[Sherman]

There is a novel that was written in 1973, "The Camp of the Saints", which depicts a setting where a Third World mass immigration to France and the West leads to the destruction of Western civilization. I have never read the book but this might be a good time to read it because it constructs a realistic scenario which is now happening.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Camp_of_the_Saints

[Eskhander]

(09-04-2015 10:56 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

There is a novel that was written in 1973, "The Camp of the Saints", which depicts a setting where a Third World mass immigration to France and the West leads to the destruction of Western civilization. I have never read the book but this might be a good time to read it because it constructs a realistic scenario which is now happening.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Camp_of_the_Saints

Notice that it went back to the bestsellers list in 2011.

[MrLemon]

(09-04-2015 10:26 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 07:16 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

Read the history of the 20th century. There is no limit to the stupidity of your average left wing liberal.

It's astonishing...yes that's the word... to watch this unfolding this. Watching the waves and waves of desperate poor people wash over entire european countries. Mind boggling. Like a sci-fi movie.

Exactly like...

Bingo

[Ingocnito]

Well Europe, now Donald Trump knows where we can send all our illegal alien hispanics. Thanks for the update

[Biologist]

A few people have mentioned that this crisis is probably going to lead to serious social unrest or even a violent revolt. I really cannot see this happening.

This will be a long, drawn out affair. Now that the world has seen how it is easy for anyone to simply just walk into Europe as a refugee, many more people from the Middle East and Africa will also start making their way there.

The refugees pouring into Europe have no money and the vast majority of them have little-to-no chance of ever finding a job. They will be dependent on welfare up until the welfare systems of the Western/Central European nations collapse due to the shear amount of money they are paying out to completely unproductive people. I predict that over the next few years we will see the development of ghettos and slums in Europe (similar to those found in India and Africa, but probably less extreme). Following this, quality of life in Western Europe will sharply decrease. Also, crime will sharply increase due to the massive number of poor, unemployed and unmarried young men hanging around with nothing to do.

Any sort of uprising or revolt by native European activist groups (whether armed or not) will promptly and swiftly be dealt with by the police and/or armies.

Regarding the sexual marketplace, the situation will become much worse. Western/Central Europe already has a gender imbalance, with a slight surplus of men. As the very vast majority of refugees pouring into Europe are males aged 18 - 40, this is just going to make this gender imbalance more extreme (even though these refugees will be at the bottom of the attractiveness scale).

[Eskhander]

A sound analysis Biologist but I think that the dynamics will change to the point where Police and Military (which I imagine both swing further to the right than the general populace, like here in America) won't side against nativist elements.

Or Nativist elements will gain power themselves and start making decisions.

[iknowexactly]

(09-04-2015 12:41 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

[quote] (09-04-2015 10:34 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

c) "At a Berlin church, Muslim refugees converting in droves"

Apostasy is no easy feat for a Muslim and is punishable by death in many countries....

Its interesting to note that the immigrants apostatizing are the Persians. Iranians are Shiite Muslims, many of which are not as hardcore about their religion as Sunnis. ... European countries will not deport someone who faces the death penalty back home.

If you think about it, a LOT of people in history, including probably a sizeable minority of the lawyers in the US congress, thought the religions imposed on them were a crock.

There can be a big cost to denying the existence of the favored Sky God marketing franchise at the time, Socrates being one of the most notable payers.

For instance, I don't think there is ONE public atheist in the USA congress I have heard of. Out of 500+ mostly college educated people, not ONE.

Shows you how scary religionists can be.

[Chaos]

I am European into my fingertips and I'm NOT okay with this situation.

I should really stay away from reading about this mess because it pisses me off to such degree that I can't focus on anything else. But it's hard to resist. I'm boiling.

The national media here in Finland is getting brainwashed by the extreme leftists in Sweden.
The amount of guilt they are trying to bring on people is increasing every day.
With how current things are escalating people will soon open their homes for these "refugees".
It's almost like people are asking to get their asses fucked.

Some people would say I'm exaggerating when I say the situation is scary, but I claim that most people are failing to see how serious this crisis is. What the fuck is wrong with people?

Props to Eastern Europe and especially Hungary for making a stand and fighting the fight.

[Biologist]

(09-05-2015 12:16 AM)Eskhander Wrote:  

A sound analysis Biologist but I think that the dynamics will change to the point where Police and Military (which I imagine both swing further to the right than the general populace, like here in America) won't side against nativist elements.

Or Nativist elements will gain power themselves and start making decisions.

That's definitely a possibility. However, since the situation will be so tense, I think that ultimately the police and militaries of the Western/Central European nations will eventually be instructed to suppress any precipitating threats/forces, whether nativist or otherwise.

