Do you find it easy to keep eye contact with starngers easily? I always tell myself Im gonna keep eye contact when a girl looks at me and I always fail, I alway end up looking somewhere else, Im guessing its just anxiety because under the influence I am a beast at keeping eye contact lol

Any tips?

Think of eye contact as a game of playing chicken. Who ever back downs first loses.

Many women like a confident man who can maintain eye contact without getting nervous. Some girls may be intimidated by it as it's too intense for them. Learn to calibrate it as you go. Just make sure if you maintain intense eye contact with a girl that you act on it and approach her. Otherwise she will see you add either weird or a threat

Practice practice practice

I used to be such a pussy I couldn't look anyone in the eyes because it made me uncomfortable, even my family and close friends. I'm still working on it but am lightyears ahead of how I used to be

Do like LA savage says and make it a game, that's how I first started to do it. Its hard at first but it still gives me such a pump when I lock eyes with a chick and she's the one who looks away first. Especially when she's good looking and confident and will last longer than most girls, gets my heart racing!

Also, doesn't even have to be when you're out gaming, if you're just walking around a place with people about just try and make and maintain eye contact with any and all.

What he said ^

I could never hold eye contact with anyone let alone attractive chicks. I still have problems with it if I'm in an enclosed space such as the tube and they are right next to me (gets a little too weird). I can maintain eye contact with anyone now. I just have problems acting upon it which also comes with practice.

Quote: (10-12-2015 03:36 PM)LA Savage Wrote:  

Think of eye contact as a game of playing chicken. Who ever back downs first loses.

Many women like a confident man who can maintain eye contact without getting nervous. Some girls may be intimidated by it as it's too intense for them. Learn to calibrate it as you go. Just make sure if you maintain intense eye contact with a girl that you act on it and approach her. Otherwise she will see you add either weird or a threat

I like this video as it represent exactly everything quoted above:
You can force the EC if the woman is receptive and you have the possibility to approach right away.
Do not get labeled as weird when the girl does not engage in your sexy staring contest and you kept staring at her.

Subtlety is the Word

Yep if a girl looks at you and looks away immediately, it means you're not attractive enough for her. In those situations, don't force eye contact. Only lock eyes with chicks who lock eyes with you. When she looks away, don't keep staring at her. Approach if possible.

If you are unsure and you are not in a club environment, is signing 'hi' (or miming hi) to confirm to approach a good idea? Or maybe many girls wouldn't reciprocate the 'hi' even if they would be up for an approach?

Does anyone else forget sometimes? I have no problem if I concentrate on it.

I once took this yoga January term class at my college. The instructor had us do a lot of weird exercises intended to pull people of their comfort zones. Some of them were goofy as hell but others worthwhile. One of them had our whole class walking around slowly in random, individual patterns. He would hit a little gong and you would have to face the nearest person, touch both their hands in a patty-cake fashion and hold eye contact until he hit the gong again. Shit would last for at least two or three minutes between gongs. Three minutes feels like a long ass time when you're staring at a blank wall, let alone staring into someone's eyes from a foot away. The hand touching meant you could feel every nervous twitch.

It was interesting to see how a lot of people would start bugging out with weird mannerisms or awkward giggles. It was fun when you ended up with one of the cute girls though. Most of them can't really help that stuff when they're holding prolonged eye contact with a (perceived) confident male. You could tell it made them nervous and made their pussies tingle a little if you just kept the calm steely expression for the duration.

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Yep if a girl looks at you and looks away immediately, it means you're not attractive enough for her. In those situations, don't force eye contact. Only lock eyes with chicks who lock eyes with you. When she looks away, don't keep staring at her. Approach if possible.

Not true in all cases. A lot of insecure or nervous girls will try to mask their attraction by looking away quickly. Doesn't mean they can't be had.

I used to never look people in the eye but then slowly I started looking at friends directly in the eyes when talking and this helped a lot.

I never lose eye contact now everyone always looks away first especially girls.

