What a trainwreck...

I couldn't look away, mind you--found this thread this am and read through it. Part of me thinks I should be in the crowd that somehow thinks this may ultimately be related to the McCoy meltdown.

Lots of lessons here:

1) If you consoled/defended this chick privately, you still have a lot to learn. I'm not here to wag my finger and admonish you for having been on "the wrong side of the forum." Just take a good, long, hard look in the mirror. You're seriously supporting the unstable LTR of a (very questionable) ex-forum user? What did she do to earn this support? Has she helped you in any tangible way? I would ask "has she fucked you?," but this is exactly the wrong tack to take--typical "I'll be a 'good guy' and show her!" WKism (no offense, Little Dark)...

2) There are a lot of enemy lurkers in our midst, be they expelled members, feminists, WKs, etc. By no means moderate what you say, but maintain your frame above all else. Too many guys want to be Odysseus around the Sirens, but without the whole "tied to the mast" part. Fuck that. Learn enough game, and you'd be shouting at the sirens how bulky their arms were, and, "6/10 WNB."

3) Outings Am I worried about being "outed" as a member of this forum? I guess. Maybe. I think it's a travesty that's the case. This country (sorry for all you non-Americans out there) was built on a foundation of free speech, free religion, freedom to assemble, etc. And yet what we say in public determines our ability to make a living. What we DARE utter against the tide of public opinion threatens to cast us upon the scrap heap like a remnant of Fukushima washing up on the shore.

When the founders (essentially meaning Jefferson) advocated for the First Amendment, they envisioned government as the absolute authority to put people in prison for their views...and leave them there indefinitely...

Through the years, corporations have slowly, but surely, assumed the mantle that was once the exclusive domain of government, to the detriment of the citizens. This is a disaster. According to the Dartmouth College Supreme Court case, and re-affirmed by Citizen's United, corporations are, in fact, people. This fiction is still killing us to this day.

TL;DR I suppose this is a long-winded way of saying the following:

-Keep your head on a swivel/ignore the thirst

-Build yourself up,

-Protect yourself from corporate "outing," not by taking extraordinary measures, but by being an extraordinary man, and,

-WNB

Vigo

The thing I find disappointing is how few rational responses there were, only a couple stood out: crashbangwallop said she should be ignored and banned and Roosh did the sensible thing of waiting it out then writing a measured response.

Instead all the memes and insults came out, and then guys turned on each other with white knight accusations flying. I get it that guys like the drama and humor too but if just one girl posting on the forum stirs it up this much how much worse would it be in real life with an actual female present.

I find it disappointing how many rational responses there were.

OP is a brat and rational advice is not what she wanted.

I'm gonna add another twist to this drama by starting a thread titled "I dated Tuthmosis--should I expose him?" and see how many forum members secretly want to bang ol' boy Tex. Cause apparently you just never know around here.

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In case anyone is wondering....

^What the fuck did I just read?!

It gets even worse

Damn you Birthday Cat!
and damn me for clicking and reading!!!!

You fuckers, that's what's good with RVF, you read some serious shit and it drift from nowhere to talk about people shitting their pants

This thread is completely raping my time, but in a good way. Here's my lesson learned: trust virtually no one. I saw three examples in this narrative where operational security was weak and someone paid the price for it.

What's most interesting to me is how many guys here thought you could expect some loyalty, brotherhood, or consistent "guy code" from an 18,000+ member forum filled with people from all different mindsets and backgrounds and were disappointed by that not being the case.

Quote: (07-31-2015 03:40 AM)EuroSlumming Wrote:  

Instead all the memes and insults came out, and then guys turned on each other with white knight accusations flying. I get it that guys like the drama and humor too but if just one girl posting on the forum stirs it up this much how much worse would it be in real life with an actual female present.

Quote: (07-31-2015 07:02 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

What's most interesting to me is how many guys here thought you could expect some loyalty, brotherhood, or consistent "guy code" from an 18,000+ member forum filled with people from all different mindsets and backgrounds and were disappointed by that not being the case.

All of this and everything that's going on after crazy bitch got banned reminds me of this Godfather scene:
"This things gotta happen... helps to get rid of the bad blood"
1:20

I just saw the initial post and saw the romance novel this bitch was writing and said to myself this bitch is probably hot but NEXT cause this bitch is crazy! I hope some guys now realize how powerful pussy really is. Pussy will catch you slippin if you give it a small opening... everytime. Even when you're going back and forth you're actually getting drawn in more. I learned that a long time ago, and I hope some of you guys did so now

Alau of DC and the thread that launched a 1000 posts.

I've been a dedicated dark night since 1979.

This was the final straw.

6th grade my mother bought me a set of crayola magic markers which were new at the time. Some girl in my class told the teacher that I stole them from her and he took them from me and gave them to her.. Now even though 6th grade Mech was nobodys punk. I was pissed and refused to do any work or follow any directions I told him to ask my mother about my markers and he blew me off but did have to call my parents (yup my crazy ass father too) in to chat about my recent behavior and I called the fucker out for white knighting right on the spot and my father was like WTF dude? We bought him those markers which led to the Teacher searching the sloppy desk of the cunt who said I stole hers and found 2 sets of markers. He hardly apologized and I made his life hell for the rest of the year.

You wont find me changing my position on this.

I dated a dirty skank. Should I expose her

Quote: (07-31-2015 03:58 AM)Sooth Wrote:  

I find it disappointing how many rational responses there were.

OP is a brat and rational advice is not what she wanted.

Women just want people to listen as they vent their spleen. They rarely want advice to fix anything. I know that, I have known that for a long time. But I still felt like dropping logic on her ass. I knew some might see it as irrational on my part. But I was in a mocking mood.

