[Quintus Curtius]

(10-06-2015 07:50 PM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  

Putin is one of the few red pill leaders that are left in the world. I used to love the guy until the Russian planes blatantly violated our airspace. Turkey is basically the only NATO member ally of Russia, we enjoy great relations with Russia. They're going to build both of our Nuclear Reactors. A year ago Turkey flat out refused to enforce sanctions on Russia which the USA requested. Now Putin is fucking with us, for what reason may I ask? Does he want to lose his only friend in the NATO?

Russia is not doing anything to "fuck with you." That is untrue. Russia is sending a message to the Turks: stop meddling with our ally.

Turkey's problem is that it is headed by an arrogant, delusional leader who picked a fight with Asad to score points with the West. Your president, Erdogan, is the cause of the problem. He fomented a destructive, apocalyptic insurgency to try to overthrow a nationalist, independent Syria.

He listened to Israel and the Americans about how easy it was for Asad to be overthrown. He found out otherwise.

He also has vain dreams of resurrecting the old Ottoman spheres of influence in the region. It was Erodogan who stabbed Syria in the back, in order to be loved by his masters in Washington.

He's also a Sunni bigot and takes a lot of investment money from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States. They are heavily, heavily invested in Turkey. He's in this up to his neck.

And I'm going to tell you something else you're not going to like.

Turkey has an identity problem. They want to be loved by the Europeans and Americans, and are willing to sell out their Arab neighbors. And you know what? No matter how much Turkey kisses ass, Europe and America will never accept them. They will use them and throw them away. Because they're Muslim and they're Asiatic.

If Turkey were smart, they would follow Iran's lead: independence comes with a high price, but you still can retain your self-respect.



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[Turkish Republican]

(10-06-2015 08:03 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 07:50 PM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  

Putin is one of the few red pill leaders that are left in the world. I used to love the guy until the Russian planes blatantly violated our airspace. Turkey is basically the only NATO member ally of Russia, we enjoy great relations with Russia. They're going to build both of our Nuclear Reactors. A year ago Turkey flat out refused to enforce sanctions on Russia which the USA requested. Now Putin is fucking with us, for what reason may I ask? Does he want to lose his only friend in the NATO?

Russia is not doing anything to "fuck with you." That is untrue. Russia is sending a message to the Turks: stop meddling with our ally.

Turkey's problem is that it is headed by an arrogant, delusional leader who picked a fight with Asad to score points with the West. Your president, Erdogan, is the cause of the problem. He fomented a destructive, apocalyptic insurgency to try to overthrow a nationalist, independent Syria.

He listened to Israel and the Americans about how easy it was for Asad to be overthrown. He found out otherwise.

He also has vain dreams of resurrecting the old Ottoman spheres of influence in the region. It was Erodogan who stabbed Syria in the back, in order to be loved by his masters in Washington.

He's also a Sunni bigot and takes a lot of investment money from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States. They are heavily, heavily invested in Turkey. He's in this up to his neck.

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Erdogan was cool with Assad until he started massacring his own people. Unlike the West Erdogan is not a hypocrite when it comes to human rights. I don't believe that the guys in Washington or the West want to topple Assad. If they wanted him toppled, he would of been long gone, just like Gadhafi. Why didn't NATO impose a no fly zone in Syria so Assad wouldn't bomb his people?

What the west and Russia wants to do is, make sure the war drags on forever so they can continue selling weapons to both sides. I don't think the west or Russia has the intention to stop this war. The only guy who is frank about it is Erdogan.

The only people that stand to benefit from this war is the investors of Lockeed Martin and the likes. Normal people in the west will get fucked with the migration that will happen after the war, thousands maybe millions of displaced people in Syria will end up in Europe while the investors of Lockeed Martin,Almaz-Antey,Uralvagonzavod makes bank.

The top 1% that will benefit from this will spend their money on hookers,drugs , heck we'll see their kids with the tag #richkidsofinstagram blowing the war money on cruises and yachts.

Anyway, this topic is about to get derailed. So lets end the discussion right here.

[Quintus Curtius]

You said this:

Erdogan was cool with Assad until he started massacring his own people. Unlike the West Erdogan is not a hypocrite when it comes to human rights. I don't believe that the guys in Washington or the West want to topple Assad. If they wanted him toppled, he would of been long gone, just like Gadhafi. Why didn't NATO impose a no fly zone in Syria so Assad wouldn't bomb his people?


And I say:

Nonsense.

