rudebwoy, I agree on your thoughts regarding Poles and other Eastern Europeans situation in the UK. And I'm fully aware of how Polish people are viewed across Britain -- I now have a Polish-English mix in the family that I stay pretty close to, so I know where they stand on the subject as well even though nobody will say that to me face-to-face.
Still, that's not so black-and-white either. Based on my experiences people working low-end jobs are usually more hostile towards EE workers. Educated and young people (not necessarily educated) in most cases have no problem with Polish or other EE people, and as you said -- they enjoy their company.
So no, I don't think stigma against the EE workers is the sole reason behind Brexit, however it surely was a great bargaining chip to get the less educated workers on the same page. Let's not discuss whether Brexit was a good idea or not though (too broad subject for this discussion). I will just add that as a Polish person I am pro-brexit, but if the UK society remains as it is (and it will), then nothing will change either way. White children will be wearing burkas and your kid's best friend, Nicole, will have a cock.
Then there is that why they are not coming back. I believe there is a couple of reasons.
Unlike people on Roosh V, your average Joe has no desire to move places, look for better opportunities, make new friends, get a new girlfriend/boyfriend etc. People like stagnation. They like to do what they have been doing for the last couple of years, eat, shit, occasionally fuck, and watch femi-nazi TV shows. This is the reality for the whole world -- and this exact sequence is the reality for all white, both more and less developed countries.
And that applies to people of all ages. Sure, to a higher degree for people that moved to the UK years ago, have a family, kids in school, friends and their whole life together. There is more of those people that one may assume actually -- people for which UK has been a home for more than a decade.
Others who have lived here for a couple of years, got their life together a bit and are happy with where they are -- they won't be eager to leave either, unless you force them. Why? Again, because people in general do not really like to change things.
Others love to shit on their home country and ignore the facts as well while praising other countries. And that includes all socioeconomic groups, however, again, is more common amongst people working low-end jobs. The tendention to shit on what surrounds us is common for all of us though, whether it's money, comfort of living or girls. We can see it even on this forum -- "the grass is always greener on the other side" kind of thinking. I get it, but I prefer to talk with down to earth people that know where the reality stands. And it's rarer than ever nowadays I believe.
Then there are people that just enjoy living abroad. I have a few colleagues that moved abroad not even because they didn't have the ability to find a decent work here, but just wanted a change. They enjoyed working abroad, living in a shared flat with friends etc. That has later transitioned into a better job, established social circle and so on -- why bother with coming back then?
What I believe applies for most people though is the fact that people don't like changes in general. If they are happy with where they are, so be it. And this may be especially true in terms of economic migrants (EE workers), as based on an example of Poland, majority of people I met in the UK come from smaller cities and rural Poland. Number of people migrating from Warsaw, Kraków, Wrocław, Gdańsk etc., is quite low to be honest. Especially if we take into account people with Master's degree and PhD -- most of them, if they leave, then it's only for opportunities.
And these people can't blamed. When I said a similar lifestyle can be achieved in both the UK and Poland I didn't take into account just how many people in Poland come from underdeveloped, slowly dying 'villages'. They are usually clueless about the world and a bit scared of taking their lives into own their hands as well (especially the younger ones). And small PL towns offer no perspectives for young people in opposition to the UK, which industry was developing for years, reaching all regions of the country. That's not the case in Poland, where wealth and opportunities are gravitating towards bigger cities only.
And then there is why Polish people have a reputation of either cheap labour force or blue-collar specialists -- because that's the majority of people leaving, especially now. I can see it being different years ago -- opportunities simply weren't there, so it was only natural to seek them abroad even for the most educated. Nowadays for majority of people it is not a necessary upgrade, but rather a preference.
There is a cool tool I have found -- you can use it to create your own graph:
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statist...eate-graph
And as you can see based on the recent statistics, the number of Polish (or EE/EU8) workers in the UK have been constant lately. In terms of Polish people I see it dropping and I'm certain it will keep dropping, regardless of how the Brexit matter turns out. That applies to other countries as well, like Germany.
Also,
Klan Killer mentioned Taiwan. Taiwan is actually a great example of a country where wages are quite low, but that is prospering quite well. I would say it's an Asian equivalent of Poland and many people are not aware of that. Like when I talked to some of my Polish friends, they did put Taiwan in the same box as The Philippines, Cambodia etc. For them it's either Japan or South Korea or everyone in Asia is starving. This is the same level of ignorancy as comparing Poland or Hungary to Ukraine and Turkey. There is a reason why certain countries have not joined the EU after so many years, especially after even Bulgaria and Romania managed to do that, which just confirmed that the EU is/was keen on accepting basically anybody that can meet certain, very low requirements, like... government not being corrupted right to the core.
And also to
Klan Killer -- Poland is one of the fastest growing economies in the EU last I heard. I personally see it kind of like 'newbie gains' in the gym though, but the fact that the country is moving forward and already provides decent standard of living is reassuring. Actually here is a solid read if anyone is interested:
https://www.theglobalist.com/poland-econ...ean-union/
Also - I just read a while ago that Poland is helping Spain and France (so I believe) fight the VAT crimes in their countries as our new 'system' did a great job so far. I only skimmed through the article, so can't provide any details, but clearly Poland is progressing in other aspects as well and can from time to time provide others with their own innovations (which is great for a country being stagnant for so long).
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