[Samseau]

(11-21-2011 02:23 AM)Jack D. Serrano Wrote:  

(11-21-2011 01:39 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

That is EXACTLY what this guy proposes:

http://www.doclove.com/

It's part of his "system". My friend ran the system game and now he's been going out with the same girl for almost 2 years. He lives with her. I'm not sure how it's going to turn out, but needless to say his success story so far inspires me.

I'm familiar with his material (as I'm familiar with a lot of material).
Excellent, common-sense dating strategies from what I've heard of it.

However, most everything I mentioned in my post has simply been the most common sense way (from my perspective) for me to easily date lots of the quality of women I like simultaneously, while letting them chase me and not have things fall apart with girls when I am not willing to be exclusive with them. I thought it was fairly mainstream knowledge that you shouldn't talk politics/religion/negative stuff on dates and that seeing a girl more than once a week, contacting her all the time, or spending the night with her would send her the message that you want more a more serious relationship. A lot of it was probably from modeling my dad's behavior with my mom when I was growing up. Light, playful, always joking, never serious, no "sharing your feelings", etc.

Again, I'm avoiding calling what I do Doc Love game on purpose (you're free to call it anything you like). Mainly because I don't know the specifics of his system and because, even though I've only read a certain portion of what he has written, I've already seen things from him that are *very* different from what I do.

Although, with regards to any similarities about certain actions I take, I'm sure your observations are completely valid and correct.

Well, I think you and Doc Love are basically clones of each other. But maybe not.

Doc Love says no touching or kissing untill she starts touching you. What do you say to that? My friend, who is currently in a two-year relationship (living with her as well), said he did not kiss his gf until the 2nd formal date. He did not fuck her until after a month of dating.

Do you agree with that?

[Jack D. Serrano]

(11-21-2011 02:47 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Doc Love says no touching or kissing untill she starts touching you. What do you say to that? My friend, who is currently in a two-year relationship (living with her as well), said he did not kiss his gf until the 2nd formal date. He did not fuck her until after a month of dating.

If your friend is happy with that then that's okay.
If your friend is not happy with that then maybe doing something differently might have been better.

Some of the craziest (girls pulling me to 'unusual' sex locations) and fastest sexual experiences (less than 60 minutes) I've had and heard about have been by refraining from touching or kissing her first.

I've found that the less I touch women, the more they touch me.
At the same time, the more I touch women, the less they touch me.

A lot of it is about building sexual response potential so that she is literally shaking at the anticipation of getting to have sex with me.

I've found that, for me, the easiest way to create situations where - the girl is the one begging me for sex, chasing me for sex, buying me gifts in exchange for orgasms, the girl is the one trying to convince me that we should have skip the date and have sex, the girl is the one who does everything possible to turn me on, jumping me for the sex first time I give her the chance, basically flipping the entire script so that she is the one chasing after sex while I am the one who has to hold back - the easiest way I've done this is by letting the girl touch me, rather than touching her.

Think about it like this - What do all girls know is one of the easiest way to get a guy to like her? Physical touch. If a girl likes you, and wants you to like her (for any number of reasons), and you keep your hands to yourself, what is usually (in my experience) her FIRST resort? Touching me in order to try to win my approval.

When a girl has to bring something more to the table other than their looks, sex appeal and physical touch, things can get crazy.

I don't think Doc Love talks about any of that kind of stuff, but I could be wrong.

(11-21-2011 02:47 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Do you agree with that?

I don't think it's morally wrong/right to touch girls before they touch you.
I don't think it's morally wrong/right to not touch girls before they touch you.

It's simply one way of doing things that will get different results than a different way of doing things. It's up to guys to decide if those are the results that make them happy.

If touching girls first gets you results, relationships and women that make you happy then I say, go for it.
If letting girls touch you first gets you results, relationships than women that make you happy then I say, go for it.

[Samseau]

Yeah you're pretty much in agreement with Doc Love. Doc Love has been saying the same shit you say for over 20 years.


I've almost got you figured out, but one more question.

Where do you meet women? Night time or day time? Or both? Talking game, or dancing, or something else?