"Massacring his own people"? Are you kidding? What was Asad supposed to do, let himself be overthrown by an armed insurgency, funded and aided by Israel and the West?

If anything, he was too lenient. He should have smashed the rebellion immediately with an iron fist.

If you don't think that the West wants to replace the regime in Damascus, then you're not sufficiently informed of Middle East politics for it to be worth my continuing this dialogue.

As for "no-fly zones": no sovereign state can accept this sort of encroachment on its territory.

No fly zones are acts of war. No fly-zones are simply pretexts that the Americans use as a prelude to overthrowing regimes it doesn't like, just like it did in Iraq and Libya.

No country has a right to tell Syria how to run its internal affairs. Least of all Turkey, who can't even come to grips with its own history and identity.

And as for Erdogan being a paragon of human rights: no, he is not. He's just like all the other authoritarians that have been running the show in Ankara for the past 70 years.

This is a guy who is waging nonstop war against the Kurds, who constitute a significant portion of Turkey's internal population. Can a Kurd speak Kurdish in Turkey without being harassed? No. Can a journalist report the truth without being killed? No.

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[Turkish Republican]

Erdogan was cool with Assad until he started massacring his own people. Unlike the West Erdogan is not a hypocrite when it comes to human rights. I don't believe that the guys in Washington or the West want to topple Assad. If they wanted him toppled, he would of been long gone, just like Gadhafi. Why didn't NATO impose a no fly zone in Syria so Assad wouldn't bomb his people?
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Can a Kurd speak Kurdish in Turkey without being harassed? No. Can a journalist report the truth without being killed? No.

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You're speaking just like the SJW warriors. We have had a Kurd president, Turgut Ozal. Our last minister of defence was a kurd. There is a government channel that broadcasts in Kurdish. You guys are all being told lies about Turkey. Anyone can speak Kurdish here without being harrased. Yes Kurds have had some hardships, but not in the last 10 years.

This is the ideology of the seperatist Kurdish Terrorism Group:

Kurdish nationalism
Libertarian socialism
Libertarian municipalism
Democratic confederalism
Communalism
Feminism

Sound familar?

[Saga]

(10-06-2015 08:08 PM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  

Erdogan was cool with Assad until he started massacring his own people.

You mean until Assad's position was severely destabilized during a civil war (the predictable and context-ignoring "massacring his own people" line always ignores that part of it...I suppose you'd also claim that the US "massacred its own people" at Antietam and Gettysburg, right?) and Erdogan spied an opportunity to increase his sphere of power at the expense of his neighbors.

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Unlike the West Erdogan is not a hypocrite when it comes to human rights.

Yes, he promotes human rights by allying himself with that exemplar of liberty, Saudi Arabia.

The really rich part is where you already admitted you have no qualms with the possibility that Erdogan supported ISIS, the most inhumane group of people in the known universe...yet you want to tell us just how pro-human rights you are.

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I don't believe that the guys in Washington or the West want to topple Assad.

Except toppling Assad has consistently been articulated among western demands and backed up by their actions (funding opposition, failing to dissuade allies from funding opposition, etc). But perhaps you can convince us they don't really mean it.

[Geomann180]

(10-06-2015 07:50 PM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  

Putin is one of the few red pill leaders that are left in the world. I used to love the guy until the Russian planes blatantly violated our airspace. Turkey is basically the only NATO member ally of Russia, we enjoy great relations with Russia. They're going to build both of our Nuclear Reactors. A year ago Turkey flat out refused to enforce sanctions on Russia which the USA requested. Now Putin is fucking with us, for what reason may I ask? Does he want to lose his only friend in the NATO?

By what source are you going on?

You sound like a concern troll.

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[Turkish Republican]

Saga, USA is the undisputed super power of the world. If they wanted Assad gone, there is no way he could of clinged on to power in the last 2 years. This war is fueling the defence industry, the west, the US, Europe are covertly supporting the continuation of the war. Where is ISIS getting their weapons and bombs from? The guys have access to everything from mines to to RPGs.

[Geomann180]

^I think you're a shill.

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[Saga]

(10-06-2015 08:28 PM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  

Saga, USA is the undisputed super power of the world. If they wanted Assad gone, there is no way he could of clinged on to power in the last 2 years. This war is fueling the defence industry, the west, the US, Europe are covertly supporting the continuation of the war. Where is ISIS getting their weapons and bombs from? The guys have access to everything from mines to to RPGs.

The US is indeed powerful but not omnipotent. Washington has wanted the Castros gone for almost 60 years, yet they're still there. It wasn't a magic trick, geopolitics has many facets beyond what the US wants.

