Grandma Nancy weighs in. "Focused" she tells us about the protests.

Yeah, right...sure.

Quote: (10-12-2011 04:47 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

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Kanye West (net worth, $75 million) visits the protests in some very expensive threads

Well that convinced me that the Occupy movement is a total sham. I'm watching Glen Beck and Sean Hannity right now to deprogram myself.

Hey, don't listen to those guys. Just listen to me!!

A right-wing dude I know on FB posted a link to this guy's blog entry. For those that support the movement, this will seriously piss you off:

http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/1483/oc...-at-my-tv/

Quote: (10-12-2011 05:42 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Occupy Wall Street Protester Wants College Paid For Because That's What He Wants

You can go to any protest and cherry pick people who say something absurd. Just like I can go to a Tea Party rally and see loons claiming Obama photoshopped his birth certificate and should be impeached.

I often wonder just how serious these riots really are. People act like America has never had any flash, violent riots. Newsflash: Violent riots and uprisings are repeated throughout American history--Shay's Rebellion, the rebellion by Irish immigrants over the draft during the Civil War, the Rodney King L.A. riots, etc. This movement will fade into history just like the others. Nothing special. Keep moving along folks.

Quote: (10-13-2011 02:13 AM)blurb Wrote:  

I often wonder just how serious these riots really are. People act like America has never had any flash, violent riots. Newsflash: Violent riots and uprisings are repeated throughout American history--Shay's Rebellion, the rebellion by Irish immigrants over the draft during the Civil War, the Rodney King L.A. riots, etc. This movement will fade into history just like the others. Nothing special. Keep moving along folks.

Sure.

Because the events you listed were insignificant in American History, right?

Tenderman: I know you live in NYC... do you also work for the financial sector? You are vehemently against the Occupy protesters so I'm just curious if your lifestyle is at stake or if it's more ideological.

I obviously don't speak for Tenderman, but most of my friends who work in the financial sector (I am in electric power conversion, self-employed) are not concerned about the protesters and find them a subject of comedy.

I don't approve of the protesters because they are leftists, but there is good in what they are doing. A friend of mine commented that when rebels fly the red banner on Wall Street, perhaps Washington will be stirred to action. It was after all the threat of Communism and the action of labor unions which brought us the unprecedented prosperity, employment, and equality of the postwar epoch.

ea303, thank you for your kind remarks.

Hooligan Harry, I don't see a dichotomy between my views and yours. In fact I strongly endorse a culture where success is rewarded and failure is punished. However, that doesn't mean I need to agree with the economic theories of the Cato Institute. The part about Edison is particularly ridiculous, as if technological innovation can't function unless there is no taxation or government regulation.

Tenderman, screw free speech. Political free speech for corporate organizations without limit (remember, this is NOT just business) is the free speech of the bull horn. Yell the loudest, drown out the others.

Quote: (10-13-2011 08:51 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Tenderman: I know you live in NYC... do you also work for the financial sector? You are vehemently against the Occupy protesters so I'm just curious if your lifestyle is at stake or if it's more ideological.

I did work for an investment bank some years ago, and have earned various securities licenses. Right now I run my own consulting business and have some real estate holdings.

I wouldn't say I am "vehemently" against them. Like Thorfinnsen's pals, I find them incredibly comical. Moreover, they are getting the sort of press play that is way out of proportion to both their numbers and their specific policy agenda -- which is to say they HAVE NO policy agenda.

Look, the Democratic Party, and the left in general, are desperate for some kind of dynamic demonstration excitement to counter the Tea Party. They tried it in Wisconsin...that petered out. They're trying it now...this is going to peter out. These guys are the flaccid dicks of politics.

Just so we're all clear, I am not a Republican. I consider myself a libertarian with a very small 'L". I think drugs should be legalized. I think abortions should be available on demand. I believe government should get out of the way and allows us to fuck and make money.

There are things government should do -- and yes that includes STABLE and MINIMAL regulation. But there are many things it does do it has no business doing. LIke being a venture capitaliist (I've done work for venture capitalists, and let me tell you, doing it well is really hard and the assholes in the Obama administration have zero clue). Like creating GSE's like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac so people who have no business buying houses can buy one and eventually have it foreclosed on them, with you and me footing the fucking bill. Like funding the cowboy poetry festival.

