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Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?
#76

Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?

Quote: (05-16-2019 09:49 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

4. For every 1,000 Hungarian children, 6.1 die before their fifth birthday, according to a report by the Save the Children Foundation. This is above the EU average as well as the rates in countries such as Libya, Bulgaria, Cuba and Macedonia.

Since malnutrition is contributing significantly to this abnormally high statistic

It's a taboo in Hungary, but the gypsies actually make up 10-15% of the population. They are woefully undercounted in official statistics (2%? yeah right!).

If Save the Children somehow have accurate stats of infant mortality including all the rural gypsy ghettoes, that would probably account for Hungary's poor showing in this area. Therefore white Hungarians do not necessarily have quite so bad poverty and child mortality.

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#77

Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?

^ BS

@Tail Gunner - you haven't been to the country, so no point debating with you. Stats and links are always misleading, they don't paint the whole picture.

People leave the country because their are no jobs. The same way the Poles leave in mass, the Romanians leave in mass and insert any EE/Balkan country in that region.

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#78

Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?

Experts estimate 450k-1m Romani gypsies in Hungary. Population of Hungary is 10m-ish

They have censuses but obv not going to capture all the gypsies who don’t fill in the forms.

The mortality rate for gypsies must be an estimate too based on the fact they may be opting out of hospitals in large numbers

I wonder how they have calculated the mortality rate - if it’s based on hospital data it may still reflect the non-Romani Hungarian population fairly well
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#79

Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?

Quote: (05-16-2019 10:54 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

People leave the country because their are no jobs. The same way the Poles leave in mass, the Romanians leave in mass and insert any EE/Balkan country in that region.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Hungary unemployment rate:

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https://www.ksh.hu/docs/eng/xftp/gyor/mun/emun1903.html

BTW: Hungary has the very same unemployment rate right now as the U.S. Perhaps you were last in Hungary in 2012, when the unemployment rate was 12%.
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#80

Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?

Hungary is at full employment, it’s the wages these workers don’t want.

Can earn more doing menial jobs in the West than educated jobs in Hungary
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#81

Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?

Please stop, your argument is pointless.

Why compare to the United States?

Is that the gold standard.

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#82

Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?

No one is arguing that Hungary is some kind of a war torn shit hole. Just that it is a lot poorer than the west and has drastically worse economic prospects. I'd love to visit Budapest and I'm sure Hungarian people are great but I'm glad I grew up in America and not in EE. Yeah the dating market is worse here but I can accumulate 100x as much money, have 100x as successful of a career, then take that money and do as I please with it later in life. Places like Hungary and West Virginia are no Somalia but I doubt most RVF'ers would want to live there full time for any reason other than women.

From what I gather EE immigrants are essentially the EU version of the Latinos migrating into the US to work blue collar jobs.

I would imagine countries like Moldova, Romania, and Bulgaria are a lot worse. Never been there, and yes it's better than a Syria or a Mali, but they're still much, much poorer than most western, Asian, or Gulf countries.

Of course people are going to pursue better opportunity. I'm not poor but I want to work at a better company than I'm at right now. But this also means that the company I'm at right now isn't a great place to be. My level of wealth is not relevant to the situation.

I live around a lot of Chinese and Korean people. Most of them are pretty well off and would be upper middle class in China and India. They're not poor and probably have a decent standard of living back home. But they come here because America has a stronger economy, better prospects, and more opportunity for them and their kids. I'd visit China and India, lots to see there, but I wouldn't live there long term because it's a bad investment for me and my future kids (unless I had a generous expat package).

So yes, EE is poor compared to the west and large parts of the east. And while it's not as bad as Iraq or Syria it's still bad enough for people to want to leave it en masse.
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#83

Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?

Quote: (05-16-2019 11:25 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

Hungary is at full employment, it’s the wages these workers don’t want.

Can earn more doing menial jobs in the West than educated jobs in Hungary

Exactly. This is what I have been saying, now for the fourth time: People often move because they want a (comparatively) better life and better financial opportunities, not necessarily because they are poor or because there are no jobs.
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#84

Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?

