Quote: (09-04-2015 12:27 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

The way I look at it, we wouldn't have this immigration nonsense if people can at least have the basic necessities of life covered.

Can you briefly explain the reasoning behind your position here? It is a bold statement.

Landmine the borders and end the welfare state. That will eliminate the undesirables. Solutions can be simple.

Quote: (09-04-2015 12:27 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

The question I have about all of this is and forgive me for being naive but why isn't the world doing more to improve living standards in the third world? The way I look at it, we wouldn't have this immigration nonsense if people can at least have the basic necessities of life covered. Civil war aside for a second, are things in Syria, Algeria, Turkey etc that bad that these people can't wait to get out?

The world powers can get together and easily solve this problem or am I wrong? I'm no talking socialism, but let's at least make these places livable for the love of christ. Yes, I understand the first-world may not have any sort of obligation to do any of this but just for the sake of morality. That way Muslims can do their thing, and we can do ours. Win-win.

How is this possible when you've got ruthless dictators all over the world making life hell for these people?

The third-world is poor primarily because of politics. Shit political leaders who ruin the country for their own gain. The only way to improve the third-world is through warfare and colonialism, but hey, colonialism is evil right? Instead we need to let the third-world fester and then invade our countries instead.

I see two outcomes: either Europe becomes non-white shit-land like middle-east, or the we will witness the most brutal genocide in history if extreme right wing groups get to power when the natives are desperate.

Both are catastrophes.

Quote: (09-04-2015 10:34 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2015 09:50 AM)rhino Wrote:  

c) "At a Berlin church, Muslim refugees converting in droves"

Apostasy is no easy feat for a Muslim and is punishable by death in many countries. Immigrants prepared to leave Islam are showing a genuine commitment to western values. Perhaps they should make conversion to Christianity conditional for any (economic) asylum claim.

Its interesting to note that the immigrants apostatizing are the Persians. Iranians are Shiite Muslims, many of which are not as hardcore about their religion as Sunnis. By converting, they can now claim they will be put to death if they return to their home country. European countries will not deport someone who faces the death penalty back home.

Quote: (09-04-2015 12:37 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The third-world is poor primarily because of politics. Shit political leaders who ruin the country for their own gain. The only way to improve the third-world is through warfare and colonialism, but hey, colonialism is evil right? Instead we need to let the third-world fester and then invade our countries instead.

This is an ugly truth.

These people left to their own devices will never pull themselves up.

I honestly think the answer in the future will be to have enough cheap drones and robotic troops to literally become the space aliens that invade and just execute all the corrupt powers that be and put these nations under martial law until they learn to become civilized.

I don't think anyone likes the thought of that, that will be the way though.

Quote: (09-04-2015 12:37 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The third-world is poor primarily because of politics. Shit political leaders who ruin the country for their own gain. The only way to improve the third-world is through warfare and colonialism, but hey, colonialism is evil right? Instead we need to let the third-world fester and then invade our countries instead.

Unfortunately, I believe you are exactly right with this.

Also the third-world did not develop with the ideas of the Enlightenment such as free speech, private property, liberty etc.

But then what is the solution? We don't take in these immigrants but we send them back to their countries knowing that their situations will never improve? It's fucked up but it may be the only way to keep peace.

EDIT: what Travesty said

Quote: (09-04-2015 12:41 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2015 10:34 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2015 09:50 AM)rhino Wrote:  

c) "At a Berlin church, Muslim refugees converting in droves"

Apostasy is no easy feat for a Muslim and is punishable by death in many countries. Immigrants prepared to leave Islam are showing a genuine commitment to western values. Perhaps they should make conversion to Christianity conditional for any (economic) asylum claim.

Its interesting to note that the immigrants apostatizing are the Persians. Iranians are Shiite Muslims, many of which are not as hardcore about their religion as Sunnis. By converting, they can now claim they will be put to death if they return to their home country. European countries will not deport someone who faces the death penalty back home.

This is feel-good bullshit being churned out by the media so viewers will say "oh look at ALL these Muslims are willing to become Christians and integregrate into our society! They aren't so bad after all!"

^^ Haven't you watched the marble tower video?

By raw numbers we will never be able to take in enough to help much.

And usually the ones with the brains and balls to escape are also the best ones to help their own country, in fact making things worse for those home countries.

And before anyone tries to turn this into a racial issue....

this issue is all about nurture (culture) and NOT nature. It's about chemistry, not biology..

Let it be known, as a random example, as a White European, I have more in common with an everyday Black Jamaican than I do with an everyday White Albanian. Let that sink in for a while.