She just wanted someone to say "oh you poor baby, what a mean bad man he was. You are a victim."

Quote: (07-31-2015 07:50 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

I just saw the initial post and saw the romance novel this bitch was writing and said to myself this bitch is probably hot but NEXT cause this bitch is crazy!

Let me remove any doubts. She was far from hot. She was not thin and she had an ok face. Worse yet, she said she recently lost weight. So that means the pua in question was banging a chubby girl. Now please understand, I am really against overweight girls whereas some guys here don't mind some cushion. So take my opinion with a grain of salt. The only thing about her that a pure positive is that she had long hair. And it was not colored pink or anything so that was a plus also. And all her pics were from cleavage up. As Mr. Very Perceptive Tuth pointed out she was probably a sif based on how she cropped her pics. If she had a rocking body she would have shown it.

Suits' Thread Summary

In her first post, OP begins immediately with the insults.

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:09 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

I felt sad that there are a lot of self-loathing men on here who do not feel worthy.

In post one, she insinuates (without saying it directly), that if you enjoy regular sex with attractive women, you are a "self loathing man."

Women are usually careful not to make the logical basis of their insults too direct, because then they can be dismantled.

She never states why she believes this to be the case or specifies specifically who she is referring too, but still manages to attack the bulk of the membership by accusing "a lot" of them of being "self-loathing men who do not feel worthy."

Make special note that she doesn't definite what these "self-loathing men" do not feel worthy of. No specifics for this attention-whore.

Of course, she masks it as genuine concern (see bolding), as if she is just worried about these men having a bad life. With this she promotes herself to a position of authority, who has the ability to determine that other people hate themselves based on nothing more than some Internet posts.

Despite meeting forum members who are surprisingly attractive and cool and having no evidence to support her claims, she still makes them.

She's here to inflict pain and get even, because she feels that she did not extract enough value from a certain man for giving up pussy (which cost her nothing). This has clearly injured her feelings of self-worth (which are based on how much status/money/experiences/emotional investment she can exchange for her pussy). She here for revenge.

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It is a bit sad that their sense of worth is based on how they compare to other men and how many hot women they can sleep with.

Once again, statements made with no evidence.

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However, we talked about it and he told me that after his divorce, he did not know how to date women, so he sought advice from this forum. I understood that, but there is definitely a difference between self-help and pick up art. One is about increasing confidence and promotes positivity and honesty, while the other is about manipulation and deceit.

Not true.

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I decided to give him another chance because he did have some positive parts and I enjoyed spending time with him.

Translation: He still made my vagina tingle.

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Anyways, he never told me that he had a girlfriend before dating me; I found out later, but the lies kept coming and I am quite the connoisseur at discovering lies. We had not been exclusive at this point, but I would ask him if he was seeing other people and having unprotected sex with others. I knew the answer was "yes" already, but he continuously lied.

Question: Why ask a question that you already know the answer to?

Answer: For the purposes of emotional manipulation.

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What infuriated me was that he lied about having unprotected sex and then had the audacity to tell me that it is not my business if he has unprotected sex or not, wholly disregarding my health. I truly just wanted some honesty and I never got that.

I am not sure why I did not leave sooner… I actually got to meet some of his PUA friends after the DC lecture, and they did seem nice on the outside.

Conclusion: She loves alpha man. She cannot help being drawn to them.

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There was never a time when I could call him a good friend; He hurt me several times and I could tell that he did not care about our friendship.

But she kept letting him fuck her.

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Whenever something was bothering me, I would voice my concerns, but he would become indignant, hang up on me, walk out mid conversation, and ignore my texts/calls. He would try to make me feel guilty, and he never once apologized for anything wrong that he had done. I do not handle lying and other undeserved bad behavior well.

Translation: She tried to emotionally manipulate him and she lost at her own game.

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I think I started to become resentful for all of the things he had done in the past, and the fact that he never once had the courage to apologize for anything.

What does courage have to do with apologizing?

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I had been a very patient and understanding girlfriend for a long time;

Every girl believes this. Doesn't make it true.

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I even told him that I would be open to threesomes (which I would never typically agree to).

Once again, 3 minutes of alpha....

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I had given him many chances because I figured that deep down inside, he was a good person but had emotional issues he was still struggling with (don’t we all?)

Or she just couldn't get enough of that alpha cock.

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Our final breakup was recent, and I have been both so depressed yet enraged about it. I did one wrong thing (sent him a text out of spite telling him that I was going to be meeting an ex who I have been friends with since high school), and he has since ignored all of my texts, calls, and emails.

That wasn't a break up. She just got dumped because she was way too much trouble for the quality of pussy she was providing. She had no other redeeming qualities worth keeping her around for.

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I am really not one to be so hurtful,

Yes, you are.

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I have never been treated this way by previous partners,

But she isn't letting them fuck her any more, is she?

I guess treating her nicely doesn't pay off, does it?

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...and I maintain a positive relationship with all of them....

They're unwisely still treating her nicely because they want to fuck her again.

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I know that I do not deserve this treatment, and I have been foolish to have let it go on for so long.

Women can't resist alpha cock.

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I had been behaving really well during the time we dated...

She's already admitted to attempting to emotionally manipulate him by repeatedly demanding information about his other sexual partners, during a period of time that they were non-exclusive.

I don't call that behaving really well.

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Part of me wants to expose him as the pick up artist/cheater/liar/closet misogynist that he is, but the other part of me would feel horrible doing so.

Do you see how she makes this threat, while still maintaining that she's a good person?

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I am really conflicted about this situation,

As you can see, she's definitely still very open to doing something that she would "feel horrible" about doing.

If this wasn't the case, she wouldn't be conflicted.