Quote: (05-16-2019 11:26 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Please stop, your argument is pointless.

Why compare to the United States?

Is that the gold standard.

I am not arguing. I have no need to argue. I simply use facts to point out your indisputable errors.

Have you already forgotten your statement?

Quote: (05-16-2019 10:54 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

People leave the country because their are no jobs.

Your statement is demonstrably false. An unemployment rate of only 3.6% is basically full employment. Anyone knows that.

Hungary has an unemployment rate that is better than the unemployment rate in almost 90% of all European nations -- and about the same rate as Germany:

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics...statistics

So, I will say it for a fifth time: People move because they want a (comparatively) better life and better financial opportunities, not necessarily because they are poor or because there are no jobs.
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#85

Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?

Quote: (05-16-2019 12:10 PM)Klan Killer Wrote:  

From what I gather EE immigrants are essentially the EU version of the Latinos migrating into the US to work blue collar jobs.

I live around a lot of Chinese and Korean people. Most of them are pretty well off and would be upper middle class in China and India. They're not poor and probably have a decent standard of living back home. But they come here because America has a stronger economy, better prospects, and more opportunity for them and their kids.

The EE migration is not really that comparable to the Mexican immigration to the U.S. I know doctors, engineers, and other professionals from EE. They came to the U.S. for exactly the reasons that you stated for Chinese and Korean people. They came to the U.S. not because they were poor or destitute, but to achieve a higher standard of living and more opportunity for themselves and their children.

You cannot compare the level of education of Mexican or other Latin American immigrants to the U.S. to the level of education of people coming from EE.
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#86

Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?

I fail to see your argument.

Poor is poor.

People that have money or make money, generally don't move from their country.

Canada likes to throw around low unemployment numbers, but it doesn't tell the full picture. They don't take into consideration people who aren't on unemployment insurance and have stopped looking for work.

Also, there are many working dead end jobs or driving Uber. So stats will show them working, but for peanuts.

Quoting stats is pointless

The difference being in Canada you have an opportunity to make money and live a decent life.
Hungary doesn't give you that opportunity, the job prospects are poor. They aren't all educated professionals, my ex went to the UK as a nanny. Many of her friends work retail jobs or service industry jobs.

I know many Hungarian "dancers", they don't paint a nice picture like you do. Which is hilarious since you've never been to the country.

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#87

Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?

Quote: (05-16-2019 12:59 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Quote: (05-16-2019 12:10 PM)Klan Killer Wrote:  

From what I gather EE immigrants are essentially the EU version of the Latinos migrating into the US to work blue collar jobs.

I live around a lot of Chinese and Korean people. Most of them are pretty well off and would be upper middle class in China and India. They're not poor and probably have a decent standard of living back home. But they come here because America has a stronger economy, better prospects, and more opportunity for them and their kids.

The EE migration is not really that comparable to the Mexican immigration to the U.S. I know doctors, engineers, and other professionals from EE. They came to the U.S. for exactly the reasons that you stated for Chinese and Korean people. They came to the U.S. not because they were poor or destitute, but to achieve a higher standard of living and more opportunity for themselves and their children.

You cannot compare the level of education of Mexican or other Latin American immigrants to the U.S. to the level of education of people coming from EE.

Have you ever spent any time in Western Europe? Eastern Europe immigration to Western Europe is extremely comparable to Mexican immigration to the US. Huge numbers of the McDonalds staff, hotel cleaners, gardeners etc in places like the UK and Ireland are Eastern European. They're not moving from their home countries to clean toilets in places like Newcastle because Newcastle is glamorous - its because their home cities are dirt poor.

Its pretty funny that you're arguing about a country you've never been to, against people who've actually had boots on the ground experience there, for what its worth. You should really get off the internet and go actually experience places, it'll teach you far more than reading wikipedia.
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#88

Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?