The main thing that will occur due to this refugee crisis is a very significant lowering of the quality of life in Europe, caused by the development of slums and ghettos in major European cities (similar to those found in 3rd world countries) and a sharp increase in crime.

Additionally, it is likely that Islam will play a much greater role in Western/Central European society (even though it already does play a large role), permeating all aspects of life for everyone, regardless of the person's religion.

[ssvle]

... if you read the internet, there's plenty of websites where the commenters are to 80,90% against it. ( I read le figaro, el mundo, and welt.de)
However, in real life, I encounter very few people , at least here in Germany.
At my jobs, everyone is to a smaller or larger against pro "Willkommenskultur" (welcome culture). Also they are very much against the eastern europeans, who just try to save their countries. As merkel and Hollande announced redistribution of refugees, this will be interesting )

I started to suspect that the continuosly lowered testosterone values, shitty food and media bombardment have taken out any "resistance" from the Germans.
This sure as hell would not have happened with my grandfathers generation. Instead, the German men get more tattooed every day, because media (do what womenz want...) and non exisiting male role values confuse them.

Either way, a lot @Biologists comments is very true.
It will exactly end like that. There will be
- a whole generation of people on welfare / the dole, as they understand neither our systems nor culture and likely never will
- as new muslim movement in Europe and new djihad recruits (don't forget, 18 of 20 attackers from 9/11 were trained in Germany)
- the welfare state will come faster to its end (Pension bomb will explode after 2025, German federal state debt, ...)
- Europe still works because it lives off substance. The substance will decrease.

There will be favela-like districts (which already exist in the UK (Birmingham), Paris (Banlieus, Marseille)).
The rich will live as usual, but if you're an average dude in Germany, you will get f***ed over _very_ hard in the future. It's best to prepare by saving up money, because having funds will be more important than ever in the future.

[Dusty]

(09-05-2015 12:39 AM)Biologist Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 12:16 AM)Eskhander Wrote:  

A sound analysis Biologist but I think that the dynamics will change to the point where Police and Military (which I imagine both swing further to the right than the general populace, like here in America) won't side against nativist elements.

Or Nativist elements will gain power themselves and start making decisions.

That's definitely a possibility. However, since the situation will be so tense, I think that ultimately the police and militaries of the Western/Central European nations will eventually be instructed to suppress any precipitating threats/forces, whether nativist or otherwise.

The main thing that will occur due to this refugee crisis is a very significant lowering of the quality of life in Europe, caused by the development of slums and ghettos in major European cities (similar to those found in 3rd world countries) and a sharp increase in crime.

Additionally, it is likely that Islam will play a much greater role in Western/Central European society (even though it already does play a large role), permeating all aspects of life for everyone, regardless of the person's religion.

Now do Europeans understand why the USA has the 2nd Amendment?

[Akula]

(09-05-2015 12:32 AM)Chaos Wrote:  

I am European into my fingertips and I'm NOT okay with this situation.

I should really stay away from reading about this mess because it pisses me off to such degree that I can't focus on anything else. But it's hard to resist. I'm boiling.

The national media here in Finland is getting brainwashed by the extreme leftists in Sweden.
The amount of guilt they are trying to bring on people is increasing every day.
With how current things are escalating people will soon open their homes for these "refugees".
It's almost like people are asking to get their asses fucked.

Some people would say I'm exaggerating when I say the situation is scary, but I claim that most people are failing to see how serious this crisis is. What the fuck is wrong with people?

Props to Eastern Europe and especially Hungary for making a stand and fighting the fight.

I feel for you Chaos, it's similar to what they do to us in the US but this seems amplified.

Its sad to see how corrupted the media have become and how biased they are, also how they seem to rely on feelings and emotion more and more as opposed to common sense, logic and rationale thought (remind you of anyone?).

Europe is in serious trouble with the lawlessness and lack of border control this situation shows us all. You simply can't have massive welfare states and unchecked immigration/migration - case closed.

The fact that the media and EU bureaucracy are missing this simple notion (and also missing the reality that letting one group break the laws and enter illegally just because they want to will only encourage millions more to do so) is as shocking as it is predictable. The EU is a sham, a broken project, and will slowly deteriorate from here on out I think.

[Eskhander]

(09-05-2015 12:39 AM)Biologist Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 12:16 AM)Eskhander Wrote:  

A sound analysis Biologist but I think that the dynamics will change to the point where Police and Military (which I imagine both swing further to the right than the general populace, like here in America) won't side against nativist elements.

Or Nativist elements will gain power themselves and start making decisions.

That's definitely a possibility. However, since the situation will be so tense, I think that ultimately the police and militaries of the Western/Central European nations will eventually be instructed to suppress any precipitating threats/forces, whether nativist or otherwise.

The main thing that will occur due to this refugee crisis is a very significant lowering of the quality of life in Europe, caused by the development of slums and ghettos in major European cities (similar to those found in 3rd world countries) and a sharp increase in crime.