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but I know that he will continue to hurt other women and I've lost hope that he will grow into a better, more honest, caring person.

She just wants to save other women from getting hurt! She's a modern day hero!

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:18 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Yep. Roosh isn't even hot, though. Not really sure why you all take his advice and see him as some kind of sex god.

More insults. She's been hurt, so she's trying to feel better by insulting other people. Very childish.

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Quote: (07-29-2015 04:19 AM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  

It's a shame you wasted 15 dollars.

I didn't spend 15 dollars....

Lie.

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:34 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:30 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

So tell us about your ideal man....

Kind, endearingly awkward, intelligent, confident (and not the fake kind), honest, caring.

She wants a guy that is endearingly awkward and awkward?

That doesn't make any sense.

This woman is in a world of self-delusion.

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If you actually refer to yourself as an alpha male, I'll just laugh.

We don't need to refer to ourselves as alpha. She's already admitted that she happily to cock from an alpha over any over again no matter how many times he hurts her poor sensitive feelings.

The only reason we have this thread here is because he won't fuck her any more (or respond to her texts, calls, emails, door knocks) and she's pissed knowing that she'll never be able to taste that quality dick again.

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I mean you know that you guys are just getting better at manipulating women, right? Also, it doesn't matter if you have a hot woman by your side... That's not going to make YOU more attractive or "valuable." People will just be like "wtf how did HE get her?" It must be tiring to have a masquerade on all the time.

More insults.

What if it isn't a masquerade and attractive women really do love us?

What if they are attracted to our actual lifestyle?

What if whatever level of manipulation we engage in is only to level the playing field when dealing with women who would happily use manipulation to extract all sorts of resources from us?

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:37 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:31 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

OP, post pictures of yourself. You can blur out part of the face, since you're probably too scared to show yourself, while threatening to "expose" a man who was giving you good enough D that you didn't drop him after repeated instances of him "hurting" you and being emotionally unavailable.

Haha.. i am not scared to post pictures of myself, and i even met some of the guys after the DC lecture. I just don't exactly want my face to be up on this shitty website.

More insults and clear cut case of limited reading comprehension skills.

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:44 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

....you're probably an ugly basement dwelling loser anyway.

More unsubstantiated insults.

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:44 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

I'm not fat...

...but here are my carefully cropped photos that don't show my body below my neck.

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:54 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Move along, loser. Can't even spell correctly. You're pathetic. I obviously know i'm not going to get a lot of support. i was looking for advice from the few decent men on here.

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:57 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

You truly lack self-awareness.

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:59 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

It's pointless to argue with the delusional people on this site, i've noticed.

Quote: (07-29-2015 05:02 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Haha, seriously. I got a 780/800 on my SAT written section.

Quote: (07-29-2015 05:07 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

There are lots of delusional men on here... Many of you are pathetic. Do you not even see how the things you post on here make you look pathetic? Probably not.

The stupid brat continues to target the forum membership with insults as the thread reaches page three.

Then on page 3, OP states that she is still seriously considering doxxing the man who pumped and dumped her ass:

Quote: (07-29-2015 05:12 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

i haven't decided whether or not to out him yet. i don't exactly want to stoop to his level. It's already pretty low.

She then barely concedes that she's decided not to, but only because she's better than him:

Quote: (07-29-2015 05:12 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

I guess I just won't.

OP continues to tough talk the membership, like she's GI Jane or something.

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Oh please. There's a reason you're on this site, you idiot. Is that because you're naturally unattractive and insecure? There's nothing wrong with insecurities but don't be an asshole

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I'm far from dumb. Also, is your value determined by the number of mediocre-looking girls you sleep with?

Of course, despite being a tough talking bitch, OP is desperate enough for positive affirmation that she is easily cajoled into sharing pictures. She posts her OKCupid account name, before quickly disabling the account.

She's too slow. Despite pulling her pictures offline, this doesn't stop the tech genius present in the RVF membership from capturing screenshots of several of the images.

Our tough talking guest's tone begins to change:

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Please do NOT post my pics on here.

This doesn't stop her from trying to guilt the forum membership into not posting her photographs publicly in the thread.

Quote: (07-29-2015 05:51 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

I deactivated it because I do not want anyone posting my pictures on this website. i have seen some of you post pics of girls you supposedly slept with... and that's just fucked up.

Fortunately, the esteemed forum moderator Tuthmosis immediately shuts her down.

Quote: (07-29-2015 05:52 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

And trying to ruin a guy by "exposing" him isn't "fucked up"? Typical female logic. Now I'm starting to believe you really are a woman.

Realizing that she is powerless and trapped, the tough talking immediately ceases and OP writes:

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I said I wasn't going to do it after some reflection...

Forum member presents OP's photographs for analysis.

The immediate diagnosis:

Quote: (07-29-2015 06:02 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

You really aren't horrible looking, from the neck up. Though the cropping on those pictures is extremely suspicious. Extremely. You're almost certainly what's known as a SIF.

OP begins to freak out:

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Are you serious? You could have sent them to your friend and not posted them on here. WTF is wrong with you

Can you please remove this? You didn't even have the decency to blur out my face.

Quote: (07-29-2015 06:04 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Quote: (07-29-2015 06:01 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Can you please remove this? You didn't even have the decency to blur out my face.

Can you please post something that isn't cropped right below the fat line? Everyone here knows that you bloom out into a pear shape at the bottom.

The tough talking from OP has ended, but insults (although toned down) continue.

Tuthmosis delivers yet another two cutting responses to OP's hamsterisms.

Quote: (07-29-2015 06:12 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Quote: (07-29-2015 06:07 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Can you please do it? i think it's really inconsiderate. I never posted anyone's personal information on here.