When you take them out on dates, do you do action oriented dates or more typical dates such as coffee/drinks?

Details, details. I want to know so I can properly evaluate your game. I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger and trying a 180 degree change in my game.

[Jack D. Serrano]

(11-21-2011 03:38 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Yeah you're pretty much in agreement with Doc Love. Doc Love has been saying the same shit you say for over 20 years.

Cool.

(11-21-2011 03:38 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I've almost got you figured out, but one more question.

Cool.

(11-21-2011 03:38 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Where do you meet women? Night time or day time? Or both? Talking game, or dancing, or something else?

I spend about an hour a day approaching 30 attractive women a day. Train stations, streets, shopping malls, etc.

Let me know if you end up doing this for several months/years. I always enjoy talking with guys after they've incorporated that habit into their lives. Makes for great learning.

(11-21-2011 03:38 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

When you take them out on dates, do you do action oriented dates or more typical dates such as coffee/drinks?

Depends on my goals with the woman.

Coffee dates - sometimes.
Drinks - sometimes.
Action oriented dates - sometimes.
Activity then a meal - sometimes.
Straight to my place - sometimes.

(11-21-2011 03:38 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Details, details. I want to know so I can properly evaluate your game. I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger and trying a 180 degree change in my game.

I don't consider what I do to be better than other guys game. Simply different. In fact, many guys I talk to judge "game" according to how it helps them sleep with women who aren't into them. By that standard, I have zero game. What I do works well for me with the kind of women like. The results I get make me extremely happy.

However, it might not be the same for you or another person who tries to do what I do.

[Vicious]

There's a bunch of questions popping up here about Jack's particular brand of game and I admit my curiosity is peaked. Maybe you could put up a separate thread for this Jack?

[Jack D. Serrano]

(11-21-2011 06:53 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

There's a bunch of questions popping up here about Jack's particular brand of game and I admit my curiosity is peaked. Maybe you could put up a separate thread for this Jack?

Good idea.
No need to derail this thread.

Borrowing the words from your reply, the new thread is titled: Jack D. Serrano's Particular Brand of Game - Similarities and Differences

[Scarlet_Terror]

Went out with an Arab 7.5-8 on Friday. Tall, fit.

We were at a lounge. About 2 drinks in after lots of mundane talk (work, travel, blech), she goes..

"You're really...hot. And I like your skin."

She also called me funny a few times and maybe touched my arm once or twice. Gave her a ride back and I was gonna go for a kiss but she pre-empted me with a hug. Text ysterday for another date but no response yet. Not sure how I fucked that one up. I refrained from being too blunt/judgmental. Cute girl and easy to talk to. Damn.

[Menace]

(11-21-2011 11:26 AM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  

Went out with an Arab 7.5-8 on Friday. Tall, fit.

We were at a lounge. About 2 drinks in after lots of mundane talk (work, travel, blech), she goes..

"You're really...hot. And I like your skin."

She also called me funny a few times and maybe touched my arm once or twice. Gave her a ride back and I was gonna go for a kiss but she pre-empted me with a hug. Text ysterday for another date but no response yet. Not sure how I fucked that one up. I refrained from being to blunt/judgmental. Cute girl and easy to talk to. Damn.

If a girl says you're hot that means you must bang the same night, or at least try to get away with as much as possible.

[RandalGraves]

(11-21-2011 11:26 AM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  

Went out with an Arab 7.5-8 on Friday. Tall, fit.

We were at a lounge. About 2 drinks in after lots of mundane talk (work, travel, blech), she goes..

"You're really...hot. And I like your skin."

She also called me funny a few times and maybe touched my arm once or twice. Gave her a ride back and I was gonna go for a kiss but she pre-empted me with a hug. Text ysterday for another date but no response yet. Not sure how I fucked that one up. I refrained from being too blunt/judgmental. Cute girl and easy to talk to. Damn.

ABC = always be closing. The girl was giving you big signs of interest, and the big escalation planned was just a kiss goodnight? I would have handled it in two ways: if she did not live with her parents, I would have gone inside with the "bathroom" line. If she did, I'd at least make out in my car.