Additionally, it is likely that Islam will play a much greater role in Western/Central European society (even though it already does play a large role), permeating all aspects of life for everyone, regardless of the person's religion.

Ugh. Australia here I come.

Western Civilization may reorient to that country.

I've heard rumors, though... that French Police are training to suppress a suspected uprising in "the suburbs" as the ghettos are called.

[komatiite]

So many able bodied men feeling so entitled that they refuse aid packages and water- Germany must serve gourmet Halal cuisine so they will hold off for now. Guys in their mid 20s coming to Europe to leech off the generous welfare system instead of fighting for their country. Unbelievable.

The worst part of that video is when some asshole refugee slams the window shut while the little girls are reaching for care packages. I can't fathom why- are they unhappy with the "poor treatment" Hungary has shown?

[El Chinito loco]

(09-05-2015 01:26 AM)komatiite Wrote:  

So many able bodied men feeling so entitled that they refuse aid packages and water- Germany must serve gourmet Halal cuisine so they will hold off for now. Guys in their mid 20s coming to Europe to leech off the generous welfare system instead of fighting for their country. Unbelievable.

The worst part of that video is when some asshole refugee slams the window shut while the little girls are reaching for care packages. I can't fathom why- are they unhappy with the "poor treatment" Hungary has shown?

I'm always amazed at how these poor refugees always show up in standard homie/bro gear.. ballcaps, khaki shorts, decent jeans, stylish trainers or at least old school adidas/pumas, and nice t-shirts.

When they get a little money they usually update it to 1980's drug lord styles with silk shirts, gold chains, expensive jeans/pants, rolex, and custom shoes.

[Biologist]

(09-05-2015 01:26 AM)komatiite Wrote:  

So many able bodied men feeling so entitled that they refuse aid packages and water- Germany must serve gourmet Halal cuisine so they will hold off for now. Guys in their mid 20s coming to Europe to leech off the generous welfare system instead of fighting for their country. Unbelievable.

The worst part of that video is when some asshole refugee slams the window shut while the little girls are reaching for care packages. I can't fathom why- are they unhappy with the "poor treatment" Hungary has shown?

Despite having no visas to enter Hungary in the first place, the Hungarians have offered to give them free food and water as well as putting them on a train to take them exactly where they want to go; all at the cost of the taxpayer. Yet, these refugees still have the audacity to behave in such an arrogant and combative manner. The level of entitlement is unbelievable.

This is going to be a disaster.

[AFS]

(09-05-2015 12:32 AM)Chaos Wrote:  

I am European into my fingertips and I'm NOT okay with this situation.

I should really stay away from reading about this mess because it pisses me off to such degree that I can't focus on anything else. But it's hard to resist. I'm boiling.

The national media here in Finland is getting brainwashed by the extreme leftists in Sweden.
The amount of guilt they are trying to bring on people is increasing every day.
With how current things are escalating people will soon open their homes for these "refugees".
It's almost like people are asking to get their asses fucked.

Some people would say I'm exaggerating when I say the situation is scary, but I claim that most people are failing to see how serious this crisis is. What the fuck is wrong with people?

Props to Eastern Europe and especially Hungary for making a stand and fighting the fight.

I feel the same way. Seeing updates on Twitter, especially from brain dead #WelcomeRefugees supporters really puts me in a bad mood right away. It's like watching the invasion of your country in real time, except you're not even allowed to call it what it is - and traitors in your own country support it! My only sanity is seeing like-minded people like you on this forum.

For hundreds of years my ancestors (literally) fought the Muslim invaders. I wonder how they feel now? Must be spinning in their graves.

Austria and Germany (then Holy Roman Empire) forgot what it was like the last time the Muslims came here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

[N°6]

(09-04-2015 01:57 PM)space Wrote:  

I honestly don't understand what's happening in the world right now.

Syria was a stable country until Obama and Cameron destabilized it

Same with Libya. The current crisis is directly related to the actions western govts took in weakening the Gaddafi and Asad regimes.

Now we have this clusterfuck. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but can someone explain what the fuck is going on?

Correct but you forgot to mention the role of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the NATO 'ally' of Turkey in all this. Since the end of Saddam Hussein, the balance of power in the Middle East has moved to Tehran and its Syrian, Hezbollah and Russian allies.

Also no-one seems to recognise that these refugees might have a score to settle with France and the UK for their hand in the destruction of Syria.

As for the drowned boy picture, why weren't the many pictures of raped and murdered blond boys by the West's anti-Assad allies not featured by the media? Doesn't Turkey have an interest in Greek islands becoming Muslim again?

Remember how migration to Kosovo came before NATO's bombing of Serbia to make it let go of its province once the demographic pendulum swung?