No, you just threatened to. The pictures have been removed from the exterior site on which they were posted. We don't encourage outing anyone on this forum, even though it doesn't seem to be a problem for you to do it to others for whom you harbor post-breakup resentment.

And, admit that you cropped those pictures weirdly precisely to conceal the "less fit" parts of your body.

Quote: (07-29-2015 06:15 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Quote: (07-29-2015 06:12 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

You're really not lowering my self-esteem hiding behind your screen. I am going to ask Roosh to remove this post or there will be consequences.

Feeling desperate, OP tries a different strategy:

Quote: (07-29-2015 06:33 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

It is my fault.. can someone delete my pictures? i do not want my information on here and I am not going to out the former member. I do not want to ruin anyone's life. i was just infuriated.

She admits that she is the wrong (although she clearly doesn't actually believe this), but refuses to accept any actual responsibility with a typically feminine justification: "I was just infuriated."

The justifications and excuses continue:

Quote: (07-29-2015 07:06 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Quote: (07-29-2015 07:00 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Quote: (07-29-2015 06:58 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

i would not be so "hot" and "cold" and "on" and "off" if there was no reason to be. The lying and manipulation did it for me.

So, what you are saying is that your poor behaviour and unappealing personality is all his fault.

Hmmmm.

i would have acted "normally" if he hadn't been lying and manipulating me the entire time. Even his own friend told me that he probably has issues and possibly some form of social disorder. I really would never treat someone like shit for no reason.

OP has stopped repeatedly insulting the membership, but you can bet your bottom dollar that she still would be if she wasn't trying to curry favour and get her pictures removed.

If anyone here is still questioning female nature, pay special attention to this. OP repeatedly insulted our forum as a whole and only began to behave (slightly more) civilly when she wanted something. Even then, she couldn't help by blame everyone else in the world for her terrible behaviour.

OP tries to take curry sympathy:

Quote: (07-29-2015 07:15 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

I have always been nice to the men that I date..that's why I am friends with them all even after we had broken up. He is the only one that i have acted this way with for reasons i have mentioned. I am not going to be resentful because i know that there are good men out there and that not every guy is the same. He is the only one who has seen my "crazy" side.... because he brought it out, and i got tired of his abuse.

But, she is quickly shut down by Tuthmosis:

Quote: (07-29-2015 07:21 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Something's not computing.

Why did you feel it necessary to come in and insult all of us, calling us--if I remember correctly--"basement-dwelling losers"? We didn't hurt you. This person did, and you lashed out at complete strangers. We have feelings too. What if I really did live in a basement?

It sounds like more than just him saw your crazy side.

Shocked that there is no whiteknight emerging to rescue her from a situation of her own making, OP returns to throwing about insults as she tries to school us on what is appropriate male behaviour:

Quote: (07-29-2015 09:11 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Look, there is nothing wrong with picking up women and sleeping with them if that's what both parties want. However, things like negging are kind of manipulative. I don't think you need to try to lower anyone's self-esteem to try to make yourself feel better. When he did it to me, I knew exactly what he was doing and even joked about it. I just think that teaching men to be "alpha" and telling them to do shitty things like lie, deceive, and manipulate them is horrible. Women do this to guys too, of course... i'm not saying that is okay. I just wish people were more honest and weren't trying to play with emotions and all of that. I think this forum is a space for men who feel insecure and unworthy... they try to measure up and compare themselves to other men and that's how they determine their self-worth. i don't think it gives some guys "real" confidence. It might teach them how to talk to more women, so they get more results, yeah. However, i feel like the honesty in conversation is lost...and you see women as "targets" rather than people. It's like we are some kind of rare Pokemon.. and not in a good way. i am a very shy person and would never come up to a guy first, so there is definitely a lot of pressure for men in that respect. However, on this forum, there is a lot of misogyny going on and it seems like the negativity outweighs the actual self-help stuff.

Quote: (07-29-2015 07:24 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

And I just seriously wish that you guys would realize that this PUA stuff does not teach authenticity. I met some men recently... they were all awkward and clearly "beta" types. They were being themselves. I also gave them my number. I just feel like you can have confidence and self-worth without treating women poorly. There's more to your self worth than how many women you sleep with and how hot they are. There's nothing wrong with picking up women as long as there are no lies and manipulation. If a woman is treating you like shit, then yeah, you should put your foot down because nobody deserves to be treated that way. I know some of my friends have treated those super nice ones like shit, and they finally left. I don't do that to nice guys. This does not mean that i will date any nice guy just because he is nice... I obviously have to be attracted to them.

Of course, funny enough, it's obvious to any red pill man that OP simply isn't attracted to nice guys. That's why she repeatedly took cock from a banned forum member who she admitted knew was dicking other women all over the city.

She could have been dating a nice guy...but she wasn't. She stuck with a guy who "hurt her again and again" because she "felt comfortable with him."

Behold the power of the dark triad.



What happens next is a case study in female solipsism.

Quote: (07-29-2015 08:36 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

I don't think anyone would just act "normally" having been lied to and manipulated constantly. Enough was enough. When he was acting nice, I was nice. When he was lying and being a sociopath, I didn't act so "normal."

If she only knew what it was like to deal with women as a man. Some the forum is full of many, many men who manage to act normally, despite repeatedly being lied to and experiencing manipulative behaviour at the hands of women.

The careful reader knows, of course, that OP is a bastion of lies and manipulation herself. That's how she treats men, with lies and manipulation.

She admits (quoted above) that she knew that the (former) forum member that was fucking her silly was indeed fucking other women at the same time.

She claims that she "just wanted him to be honest about it."

