Quote: (10-07-2015 05:45 PM)NovaVirtu Wrote:  

This whole shitstorm is basically the end of US credibility in the middle east for the foreseeable future.

Agreed. Gulf War One (my war), and the subsequent years, was the proper way to handle Iraq. Gulf War Two was not. The only way to recover the situation for USA now, which cannot and will not happen, would be to go back into Iraq with a proper occupying force and clean house and hold it. Only after that could real diplomacy and stability be achieved. Iraq is the arch stone of the Middle East.

This is smart what Putin is doing. He will get Russia some leverage for the US-Saudi pipeline that will ultimately be built. The US wanted the long, lazy war where they could just let the various factions slug it out and mop things up at the end, but now they'll have to make a side deal with Russia to give them a share of the oil money. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia ultimately double crosses Assad once that deal is negotiated.

Quote: (10-07-2015 06:06 PM)Sexus Wrote:  

Iraq is the arch stone of the Middle East.

Arches are rarely stable if their keystone consists of three dissimilar pieces.

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Syrian Girl - Why the Globalists Hate Syria

yrian Girl is a Sunni Muslim from Damascus in her late 20s, now living in Australia. She has a very popular YouTube channel, which she calls anti-neocon, anti-NWO and anti-Zionist. Our conversation begins with a comparison of Shiite and Sunni Muslims, and then we look at what life was like in Syria before the beautiful country in the heart of the Fertile Crescent was destabilized. Syrian Girl describes Syria’s relationship with its neighboring countries before the Zio-west invaded the Middle East, and she explains the oil pipeline conflict between Iran, Qatar and Syria that brought a money hungry war to the region. Then, we get into why Syria has been invaded, and we cover the eight reasons why the NWO hates Syria and the Socialist Nationalist ideals of the Ba’ath Party. We talk about the outside economic pressure that brought globalist capitalism and surges of foreign workers to the unique country, and we look at the long history of African migration into Europe through Syria. Syrian Girl points to the globalist conspiracy to destroy Nationalism via neo-colonialism and imperialism that is driving people out of their homelands. Further, we consider how multiculturalism is not working for Europe and why the humanitarians who are rallying for more refugees simply don’t understand the Zionist agenda behind the Muslim conflict with Europe. Syrian Girl discusses the demographics of Syrian exiles, along with the millions of internally displaced refugees that are living in camps within the country and in neighboring Jordan and Turkey. Later, Syrian Girl gives her take on Russia’s obliteration of ISIS forces this month, she explains the historical relationship between Russia and Syria, and we look at who is funding ISIS. At the end, we ponder what the Middle East would look like if the zio-west had never intervened.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio3fou...151007.php

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-te...al-n439941

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Iraq May Request Russian Airstrikes Against ISIS: Official

BAGHDAD — Iraq may request Russian airstrikes against ISIS on its soil soon and wants Moscow to have a bigger role than the United States in the war against the militant group, the head of parliament's defense and security committee said on Wednesday.

"We might be forced to ask Russia to launch airstrikes in Iraq soon," Hakim al-Zamili told Reuters. "I think the upcoming few days or weeks Iraq will be forced to ask Russia to launch air strikes and that depends on their success in Syria."

Iraq's government and powerful Iranian-backed Shiite militias question the United States' resolve in fighting ISIS militants, who control a third of the country. They say U.S.-led coalition airstrikes are ineffective.

Russian airstrikes against the government's opponents in Syria have raised hopes in Baghdad that Russia could become an effective partner against the ultra-hardline group.

"We are seeking to see Russia have a bigger role in Iraq. ... Yes, definitely a bigger role than the Americans," Zamili said.

Russia's intervention in the Middle East, including a new security and intelligence-sharing agreement with Iran, Iraq and Syria, has raised concerns in Washington that its former Cold War enemy is gaining clout in the oil-producing region.