As Camp of the Saints observed, Europe does not have the strength of will to defend itself against peaceful invasion.

[N°6]

(09-04-2015 07:56 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 07:28 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  



Do you see any women or children on that boat, nope...

Not to mention that it is a virtual certainty that none of them are from Syria.

But who should you believe, the Western media or your lying eyes?

Did the pictures of the drowned Christians who were outed by Muslims then thrown overboard from one of these boats ever surface with the corporate media?

No.

[AFS]

(09-04-2015 06:21 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

That is light years away from being the worst case scenario. An industrial scale killing of the native men and raping of the native women via an ISIS writ large is the worst case scenario. On the spectrum of best to worst case scenarios, yours falls pretty close to the "best" end of that spectrum. If you're a white European that is.

You're right. I should have been more specific, as I see this as the worst case for Eastern Europe as of right now. I don't think many of the migrants will come here, since they won't get any benefits for doing so. The west, on the other hand, is fucked. Unfortunately without Western Europe's muscle, we are open game for the Russians again. I may be wrong, with the crazies in our governments anything is possible. I mean, they are literally proposing we null our borders and let in people who want to destroy us.

Either way, thanks a lot for the 3000-2000 years of cultural and technological advancement Europe, it was nice to know you.

[ordinaryleastsquared]

(09-04-2015 05:48 PM)ordinaryleastsquared Wrote:  

I'm wondering, why is this happening now?? The civil war in Syria has been going on for 4 years...

Asking again because I'm lost on this and can't find any sources explaining why this is happening at this point in time?

Any ideas? Links welcome.

Thanks

[N°6]

(09-04-2015 04:12 PM)tylerdurden1993 Wrote:  

(09-04-2015 01:57 PM)space Wrote:  

I honestly don't understand what's happening in the world right now.

Syria was a stable country until Obama and Cameron destabilized it

Same with Libya. The current crisis is directly related to the actions western govts took in weakening the Gaddafi and Asad regimes.

Now we have this clusterfuck. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but can someone explain what the fuck is going on?

You've hit the nail on the head

The question i'd like to know is whether this was brought about due to incompetence from our political leaders or something more sinister?

Which one would you prefer?

The age old question: cock-up or conspiracy?

Probably a bit of both but with some design behind it.

For a start, state-enforced multi-culturalism through mass-immigration is strictly reserved for former White countries. It would never be tolerated elsewhere.

That multiculturalism is often cited as just because of the colonial era (which is deemed to be negative), proves that multiculturalism is not enriching but punitive.

[AFS]

(09-05-2015 01:58 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

As for the drowned boy picture, why weren't the many pictures of raped and murdered blond boys by the West's anti-Assad allies not featured by the media? Doesn't Turkey have an interest in Greek islands becoming Muslim again?

We need our own "drowning boy" picture, and unless the media covers it up, I'm certain we'll get one. I wonder how long until the body of a dead European girl shows up on the streets on Budapest, with CCTV footage of a brutal attack by migrants? Or a terrorist cell that recently arrived on a boat shoots up a town in Italy? Hell, right now they could pack a nuclear bomb onto a boat and float it right into a major European city - no one will even stop them because #WelcomeRefugees!

It's really sad and sick, but unfortunately one of these tragic events happening may be the only thing that swings popular opinion back against the migrant invasion, the way 9/11 shocked everyone in the US.

[AnonymousBosch]

(09-05-2015 01:01 AM)Eskhander Wrote:  

Ugh. Australia here I come.

Western Civilization may reorient to that country.

Don't believe the hype. My last town in Australia was swamped by a massive wave of Indian, Somali and Asian immigration in the last five years. I mentioned in another thread that the Police, Health and Electricity infrastructures were already starting to fail to cope with the massive population increase, and certain areas had already become 'no go' zones.

I think the powers that be are dumping them in the poorer rural regions.

If you want an illustration of how bad things are: the Catholic school around the corner from me sent out community leaflets a few months back. The Principal's opening statements not only mentioned equality and everyone being equally valued, but mentioned the importance of Respecting Diversity three times in five paragraphs.

[Eskhander]

(09-05-2015 02:20 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(09-05-2015 01:01 AM)Eskhander Wrote:  

Ugh. Australia here I come.

Western Civilization may reorient to that country.

Don't believe the hype. My last town in Australia was swamped by a massive wave of Indian, Somali and Asian immigration in the last five years. I mentioned in another thread that the Police, Health and Electricity infrastructures were already starting to fail to cope with the massive population increase, and certain areas had already become 'no go' zones.

I think the powers that be are dumping them in the poorer rural regions.

Be that as it may, there's a political will there to turn people back. It's a relatively isolated area.

And well, the country has pissed off the right people: http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-editorial-...g-overrun/

But I don't believe in cutting and running at the first signs of trouble.