[mikeymike]

(01-25-2012 06:23 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 05:50 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

I was always told eat something like beef (or casein protein) before bed because its slow dissolving. It'll stay in your stomach for longer and slowly work into your system, thereby "feeding" your body throughout the night.

The IF program I'm on right now has my last meal around 2pm on any given day so I'm always on an empty tank at night, I do notice that I wake up quicker the next morning vs when I was eating later and not waking up hungry.

In terms of losing body fat, which way do you think works best for you?

I believe even the IF guys think that the eating late is gonna make you fat is just a myth, they just subscribe to a limited feed window but if your fast starts before bed your last meal may be your biggest meal and that may be an hour or 2 prior bed so the don't eat before bed is bs, it's all about what you eat. If you're going to eat crap then eat it early so your body has time to break it down through the day but if you're eating a protein rich meal with slow absorbing carbs a couple hrs before bed your body will use the nutrients. I think the leangains site had up charts showing that eating late resulted in more bf loss than going to bed empty

[Parlay44]

Alright if no one is going to mention the bad stuff then I guess I'll have to

1. Ephedra - Diet pills with ephedra work extremely well at burning fat in short periods of time. So well that they banned them for a while. You may still be able get some variant out there or mail order from out of the country.

2. Water Pills - Water pills are diuretics and cause you to shed water weight quickly. Body builders use them a week before they're big tan oily posedowns. Still legal and over the counter.

3. Steroids - Holy crap I never lost weight as fast as when I was using Androstenedione. It's a testosterone booster. Actually it's a precursor that gets converted to testosterone in your liver. You'll be eating like a horse, pulling massive weights like an ox and shitting 5 times a day like your mouth was connected directly to your asshole. It used to be over the counter until Mark McGwire went and fucked it up for everyone. I've never felt better and more charged up in my life than when I was lifting hard on Andro.

4. Cocaine - Good old fashioned Colombian powdered exercise. Why do you think strippers look so good and skinny all the time? Bang a few rails of blow a day for 8 weeks and you'll see results.

[MiXX]

(01-25-2012 08:54 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Alright if no one is going to mention the bad stuff then I guess I'll have to

1. Ephedra - Diet pills with ephedra work extremely well at burning fat in short periods of time. So well that they banned them for a while. You may still be able get some variant out there or mail order from out of the country.

2. Water Pills - Water pills are diuretics and cause you to shed water weight quickly. Body builders use them a week before they're big tan oily posedowns. Still legal and over the counter.

3. Steroids - Holy crap I never lost weight as fast as when I was using Androstenedione. It's a testosterone booster. Actually it's a precursor that gets converted to testosterone in your liver. You'll be eating like a horse, pulling massive weights like an ox and shitting 5 times a day like your mouth was connected directly to your asshole. It used to be over the counter until Mark McGwire went and fucked it up for everyone. I've never felt better and more charged up in my life than when I was lifting hard on Andro.

4. Cocaine - Good old fashioned Colombian powdered exercise. Why do you think strippers look so good and skinny all the time? Bang a few rails of blow a day for 8 weeks and you'll see results.

LMAO!

Awesome post!

Mixx

[mikeymike]

(01-25-2012 08:54 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

4. Cocaine - Good old fashioned Colombian powdered exercise. Why do you think strippers look so good and skinny all the time? Bang a few rails of blow a day for 8 weeks and you'll see results.

bwahaha we need to forget about those thailand kickboxing vacations to get fit, colombia will get you fit with none of the hard work

[Chad Daring]

(01-25-2012 07:43 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 06:23 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 05:50 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

I was always told eat something like beef (or casein protein) before bed because its slow dissolving. It'll stay in your stomach for longer and slowly work into your system, thereby "feeding" your body throughout the night.

The IF program I'm on right now has my last meal around 2pm on any given day so I'm always on an empty tank at night, I do notice that I wake up quicker the next morning vs when I was eating later and not waking up hungry.

In terms of losing body fat, which way do you think works best for you?

I believe even the IF guys think that the eating late is gonna make you fat is just a myth, they just subscribe to a limited feed window but if your fast starts before bed your last meal may be your biggest meal and that may be an hour or 2 prior bed so the don't eat before bed is bs, it's all about what you eat. If you're going to eat crap then eat it early so your body has time to break it down through the day but if you're eating a protein rich meal with slow absorbing carbs a couple hrs before bed your body will use the nutrients. I think the leangains site had up charts showing that eating late resulted in more bf loss than going to bed empty

Yeah Martin has done a lot of work debunking both that eating breakfast is essential and that eating late will make you fat. His entire system kind of lynchpins on disproving both.