Quote: (10-06-2015 11:48 PM)Vanguard Wrote:  

Iran a "proud nation"? Maybe, but I'd say it's more like a proud Shia Islamic Caliphate. Let's not forget that Iran is the number one state sponsor of Shia Islamic terrorism across the globe. They helped found Hezbollah and supplied Shia extremists in Iraq responsible for killing numerous American soldiers. They openly shout "Death to America" and "Death to Israel", while simultaneously developing nuclear weapons. (Don't tell me they only want nuclear energy. One of the most oil rich and seismically active nations on Earth doesn't need it). Iran also openly jails and hangs political dissidents and rigs elections to consolidate the power of radicals. And so I must ask: Is this really a nation worthy of supporting and praising? Is this a country that you would be comfortable living in? Is this a country that you can actually trust?

Yet, when Israel, the only non-Islamic and functioning democracy in the Middle East tries to protect itself from Iran and it's proxies you criticize them. How can you possibly justify that? Is it because you believe they're treating Palestine unfairly? If so, do you not understand that Palestine is yet another safe haven for Islamic radicals who cowardly hide behind women and children? And don't you think it's slightly hypocritical that you strongly condemn the Muslim invasion of Europe, yet support radical Islamic regimes?

Holy Fox News!!! First we need to ask I'd wager many participating in this thread see what Russia is doing is a good thing do you?

Do you think taking out Qaddafi was a good thing?

Why the fuck should I care about Israel? Because it's a functioning democracy?

Maybe I should care about Israel because of all the Israeli soldiers who fought valiantly alongside our boys in Iraq and Afghanistan. Wait.

I find myself flirting with the idea that the US and Israeli's really did create and fund ISIS in some way (black ops)...

And now rather than have anyone come out and admit to it, better to just let the Russians decimate them while trying to claim some moral high ground about freedom fighters and civilians dying. Russia takes of the little mess we and out greatest ally (in my faggy Sean Hannity voice) setup, and we can just dummy up and pretend nothing happened.

Trump wins election, buddies up with Putin and all maybe we can go back to Fortress America.

Iraq considering to ask for Russia's military help is a major diplomatic victory for the Russians. When Iraq switches sides and falls into Russia's sphere of influence (and that is already beginning to happen), we'll have a Syria-Iraq-Iran axis in the Middle East that will act as a counterweight to Saudi Arabia and other US stooges in the region.

If I were Putin, I'd watch out for possible retaliatory terrorist attacks on Russian soil. I doubt that the Qataris and the Saudis are going to sit and silently watch what is happening.

Video from the Russian command center:






Also - funny:





Of course it's all a farce - the US military could have easily done what the Russians do now. What is becoming apparent to many people around the world now is that the US had no intention of doing so or it was even worse than that - it was supporting the moderate beheaders the whole time. It is an utter disgrace and a slap in the face for every brave American soldiers who lost comrades in arms or was killed and wounded in the line of duty. It's as if their leaders went and took a dump on their graves and then gave it to the seriously wounded claiming it was chocolate.

This is great. Leave it to Putin to be the guy who actually does something about this situation. I'm in complete support of Russian action here.

Putin is damn smart and a true artist when it comes to making other "world leaders" looking like fools.

Putin might very well be opening the Pandoras Box when he shows the world about who ISIS really are.

I wonder what the members think about Saudi-Arabias future? They have been getting away with murder so to speak for a very long time, and should have been bombed to the middle-age according to US standards (for violation of human rights - the favorite excuse to bomb) Now they are stepping up their language (probably with support from US who at all cost will avoid a direct confrontation with Russia) entertaining the thought of backing rebel-groups attacked by Russia.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d1fb51ca-6cd6-...z3nzMEAjwa

Do you think Russia could attack Saudi-Arabia directly under any circumstances?

I wonder if we go back to a Cold War 2 if that would be such a bad thing. It created tension but WW3 didn't start either. Kind of an off tangent comment I know. But if Russia can regain some of its influence in the world maybe that wouldn't be a bad thing. Any party that is left unchecked is bound to make bad decisions through hubris.