Assad was allied with Iran and Russia when the civil war started...seriously upping the ante for any potential direct US involvement. Moreover Obama didn't have the political capital for such a big move without risking massive repercussions: after the British refused to jump on the war wagon the US stopped rattling the saber quite quickly because it realized just how much a geopolitical and diplomatic catastrophe an intervention would be.

To compare Syria (2010 population: 21.5 million) to Libya (2010 population 6.0 million) is folly.

[Turkish Republican]

(10-06-2015 08:39 PM)Saga Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 08:28 PM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  

Saga, USA is the undisputed super power of the world. If they wanted Assad gone, there is no way he could of clinged on to power in the last 2 years. This war is fueling the defence industry, the west, the US, Europe are covertly supporting the continuation of the war. Where is ISIS getting their weapons and bombs from? The guys have access to everything from mines to to RPGs.

The US is indeed powerful but not omnipotent. Washington has wanted the Castros gone for almost 60 years, yet they're still there. It wasn't a magic trick, geopolitics has many facets beyond what the US wants.

Assad was allied with Iran and Russia when the civil war started...seriously upping the ante for any potential direct US involvement. Moreover Obama didn't have the political capital for such a big move without risking massive repercussions: after the British refused to jump on the war wagon the US stopped rattling the saber quite quickly because it realized just how much a geopolitical and diplomatic catastrophe an intervention would be.

To compare Syria (2010 population: 21.5 million) to Libya (2010 population 6.0 million) is folly.

There was an incredible opportunity for the USA to topple Assad, his own Sunni population revolted against him, sect war started. Syria is a sunni majority state north of 70% of the population is Sunni. The only thing US needed to do was to impose a no fly zone, and arm the opposition. But what did they do? They trained the opposition and armed them, but they did not impose the no fly zone.

I hate belieivng conspiracy theories, but I seriously think there is a hidden agenda behind this.

By the way, Erdogan should of had no part in this, he shouldn't of meddled with Syrias internal affairs, on that part I agree. Turkey did not actively support ISIS, this the BS that the SJW western media is shooting at you. The only thing we did was not to actively pursue them, ISIS isnt our biggest threat, the PKK is.

Everytime a war stops here in the middle east., a new one erupts, some people are filling their pockets thanks to these wars.

[Big Nilla]

Bona Fide and Turkish Republican, your views in this thread...



And Turkish, you should concentrate your concern on the USA/Israel using Kurds to dismember Turkey, not Russia. You think Israel wants any strong, united independent-minded countries in the region? Enjoy the neocon's map outline of what your country would eventually be IF Russia wasn't in the region saving Syria with the side benefit of saving Turkey (or at least delaying Turkey's breakup if Erdogan is smart enough to reverse course instead of doubling down) from Erdogan's shortsighted stupidity.

   

[Saga]

(10-06-2015 08:43 PM)Turkish Republican Wrote:  

There was an incredible opportunity for the USA to topple Assad, his own Sunni population revolted against him, sect war started. Syria is a sunni majority state north of 70% of the population is Sunni. The only thing US needed to do was to impose a no fly zone, and arm the opposition. But what did they do? They trained the opposition and armed them, but they did not impose the no fly zone.

Imposing a no fly zone is direct involvement (as it requires aerial interception), which for several reasons was a big gamble that Obama evidently wasn't willing to take.

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By the way, Erdogan should of had no part in this, he shouldn't of meddled with Syrias internal affairs, on that part I agree. Turkey did not actively support ISIS, this the BS that the SJW western media is shooting at you. The only thing we did was not to actively pursue them, ISIS isnt our biggest threat, the PKK is.

I see, we agree that Erdogan should have stayed out of Syrian affairs. However, I think Erdogan is playing with matches when he tacitly uses ISIS (which very likely does get funding from the gulf states) and other rebel groups (many of which also hold crazed ideologies) as a counterweight. It's deeply unwise to allow a monster to fester simply because one thinks the monster will only attack one's foes. Does Turkey even need ISIS to effectively counter Kurdish insurgents? I think not.

[Big Nilla]

Reports are Russia shot down 2 American missiles in the Mediterranean 2 years ago right after Assad agreed to give up his chemical weapons. That type of reaction would pause the US on the no fly zone. But, hey, about 2-3 months later things in Ukraine magically started to happen.