Quote: (05-16-2019 12:10 PM)Klan Killer Wrote:  

I doubt most RVF'ers would want to live there full time for any reason other than women.

A lot of people would like to live there because there are almost no non-whites and muslims.
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#89

Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?

Quote: (05-16-2019 02:20 PM)zatara Wrote:  

Its pretty funny that you're arguing about a country you've never been to, against people who've actually had boots on the ground experience there, for what its worth. You should really get off the internet and go actually experience places, it'll teach you far more than reading wikipedia.

You people keep assuming things and reveling in your ignorance. Now you are telling me where I have not been? I have been to EE many times, both to countries with higher incomes than Hungary and to countries with lower incomes.

There was no reason to cite my experiences because the evidence is so clear -- and indisputable. Hungary has low unemployment rates. The people are not poor. Hungarians simply move to other countries for better opportunities and higher wages.

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As an EU member state, Hungary is part of the region-wide labor market, meaning a Hungarian can travel elsewhere in the bloc to find better work, and higher pay, without requiring a visa.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internationa...ts/580333/


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Nearly one half of Hungarian youth want to leave Hungary, mostly in search of a better life, according to public opinion pollster Republikon Institute, reports daily online
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40 percent of those between the ages of 18 and 24 said that either they or a family member wanted to move abroad, 34 percent in search of a better life, and 5 percent because of politics.

https://budapestbeacon.com/nearly-half-o...-pollster/
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#90

Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?

@Tail Gunner

When you going to Budapest? Where are you based now?
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#91

Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?

This is from your article.

"At the same time, though, Hungarian workers have continued to move out of the country in search of higher wages abroad. As many as 600,000 Hungarians—equivalent to around 9 percent of the working-age population—work outside of Hungary, and Orbán’s refusal to countenance immigrants filling the void has only made this shortfall more acute"

They are leaving the country because there is no money to be made there, which would mean the country is poor.

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#92

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Quote: (05-16-2019 12:59 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Quote: (05-16-2019 12:10 PM)Klan Killer Wrote:  

From what I gather EE immigrants are essentially the EU version of the Latinos migrating into the US to work blue collar jobs.

I live around a lot of Chinese and Korean people. Most of them are pretty well off and would be upper middle class in China and India. They're not poor and probably have a decent standard of living back home. But they come here because America has a stronger economy, better prospects, and more opportunity for them and their kids.

The EE migration is not really that comparable to the Mexican immigration to the U.S. I know doctors, engineers, and other professionals from EE. They came to the U.S. for exactly the reasons that you stated for Chinese and Korean people. They came to the U.S. not because they were poor or destitute, but to achieve a higher standard of living and more opportunity for themselves and their children.

You cannot compare the level of education of Mexican or other Latin American immigrants to the U.S. to the level of education of people coming from EE.

You don't migrate en masse to work as menial laborers in a richer country because your country is bursting with opportunity. I know Mexican and Central American doctors too, doesn't change the fact that most Latinos come here fleeing a shitty economic situation and gang violence.

I'll explain it you like this. Let's say that the dating market got so bad in America that men started immigrating en masse into places like Thailand and Ukraine. In this situation, it would be ridiculous to state that the dating market wasn't actually bad because the dating market is worse in Saudi or Afghanistan.

I'm not knocking immigrants, I wish the EE people in western Europe all the best, but let's not kid ourselves and say that these countries aren't poor.

There's a good reason why all the immigration goes from east to west in Europe and not the other way around.
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#93

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Love the materialistic PoV in this thread. Know a lot of people that live in "poor" places, but would not left their lives to live in a "rich" materialistic and globohomo hell like weatern Europe or the USA/Canada.

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#94

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Quote: (05-16-2019 03:20 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Quote: (05-16-2019 12:10 PM)Klan Killer Wrote:  

I doubt most RVF'ers would want to live there full time for any reason other than women.

A lot of people would like to live there because there are almost no non-whites and muslims.