I could give two shits if people think I am an "fanboy" of Paul Ryan. Want fanboys? Think about the inauguration of Barack Obama. If Jesus Christ came back, there wouldn't have been such a huge fawning crowd, most of whom apparently couldn't figure out the purpose of a trash receptacle. All that the do-nothing empty suit had to say to complete the picture was, "In my Father's house there are many mansions..."

No, I like Paul Ryan, all his other stupid votes aside, because he has a brain and because about the debt and deficit he is telling the unvarnished truth. You think what happened in 2008 was bad? We're heading off the tallest financial cliff you can imagine if we keep going down this path of borrowing money we don't have, and making promises to future generations that there is no way we can keep.

Bottom line, the leftist progressive experiment is in its death throes. It is intellectually bankrupt. This descent into intellectual oblivion has been going on since the fall of the Berlin wall. My guess it has another 10-15 years tops, though if it comes sooner, it can't come soon enough.

Quote: (10-13-2011 08:58 AM)Thorfinnsson Wrote:  

Tenderman, screw free speech. Political free speech for corporate organizations without limit (remember, this is NOT just business) is the free speech of the bull horn. Yell the loudest, drown out the others.

Screw free speech? Really? Wait till the feminist thought police come crashing onto this board.

Who gives a shit if corporations want to spend their money on political speech? The fact is they don't have to do any speaking because what they do today is hire expensive K street lobbyists who quietly write legislation that favors them. Be pissed off at that, not that they can run ads for some candidate. Because they are not going to do that. That's way too unsubtle.

I have zero problem with ANYBODY spending as much money as they want to talk about whatever the fuck they want to talk about. People are afraid of argument, and want to regulate, suppress it, monitor it. Fuck that.

Let's hear what everybody has to say, and let the best argument win.

Of course, that is one of the key problems of the left. Political correctness. Watch what you say!! Don't be too harsh now.

Maybe a national movement now..not so comical.

Quote: (10-13-2011 09:48 AM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Screw free speech? Really? Wait till the feminist thought police come crashing onto this board.

Who gives a shit if corporations want to spend their money on political speech? The fact is they don't have to do any speaking because what they do today is hire expensive K street lobbyists who quietly write legislation that favor them. Be pissed off that that, not that they can run ads for some candidate. Because they are not going to do that. That's way too unsubtle.

I have zero problem with ANYBODY spending as much money as they want to talk about whatever the fuck they want to talk about. People are afraid of argument, and want to regulate, suppress it, monitor it. Fuck that.

The golden rule: he with the most gold makes the rules. When moneyed interests can use their money to strongly influence ideology and the public debate, the priorities of moneyed interests increasingly dominate society.

This isn't rocket science, nor is it a leftist belief. Adam Smith was very critical of the idea of "rule by merchants", stating that they would use political power to enrich themselves. You think that might have been behind the SEC in 2004 deciding it was a capital idea to let bulge bracket investment banks regulate their own risk and not be subject to any capital requirements at all, after Hank Paulsen placed a phone call?

Quote: (10-13-2011 09:48 AM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Let's hear what everybody has to say, and let the best argument win.

Of course, that is one of the key problems of the left. Political correctness. Watch what you say!! Don't be too harsh now.

I suspect that you, and others here, understand that the best argument doesn't always win. It's much more about how the argument is presented, how it squares with what the audience wants to believe (their wants themselves having being structured for them by culture, parents, media, etc.), and the perceived social status of the man presenting their argument. I have very little faith in rational public discourse, especially this day in age with our 24/7 garbage infotainment.

Since you brought up feminism, it is still a article of feminist faith that women make a quarter less than men for the same work. Numerous economists have debunked this, showing that once you adjust for hours worked and professions chosen there is no difference. If you dig deeper into the data and look at labor productivity, women are overpaid.