A girl who I barely know and never talked to, upon seeing me walking in her direction, sees me, quickly take out her phone and looks at it. While doing that, she takes a quick look at me and looks back at her phone. What do you guys think of this?

Practice holding eye contact when conversing with friends, relatives and coworkers. You will notice that most people will look away, look down, etc. Carrying that skill over to women should come easily once you gain some inner confidence and find that holding eye contact isn't that big of a deal. Once you start to get that down, you'll laugh a little inside when you see people struggling to maintain eye contact with you. When I practiced this, I noticed that the only two people who could hold eye contact with me were my two closest friends, who are both very confident and successful with women.

My mother was very strict with me in regards to this when I was younger.

I was not allowed to look away when speaking to someone, I thank her for this.

Shows confidence & a lot can be said with your eyes.

Quote: (11-08-2016 08:28 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

A girl who I barely know and never talked to, upon seeing me walking in her direction, sees me, quickly take out her phone and looks at it. While doing that, she takes a quick look at me and looks back at her phone. What do you guys think of this?

It's the combination of social retardation via technology and third wave feminism. People are too awkward to have regular interaction so they use their phone as an excuse. The quick look might have been to make sure you weren't stare-raping her

Quote: (11-08-2016 03:05 PM)younggun Wrote:  

Quote: (11-08-2016 08:28 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

A girl who I barely know and never talked to, upon seeing me walking in her direction, sees me, quickly take out her phone and looks at it. While doing that, she takes a quick look at me and looks back at her phone. What do you guys think of this?

It's the combination of social retardation via technology and third wave feminism. People are too awkward to have regular interaction so they use their phone as an excuse. The quick look might have been to make sure you weren't stare-raping her

Yeah, I guess the lesson to learn here is that once a girl averts eye contact in a dismissive manner, it is bad frame to continue holding eye contact. It might come across as needy or something.

Quote: (11-08-2016 12:40 PM)Serious Sam Wrote:  

Practice holding eye contact when conversing with friends, relatives and coworkers. You will notice that most people will look away, look down, etc. Carrying that skill over to women should come easily once you gain some inner confidence and find that holding eye contact isn't that big of a deal. Once you start to get that down, you'll laugh a little inside when you see people struggling to maintain eye contact with you. When I practiced this, I noticed that the only two people who could hold eye contact with me were my two closest friends, who are both very confident and successful with women.

I do notice that when I talk to guys. In general, guys do not hold eye contact much if at all. I always assumed it might be because we are just friends and doing that is just not normal between two guys who are friends. But it is interesting to note that if some guy is superior to you at work or in authority, they tend to hold better eye contact, so it might be something to do with intimidation.

But girls talking to each other hold eye contact very well, so this can be a way to hold her attention more.

I never had problems on eye contact. Girls playing eye contact game all the time. They are used to pussified men therefore they get intimidate when you win the game.

Eye contact is incredibly important. Nothing says you're a pussy to a woman faster than not being able to hold it with her.

I'm a firm believer that dominant body language and eye contact are far more important than any dialog or lines you speak.

Watch Bond's unshakable confidence in this scene.






And how he handles shit tests in this video with just eye contact.

"I suppose you've given some thought to the notion that if you lose, our government will have directly financed terrorism."

- Blank stare saying don't fuck with me.

Quote: (11-09-2016 07:40 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

Quote: (11-08-2016 03:05 PM)younggun Wrote:  

Quote: (11-08-2016 08:28 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

A girl who I barely know and never talked to, upon seeing me walking in her direction, sees me, quickly take out her phone and looks at it. While doing that, she takes a quick look at me and looks back at her phone. What do you guys think of this?

It's the combination of social retardation via technology and third wave feminism. People are too awkward to have regular interaction so they use their phone as an excuse. The quick look might have been to make sure you weren't stare-raping her

Yeah, I guess the lesson to learn here is that once a girl averts eye contact in a dismissive manner, it is bad frame to continue holding eye contact. It might come across as needy or something.

Good examples of eye contact in the clips above.