We men know better. She wanted to squeeze an admission of wrong doing out of him to use as future ammunition to assault him with any time she wanted to win an argument or demand additional resources.

Of course this man was smart enough to admit to nothing. Women don't "just want you to be honest with them." The want to force admissions out of you to harangue you with at their convenience.

There is no poor victim here. This woman is an evil cunt.

If she wasn't satisfied with just being a spinning plate occasionally luck enough to take dick from a 50 year old millionaire in D.C., she could have stopped seeing him at any time.

She could have tried dating one of those "nice guys" that she's allegedly so open to dating.

But she didn't do that. She continued being the personal fucktoy of a man who had already forced her to suffer emotional pain. Why? Because she loved it.

Never doubt the power of the dark triad.

Quote: (07-31-2015 10:06 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Suits' Thread Summary

In her first post, OP begins immediately with the insults.

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:09 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

I felt sad that there are a lot of self-loathing men on here who do not feel worthy.

In post one, she insinuates (without saying it directly), that if you enjoy regular sex with attractive women, you are a "self loathing man."

Women are usually careful not to make the logical basis of their insults too direct, because then they can be dismantled.

She never states why she believes this to be the case or specifies specifically who she is referring too, but still manages to attack the bulk of the membership by accusing "a lot" of them of being "self-loathing men who do not feel worthy."

Make special note that she doesn't definite what these "self-loathing men" do not feel worthy of. No specifics for this attention-whore.

Of course, she masks it as genuine concern (see bolding), as if she is just worried about these men having a bad life. With this she promotes herself to a position of authority, who has the ability to determine that other people hate themselves based on nothing more than some Internet posts.

Despite meeting forum members who are surprisingly attractive and cool and having no evidence to support her claims, she still makes them.

She's here to inflict pain and get even, because she feels that she did not extract enough value from a certain man for giving up pussy (which cost her nothing). This has clearly injured her feelings of self-worth (which are based on how much status/money/experiences/emotional investment she can exchange for her pussy). She here for revenge.

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It is a bit sad that their sense of worth is based on how they compare to other men and how many hot women they can sleep with.

Once again, statements made with no evidence.

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However, we talked about it and he told me that after his divorce, he did not know how to date women, so he sought advice from this forum. I understood that, but there is definitely a difference between self-help and pick up art. One is about increasing confidence and promotes positivity and honesty, while the other is about manipulation and deceit.

Not true.

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I decided to give him another chance because he did have some positive parts and I enjoyed spending time with him.

Translation: He still made my vagina tingle.

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Anyways, he never told me that he had a girlfriend before dating me; I found out later, but the lies kept coming and I am quite the connoisseur at discovering lies. We had not been exclusive at this point, but I would ask him if he was seeing other people and having unprotected sex with others. I knew the answer was "yes" already, but he continuously lied.

Question: Why ask a question that you already know the answer to?

Answer: For the purposes of emotional manipulation.

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What infuriated me was that he lied about having unprotected sex and then had the audacity to tell me that it is not my business if he has unprotected sex or not, wholly disregarding my health. I truly just wanted some honesty and I never got that.

I am not sure why I did not leave sooner… I actually got to meet some of his PUA friends after the DC lecture, and they did seem nice on the outside.

Conclusion: She loves alpha man. She cannot help being drawn to them.

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There was never a time when I could call him a good friend; He hurt me several times and I could tell that he did not care about our friendship.

But she kept letting him fuck her.

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Whenever something was bothering me, I would voice my concerns, but he would become indignant, hang up on me, walk out mid conversation, and ignore my texts/calls. He would try to make me feel guilty, and he never once apologized for anything wrong that he had done. I do not handle lying and other undeserved bad behavior well.

Translation: She tried to emotionally manipulate him and she lost at her own game.

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I think I started to become resentful for all of the things he had done in the past, and the fact that he never once had the courage to apologize for anything.

What does courage have to do with apologizing?

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I had been a very patient and understanding girlfriend for a long time;

Every girl believes this. Doesn't make it true.

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I even told him that I would be open to threesomes (which I would never typically agree to).

Once again, 3 minutes of alpha....

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I had given him many chances because I figured that deep down inside, he was a good person but had emotional issues he was still struggling with (don’t we all?)

Or she just couldn't get enough of that alpha cock.

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Our final breakup was recent, and I have been both so depressed yet enraged about it. I did one wrong thing (sent him a text out of spite telling him that I was going to be meeting an ex who I have been friends with since high school), and he has since ignored all of my texts, calls, and emails.

That wasn't a break up. She just got dumped because she was way too much trouble for the quality of pussy she was providing. She had no other redeeming qualities worth keeping her around for.

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I am really not one to be so hurtful,

Yes, you are.

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I have never been treated this way by previous partners,

But she isn't letting them fuck her any more, is she?

I guess treating her nicely doesn't pay off, does it?

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...and I maintain a positive relationship with all of them....

They're unwisely still treating her nicely because they want to fuck her again.

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I know that I do not deserve this treatment, and I have been foolish to have let it go on for so long.

Women can't resist alpha cock.

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I had been behaving really well during the time we dated...

She's already admitted to attempting to emotionally manipulate him by repeatedly demanding information about his other sexual partners, during a period of time that they were non-exclusive.

I don't call that behaving really well.

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Part of me wants to expose him as the pick up artist/cheater/liar/closet misogynist that he is, but the other part of me would feel horrible doing so.

Do you see how she makes this threat, while still maintaining that she's a good person?

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I am really conflicted about this situation,

As you can see, she's definitely still very open to doing something that she would "feel horrible" about doing.

If this wasn't the case, she wouldn't be conflicted.

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but I know that he will continue to hurt other women and I've lost hope that he will grow into a better, more honest, caring person.