Quote: (10-08-2015 10:04 AM)Chaos Wrote:  

Putin is damn smart and a true artist when it comes to making other "world leaders" looking like fools.

Quote: (10-08-2015 10:05 AM)Frekkesen Wrote:  

I wonder what the members think about Saudi-Arabias future? They have been getting away with murder so to speak for a very long time, and should have been bombed to the middle-age according to US standards (for violation of human rights - the favorite excuse to bomb) Now they are stepping up their language (probably with support from US who at all cost will avoid a direct confrontation with Russia) entertaining the thought of backing rebel-groups attacked by Russia.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d1fb51ca-6cd6-...z3nzMEAjwa

Do you think Russia could attack Saudi-Arabia directly under any circumstances?

So far this is not advertised or elaborated in detail, but since a totalitarian super-state in the form of Brave New World is the goal of the global elite, then it is clear that all theocratic Muslim states will have to go.

Essentially only countries like Lebanon will be allowed to remain "Muslim":



So in the end Saudi Arabia will either have to become like Lebanon or they will be wiped out. They are of course NATO & Israeli lapdogs and will do as they are told, but when the time comes, then they will be either reduced to a totally destructive civil war, have suddenly a major violent uprising, an Arab spring or will be attacked with full force by someone like NATO or their proxies. They have little to fear of Russia - that makes no sense whatsoever. Also the demise of Saudi Arabia may still be off a few decades, but it will come.

In my opinion they should become like Lebanon and enjoy the decline - they stand no chance against the true money power. Besides - it's no fun living in their system either with many men engaging in gay sex because they cannot get women and even young girls having lesbian orgies out of sexual frustration. Better join the glorious Lebanese parties:

Quote: (10-08-2015 10:05 AM)Frekkesen Wrote:  

Do you think Russia could attack Saudi-Arabia directly under any circumstances?

The world would be a better place if Russia accidentally drops a 50 megaton nuke on the Quatar and Saudi Arabia filth that fund, arm and encourage Sunni extremism.

Then the US and Russia can play a game of who can provide the EU with better oil options.

Quote: (10-08-2015 10:05 AM)Frekkesen Wrote:  

Do you think Russia could attack Saudi-Arabia directly under any circumstances?

Dont think so, but i think Russia does not need to attack S. Arabia to destroy it, lately the Saudis are doing it themself. The kingdom is in a very unstable time, with interna political turmoil and a very bad military campgain in Yemen wich is causing them to bleed men and equipment.

Now is the time for China to join the Russia/Iran/Syria axis militarily. That cements Assad's future and will leave Obama scrambling for a compromise which will not be conducted on his terms.

Has anyone heard any news coming out of China regarding Syria and getting involved?

Quote: (10-08-2015 11:27 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

...and even young girls having lesbian orgies out of sexual frustration.

More intel on that?

This article nails it squarely on the head

http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/rob-s...-so-cross/

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Just about the only truth that the West is telling in the current propaganda war is that Russia is not just targeting Isis. No they are not. They are also going after other groups like al-Nusra, which just happen to be stuffed with CIA trained jihadists. Our jihadists, in other words.

Quote: (10-08-2015 02:00 PM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  

Quote: (10-08-2015 11:27 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

...and even young girls having lesbian orgies out of sexual frustration.

More intel on that?

The Kingdom in the Closet

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A few years ago, a Jeddah- based newspaper ran a story on lesbianism in high schools, reporting that girls were having sex in the bathrooms. Yasmin, a 21-year-old student in Riyadh who’d had a brief sexual relationship with a girlfriend (and was the only Saudi woman who’d had a lesbian relationship who was willing to speak with me for this story), told me that one of the department buildings at her college is known as a lesbian enclave. The building has large bathroom stalls, which provide privacy, and walls covered with graffiti offering romantic and religious advice; tips include “she doesn’t really love you no matter what she tells you” and “before you engage in anything with [her] remember: God is watching you.” In Saudi Arabia, “It’s easier to be a lesbian [than a heterosexual]. There’s an overwhelming number of people who turn to lesbianism,” Yasmin said, adding that the number of men in the kingdom who turn to gay sex is even greater. “They’re not really homosexual,” she said. “They’re like cell mates in prison.”