[The Truth]

Edit: Responding to this earlier post by "Bona fide". The other quotes got all messed up.
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The revolution in Ukraine has happened simply because Yanukovich became too arrogant. As of 2012 it has become impossible to have any business in Ukraine as corruption was mind blowing.People have been kidnapped, businesses were closing because the extortion was unbearable.

West and USA do not play any role in it.If US was indeed so vicious in Ukraine they could supply some weapons at least.They haven not,despite the please from Ukrainian government and general public.There were some Canadian instructors training with Ukrainian but this is mainly due to historic ties between Canada and Ukraine (Ukrainians are historically the third ethnic minority in Canada).I am well informed on the state of Ukrainian armed forces and weapons and the only western weapons Ukraine has is non-lethal (like mines detection radars) and some old scrapped Saxon armored vehicles which Ukraine bought from the UK (they are practically given away).

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Uh...The USA did NOT play a role in Ukraine? No disrespect man but based on the views you've been expressing here on Syria and now Ukraine you should really read through all the posts in this thread and some of the many posts under the Ukraine thread. You seem to be repeating a lot of mainstream Western media talking points, except that these points have been repeatedly proven to be false here. Go ahead and check this out:

And this is just a LEAKED phone call, and also a story that was not heavily circulated through the Western MSM. Yet it is so clearly shows that the American government is carefully managing the future of the Ukrainian government. Who knows how many more countless phone calls and emails there are that aren't leaked?

[greekgod]

(10-06-2015 06:45 PM)Bona fide Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 05:34 PM)Guitarman Wrote:  

I really think we've reached the point in the UK and USA where our own governments are the enemy and Putin and the Russians are looking like friends of the ordinary person.

Unless you a Russian of course.Because the intervention against radical muslims in a Farawaystan nobody-cares-about for ordinary Russians means just two things:
-less money for ordinary Russians (majority of whom already live in absolute poverty),forget about healthcare,pensions etc
-the bloody terror will return to the streets of Russia.Expect explosions, suicide bombers etc in Russian towns pretty soon.

The memories of the pointless war in Afganistan and catastrophic campaigns in Chechnya are still strong among Russians.

This intervention will deliver 0 strategic results, as the war in Afganistan in 80s did. It will cost Russia dearly, both financially and in manpower. It might even be a final spark and ignite some sort of a coup-d-étate in Russia. Russia has already suffered serious setbacks and loses in Ukraine. Syria will be the final drop IMO.The propaganda machine there is strong but so was the Soviet propaganda machine.

Basically what we have here is a small minded man pissed off that nobody has been taking him serious in the west for a long time. People guessing what is Russia's hidden agenda in Syria. I think there is none.Support Assad just to spit in US face.Nothing more than that.

This is simply misinformed. Russia has had a Mediterranean port in Syra for over 50 years. Do you really think they are going to let western powers subvert a friendly gov't in the region, lose a port, and a serious economic asset that is key to their nation's #1 industry?

I have no knowledge of why countries fight attempt to influence Afghanistan and don't really find that to be relevant to the current situation. Afghanistan is a graveyard and to be honest, the world needs balance, what Russia is doing is healthy for the economic ecosystem long term.

[DeepGreen]

What happened in Ukraine and what is happening in Syria is all about isolating Russia. Sadly, virtually all of the politicians in the West are both malicious and incompetent. The whole point of Maidan was to bring Ukraine closer into the EU's orbit, most likely to prep it for accession to the EU as well, and most importantly to deny Russia its warmwater port in the Crimean Peninsula, pipeline access and control was probably a secondary objective since there are other pipelines carrying gas from Russia to the EU..

Of course the US and EU fumbled it, with the EU getting caught in the middle and being played for saps, as they usually are. Russia sits back, lets Maidan fuck things up, asserts de facto control over Crimea by annexing it, thus keeping its warmwater port and denying Ukraine and by extension the would be US/EU puppet masters a very strategic piece of land. And as a bonus Ukraine plunges into civil giving Russia more opportunities to spread its influence, and even if it doesn't annex more parts of, or all of Ukraine outright several breakaway republics(Republic of Donbas anyone?) Can be supported and formed, possibly even turning West Ukraine into a landlocked country and by extension a future economic basket case to boot that the EU and US will have to deal with.

Syria, same thing. There is a naval base at Tartus in Syria, this has already been mentioned, but once the dust settles and the maps are redrawn according to the West's desires, the plan would be to build an alternate pipeline ending in Syria thus decreasing their dependency on Russian gas. But once again Russia steps into the chaos, they will most likely keep their naval base, reestablish control in Syria, checkmate the West's desired pipeline, as well as having access to Syria's oil reserves, meanwhile coming out as heroes to the surrounding countries for putting an end to ISIS, which they have sent into disarray with as many as 600 mercenaries fleeing back home after deserting ISIS. Meanwhile the West is left holding its dick in the corner like a sperg at gangbang.