She just wants to save other women from getting hurt! She's a modern day hero!

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:18 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Yep. Roosh isn't even hot, though. Not really sure why you all take his advice and see him as some kind of sex god.

More insults. She's been hurt, so she's trying to feel better by insulting other people. Very childish.

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:21 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:19 AM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  

It's a shame you wasted 15 dollars.

I didn't spend 15 dollars....

Lie.

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:34 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:30 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

So tell us about your ideal man....

Kind, endearingly awkward, intelligent, confident (and not the fake kind), honest, caring.

She wants a guy that is endearingly awkward and awkward?

That doesn't make any sense.

This woman is in a world of self-delusion.

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If you actually refer to yourself as an alpha male, I'll just laugh.

We don't need to refer to ourselves as alpha. She's already admitted that she happily to cock from an alpha over any over again no matter how many times he hurts her poor sensitive feelings.

The only reason we have this thread here is because he won't fuck her any more (or respond to her texts, calls, emails, door knocks) and she's pissed knowing that she'll never be able to taste that quality dick again.

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I mean you know that you guys are just getting better at manipulating women, right? Also, it doesn't matter if you have a hot woman by your side... That's not going to make YOU more attractive or "valuable." People will just be like "wtf how did HE get her?" It must be tiring to have a masquerade on all the time.

More insults.

What if it isn't a masquerade and attractive women really do love us?

What if they are attracted to our actual lifestyle?

What if whatever level of manipulation we engage in is only to level the playing field when dealing with women who would happily use manipulation to extract all sorts of resources from us?

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:37 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:31 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

OP, post pictures of yourself. You can blur out part of the face, since you're probably too scared to show yourself, while threatening to "expose" a man who was giving you good enough D that you didn't drop him after repeated instances of him "hurting" you and being emotionally unavailable.

Haha.. i am not scared to post pictures of myself, and i even met some of the guys after the DC lecture. I just don't exactly want my face to be up on this shitty website.

More insults and clear cut case of limited reading comprehension skills.

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:44 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

....you're probably an ugly basement dwelling loser anyway.

More unsubstantiated insults.

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:44 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

I'm not fat...

...but here are my carefully cropped photos that don't show my body below my neck.

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:54 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Move along, loser. Can't even spell correctly. You're pathetic. I obviously know i'm not going to get a lot of support. i was looking for advice from the few decent men on here.

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:57 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

You truly lack self-awareness.

Quote: (07-29-2015 04:59 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

It's pointless to argue with the delusional people on this site, i've noticed.

Quote: (07-29-2015 05:02 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Haha, seriously. I got a 780/800 on my SAT written section.

Quote: (07-29-2015 05:07 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

There are lots of delusional men on here... Many of you are pathetic. Do you not even see how the things you post on here make you look pathetic? Probably not.

The stupid brat continues to target the forum membership with insults as the thread reaches page three.

Then on page 3, OP states that she is still seriously considering doxxing the man who pumped and dumped her ass:

Quote: (07-29-2015 05:12 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

i haven't decided whether or not to out him yet. i don't exactly want to stoop to his level. It's already pretty low.

She then barely concedes that she's decided not to, but only because she's better than him:

Quote: (07-29-2015 05:12 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

I guess I just won't.

OP continues to tough talk the membership, like she's GI Jane or something.

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Oh please. There's a reason you're on this site, you idiot. Is that because you're naturally unattractive and insecure? There's nothing wrong with insecurities but don't be an asshole

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I'm far from dumb. Also, is your value determined by the number of mediocre-looking girls you sleep with?

Of course, despite being a tough talking bitch, OP is desperate enough for positive affirmation that she is easily cajoled into sharing pictures. She posts her OKCupid account name, before quickly disabling the account.

She's too slow. Despite pulling her pictures offline, this doesn't stop the tech genius present in the RVF membership from capturing screenshots of several of the images.

Our tough talking guest's tone begins to change:

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Please do NOT post my pics on here.

This doesn't stop her from trying to guilt the forum membership into not posting her photographs publicly in the thread.

Quote: (07-29-2015 05:51 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

I deactivated it because I do not want anyone posting my pictures on this website. i have seen some of you post pics of girls you supposedly slept with... and that's just fucked up.

Fortunately, the esteemed forum moderator Tuthmosis immediately shuts her down.

Quote: (07-29-2015 05:52 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

And trying to ruin a guy by "exposing" him isn't "fucked up"? Typical female logic. Now I'm starting to believe you really are a woman.

Realizing that she is powerless and trapped, the tough talking immediately ceases and OP writes:

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I said I wasn't going to do it after some reflection...

Forum member presents OP's photographs for analysis.

The immediate diagnosis:

Quote: (07-29-2015 06:02 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

You really aren't horrible looking, from the neck up. Though the cropping on those pictures is extremely suspicious. Extremely. You're almost certainly what's known as a SIF.

OP begins to freak out:

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Are you serious? You could have sent them to your friend and not posted them on here. WTF is wrong with you

Can you please remove this? You didn't even have the decency to blur out my face.

Quote: (07-29-2015 06:04 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Quote: (07-29-2015 06:01 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Can you please remove this? You didn't even have the decency to blur out my face.

Can you please post something that isn't cropped right below the fat line? Everyone here knows that you bloom out into a pear shape at the bottom.

The tough talking from OP has ended, but insults (although toned down) continue.

Tuthmosis delivers yet another two cutting responses to OP's hamsterisms.

Quote: (07-29-2015 06:12 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Quote: (07-29-2015 06:07 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Can you please do it? i think it's really inconsiderate. I never posted anyone's personal information on here.

