[Roosh]

I thought I'd get this started since there are some interesting videos and articles coming out of these protests, which has now gone over 3 weeks and spread to dozens of American cities.

http://www.occupytogether.org/

Whether you agree with them or not, they are disrupting the conversation. This is what me and my fellow manosphere bloggers do when it comes to attacking American feminists.

I respect those who fight against the status quo, regardless of their cause (as long as the protest is being done by people instead of corporations).

[OSL]

These people are unorganized, aimless, and will fail because they have a faceless nemesis and are unclear about their goals.

[thegmanifesto]

(10-10-2011 03:56 PM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  

These people are unorganized, aimless, and will fail because they have a faceless nemesis and are unclear about their goals.

I agree with the "faceless nemesis" part, but I think "goals" can come about as things move forward.

If things keep picking up speed, "failure" may not happen.

Here is a concise voice for the movement:

Hot off the presses:

Here things get a little heated in Seattle:

[OSL]

Make a plan, save up 10K USD, and take the plunge to Asia. I'd like to tell these Occupy Wall Street protesters to make a move to emerging market economies until the job market over here picks up again.

You have to get here first, though.

"Eighty percent of success is showing up."
-Woody Allen


Choice 1 - Sleep on Wall Street and complain about "Evil Corporations" not giving you a job

Choice 2 - Cold call managers at companies in SE Asia and China until you get an internship, work your ass off as an intern for four months, then get a full time contract with a digital media PR firm in Shanghai. Start dating a hot Chinese chick who was a finalist in China's equivalent of "America's got Talent." Begin handling your own accounts within 6 months on the job and make priceless business connections in emerging markets. True Story.

Fix a broken system or go to where growth is happening?


Make your choice, or someone will make it for you. Opportunities multiply as they are seized.


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[MikeCF]

(10-10-2011 03:56 PM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  

These people are unorganized, aimless, and will fail because they have a faceless nemesis and are unclear about their goals.

That pic is silly. People don't have a problem with corporations qua corporations. Their problem is with corporate ownership of government.

Corporate ownership of media, too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrati..._ownership

And the bailouts.

Posting pics like that just make you a useful idiot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

See Sonny from "A Bronx Tale."

[kerouac]

This group seems "aimless" because they are not united. Some of them are angry because they can't find jobs. Some of them are angry that this country's health care system is fucked. Some of them are angry that they are broke while the richest 1% are richer than ever. Some of them are angry that corporations have more say than individuals.

There are plenty of reasons to be angry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Un...Commission
http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesameric...ealth.html

These are not communists trying to take over the government. They're just ordinary folks who feel dissatisfied.

While the Tea Party people get to be angry that America is just not the way it was before, whether it be because it's not as white as it was before, or whatever the hell they are angry about, this group is angry that the democratic values that made this country what it is today are being gnawed at and chipped away.

This is more of a frustration over democratic values rather than economic principles. It's a fight against corruption.

[speakeasy]

Unfortunately I don't think much is going to change until our protests have the aggressiveness of the Santiago, Chile economic protests. I'd hate to see it get to that point as I don't like upheaval. But peaceful protests aren't going to scare any bankers.

ygb Wrote:

Make a plan, save up 10K USD, and take the plunge to Asia. I'd like to tell these Occupy Wall Street protesters to make a move to emerging market economies until the job market over here picks up again.

As if I want to live in China. Bad food, dirty, smoggy, crowded, ugly women, hard as hell language, authoritarian big brother government that blocks words like "democracy" and porn from search engines. No thanks.

[kbell]

http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/...ll-street/

A great article on it. I doubt its 1% more like 20%. The ratio of 1 to 99 reminds me of the 80/20 ration that tends to occur a lot.

[Basil Ransom]

The problem with the protests is that bringing like-minded people together drives the debate to the extremes. The organizing principle of regulating and punishing Wall Street as appropriate, is an excellent one. Matt Taibbi's articles are a good starting point.

But it has evolved into this overarching program for vast leftist policy. It's now about doing more of the things that got us into the position we're in. More money on education, more money on healthcare, more regulations that drive up the cost of doing business... Right as we're going broke.

G, nice vid on Alan Grayson. I agree with his first half, but punishing Wall Street and providing healthcare and education are two very different things. The danger of the Occupy Wall Street movement is that it will start demanding so much in so many areas that the whole goal of reining in the finance sector will get thrown by the wayside. There are beneficial nonpartisan reforms that can be made, but the radicals on either side will never accept them (eg immigration amnesty on the left, no new taxes on the right).

I usually like P.J. O'Rourke's stuff, but from that video alone I'm starting to hate him. I can't stand people who respond to honest discussion with distracting comedy. It's impossible to have an intelligent discussion with people like that around.