Half the battle is already won when a girl gives you eye contact, from there, its just a matter of softening the look and approaching her.

Strange that it never comes up in these films about women dismissing eye contact from the hero and how he reacts to it. The issue would then be, if it is a shit test or is she genuinely not interested?

Quote: (11-08-2016 03:05 PM)younggun Wrote:  

It's the combination of social retardation via technology and third wave feminism. People are too awkward to have regular interaction so they use their phone as an excuse. The quick look might have been to make sure you weren't stare-raping her

These days young chicks with their phones are like Linus with his blanket.



Girls have admitted to me that when I made them nervous they would pretend to do something on their phone to "hide". When I think they're doing that I like to take their phones away, and force them to acknowledge the eye contact and physical chemistry.

Actually, taking their phones away is always a good idea regardless.

My experience has come through the following transition.

Beta: Check out chicks, get caught, accidental eye contact, look away, experience shame, no pussy.
to
Alpha: Eye contact ASAP, when she looks away you check her out, dominance, no shame, get pussy.

The longer she tries to hold eye contact the better the outcome if you succeed in beating her(obviously you don't want to look like Samuel Jackson in the gif above. It has to be alpha, not psycho gamma). This counts ten times as much if she's wearing a low cut top with cleavage. Make no mistake, it's a control mechanism and women are not attracted to men they can easily control. It's almost a simple filter for alpha males.

Low cut top and he still goes to the eyes first (tits after)? Obviously the guy has frame and serious self control. Opposite? Instant gratification impulse = loser 99 times out of 100.

Personally I've had trouble balancing focusing on listening to the person speak(which causes me to have little to no eye contact) vs making sure there is enough eye contact to show I'm listening. If I try to actively focus on making eye contact I tend to worry whether my eye contact is either too much or too little and as a result I lose focus on what the person is actually saying.
Anyone else have this problem?

Quote: (11-20-2016 09:11 PM)Chevalier De Seingalt Wrote:  

Quote: (11-08-2016 03:05 PM)younggun Wrote:  

It's the combination of social retardation via technology and third wave feminism. People are too awkward to have regular interaction so they use their phone as an excuse. The quick look might have been to make sure you weren't stare-raping her

These days young chicks with their phones are like Linus with his blanket.



Girls have admitted to me that when I made them nervous they would pretend to do something on their phone to "hide". When I think they're doing that I like to take their phones away, and force them to acknowledge the eye contact and physical chemistry.

Actually, taking their phones away is always a good idea regardless.

This can seem like they are not interested. How do we differentiate the nervous one from the uninterested ones? Especially important in daygame where IOIs are important.

Quote: (11-21-2016 03:06 AM)eddie_7 Wrote:  

Personally I've had trouble balancing focusing on listening to the person speak(which causes me to have little to no eye contact) vs making sure there is enough eye contact to show I'm listening. If I try to actively focus on making eye contact I tend to worry whether my eye contact is either too much or too little and as a result I lose focus on what the person is actually saying.
Anyone else have this problem?

If you give her pretty good eye contact, sometimes she will be at a loss of words or will not speak about stuff in depth because she might feel too flustered. Then you can start gaming her. But this will need practice on your posture and non-verbals and she has got to feel you at a pretty high level.

Also, feel free to change the topic after she has finished with a nod or a short reply. After you have generated some rapport, you dont really dont have to speak much I think. Lets us see what the more senior members have to say about this.

Quote: (11-21-2016 03:06 AM)eddie_7 Wrote:  

Personally I've had trouble balancing focusing on listening to the person speak(which causes me to have little to no eye contact) vs making sure there is enough eye contact to show I'm listening. If I try to actively focus on making eye contact I tend to worry whether my eye contact is either too much or too little and as a result I lose focus on what the person is actually saying.
Anyone else have this problem?

This is just a matter of practice. I used to have the same problem but once I gained more confidence it ceased to be an issue.

I guess like a lot of skills, the more stuff you can learn to do intuitively the less it appears that you're trying. Like a practised juggler compared to someone who's just got the hang of it.