Yet the feminists keep screaming out EQUAL PAY FOR EQUAL WORK. And they can't be shut up, because they have the bull horn.

tenderman100 and Thorfinnsson -

Out of curiosity, do you find the Tea Party rallies equally "comical"?

I find them a little better, just because the participants are older and have middle class sensibilities. But other than that, yes.

The Tea Party started out like OWS--a formless mob with the vague idea that something is very, very wrong with America. And being a formless mob is fine--that is how all mass movements start. But just as OWS is now degenerating into a panopoly of silly leftist demands, the Tea Party has been hijacked by beltway Republicans to use as a vehicle to push the same failed beltway Republican policies of the past generation.

Quote: (10-13-2011 10:11 AM)Thorfinnsson Wrote:  

I find them a little better, just because the participants are older and have middle class sensibilities. But other than that, yes.

The Tea Party started out like OWS--a formless mob with the vague idea that something is very, very wrong with America. And being a formless mob is fine--that is how all mass movements start. But just as OWS is now degenerating into a panopoly of silly leftist demands, the Tea Party has been hijacked by beltway Republicans to use as a vehicle to push the same failed beltway Republican policies of the past generation.

Fair enough.

Quote: (10-13-2011 10:11 AM)Thorfinnsson Wrote:  

I find them a little better, just because the participants are older and have middle class sensibilities. But other than that, yes.

The Tea Party started out like OWS--a formless mob with the vague idea that something is very, very wrong with America. And being a formless mob is fine--that is how all mass movements start. But just as OWS is now degenerating into a panopoly of silly leftist demands, the Tea Party has been hijacked by beltway Republicans to use as a vehicle to push the same failed beltway Republican policies of the past generation.

Thofrinnsson.. actually it's the reverse that happened. The TP was financed by outside $, and bussed into to events such as anti-health care reform. It then began to have its own demands and yanked the GOP to the right, especially after the 2010 midterms. Now the GOP are trying to shake them off and become a more traditionally conservative party again.

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Be pissed off at that, not that they can run ads for some candidate. Because they are not going to do that. That's way too unsubtle.


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actually that's exactly what they're doing. But we won't know about it.
B/c the source of the $ does not need to be disclosed.

Quote: (10-13-2011 09:37 AM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Quote: (10-13-2011 08:51 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Tenderman: I know you live in NYC... do you also work for the financial sector? You are vehemently against the Occupy protesters so I'm just curious if your lifestyle is at stake or if it's more ideological.

Look, the Democratic Party, and the left in general, are desperate for some kind of dynamic demonstration excitement to counter the Tea Party. They tried it in Wisconsin...that petered out. They're trying it now...this is going to peter out.

Actually there's a recall effort going on right now there. So it's not over.
And they say that the OWS stuff was inspired by what went down in Wisc

Didn't the protesters vote for Obama?

Quote: (10-13-2011 09:37 AM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Bottom line, the leftist progressive experiment is in its death throes. It is intellectually bankrupt.

when did this experiment you're referring to occur?

Thorfinnsson: You find THIS to be more sensible....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI

??

Didn't someone earlier in this thread post a video of some OWS speaker advocating socialism and violent revolution? Isn't that a cherry-picked example to discredit a mass movement? Do you the creator of this video had a similar intention?

I definitely chuckled at the, "OBAMA SPENDS LIKE A WOMAN," sign at any rate...

Even the mainstream media, while covering the Tea partiers, highlighted their angry and "aggressive" views. Seeing signs like "We come in piece... for now" and bringing guns to protests was common.

If you want to attack the Occupy kids, pick something that the Tea Partiers didn't themselves do. If I was a conservative I'd stick to the "dirty communist hippies" line of attack.

I think that's a reasonable view. The Tea Party is angry, and so are the OWS people. People should be angry given what has happened and is happening to our country.

I also don't want to marginalize either group too much--we need more of this from both left and right despite incoherence, anger, and various unsavory elements.

I am definitely on the right, but I'm no conservative. I'm not sure if there's much worth conserving about our country anymore, and given your expat tendencies I suspect you feel the same way about America.

Anybody else think that the White House fabricated the Iran-Saudi bomb plot to distract from the OWS phenomenon?