But I do lament the loss of "White" cultural space... not because I'm racist, but because I'm pragmatist. The world's greatest breakthroughs have been achieved by Whites (including betas, and yes including "regular" Jews) as imperfect as we all are... so as we move away from that model I'm naturally scared for my progeny and the future of this world, because I don't know what will that world looked like when run by multicultural conglomerate of Zionists, Sharia zombies, high testostetone/lo iq retards and radical feminists. I'm open minded and willing to be convinced but by all indications we are in for a bumpy ride to the bottom.

Quote: (09-04-2015 12:40 PM)Glaucon Wrote:  

I see two outcomes: either Europe becomes non-white shit-land like middle-east, or the we will witness the most brutal genocide in history if extreme right wing groups get to power when the natives are desperate.

Both are catastrophes.

If things aren't changed soon, then yes we are heading for a return to the dark ages and fast. There is still time to fix things but it depends on the next few election cycles. Either hard right-wing groups are elected to clean up this mess or Europe will dissolve into Muslim and non-Muslim territories engaged in endless war.

I don't think the right-wing groups need to engage in genocide though unless things become super desperate far into the future. It really depends on when the right-wingers are elected. If they are elected in 2080 when Whites are 30% of the population then yes it will probably be genocide or bust. But if they are elected by 2020 then it will be peaceful deportation.

Also, however, remember that Europe was built on the backs of incredibly violent men... because violence is the law of God. The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must. And this is how God made the world so either abide by His rules or suffer with the weak.

Quote: (09-04-2015 12:51 PM)rhino Wrote:  

And before anyone tries to turn this into a racial issue....

this issue is all about nurture (culture) and NOT nature. It's about chemistry, not biology..

Let it be known, as a random example, as a White European, I have more in common with an everyday Black Jamaican than I do with an everyday White Albanian. Let that sink in for a while.

But I do lament the loss of "White" cultural space... not because I'm racist, but because I'm pragmatist. The world's greatest breakthroughs have been achieved by Whites (including betas, and yes including "regular" Jews) as imperfect as we all are... so as we move away from that model I'm naturally scared for my progeny and the future of this world, because I don't know what will that world looked like when run by multicultural conglomerate of Zionists, Sharia zombies, high testostetone/lo iq retards and radical feminists. I'm open minded and willing to be convinced but by all indications we are in for a bumpy ride to the bottom.

Yeah, but how far can you separate culture from race? Or to put it another way, how far can you separate culture from biology?

And are you saying Jamaicans are Christian while Albanians are muslim?

Quote: (09-04-2015 12:46 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2015 12:41 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2015 10:34 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2015 09:50 AM)rhino Wrote:  

c) "At a Berlin church, Muslim refugees converting in droves"

Apostasy is no easy feat for a Muslim and is punishable by death in many countries. Immigrants prepared to leave Islam are showing a genuine commitment to western values. Perhaps they should make conversion to Christianity conditional for any (economic) asylum claim.

Its interesting to note that the immigrants apostatizing are the Persians. Iranians are Shiite Muslims, many of which are not as hardcore about their religion as Sunnis. By converting, they can now claim they will be put to death if they return to their home country. European countries will not deport someone who faces the death penalty back home.

This is feel-good bullshit being churned out by the media so viewers will say "oh look at ALL these Muslims are willing to become Christians and integregrate into our society! They aren't so bad after all!"

How can any European trust their mostly state-run media at this point? Are they THAT brainwashed?

In the US yeah it's bad too, and almost all of the private mainstream media is completely in the globalist/feminist/progressive bag, but at least a lot of people know that they are being lied to day in and day out and they have some alternative sources. I really wonder about the average European though - I don't get the sense that they are used to sifting through the lies (outside the former Warsaw Pact EU members, who are the only ones making sense now) and thus tend to take things at face value (which is exactly wrong most of the time).

Quote: (09-04-2015 12:51 PM)rhino Wrote:  

And before anyone tries to turn this into a racial issue....

this issue is all about nurture (culture) and NOT nature. It's about chemistry, not biology..

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Let it be known, as a random example, as a White European, I have more in common with an everyday Black Jamaican than I do with an everyday White Albanian. Let that sink in for a while.

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not because I'm racist

Who cares? By saying these thing's you're buying into the left's frame.

Quote: (09-04-2015 12:53 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

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There is still time to fix things but it depends on the next few election cycles. Either hard right-wing groups are elected to clean up this mess

There's no time. International bankers have been operating behind the scenes for so long precisely to ensure that anything and anyone that doesn't dances to their tune will be financially destroyed/unable to mount anything of significance.

And while some reactionary Whites salivate of prospects about returning to glory through some form of revolution/armed struggle I'm afraid that won't be possible because in order to fight you need to have money (means) and logistics... NONE which is in their hands, nor will be.