Quote: (10-08-2015 02:00 PM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  

Quote: (10-08-2015 11:27 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

...and even young girls having lesbian orgies out of sexual frustration.

More intel on that?

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arch...et/305774/

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Yasmin, a 21-year-old student in Riyadh who’d had a brief sexual relationship with a girlfriend (and was the only Saudi woman who’d had a lesbian relationship who was willing to speak with me for this story), told me that one of the department buildings at her college is known as a lesbian enclave. The building has large bathroom stalls, which provide privacy, and walls covered with graffiti offering romantic and religious advice; tips include “she doesn’t really love you no matter what she tells you” and “before you engage in anything with [her] remember: God is watching you.” In Saudi Arabia, “It’s easier to be a lesbian [than a heterosexual]. There’s an overwhelming number of people who turn to lesbianism,” Yasmin said, adding that the number of men in the kingdom who turn to gay sex is even greater. “They’re not really homosexual,” she said. “They’re like cell mates in prison.”

Any gay man can make a fortune as a power-bottom since the men view it not as gay sex when they are doing the fucking and getting blowjobs. It's essentially a prison sexuality.

The article sounds credible enough and should really not surprise anyone. Suppressing the sexual desire can only be done via heavy heavy drugs - and for some people even ones that let you drool in the corner as your only activity. So of course sex is not going to be able to be suppressed. The wealthy guys buy escorts overseas, travel a lot and the less affluent engage in homosexuality despite not being gay or lesbians. So yeah - Saudi Arabia will blow up sooner or later. Currently they serve the global powers more when they are calm, but that powder keg of frustrated young people will blow up one day.

They should just go for it and go Lebanon, but I am afraid that they will dug their feet into the sand and the hard route will be applied on them by the global powers - they will get Islamist terror and civil war until the country is a shit-hole.

But .... we will see....

I just realized recently that even in the Arabic world the mood has shifted tremendously with a lot more butt-hurt extremist feelings being raised. A movie like Aladdin by Disney from 1994 would not be made anymore:



It's sad really.

Heh - @ Walterblack obviously read the same article.

Quote: (10-08-2015 12:44 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

Quote: (10-08-2015 10:05 AM)Frekkesen Wrote:  

Do you think Russia could attack Saudi-Arabia directly under any circumstances?

Dont think so, but i think Russia does not need to attack S. Arabia to destroy it, lately the Saudis are doing it themself. The kingdom is in a very unstable time, with interna political turmoil and a very bad military campain in Yemen wich is causing them to bleed men and equipment.

I seem to remember that during Soviet times, Russian military and intelligence people were very active in Yemen... Soviet Russia was the first to recognize the Yemeni Arab Republic... Maybe time has come for Russia to get involved in Yemen, again?

http://www.russia-direct.org/opinion/rus...omes-focus

Meanwhile, the Obama administration is apparently up to something:

https://www.rt.com/news/318107-obama-end...an-rebels/

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Meanwhile, a Pentagon official told The New York Times that the recruitment of so-called moderate Syrian rebels to go through training programs in Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates will end.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, added that a much smaller training center will be opened in Turkey, where a small number of “enablers” – mostly leaders of opposition groups – will be taught operational maneuvers, such as how to call in airstrikes.

Any thoughts on this? I'd say this means the US is conceding defeat in Syria. If this is true, they're probably going to try and make a move elsewhere.

Quote: (10-09-2015 02:39 PM)Khan Wrote:  

Any thoughts on this? I'd say this means the US is conceding defeat in Syria. If this is true, they're probably going to try and make a move elsewhere.

This will likely mean that the US will not recruit/train syrians to fight Assad but will just simply hand over money to existing groups after their leaders are "well vetted."

Its a further escalation of the conflict, a full on proxy war against Russia marketed as fighting ISIS.