No, you just threatened to. The pictures have been removed from the exterior site on which they were posted. We don't encourage outing anyone on this forum, even though it doesn't seem to be a problem for you to do it to others for whom you harbor post-breakup resentment.

And, admit that you cropped those pictures weirdly precisely to conceal the "less fit" parts of your body.

Quote: (07-29-2015 06:15 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Quote: (07-29-2015 06:12 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

You're really not lowering my self-esteem hiding behind your screen. I am going to ask Roosh to remove this post or there will be consequences.

Feeling desperate, OP tries a different strategy:

Quote: (07-29-2015 06:33 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

It is my fault.. can someone delete my pictures? i do not want my information on here and I am not going to out the former member. I do not want to ruin anyone's life. i was just infuriated.

She admits that she is the wrong (although she clearly doesn't actually believe this), but refuses to accept any actual responsibility with a typically feminine justification: "I was just infuriated."

The justifications and excuses continue:

Quote: (07-29-2015 07:06 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Quote: (07-29-2015 07:00 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Quote: (07-29-2015 06:58 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

i would not be so "hot" and "cold" and "on" and "off" if there was no reason to be. The lying and manipulation did it for me.

So, what you are saying is that your poor behaviour and unappealing personality is all his fault.

Hmmmm.

i would have acted "normally" if he hadn't been lying and manipulating me the entire time. Even his own friend told me that he probably has issues and possibly some form of social disorder. I really would never treat someone like shit for no reason.

OP has stopped repeatedly insulting the membership, but you can bet your bottom dollar that she still would be if she wasn't trying to curry favour and get her pictures removed.

If anyone here is still questioning female nature, pay special attention to this. OP repeatedly insulted our forum as a whole and only began to behave (slightly more) civilly when she wanted something. Even then, she couldn't help by blame everyone else in the world for her terrible behaviour.

OP tries to take curry sympathy:

Quote: (07-29-2015 07:15 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

I have always been nice to the men that I date..that's why I am friends with them all even after we had broken up. He is the only one that i have acted this way with for reasons i have mentioned. I am not going to be resentful because i know that there are good men out there and that not every guy is the same. He is the only one who has seen my "crazy" side.... because he brought it out, and i got tired of his abuse.

But, she is quickly shut down by Tuthmosis:

Quote: (07-29-2015 07:21 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Something's not computing.

Why did you feel it necessary to come in and insult all of us, calling us--if I remember correctly--"basement-dwelling losers"? We didn't hurt you. This person did, and you lashed out at complete strangers. We have feelings too. What if I really did live in a basement?

It sounds like more than just him saw your crazy side.

Shocked that there is no whiteknight emerging to rescue her from a situation of her own making, OP returns to throwing about insults as she tries to school us on what is appropriate male behaviour:

Quote: (07-29-2015 09:11 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

Look, there is nothing wrong with picking up women and sleeping with them if that's what both parties want. However, things like negging are kind of manipulative. I don't think you need to try to lower anyone's self-esteem to try to make yourself feel better. When he did it to me, I knew exactly what he was doing and even joked about it. I just think that teaching men to be "alpha" and telling them to do shitty things like lie, deceive, and manipulate them is horrible. Women do this to guys too, of course... i'm not saying that is okay. I just wish people were more honest and weren't trying to play with emotions and all of that. I think this forum is a space for men who feel insecure and unworthy... they try to measure up and compare themselves to other men and that's how they determine their self-worth. i don't think it gives some guys "real" confidence. It might teach them how to talk to more women, so they get more results, yeah. However, i feel like the honesty in conversation is lost...and you see women as "targets" rather than people. It's like we are some kind of rare Pokemon.. and not in a good way. i am a very shy person and would never come up to a guy first, so there is definitely a lot of pressure for men in that respect. However, on this forum, there is a lot of misogyny going on and it seems like the negativity outweighs the actual self-help stuff.

Quote: (07-29-2015 07:24 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

And I just seriously wish that you guys would realize that this PUA stuff does not teach authenticity. I met some men recently... they were all awkward and clearly "beta" types. They were being themselves. I also gave them my number. I just feel like you can have confidence and self-worth without treating women poorly. There's more to your self worth than how many women you sleep with and how hot they are. There's nothing wrong with picking up women as long as there are no lies and manipulation. If a woman is treating you like shit, then yeah, you should put your foot down because nobody deserves to be treated that way. I know some of my friends have treated those super nice ones like shit, and they finally left. I don't do that to nice guys. This does not mean that i will date any nice guy just because he is nice... I obviously have to be attracted to them.

Of course, funny enough, it's obvious to any red pill man that OP simply isn't attracted to nice guys. That's why she repeatedly took cock from a banned forum member who she admitted knew was dicking other women all over the city.

She could have been dating a nice guy...but she wasn't. She stuck with a guy who "hurt her again and again" because she "felt comfortable with him."

Behold the power of the dark triad.



What happens next is a case study in female solipsism.

Quote: (07-29-2015 08:36 AM)Alau211 Wrote:  

I don't think anyone would just act "normally" having been lied to and manipulated constantly. Enough was enough. When he was acting nice, I was nice. When he was lying and being a sociopath, I didn't act so "normal."

If she only knew what it was like to deal with women as a man. Some the forum is full of many, many men who manage to act normally, despite repeatedly being lied to and experiencing manipulative behaviour at the hands of women.

The careful reader knows, of course, that OP is a bastion of lies and manipulation herself. That's how she treats men, with lies and manipulation.

She admits (quoted above) that she knew that the (former) forum member that was fucking her silly was indeed fucking other women at the same time.

She claims that she "just wanted him to be honest about it."

We men know better. She wanted to squeeze an admission of wrong doing out of him to use as future ammunition to assault him with any time she wanted to win an argument or demand additional resources.