Quote: (09-04-2015 12:59 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

Quote: (09-04-2015 12:51 PM)rhino Wrote:  

And before anyone tries to turn this into a racial issue....

this issue is all about nurture (culture) and NOT nature. It's about chemistry, not biology..

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Let it be known, as a random example, as a White European, I have more in common with an everyday Black Jamaican than I do with an everyday White Albanian. Let that sink in for a while.

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not because I'm racist

Who cares? By saying these thing's you're buying into the left's frame.

Yeah. And Maybe I do. Which only shows the level of implication.

Quote: (09-04-2015 01:10 PM)rhino Wrote:  

And while some reactionary Whites salivate of prospects about returning to glory through some form of revolution/armed struggle I'm afraid that won't be possible because in order to fight you need to have money (means) and logistics... NONE which is in their hands, nor will be.

Not so sure about that. Guerrilla warfare has been around forever. And you make it sound like every country in Europe is committing suicide when in fact it is only about half.

All this mess because white people are afraid of being called "racist."

If the Detroit riots are any metric, the reactionaries will be put down by the government. Less than half a percent of immigrants died in those "intense" riots. The government moved in to restore the status quo. Many people were jailed.

Look at it today. Completely ineffectual.

This has been the plan forever by oligarchs, bring chaos everywhere, profit from it and wait until the peoples ask for a one world government. I used to laugh at this idea but it's happening and very fast. Look at what they've done with former Yougoslavia and you'll get a taste.

Watching these people invading European borders, demanding and demanding and demanding to be given things, like we are supposed to give them whatever they want and watching our politicians and reporters bending over backwards for them and presenting us with all the bullshit sob stories and trying to convince everyone to happily welcome the invaders just disgusts me so much. Europe continues its path of self destruction and it's like Europeans are A Ok with this whole mess.

I honestly don't understand what's happening in the world right now.

Syria was a stable country until Obama and Cameron destabilized it

Same with Libya. The current crisis is directly related to the actions western govts took in weakening the Gaddafi and Asad regimes.

Now we have this clusterfuck. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but can someone explain what the fuck is going on?

This is an excellent article written years ago about the future of white women and feminism in all of this 'immigration' and global population explosion.
https://chechar.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/lycanthropy/

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The most paradoxical thing about women is that, while the fairest specimens of Aryan females look indeed like the crown of the evolution physically, if you empower them the race goes extinct. They simply refuse to reproduce. In fact, all of the present demographic winter looks like a typical women’s shit test writ large:

Technology will falter and down with it will go those populations brought out by hyper‐technology of food and energy production. Barbaric conditions will creep back in, and White women will lose their power. They will become commodities again

How White men handle their women then will be as important as how well they neutralize their racial enemies. It will determine the fate of the White race. White men will face two great problems in their women: 1) the competition for White women, and 2) those White women who demand what no longer exists nor can exist. This, exacerbating the struggles of survival, will make the scene ferocious.

The easy times are ending. They might collapse in our lifetimes, because technology is failing and “American” society is becoming too complex to govern

Read the whole article. It's basically a right wing racist site but the points it makes about white women are completely accurate.

Quote: (09-04-2015 01:51 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  

Watching these people invading European borders, demanding and demanding and demanding to be given things, like we are supposed to give them whatever they want and watching our politicians and reporters bending over backwards for them and presenting us with all the bullshit sob stories and trying to convince everyone to happily welcome the invaders just disgusts me so much. Europe continues its path of self destruction and it's like Europeans are A Ok with this whole mess.

US too bro. My generation (but especially the generation coming up behind me) is completely on board with it. I have a lot of friends and only 2 have any problem with things like amnesty for illegals, expanding the welfare state, government debt or even the most liberal social issues.

Quote: (09-04-2015 01:51 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  

Watching these people invading European borders, demanding and demanding and demanding to be given things, like we are supposed to give them whatever they want and watching our politicians and reporters bending over backwards for them and presenting us with all the bullshit sob stories and trying to convince everyone to happily welcome the invaders just disgusts me so much. Europe continues its path of self destruction and it's like Europeans are A Ok with this whole mess.

This is from an article in the NY Times about how Hungary doesn't want these immigrants:

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Subhi, a 17-year-old migrant from Damascus, Syria, was among those walking to Germany, even though he walks with a limp. “I’m fed up,” he said. “I’m going to walk all the way to Germany to get treatment.”

Imad Sbeih, a 50-year-old man in a wheelchair who is also from Damascus, was equally determined. “Nothing but death will stop us,” he said.

Look at this level of entitlement. The fucker's been in Europe for a few days and he's "fed up" that Hungary isn't bending over backwards for him.