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I know I haven't been around much lately. Brutally busy at work. But I did want to show up to make my final prediction: Liberal Majority. 175 plus seats.
Canada is voting with its feelings and based on false promises of "free stuff".
Huge economic decline to follow.
Trudeau is immature and just plain dumb. He will be decried by history, or laughed at, or both. Putin will be laughing when he hears about Justin's plan to "tell him off". Roissy's spot the beta will soon have a slam dunk candidate when those two meet for the first time.
By the way: This result will certainly factor into my forthcoming massive post on the erosion of free speech in Canada (yes it is delayed but still coming). A Liberal victory will not improve things on this front. Not at all.
Canada is voting with its feelings and based on false promises of "free stuff".
Huge economic decline to follow.
Trudeau is immature and just plain dumb. He will be decried by history, or laughed at, or both. Putin will be laughing when he hears about Justin's plan to "tell him off". Roissy's spot the beta will soon have a slam dunk candidate when those two meet for the first time.
By the way: This result will certainly factor into my forthcoming massive post on the erosion of free speech in Canada (yes it is delayed but still coming). A Liberal victory will not improve things on this front. Not at all.
My expectation is slight Conservative minority government, but otherwise it's too close to call between NDP/Liberals as official opposition.
I don't think Canadians are stupid enough to give this manchild a majority but he'll have a free run for at least 12 months as the opposition so in the short term it'll be just as bad.
Danny is sadly right anyone who supports Trudeau have completely switched off their brains in order to support him. The man is the worst aspects of Obama and Bush rolled into one. A vapid, shallow, narcissistic, egomaniac who has only gotten to where he has in life solely by virtue of his last name, his daddy's connections & a propagandistic media. Women seem to be supporting him on the basis that he makes their hearts flutter and gets their panties all wet & men who back him have to be urban hipster faggot types. No man with a modicum of self respect would ever admit to being a supporter.
It's been a long time but that gnawing feeling of being completely ashamed to be of this country has returned once again. The only satisfaction I have is knowing that in the long run the people who support him the most will suffer the consequences of evee having voted for him
Danny is sadly right anyone who supports Trudeau have completely switched off their brains in order to support him. The man is the worst aspects of Obama and Bush rolled into one. A vapid, shallow, narcissistic, egomaniac who has only gotten to where he has in life solely by virtue of his last name, his daddy's connections & a propagandistic media. Women seem to be supporting him on the basis that he makes their hearts flutter and gets their panties all wet & men who back him have to be urban hipster faggot types. No man with a modicum of self respect would ever admit to being a supporter.
It's been a long time but that gnawing feeling of being completely ashamed to be of this country has returned once again. The only satisfaction I have is knowing that in the long run the people who support him the most will suffer the consequences of evee having voted for him
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Part of me wonders if it's less "Trudeau support" and more a combination of outrage/fatigue of Harper, and the Liberal party being the "natural governing party" of Canada. When you can't vote Conservative and your 3rd choice is NDP... this is how we end up with a Trudeau government (theoretically). I think that's why Liberals siphoned the NDP support throughout the past couple of months to get to this point.
It's like the Globe & Mail op-ed, where they endorsed the Conservative party without Harper, which is nice but we live in reality where a Conservative win means Harper sticks around. The op-ed was rightfully scorned but is probably the way a lot of people feel.
I think we'll get a Lib/NDP coalition (where the Liberals may or may not get the plurality of seats) but whether that leads to a Liberal majority or a Conservative resurgence in the next election, I'm not sure. Who leads the Conservatives when Harper's gone? Peter MacKay coming out of political retirement?
If Harper resigns, their next leader and their charisma/likeability factor will determine whether it's a quick turnaround for them or a Chretien-years venturing through the wilderness.
It's like the Globe & Mail op-ed, where they endorsed the Conservative party without Harper, which is nice but we live in reality where a Conservative win means Harper sticks around. The op-ed was rightfully scorned but is probably the way a lot of people feel.
I think we'll get a Lib/NDP coalition (where the Liberals may or may not get the plurality of seats) but whether that leads to a Liberal majority or a Conservative resurgence in the next election, I'm not sure. Who leads the Conservatives when Harper's gone? Peter MacKay coming out of political retirement?