Of course this man was smart enough to admit to nothing. Women don't "just want you to be honest with them." The want to force admissions out of you to harangue you with at their convenience.

There is no poor victim here. This woman is an evil cunt.

If she wasn't satisfied with just being a spinning plate occasionally luck enough to take dick from a 50 year old millionaire in D.C., she could have stopped seeing him at any time.

She could have tried dating one of those "nice guys" that she's allegedly so open to dating.

But she didn't do that. She continued being the personal fucktoy of a man who had already forced her to suffer emotional pain. Why? Because she loved it.

Never doubt the power of the dark triad.

Damn fine work, Sir.

^Forum member, enderilluminatus, would like to have a word with you.

Quote: (07-31-2015 08:20 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

I dated a dirty skank. Should I expose her

For the record I am a huge fan of skanks, especially dirty ones. This thread has convinced me to continue to keep my career out of conversations- If a girl asks me what I do for a living, the answer is "what I want". Apparently cancer researcher, or surgeon is the wrong answer....shit, you are better off saying porn producer, or mercenary for hire-if condom free first night sex is the goal anyway...

Relevant:

Quote: (07-31-2015 11:14 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

If a girl asks me what I do for a living, the answer is "what I want".

Quote: (07-31-2015 11:14 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

Apparently cancer researcher, or surgeon is the wrong answer....

Yes, that screams beta bucks.

I consider it an insult when a woman eyes me as beta bucks AND tries to make me wait to bang her.

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*snip*

Entertaining read. Game 101 and applied Red Pill examples were on full display here:

-Alpha fucks/beta bucks
-Alpha widowism
-Negging
-Attention whoring
-Female rationalization hamster
-Female subjective mind vs. male objective mind
-Qualifying
-White knighting
-Abundance vs. scarcity

We saw it all and I appreciate Tuth's resolve to let this one play out a bit. A good deal can be learned from this thread.

As a final note I would like to state: White knighting is atrocious and at best benefits no one but women to validate them and satiate their unquenchable desire for attention; at worst contributes to the ever declining dating environment and male/female dynamic in modern Western culture where it is perceived that women have an infinite pool of options and men are desperately competing for scarce resources. Coddling women is not going to make them revert back to 1950's era housewives, and it's not an efficient way to win their favor and/or get into their pants.

I find it more incredible how quickly a woman changed the tone of this forum.

Women really do ruin anything they get allowed into.

Quote: (07-30-2015 10:44 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Quote: (07-30-2015 03:14 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I don't remember seeing or meeting the girl after the DC lecture. The banned member she dated (Divorco) is a troublemaker who I'm sure is a feminist sympathizer. He came to the DC lecture to troll the Q&A. He failed. Then he hopped on a bus one week later to New York City. He was at the hotel but didn't come into the conference room, deciding to interrupt conversations during the happy hour instead. I received complaints about him afterwards.

I, for one, think bans from the forum should extend to all aspects of the Roosh Franchise. You can't post on the RVF, you can't comment on ROK, you can't get tickets to Roosh Lectures, and you can't eat at Rooshinoya Pussy-Beef Bowl locations.

Since you guys like forum drama, I'll manufacture some for your continued amusement. I'll target one of the forum's biggest drama hounds:

I think Mechanico should have to explain himself on the Divorco matter. He repeatedly endorsed him on the forum, pleading on his behalf and asking me--on more than one occasion--that I not ban him. He always supported the case with the argument that he was a cool guy in person. Now, this seems to suggest that Divorco might be as autistic and feminist in person as he was on the forum.

If we think about, this whole drama happened because of Mechanico. If Mechanico never grabs my hand as I'm about to hit the ban button on Divorco years before he was finally banned, he never becomes a "PUA," this poor defenseless girl never gets victimized, and she never joins the forum and trolls us--forcing secretly heroic members to waste precious time having to write her supportive walls of text through private message.

Nice. Yeah you're right and I will explain why I came to his defense.

First Divorco is not a PUA or a troll. The stuff that comes out of his mouth he actually believes through years of betaness-programming. You would think no way can this be for real but it is for real and anyone here that's met him will tell you the same.

I thought those are the types of people that we were here to help.

Not game related but the guy is a wealth of knowledge in other areas so he has value as a member.

He admits himself he should be banned now.

Quote: (07-31-2015 08:15 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I've been a dedicated dark night since 1979.

This was the final straw.

Quote: (07-31-2015 08:15 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

My date? Makes Wesley snipes look Irish but steak and eggs all around.

Emech, do you happen to have a son that occasionally gets in fights with 30 or so white knights in clubs sometimes?

I'm with crash, cleanslate and cj on this one. Theres no excuse for the mods, especially tuth for allowing this attention whore to go 12 pages. Whats even worse it didnt get shut down after the exposure (she called out perps were pm'in her). I understand everyone here was having a field day but that was a red flag. I respect the mods here but I feel there was some bad modding going on here. And I'm pretty sure reno got the clue, along with the rest of peeps who pm'ed her, they need some inner game work. I'm tired of all the white knight insinuations. Were Men, not kids.

Quote: (07-31-2015 01:12 PM)s3k Wrote:  

I'm with crash, cleanslate and cj on this one. Theres no excuse for the mods, especially tuth for allowing this attention whore to go 12 pages. Whats even worse it didnt get shut down after the exposure (she called out perps were pm'in her). I understand everyone here was having a field day but that was a red flag. I respect the mods here but I feel there was some bad modding going on here. And I'm pretty sure reno got the clue, along with the rest of peeps who pm'ed her, they need some inner game work. I'm tired of all the white knight insinuations. Were Men, not kids.