@Gio

I've never really played with what I eat at night as I'm in a "beggers cant be choosers" situation most of the time, eating what I get free from work.

At work, however, I get a full run of what I can eat for lunch, which is 2 hours before I workout. I know for sure the days I would eat fish or chicken I would start to get hungry halfway through my workout, vs the days I would eat beef I would stay full all the way through the workout.

[Giovonny]

(01-26-2012 08:17 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

@Gio

I've never really played with what I eat at night as I'm in a "beggers cant be choosers" situation most of the time, eating what I get free from work.

Huh???

You can't afford to feed yourself at night? You can only eat what you get free from work?

It's hard to get in shape if you can't even buy yourself decent food.

Well, you are in the right place. The Roosh forum can help you lose weight, make money, and get laid.

I would focus on the money part first.

Also, If you think breakfast is not important and eating late at night is good for you, well, be careful with that, it goes against the recommendations of 99% of the trainers/nutritionists that I've heard comment on it.

Try it and see what happens, thats the only way to know for sure.

[bmn200]

Most nutritionists are clueless and think saturated fat is bad for you and causes heart disease as well as plenty of other nonsense.

[Chad Daring]

(01-27-2012 12:51 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(01-26-2012 08:17 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

@Gio

I've never really played with what I eat at night as I'm in a "beggers cant be choosers" situation most of the time, eating what I get free from work.

Huh???

You can't afford to feed yourself at night? You can only eat what you get free from work?

It's hard to get in shape if you can't even buy yourself decent food.

Well, you are in the right place. The Roosh forum can help you lose weight, make money, and get laid.

I would focus on the money part first.

Also, If you think breakfast is not important and eating late at night is good for you, well, be careful with that, it goes against the recommendations of 99% of the trainers/nutritionists that I've heard comment on it.

Try it and see what happens, thats the only way to know for sure.

Making brash assumptions

I'm actually on an IF program where I skip dinner and fast from roughly 2pm to 8am.

And an assumption that I cant get good food from work is a bit brazen as well. I work in a high end catering company, I've got 5 pounds of roasted chicken quarters in my fridge I snagged from work today as well as some stewed okra and steamed broccoli.

I can go buy food but why buy what I can get for free?

"99% of the trainers/nutritionists that I've heard comment on it. "

And 99% of "dating experts" tell you to take a girl out to dinner and tell her how pretty she is. I'm fairly certain we're all here, in one way or another, because we realized 99% of people are wrong.

[Alfonzo]

Hehe well some mentions method to loose fat fast but, at the end you have to perform for your run .
First you need muscle . Muscle burn fat faster . What I want to say is if you just jug you won't loose that much and you will loose muscle over fat . Crossfit and interval sprint could be good . You need to drink a lot and you will need to swet . Do your work out in sweatshirt inside . Outside with a swetsuit .Eat well and often . Don't skip a meal . Your body will react in keeping your next one in your belly . Green tea up your metabolism and help to burn fat . Workout During the day it's good too , it help to burn more calories . Sauna are a good thing to . Swimming,sauna,swimming,sauna ....many time will be good for you . When your metabolism is activated you swet more .

[billy]

So first thing to know is that only one person got it close and that was when ephedrine was mentioned, stay away from coke as it is expensive and will destroy your muscle tissue. You need to know first why you are fat before you try anything. If you are fat becasue of eating too much shit and not enough training then its easy to fix, just train more and eat meat and vegetables and carb up depending on your workout days. If you are fat becuase genetically you are fat then get ready for pain starvation and ALOT of drugs think Ephedrine Caffene Cytomel T3, trenbolone and GH.

[ccurtis189]

I'm trying to lose weight too. And so far I'm being good about keeping track of my daily calorie intake and eating good foods, but I can't help but go out and have a few drinks 2-3 nights a week.

[RichieP]

Lose fat, not weight (which will include muscle mass and water). Track skinfold BF%, not lbs on the scale

Eat Paleo diet, coconut oil to stave off brain fog, Daily calorie deficit of 500-1000, strength training 2x week, sprints or kettlebells/tabatas 2x week. Carbs only after workouts, and even then only a sweet potato / small portion of rice.