If Harper resigns, their next leader and their charisma/likeability factor will determine whether it's a quick turnaround for them or a Chretien-years venturing through the wilderness.
Liberal minority , 155 seats .
Something happened around October 3rd and liberals have picked up massive traction since .
I cannot believe that women Trudeau will be PM, hope the conservatives can pull an upset .
Something happened around October 3rd and liberals have picked up massive traction since .
I cannot believe that women Trudeau will be PM, hope the conservatives can pull an upset .
I wasn't sure what to make of Justin Trudeau.
A lot of people, seem to have swallowed the attack ad (he's just not ready) messaging and view him as an intellectual lightweight and borderline SJW. Then there are others who swoon at him, almost in a 2008 Obama supporter kind of way. Both positions seem extreme in my opinion.
Over the summer, I read his autobiography to try and better understand what he's all about. In the book he talks about how he relates more to his grandfather (James Sinclair) than his famous father when it comes to his extroverted politicking style. His grandfather was what he describes as a "retail politician" who liked getting out, meeting people and campaigning. Pierre Trudeau was more of an intellectual type who didn't much care for mixing with the unwashed masses.
He also writes in the book that his brother's death reaffirmed his Christian beliefs and that he welcomes God's presence in his life. I had always assumed he was more of a millennial type atheist. I'm sure many other Canadians do to. I like that he wrote about this in his book. It is good to know that this politician, who may become PM tonight, thinks he'll have to one day answer the bell on the other side and account for his actions.
I don't really think the argument of him as an intellectual lightweight holds up very well under scrutiny either. The guy grew up in a privileged home with an intellectual father who made him read and understand classic literature. He went to one of Canada's most rigorous private schools and graduated from McGill. He's also traveled extensively, internationally and all over Canada.
He's the father of three young kids. He's worth millions of dollars and was a celebrity long before entering politics. There is no financial benefit for him to be running. He could have gone the Ben Mulroney route, but instead he is subjecting his family to the stresses of public life. I think making Canada a better place for his kids and Canadians is his primary motive for running, not some power grab or ego trip. You can disagree with his vision for Canada, but I believe his motives are honourable.
As for calling him beta, here's what the criminal "alpha bad boy" who lost to him in a boxing match has to say today...
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For the record, I voted Conservative in the last provincial election (I think Kathleen Wynne is insane) so I'm not some hardcore Liberal partisan. I just think far too many people view Justin Trudeau through the propaganda prism of their choice, when the the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
A lot of people, seem to have swallowed the attack ad (he's just not ready) messaging and view him as an intellectual lightweight and borderline SJW. Then there are others who swoon at him, almost in a 2008 Obama supporter kind of way. Both positions seem extreme in my opinion.
Over the summer, I read his autobiography to try and better understand what he's all about. In the book he talks about how he relates more to his grandfather (James Sinclair) than his famous father when it comes to his extroverted politicking style. His grandfather was what he describes as a "retail politician" who liked getting out, meeting people and campaigning. Pierre Trudeau was more of an intellectual type who didn't much care for mixing with the unwashed masses.
He also writes in the book that his brother's death reaffirmed his Christian beliefs and that he welcomes God's presence in his life. I had always assumed he was more of a millennial type atheist. I'm sure many other Canadians do to. I like that he wrote about this in his book. It is good to know that this politician, who may become PM tonight, thinks he'll have to one day answer the bell on the other side and account for his actions.
I don't really think the argument of him as an intellectual lightweight holds up very well under scrutiny either. The guy grew up in a privileged home with an intellectual father who made him read and understand classic literature. He went to one of Canada's most rigorous private schools and graduated from McGill. He's also traveled extensively, internationally and all over Canada.
He's the father of three young kids. He's worth millions of dollars and was a celebrity long before entering politics. There is no financial benefit for him to be running. He could have gone the Ben Mulroney route, but instead he is subjecting his family to the stresses of public life. I think making Canada a better place for his kids and Canadians is his primary motive for running, not some power grab or ego trip. You can disagree with his vision for Canada, but I believe his motives are honourable.
As for calling him beta, here's what the criminal "alpha bad boy" who lost to him in a boxing match has to say today...
For the record, I voted Conservative in the last provincial election (I think Kathleen Wynne is insane) so I'm not some hardcore Liberal partisan. I just think far too many people view Justin Trudeau through the propaganda prism of their choice, when the the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Quote: (10-19-2015 08:53 AM)Nemausus Wrote:
I wasn't sure what to make of Justin Trudeau.