(10-10-2011 04:20 PM)kerouac Wrote:  

this group is angry that the democratic values that made this country what it is today are being gnawed at and chipped away.

This is more of a frustration over democratic values rather than economic principles. It's a fight against corruption.

Replace 'democratic' with 'constitutional' and you have the Tea Party, at least in theory. Besides, the country was not founded as a democracy, but as a republic.

YMG, your comments are borderline trolling.

[thegmanifesto]

basilransom -

"I usually like P.J. O'Rourke's stuff, but from that video alone I'm starting to hate him. I can't stand people who respond to honest discussion with distracting comedy. It's impossible to have an intelligent discussion with people like that around."

Yeah, PJ was trying to be "funny guy" and got pimp slapped hard by Grayson.

If I was PJ I would commit suicide for taking such a slapping.

"The danger of the Occupy Wall Street movement is that it will start demanding so much in so many areas that the whole goal of reining in the finance sector will get thrown by the wayside."

So true.

It always seems that the financial sector starts slipping out of the bullseye.

They have such a great hustle going.

[Roosh]

[blurb]

The greatest criticism of democracy is that only the popular, instead of the most qualified, honest, or competent, will get elected.

[CupCake]

(10-10-2011 03:56 PM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  

These people are unorganized, aimless, and will fail because they have a faceless nemesis and are unclear about their goals.

I agree.

I accidentally walked into one of these protests the other day and couldn't believe how unorganized it seemed to be. There doesn't seem to be any ideological basis for this at all. It was nothing more than a group of slackers coming out into the street, dressing in ridiculous shit, holding signs with hippie slogans, and generally talking shit about the "haves".

These people need to read Ron Paul and join the Tea Party already. These garbage protests aren't going to do anything except potentially damage innocent peoples' property and block traffic.

[CupCake]

Roosh's Venn Diagram is correct.

[PDX]

Ahh, America.

The only place where people will criticize protesters who are actually acting on their behalf and in their best interest.

And then go to the polls and vote for those who don't.

[MikeCF]

(10-10-2011 05:12 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

They have such a great hustle going.

They own the media. This allows them to shape the debate. Media says, "Here's what the protesters are protesting," and that's what the public believes. Even the protesters get off message.

Wall Street and their "non-profit" and "think tank" shills also inserts spies into these protests. These spies pretend to be protesters, and tell the media (which coincidentally knows which protesters to interview): "This is what the protest is about."

Here is a proven example of such spies:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201110100001

A great book, Into the Buzzsaw, discusses these issues:

http://www.crimeandfederalism.com/2010/1...zzsaw.html

There is no free press. For real news, people have to watch the Russian Times videos on YouTube, and turn to blogs and message boards.

[MikeCF]

And here we go. This spy claims he's being paid to protest:

http://www.businessinsider.com/wall-stre...st-2011-10

A REAL media organization would ask him his name. They'd ask who is paying him. They would DEMAND pay stubs as a way to fact check it. Then the media would RESEARCH the company on the stubs (if the spy thought to provide stubs) to see if it was more than a shell corporation for Wall Street.

You will see more and more of these spies getting airtime and interviews. Mark my word.

[Basil Ransom]

(10-10-2011 05:40 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

There is no free press. For real news, people have to watch the Russian Times videos on YouTube, and turn to blogs and message boards.

The most honest news source you can find is wholly owned by an autocratic foreign government, a government that was formerly and perhaps still is our greatest enemy. You couldn't make this shit up, it's hilarious.

Vice TV is also great, but more niche. Also the Christian Broadcasting Network.

[speakeasy]

(10-10-2011 05:36 PM)CupCake Wrote:  

(10-10-2011 03:56 PM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  

These people are unorganized, aimless, and will fail because they have a faceless nemesis and are unclear about their goals.

I agree.

I accidentally walked into one of these protests the other day and couldn't believe how unorganized it seemed to be. There doesn't seem to be any ideological basis for this at all. It was nothing more than a group of slackers coming out into the street, dressing in ridiculous shit, holding signs with hippie slogans, and generally talking shit about the "haves".

I went by the protest in my city yesterday and I must say I walked away with the same impression. Really kind of a rag tag thing with mostly hippy types. They had some sort of speaker/spoken word guy on the microphone and he was rambling on about a lot of idealistic stuff about how we all come from Africa and we are all one blah blah...Then there were a bunch of guys walking around with 9/11 "truth" materials to pass out. I left disappointed. Maybe this will evolve into something more organized and directed and that people other than dreadlocked Venice Beach hippies will show up at. They also need to keep all this other causes out and focus on economics. I'm not there to protest against the death penalty or rally for gay marriage or illegal immigration.