One thing that isn't getting a lot of attention in the MSM(surprise surprise) are the European fighters who are fighting on both sides of the Ukrainian conflict.

As early as 2014 there were reports of European fighters in Ukraine.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28951324

But of course the EU's resident village idiot just had to declare that any assertions of European fighters in Ukraine were baseless:

https://www.rt.com/news/231915-eu-mercen...aine-tusk/

Only to have to eat his words a few days later as Spain arrests 8 of its own nationals for fighting with pro-Russian forces:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/fe...eparatists

But that's just the tip of a very large iceberg:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/fe...eparatists

https://www.rt.com/news/179240-spanish-v...n-ukraine/

https://www.rt.com/news/183864-ukraine-e...-fighting/

https://www.rt.com/news/226079-ukraine-f...-mariupol/

The real question is what happens when these experienced fighters return home and find their countries overrun with "refugees" who want to Islamify their homelands via hijrah? Interesting times indeed, gentlemen.

[aeroektar]

Apparently Russia is dropping these flyers all over Syria, fucking amazing.

[Vanguard]

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[N°6]

(10-06-2015 02:50 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Ah - but of course it's all a ruse:

The country which considers itself the most Christian on Earth needs to take a good look at itself. It cares far more about Judaism than Christianity across the world. Christians in the Middle East should not take it too seriously, as Ann Coulter observed, the US cares about Israel's borders more than its own. Conservative Christians in the West however need to take stock of the fact that Christianity is now the most persecuted religion in the world.

Report: Christianity Most Persecuted Faith Worldwide

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/doug-b...-worldwide

The Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church in Syria has appealed to Obama to stop backing the jihad against the dwindling Christian population of the land of St. Paul. Don't you think he has also appealed to Putin who has apologised to the Russian Church for what the state did to it from the Bolshevik Revolution?

Obama even admitted that Assad is the defender of Syrian Christians. The Christian leadership says Christianity is nearly exterminated in Syria. What then does this say about Obama?

[greekgod]

(10-06-2015 11:48 PM)Vanguard Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 03:01 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

And this is why whiny, scared rat Netanyahu shows up at the UN to cry and whine. He can't stand the fact that Iran is a proud nation and takes orders from no one. He can't stand the fact that his little nest of vipers is no longer going to be the dictator of the Middle East, bombing and killing at will. Which is what he and his country wants.

Iran a "proud nation"? Maybe, but I'd say it's more like a proud Shia Islamic Caliphate. Let's not forget that Iran is the number one state sponsor of Shia Islamic terrorism across the globe. They helped found Hezbollah and supplied Shia extremists in Iraq responsible for killing numerous American soldiers. They openly shout "Death to America" and "Death to Israel", while simultaneously developing nuclear weapons. (Don't tell me they only want nuclear energy. One of the most oil rich and seismically active nations on Earth doesn't need it). Iran also openly jails and hangs political dissidents while simultaneously rigging elections to consolidate the power of radicals. And so I must ask: Is this really a nation worthy of supporting and praising? Is this a country that you would be comfortable living in? Is this a country that you can actually trust?

Yet, when Israel, the only non-Islamic and functioning democracy in the Middle East tries to protect itself from Iran and it's proxies you criticize them. How can you possibly justify that? Is it because you believe they're treating Palestine unfairly? If so, do you not understand that Palestine is yet another safe haven for Islamic radicals who cowardly hide behind women and children? And don't you think it's slightly hypocritical that you strongly condemn the Muslim invasion of Europe, yet support radical Islamic regimes?

#1 sponsor of terror according to who? The MSM? Last I checked the global eyes are all glued on the terrorism flavor of the month which is, ISIS. Which is sponsored by? The West.

Rigged elections? Corrupt government? Gee, does that sound familiar? Oh, I don't know. Does corporate lobbying improve our lives? Is there any accountability at the highest levels of gov't? Is there any transparency? Its the same everywhere.

Israel, and every country should protect itself. Its the whole antagonistic, provocations for corporate and globalist goals that upset people, just a wee bit. They aren't acting in their populations best interests, they are stirring the pot to keep the campaign donations coming and non-profits afloat with those big 5 and 6 figure speech fees.