A lot of people, seem to have swallowed the attack ad (he's just not ready) messaging and view him as an intellectual lightweight and borderline SJW. Then there are others who swoon at him, almost in a 2008 Obama supporter kind of way. Both positions seem extreme in my opinion.
Over the summer, I read his autobiography to try and better understand what he's all about. In the book he talks about how he relates more to his grandfather (James Sinclair) than his famous father when it comes to his extroverted politicking style. His grandfather was what he describes as a "retail politician" who liked getting out, meeting people and campaigning. Pierre Trudeau was more of an intellectual type who didn't much care for mixing with the unwashed masses.
He also writes in the book that his brother's death reaffirmed his Christian beliefs and that he welcomes God's presence in his life. I had always assumed he was more of a millennial type atheist. I'm sure many other Canadians do to. I like that he wrote about this in his book. It is good to know that this politician, who may become PM tonight, thinks he'll have to one day answer the bell on the other side and account for his actions.
I don't really think the argument of him as an intellectual lightweight holds up very well under scrutiny either. The guy grew up in a privileged home with an intellectual father who made him read and understand classic literature. He went to one of Canada's most rigorous private schools and graduated from McGill. He's also traveled extensively, internationally and all over Canada.
He's the father of three young kids. He's worth millions of dollars and was a celebrity long before entering politics. There is no financial benefit for him to be running. He could have gone the Ben Mulroney route, but instead he is subjecting his family to the stresses of public life. I think making Canada a better place for his kids and Canadians is his primary motive for running, not some power grab or ego trip. You can disagree with his vision for Canada, but I believe his motives are honourable.
As for calling him beta, here's what the criminal "alpha bad boy" who lost to him in a boxing match has to say today...
For the record, I voted Conservative in the last provincial election (I think Kathleen Wynne is insane) so I'm not some hardcore Liberal partisan. I just think far too many people view Justin Trudeau through the propaganda prism of their choice, when the the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
If we forget the personality issue, Justin Trudeau wants to double immigration and open the border to the refugees, this should be considered very closely as well.
He also booted 2 Mp's for having consensual sex with a NDP MP, after the NDP MP complained that she regretted going to the Liberal MP's room and bringing a condom, he's just very blue pill and will not take us in the right direction.
Ugh. Talking to a few friends who don't follow politics at all or know the party platforms OR have ever voted have told me they are voting Liberal. It's exactly like 2008 Obama craze. It's now ''cool'' to vote for Trudeau among younger people.
whats the easiest way to watch CBC in the US? I would like to follow it on one of the news networks i have on cable. The only one that might cover it is BBC AMERICA.
Quote: (10-18-2015 10:31 PM)DannyAlberta Wrote:
I know I haven't been around much lately. Brutally busy at work. But I did want to show up to make my final prediction: Liberal Majority. 175 plus seats.
Canada is voting with its feelings and based on false promises of "free stuff".
Huge economic decline to follow.
Trudeau is immature and just plain dumb. He will be decried by history, or laughed at, or both. Putin will be laughing when he hears about Justin's plan to "tell him off". Roissy's spot the beta will soon have a slam dunk candidate when those two meet for the first time.
By the way: This result will certainly factor into my forthcoming massive post on the erosion of free speech in Canada (yes it is delayed but still coming). A Liberal victory will not improve things on this front. Not at all.
This is inevitable. Given the current rate of personal debt and the fact that Canada's housing market hasn't crashed yet (quite the opposite) a massive decline in personal net wealth is inevitable and (relatively) imminent. I've been under the impression that the NDP would be at the helm at the crash, and be unfairly blamed for it, but it seems that it might be the Liberals. They're in a pretty precarious position. Harper and the Bank of Canada have used up all the ammunition (regulations, interest rates etc.) that could delay a housing, and general debt related, crash. But the gig is up. It's very difficult to see what a Liberal government could do to further juice housing. Let CMHC approve 40 year insured mortgages to 60 year old borrowers? Let people use 100% of their RRSP to buy an overpriced house?
If a crash does happen under the Liberals watch I'm not sure what long term effect it would have on them. If it was the NDP I'd say it would wreck them for at least 15 years, but the Liberals may be able to come back sooner.