[Chad Daring]

(10-10-2011 03:56 PM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  

These people are unorganized, aimless, and will fail because they have a faceless nemesis and are unclear about their goals.

Pictures like this are complete potshots.

If you were to cut all corporate consumerism out of your life you'd be naked, alone, and hungry. Its here to stay, the problem is there's not regulation.

I think the fact they're using the phone made by a large corporation to send messages on a social network owned by a large corporation to spread the word is brilliant. Use their own against them.

The other problem with these protests is intermingled with the truly down trodden and broken youth are a lot of stupid ass kids who fucked up their own lives.

I've got no solace for an unwed single mother who's 22. She's a dumb cunt who wasn't on the pill, probably didn't use a condom, and let the guy nut inside her anyways. She deserves the shit she's been handed.

Same with pot smoking burnouts who bitch because the only job they can get is fast food, yet they disregard the fact they cant get a better one because they couldn't pass a piss test.

These people make easy targets for those that oppose the protests and the message they send.

I'm among the "99%" as a young guy who was basically strong armed into college by family, teachers, and other adults I "Looked up to" when I was young. What pisses me off the most is that those same people who basically shoved me into the debt mill only have one answer when I tell them my woes, "thats life" or "life isn't fair"


I've been watching a lot of this as well and what I cant believe is how much NO ONE is really talking about this. There are major protests going on in almost all major cities in this country, and all I hear people talk about at work or on the street is the same old bull shit about TV or celebrities.

Personally I dont think this "wait em out" hippy approach will work. Sitting in a drum circle isn't going to get shit changed.

Its gonna take a stand in the face of certain failure to get results, and in America most are to afraid still. Even the "99%" still have a good amount to lose. Once that last little bit is taken from them though, thats when I think shit will hit the fan.
   

[Easy E]

I don't know what these protests are going to accomplish.

If they want to scare the Wall Street banksters, they would need to show up with petrol bombs and AK-47s - not signs and tents.

I hate to say it, but America is too fucked up to be saved by just holding signs or protesting.

I have a feeling this all going to end in tears. The only question is when does the shit hit the fan?

[Chad Daring]

Im curious how on edge the police officers are around OWS. One slip up like what happened in London over the summer could ignite a HUGE powder keg.

[thegmanifesto]

Right now Larry "Cocaine and Cufflinks" Kudlow is freaking out and scared on TV for this:

Occupy Wall Street Has Some Bad News For The Rich Residents Of The Upper East Side

http://www.businessinsider.com/occupy-wa...de-2011-10

This is going to get good.

Don't count this thing out.

I too am amazed (well, not really) by the little amount of coverage this has gotten.

This is easily the best thing going right now.

[blurb]

The average westerner has taken all of the benefits and privileges in society that he has for granted. Compared to the third world, the middle class is born with a silver spoon in its mouth. We are now seeing people have those things taken away from them. Things such as a job that pays decent wages for survival, a home, food, clothes, electricity, and water. I wrote a post on this topic in Real-Life Wisdom, but made the mistake of making it too long for anyone to take notice or read. Without pain, there is no value. You don't know what you have until you lose it.

The average westerner is out of touch with reality. He is shielded from the harsh realities of a poor, miserable third-world lifestyle by a wide array of comfortable air-conditioned buildings and safety nets that included job security, job benefits, family for support, etc. We are blind to just how tumultuous life can be through our idyllic credit-crazy consuming culture. Now, those pillars are eroding, and people are waking up. People are starting to see what is truly important in life besides the crass materialism crammed down everyone's throats.

American culture glorifies rugged individualism. The idea that through your own hard work, you make it on your own. I'm sorry to say, but I'm seeing fewer and fewer people actually like this. People are dependent. People are scared. I find few people that are creative, can think analytically and critically, and can innovate. They talk about finding a comfortable, secure, well-paying job instead of starting their own business and staking it out on their own. People have become brainwashed zombies. It's sad actually.

Most people don't completely comprehend just how utterly fragile life is. Your foot missteps on a flight of stairs and you fall down cracking your head open and die. One molecule in a base nucleotide sequence in your DNA mutates which causes abnormal gene expression which leads to cancer and you die. One drunk driver running a red light and killing you. You get foodpoison.

Humans are inherently selfish beings. We like to think of ourselves as higher beings, as moral, and superior to animals, when we really aren't that much different. When the shit goes down, who will rise up? It is in fights, battles, and war that you see the true side of people. I see people talk about how they don't want a handout, only an opportunity to work, when I know that most of them, if they were in the elite's position, would run off with all our money just like the bankers did.

[Pusscrook]

...... and who do we think is the original source and the funding behind the "movement"? Everything has a beginning . I submit to you that it didn't start when you turned on the news one day.