If training for a race, check out the Crossfit Endurance protocol

[Cr33pin]

Do that juicing fast like on the documentry Fat, Sick an nearly dead... it will cure all kinds of other shit to

[bmn200]

Juice is a bunch of sugar, not good for you at all. maybe an improvement over how some people eat though lol.

[Chad Daring]

(01-30-2012 01:55 PM)bmn200 Wrote:  

Juice is a bunch of sugar, not good for you at all. maybe an improvement over how some people eat though lol.

Dont comment on something you clearly have no information about. The juice fast Creep was talking about was VERY heavy on vegetables, not fruits.


Creep, have you actually tried that kind of raw/juice fast before?

[Cr33pin]

(01-30-2012 03:13 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

Creep, have you actually tried that kind of raw/juice fast before?

No. id like to just for the health benefits, but i dont wanna lose any weight... after watchign that documentry it seems very legit

[Chad Daring]

(01-30-2012 03:40 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

(01-30-2012 03:13 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

Creep, have you actually tried that kind of raw/juice fast before?

No. id like to just for the health benefits, but i dont wanna lose any weight... after watchign that documentry it seems very legit

Yeah I'd like to try it too, just to see how I feel on it. I'm sure you could tweak it to not lose as much muscle, loads of legumes (which I believe were allowable)

My only hangup with it is that it seems to be inherently very expensive. If I get to a comfortable point in my life I could see myself doing it one or two times a year just to clean out the system.

[_DC_]

(01-30-2012 07:11 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

(01-30-2012 03:40 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

(01-30-2012 03:13 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

Creep, have you actually tried that kind of raw/juice fast before?

No. id like to just for the health benefits, but i dont wanna lose any weight... after watchign that documentry it seems very legit

Yeah I'd like to try it too, just to see how I feel on it. I'm sure you could tweak it to not lose as much muscle, loads of legumes (which I believe were allowable)

My only hangup with it is that it seems to be inherently very expensive. If I get to a comfortable point in my life I could see myself doing it one or two times a year just to clean out the system.

If you're serious about fasting, don't half ass it. Do a water-only fast. Juice fasting encourages more muscle loss than water fasting. Severe calorie restriction (as opposed to absolute calorie restriction) will kick the body in and out of ketosis, which is the process of using fats as energy in the absence of input calories. The switch over is confusing and cannibalizing of muscle tissue is highest during these transition periods.

http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=335

I feel great if I do a 5-7 day fast. My strength doesn't decrease. Only warning is even though you drop a bunch of weight, if you're not very careful about your post-fast eating habits, you will gain it back rapidly (as the metabolism is a bit slower for a few weeks).

Its not an ideal weight loss solution, but it definitely allows cleansing on a whole different plane way more powerful than juice fasting. It is also a superb self-control technique. Its amazing what the body can do. Be forewarned however, its not easy by any stretch of the imagination.

[RichieP]

Nice post DC, agree about water over juice fasts. How do you find muscle mass retention after the 5-7 day water fast? Lose alot or not too bad?

Theoretically a coconut oil fast might be just as good. Because it converts to ketones you'll still be in full ketosis the whole time, just with less of a calorie deficit so perhaps less muscle wasted. And you'll get the detox benefits because you're still reducing your protein intake to zero, so your cells still reach the same level of autophagy (e.g. "cleaning the crap out"). I dunno how much pure coconut oil a man can take without any other food though, lol.

[_DC_]

(01-30-2012 08:19 PM)RichieP Wrote:  

Nice post DC, agree about water over juice fasts. How do you find muscle mass retention after the 5-7 day water fast? Lose alot or not too bad?

Theoretically a coconut oil fast might be just as good. Because it converts to ketones you'll still be in full ketosis the whole time, just with less of a calorie deficit so perhaps less muscle wasted. And you'll get the detox benefits because you're still reducing your protein intake to zero, so your cells still reach the same level of autophagy (e.g. "cleaning the crap out"). I dunno how much pure coconut oil a man can take without any other food though, lol.

I believe within the time frame of 24-72 hours the most muscle tissue is used, 2-3 ounces. Every day afterward the body uses approx. 0.5-1 ounces of muscle as a few bodily functions need amino acids (though everything else runs just fine on fat stores). Worst case scenario on a 7 day fast is half a pound (8 ounces) of muscle tissue, which is not noticeable. A juice fast can result in a perpetual 2-3 ounces a day, as the body is confused whether to switch to ketosis or not.