I keep hearing about this Canadian housing bubble and the inevitable crash. I just don't see it happening. Maybe a slight decline in TO or Vancouver if the Chinese market doesn't smarten up, but even then those rich enough to buy abroad aren't gonna be cash strapped from a market decline.
IMO Canada is way to regulated and controlled to have anything happen similar to the US housing crash. Though I know there were more behind the scene and some corrupt stuff going on, the fact that one could get a 40 year mortgage with 3% down is just a recipe for disaster.
IMO Canada is way to regulated and controlled to have anything happen similar to the US housing crash. Though I know there were more behind the scene and some corrupt stuff going on, the fact that one could get a 40 year mortgage with 3% down is just a recipe for disaster.
Quote: (10-19-2015 10:41 AM)8ball Wrote:
whats the easiest way to watch CBC in the US? I would like to follow it on one of the news networks i have on cable. The only one that might cover it is BBC AMERICA.
Looks like CBC will be providing a stream of their coverage at this page:
http://www.cbc.ca/includes/federalelecti...index.html
Not sure if they will restrict access based on geolocation. You'll find out at 6:30pm ET.
There's more details on their TV/Radio/Tablet/Streaming coverage here: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-e...-1.3275619
At the very least, you can listen to the radio stream from anywhere in the world.
Quote: (10-19-2015 09:36 AM)Curunír Wrote:
If we forget the personality issue, Justin Trudeau wants to double immigration and open the border to the refugees, this should be considered very closely as well.
His pandering to islamists is greatly troubling.
"Intellectuals are naturally attracted by the idea of a planned society, in the belief that they will be in charge of it" -Roger Scruton
Quote: (10-19-2015 09:47 AM)Kdog Wrote:
Ugh. Talking to a few friends who don't follow politics at all or know the party platforms OR have ever voted have told me they are voting Liberal. It's exactly like 2008 Obama craze. It's now ''cool'' to vote for Trudeau among younger people.
When I lived in Montreal, long before he was close to the Liberal leadership, it was "cool" to talk about him being the leader of the party. It was "cool" to imagine the Trudeau dynasty taking power again. The university students are told that his dad was the greatest ever (I'm sure this is different in French strongholds, but keep in mind we are talking about McGill anglos here).
This move has been telegraphed for years. Even if the man himself has some substance (which I very much doubt, regardless of his privileged upbringing), any success he gains this year will be due primarily to cult of personality and nothing else.
That said, a minority govt of any kind would be optimal to me, so as to provide some gridlock.
All I'll say is everyone who can, get out and exercise your right to vote.
By law your employer is giving you 3 hours from the time your job ends to the time the polls close.
Good luck gents.
By law your employer is giving you 3 hours from the time your job ends to the time the polls close.
Good luck gents.
Harper tried to bring American style cultural wars into normally fair Canadian elections and it backfired. We have yet to see what Trudeau Jr is made of but we know that Harper is not a leader. The CPC is a tired party and they need to jettison Harper and remake themselves.
I had a nightmare that I woke up and Trudeau was PM, then I realized it was a old headline from his fathers days, but still Harper was PM....
That is the folly that hysteria and hype has presented us with. It will likely be a Liberal majority or Con minority. Only outright embarrassment will force Harper to step down as Con leader. Even with minority status I see him staying on at least for all the perks until he finds a empty suit to replace him at thier next convention.
I don't vote in Federal elections as Canadian democracy is a sham on the Federal level. But still engaged in what is going on I find it troubling I knowore about issues then people who voted today. One girl I know didn't know that you could only vote for your local MP and thus party, not the leader. It wasn't her first time voting (her 2nd), she should know this though...
Cons who are inept by a puppet master leader still may win. Thier leader Harper, who always has the dead face like when you go on a fap binge on to much big booty porn. Dude probably faps to Fraser institute white papers, what a loser, I hope he gets cast away into the sticks tonight.
That is the folly that hysteria and hype has presented us with. It will likely be a Liberal majority or Con minority. Only outright embarrassment will force Harper to step down as Con leader. Even with minority status I see him staying on at least for all the perks until he finds a empty suit to replace him at thier next convention.
