (10-20-2015 12:08 PM)Soothesayer Wrote:  

With the boy wonder now in a major power position, I expect more big companies here in Ontario to be run off. We already lost Caterpillar, John Deere and Target. I recall a few Deere guys pleading, no begging, the city council not to zone residential areas right next to the plant. The libs laughed at them when Deere said they'd be in court every week from lawsuits due to the paint fumes.

The unemployment rate here in Niagara is officially 7-8% but if you count people who've given up or have fallen on their own swords, it's 20%. Not kidding. With Trudeau in power, I expect 30% within 2 years.

Trudeau will all but guarantee that Ontario becomes the next Detroit, to say nothing about the evil FATCA legislation deal with Obama/Reid and Co that makes American-Canadians like myself second class citizens.

Then there's the feminism gene that runs through his family. What we saw happening in Switzerland with men being forced into shotgun marriages by the government will finally take it's root here. Trudeau won't be happy until men declare war on women up here. Only what he doesn't know is that we will wage that war by leaving Canada for greener pastures once and for all. I've no doubt he'll try to stop it by ramming legislation through that somehow invalidates our passports.

Something is bound to happen. Whether or not liberals accelerate or decelerate it I don't know. Canadian prices for basic goods are getting just as whacked out as the home prices.

On my last trip to canada I was paying $5/gallon for gas vs. $2/gallon in my part of the US. I bought one, just one bag of groceries with the basics to make peanut butter sandwiches and some yogurt and it ran me $30 vs. $15 here in america. My brother, with a family of 4, said his grocery budget is insane. $13 for a $6 mcdonalds meal here etc.

I remember prices being higher when I lived in Canada, but certainly not double. Combine that with the pending utilities spike in Ontario when Hydro One gets sold and I bet people will get squeezed again.

a household budget that gets eaten up by the basics will tip people towards default on already ballistic mortgage and rent payments.

That aside, Trudeau is smart to have plenty of female cabinet members. He is like the wet dream of every woman in Canadian politics so every bitch in his ranks will follow him off a cliff if he just gives them a whiff of attention.

It feels like you're quoting an article here. Is that the case, or are these your words?

Quote: (10-20-2015 09:36 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Will Justin Trudeau change things? Not likely. He supports the same business as usual agenda.

His economic advisors include Larry Summers - a defrocked Harvard University president, notoriously pro-Wall Street. As Clinton's Treasury Secretary, he backed banking deregulation, ignored industry fraud, supported its consolidation, promoted anything goes, and spearheaded Glass-Steagall repeal.

The Financial Post business section of Canada’s National Post said a Trudeau win likely “bode(s) well for Canadian stocks” - meaning his agenda is business friendly and anti-populist.

His anti-austerity campaign was phony, much like US Democrat presidential aspirants Clinton and Sanders, saying one thing, intending another, reliably pro-business as usual.

Voters have short memories. Canadians forget disastrous pre-Harper Jean Chretien Liberal policies, instituting huge social spending cuts, at the same time pandering to big business.

Expect Trudeau at best to be Harper light, pretending otherwise until voters realize they were again had. It’s always this way in America. New bums are like old ones, usually worse. Canada is no different.

I would love some business-friendly, anti-populist, huge social spending cuts. This is why, as much as I hate Libs and Cons, having status quo people in power who know how to achieve some degree of success in the business world is the less-bad alternative to leftist ideologues. Not Justin of course, but his advisors. Although Summers is a monster, just not for the reasons in the quote above. I mean the real guys calling the shots. That's why, as annoying as Justin is going to be, if the old guard liberals really do run a "talk left, rule right" kind of game, it won't be so horrible.

^I was quoting the article.

Quote: (10-21-2015 06:22 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

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Something is bound to happen. Whether or not liberals accelerate or decelerate it I don't know. Canadian prices for basic goods are getting just as whacked out as the home prices.

On my last trip to canada I was paying $5/gallon for gas vs. $2/gallon in my part of the US. I bought one, just one bag of groceries with the basics to make peanut butter sandwiches and some yogurt and it ran me $30 vs. $15 here in america. My brother, with a family of 4, said his grocery budget is insane. $13 for a $6 mcdonalds meal here etc.

I remember prices being higher when I lived in Canada, but certainly not double. Combine that with the pending utilities spike in Ontario when Hydro One gets sold and I bet people will get squeezed again.

a household budget that gets eaten up by the basics will tip people towards default on already ballistic mortgage and rent payments.

That aside, Trudeau is smart to have plenty of female cabinet members. He is like the wet dream of every woman in Canadian politics so every bitch in his ranks will follow him off a cliff if he just gives them a whiff of attention.

I hate to say this, because I, too, am Canadian, but Canadian business on average is extremely inefficient. Especially as far as Supply Chain/Distribution is concerned. Someone from a European business background would be scratching their heads if they were dropped into a Canadian firm and observed standard practices. I'm not really sure why this is. I used to think that a lot of it was due to the size of the country. Distribution is difficult because the nation is so big. But most people live concentrated in a few areas. Not really a lower density than the US, say. My current thoughts are that it basically comes down to complacency. Many business deals are struck based on factors other than efficiency. Personal contacts, government pressures, historical connections. It's actually all very charming. But it most definitely does not lead to high efficiency or low prices. Not really a problem when the government has your back in terms protective legislation, but it is a problem when Canadian firms wan't to compete internationally. They will need to up their game.

I understand these factors apply everywhere. It's just that in Canada the environment is such that a "connected" company can get away with more inefficiency than in many other countries. The result is both more inefficiency, and also more monopoly profits for owners. Leading to higher prices for consumers.

My Canadian colleague (who, for the record, is fucking superb at her job and a delight to work with) came over to 'gloat' the morning after the result, knowing that I was a conservative.

Funny how, after the Conservatives won in May that I didn't even mention it the next morning, knowing that she was a lefty (as is pretty much everyone I know personally).



I'm considering getting a Trump T shirt for dress down Fridays.

I find the appointment of the federal finance minister more telling to future policy than the prime minister itself. For example, Chretien had Paul Martin...who did well and Harper had flarethy, who I also thought was good.

Trudeau Has Bill Morneau who's business acumen is this:

1. Chair of Canada's largest Human Resources outsourcing firm
2. Pension plan consultant (he advised Lesbian Wynne on establishing the new Ontairo Pension Plan)

When HR gets put in charge of the ship, the ship sinks. Game over Canadian Economy...game over.

Also stupid is the empty gesture of having a even split cabanet of 15 men and 15 women.

I would find it offensive only getting a post to look good and likely the deputy minister would be calling the shots while I just stand around and wear nice suits.

Some how with a record number of female Mayors and Premiers some how women think there is some wall against them in politics aside from their unwillingness to step up and run.

Only one day in and I am already pissed off with the guy.

New interim leader of the Conservative party, Rona Ambrose.

Wyb?