Here is a breakdown (see Physiological Changes): http://www.gaianstudies.org/articles4.htm I have no idea what Gaian studies are, but I've seen the physical data many times before and this is the first site I came across with the information. I believe Dr. Sheldon is the source of the info.

It flabbergasts me the percentage of people who don't understand the difference between fasting and starvation.

What do people think those fat deposits are for?? They are precisely for periods of no food, of which our ancestors had long stretches thereof. Starvation is when the body runs out of either fat or the small amounts of necessary protein. One obese man went over a year without eating on a hunger strike protesting a rape he claimed he didnt commit.

[RichieP]

Nice, makes alot of sense. Cool to hear that the muscle loss isnt appreciable. I'm still trying to uproot all the bodybuilding myths that have sunk into my brain over the years ("eat every 2 hours or you'll waste muscle!!!") Juice fasting always struck me as deranged too, especially when people do it as a cancer treatment. Seems to me it's about the best way to feed the cancer and ruin the rest of your body!

That for that link too, good info.

[Giovonny]

I saw an amazing body tranformation yesterday. A guy that I work with lost about 30 pounds. Its not just the weight he lost, its the changes he made to his body. He went from soft to hard.

He used to drink alot, drink alot of soda, eat alot of fast food. He was chubby.

Well, now he is fucking ripped. I mean ripped. I was blown away. I asked him how he did it.

He said it was all diet.

Here is a sample of his diet.

8am - Oatmeal with berries and honey.
10am - 5 egg whites, avocado, corn tortillas
1pm - Grilled chicken salad
5pm - Grilled fish, brown rice, salad
8pm - Fruit

Next Day

8am - Smoothie of banana, almond butter, oatmeal, milk
10am - Egg whites with black beans and tomato
1pm - Grilled chicken with brown rice and yams
5pm - Steak and salad
8pm - vegetable juice

Almost everthing organic, nothing processed, no added sugars, very little booze.

This motherfucker went from having a beer gut to having a tight six pack!

Amazing.

His exercise was just alot of push ups, pulls ups, dips, and squats.

[xmlenigma]

How long did it take him?
How old is he? age?

[WesternCancer]

What have you guys done to lose body fat while still getting decent gains in the gym? I'm doing stronglifts right now, my working weight with squats is 250, deadlifts 275 rows/bench 140 and ohp 90. I want to keep getting decent gains. I'm 6'2 225lbs with a bf of ~22% I want to get down to at least 200lbs and ~18%bf by the end of april. I was thinking of eating 2500 cals on workout days and 2000 on the rest of the days keeping my protein/fats high and my carbs nearly nonexistent. I'm also going to do cardio after my lifting. I'm afraid that my gains wont be as much or I won't have enough energy to get through the workout. Any suggestions/thoughts?

[alecks]

(02-01-2012 06:41 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

What have you guys done to lose body fat while still getting decent gains in the gym? I'm doing stronglifts right now, my working weight with squats is 250, deadlifts 275 rows/bench 140 and ohp 90. I want to keep getting decent gains. I'm 6'2 225lbs with a bf of ~22% I want to get down to at least 200lbs and ~18%bf by the end of april. I was thinking of eating 2500 cals on workout days and 2000 on the rest of the days keeping my protein/fats high and my carbs nearly nonexistent. I'm also going to do cardio after my lifting. I'm afraid that my gains wont be as much or I won't have enough energy to get through the workout. Any suggestions/thoughts?

i know what your trying to say but here is the reality of it bro

you cannot gain muscle tissue when you are in a caloric deficit (unless your on anabolics,which i doubt,like most of us).
You CAN keep most of your gains by lifting heavy and keeping calories sufficient for muscle maintenance.find out what your BMR is and only reduce calories by about 20%.dont go into starvation mode,you'l lose so much muscle by doing that.

Also keep lifting heavy.biggest noob mistake i see is dudes lifting heavy,then when they start dieting they think they should train lighter with higher reps.DONT. how did your muscles get to the size they are now? = heavy lifting.if you start to train light your muscles will recognize this and realise it doe'snt have to retain all this mass,then you end up getting smaller!!.

id recommend doing cardio on an empty stomach in the morning first thing,insulin levels are the lowest then,so fat stores are used for energy,and by cardio i mean walking on a treadmill for 30 mins etc.

track your calories for the day,keep carbs around by your PM workout.easy man.rome wasnt built in a day,so be patient.