If they are Muslim, why do they need to flee Islamic rule? Don't they plan on keeping their faith where they go? Don't they expect their host nation's to provide food, shelter, and religious accommodations in the short term? And in the long term, don't they assume, albeit demand, the culture will bend to their will, "god willing"? People have problems with it because they are running away from countries that are set up for their lifestyles to thrive in. Additionally, they are an economic net negative, a cultural cancer, and will just massive social upheaval.

And, they are running, because the west has tried to overturn multiple countries which led to this refugee population being uprooted.

Try this exercise; why are people running? Because there is war everywhere. Why is there war everywhere? Because countries are manufacturing threats so they have the guise of being able to intervene. Why are countries intervening? Because the politicians think its a good idea. Why do the politicians think its a good idea? Because they are corrupt and are bought and paid for.

Now the big question, who stands to benefit from complete upheaval?

[Quintus Curtius]

(10-06-2015 11:48 PM)Vanguard Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 03:01 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

And this is why whiny, scared rat Netanyahu shows up at the UN to cry and whine. He can't stand the fact that Iran is a proud nation and takes orders from no one. He can't stand the fact that his little nest of vipers is no longer going to be the dictator of the Middle East, bombing and killing at will. Which is what he and his country wants.

Iran a "proud nation"? Maybe, but I'd say it's more like a proud Shia Islamic Caliphate. Let's not forget that Iran is the number one state sponsor of Shia Islamic terrorism across the globe. They helped found Hezbollah and supplied Shia extremists in Iraq responsible for killing numerous American soldiers. They openly shout "Death to America" and "Death to Israel", while simultaneously developing nuclear weapons. (Don't tell me they only want nuclear energy. One of the most oil rich and seismically active nations on Earth doesn't need it). Iran also openly jails and hangs political dissidents and rigs elections to consolidate the power of radicals. And so I must ask: Is this really a nation worthy of supporting and praising? Is this a country that you would be comfortable living in? Is this a country that you can actually trust?

Yet, when Israel, the only non-Islamic and functioning democracy in the Middle East tries to protect itself from Iran and it's proxies you criticize them. How can you possibly justify that? Is it because you believe they're treating Palestine unfairly? If so, do you not understand that Palestine is yet another safe haven for Islamic radicals who cowardly hide behind women and children? And don't you think it's slightly hypocritical that you strongly condemn the Muslim invasion of Europe, yet support radical Islamic regimes?

To your whole post, I have this to say:



Your shaming tactics, your scare tactics, and your CNN talking points don't work on me. My guess is that you're a typical plant inserted on internet forums to run interference on behalf of Israeli propaganda. Your bio has no information about your location or origin.

Iran resists Israeli and American efforts to dominate and exploit the region. You hate that, of course.

Iran and Hezbollah fight on behalf of the underdog, the downtrodden, the oppressed, and the marginalized. Israel and America are the bullying, arrogant powers, seeking to push their corruption and control over everyone else. Iran has every right to help protect its fellow Shia co-religionists, since they have been oppressed and exploited by Sunni regimes in the region for centuries.

Iran acts in its national interests, just as Israel does. It has been subjected to decades of Israeli and American subversion, assassinations, and embargoes.

Hezbollah is the resistance that Israel can't defeat. And you know it. They protect Lebanon from Israeli subversion and aggression. You invaded Lebanon in the 1980s and got your asses handed to you. And it will happen again. That's why you get other countries to do your dirty work for you.

Nuclear energy? Iran has every right to have everything Israel has. When Israel gives up its nuclear program, then come and talk to me.

Israel is no democracy, as you know. It's a state existing for the privilege of a few. It has nothing to offer the Middle East as a whole, except a paranoid, neurotic conception of itself as superior. Israel wants chaos in the Middle East so that it can continue its annexationist policies.

So that's what I think.

[flightofdeath]

I don't get why Russia is wasting it's resources on this "war". The US, Israel and their allies created ISIS. They were never failing at trying to destroy it, they just never wanted to.

[Quintus Curtius]

(10-06-2015 11:27 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  

Apparently Russia is dropping these flyers all over Syria, fucking amazing.

The caption on this poster reads "Al-Nusra terrorists: mercenaries of America and Israel"

Spot on.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(10-06-2015 08:34 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

^I think you're a shill.

G

I second that - he has all the hallmarks of a shill, but some guys are brainwashed like that. Gaddafi and Assad after decades suddenly "slaughtering" their people? Go back to the mainstream - you will get a good dose of propaganda from them and feel good about the world again.

[Wrec]

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