I don't vote in Federal elections as Canadian democracy is a sham on the Federal level. But still engaged in what is going on I find it troubling I knowore about issues then people who voted today. One girl I know didn't know that you could only vote for your local MP and thus party, not the leader. It wasn't her first time voting (her 2nd), she should know this though...
Cons who are inept by a puppet master leader still may win. Thier leader Harper, who always has the dead face like when you go on a fap binge on to much big booty porn. Dude probably faps to Fraser institute white papers, what a loser, I hope he gets cast away into the sticks tonight.
Quote: (10-19-2015 06:31 PM)Vronsky Wrote:I think you mean the media party have tried to portray Harper as waging an 'American style cultural war'. They try as ever to paint him as the bible thumping creationist evangelical. And yet... abortion is still legal, gays are getting married in droves, immigration (particularly muslims and 3rd world) has increased...
Harper tried to bring American style cultural wars into normally fair Canadian elections and it backfired. We have yet to see what Trudeau Jr is made of but we know that Harper is not a leader. The CPC is a tired party and they need to jettison Harper and remake themselves.
If by 'culture war' you mean going against the OIC lobby at the UN, opposing wearing a face covering while being sworn in for citizenship, that's fine with me. The lesser of 3 evils by a long shot.
"Intellectuals are naturally attracted by the idea of a planned society, in the belief that they will be in charge of it" -Roger Scruton
There is no right wing in Canada. The three most Libertarian/Right pockets of the country vote blindly for the Cs each election, but zoom down to the Province and all shower then with goodies to keep them from implementing mob rule. The Bible belt in BC, harcore Wildrose reigons in Alberta, and Libertarian Land in east Ontario in parts like Coburg are staunch to the right but go look at how much "Economic Development" money Provinces dump on them to keep them in line. Its all a joke. Everybody in Canada is on the left nipple and sucking on that teet proudly.
Harper would not get a single vote in America, they would call him a socialist.
Harper would not get a single vote in America, they would call him a socialist.
I'm an eternal optimist, so I wanted to believe that DannyAlberta was wrong when I first read his post this morning. But it appears as if it is just time.
CBC running an HD livestream on YouTube for those who are following from abroad.
Quote: (10-19-2015 06:59 PM)kosko Wrote:
There is no right wing in Canada. The three most Libertarian/Right pockets of the country vote blindly for the Cs each election, but zoom down to the Province and all shower then with goodies to keep them from implementing mob rule. The Bible belt in BC, harcore Wildrose reigons in Alberta, and Libertarian Land in east Ontario in parts like Coburg are staunch to the right but go look at how much "Economic Development" money Provinces dump on them to keep them in line. Its all a joke. Everybody in Canada is on the left nipple and sucking on that teet proudly.
Harper would not get a single vote in America, they would call him a socialist.
1st paragraph may be true, but Harper not getting a single vote in the usa?? Please...
Let's review:
Climate change doesn't exist, fuck renewables
Drugs are bad. Continue war on them.
Israel is incapable of sin.
Bill C-51 was the canadian version of the patriot act.
Muzzling of scientists or anyone intelligent.
Follow Judeo christian mores: prostitution bad, euthanasia bad (shut down by supreme court on both those)
so on..
He would get plenty votes.
Quote: (10-19-2015 06:31 PM)Vronsky Wrote:
Harper tried to bring American style cultural wars into normally fair Canadian elections and it backfired. We have yet to see what Trudeau Jr is made of but we know that Harper is not a leader. The CPC is a tired party and they need to jettison Harper and remake themselves.
Complains about Harper bringing cultural war into Canada...A Member and poster on Roosh V forum....
I swear, are some guys lost on this board? What the hell kind of war are we in here? or did you just come for dating tips on banging polish women?
Meanwhile the Libs looking like they have a majority. I shouldn't be surprised, this land is filled with sjw lefties. Even a large portion of the cons are socialists.
I figure only 10 to 15% of this country is actually Right Wing. So it's really no surprise that a Liberal Majority is on the way. Even when Harper won his last mandate, 60% of the country didn't vote for him. Really that 10% difference in votes from 40% to 30% means everything.
Oh and when I say that 60% of country didn't vote for harper last election, that truly means that almost 2/3rds of this country is solidly left everytime.
Trudeau is popular because I think he truly represents the average Canadian guy. The way he talks, moves, smiles. SJW through and through.
You'd find a million of these limp dicks in Toronto alone.
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