I guess I'd get this if they have little going on for them at home.

All I can tell you is that I live in a pretty diverse area with a great job market and high earning potential. Yeah, it might be nice to live purely around people who look like me, and yeah, it's a suburb so the dating scene here sucks. But there's no way I'd trade a fantastic economy and a great income just so that I could bang more 7's and see more familiar faces around.

This is my POV and I think most would agree with me. Whites in most major American cities usually self-segregate to a certain extent, but there's a very good reason why they're not moving to fucking Moldova or West Virginia to get away from minorities.

I've seen what you're saying every now and then, I have a neighbor who upped and moved to Idaho cause he couldn't take the diversity in my area. But for every person like that there are probably ten whites moving to a diverse city or area to take advantage of the job market and economy. Say what you will about places like SF, NY, or even Houston, but if you're college educated and have any marketable skills, jobs grow on trees out there. They definitely do not grow on trees in a place like Romania or Macedonia.
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#95

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Quote: (05-16-2019 03:49 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

This is from your article.

"At the same time, though, Hungarian workers have continued to move out of the country in search of higher wages abroad. As many as 600,000 Hungarians—equivalent to around 9 percent of the working-age population—work outside of Hungary, and Orbán’s refusal to countenance immigrants filling the void has only made this shortfall more acute"

They are leaving the country because there is no money to be made there, which would mean the country is poor.

At this point, I am unsure whether you just cannot read the English language, have zero reading comprehension skills, or are simply trolling me.

It is literally impossible to read that passage and then reach the conclusion that you cited. The passage expressly states that Hungarian workers are leaving "in search of higher wages abroad." It says nothing about Hungarians leaving the country because they are poor. They just want a better life.
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#96

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So people that aren't poor, go to foreign countries to do menial jobs and clean toilets for the fun of it!

Higher wages equals more money, which means you have no money. Thus you are poor, they certainly aren't rich!

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

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#97

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Quote: (05-16-2019 04:00 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

Love the materialistic PoV in this thread. Know a lot of people that live in "poor" places, but would not left their lives to live in a "rich" materialistic and globohomo hell like weatern Europe or the USA/Canada.

Would you rather live your entire life in Moldova or would you rather live in California?

Would you rather live in New York or would you rather live in a meth addicted trailer park in West Virginia? Which one do you think would give your kids a better shot in life?

Doesn't matter if the individual Hungarians are fairly well off and are looking for better opportunity. If that opportunity was there in Hungary, they would have stayed there. We've established that Hungary is not a shit hole, but it's pretty funny to watch people try and cuck for the terrible economic situation in most of EE.
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#98

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Quote: (05-16-2019 04:02 PM)Klan Killer Wrote:  

Quote: (05-16-2019 03:20 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Quote: (05-16-2019 12:10 PM)Klan Killer Wrote:  

I doubt most RVF'ers would want to live there full time for any reason other than women.

A lot of people would like to live there because there are almost no non-whites and muslims.

I guess I'd get this if they have little going on for them at home.

All I can tell you is that I live in a pretty diverse area with a great job market and high earning potential. Yeah, it might be nice to live purely around people who look like me, and yeah, it's a suburb so the dating scene here sucks. But there's no way I'd trade a fantastic economy and a great income just so that I could bang more 7's and see more familiar faces around.

This is my POV and I think most would agree with me. Whites in most major American cities usually self-segregate to a certain extent, but there's a very good reason why they're not moving to fucking Moldova or West Virginia to get away from minorities.

I've seen what you're saying every now and then, I have a neighbor who upped and moved to Idaho cause he couldn't take the diversity in my area. But for every person like that there are probably ten whites moving to a diverse city or area to take advantage of the job market and economy. Say what you will about places like SF, NY, or even Houston, but if you're college educated and have any marketable skills, jobs grow on trees out there. They definitely do not grow on trees in a place like Romania or Macedonia.

The main reason people don't move abroad is because people in general don't want to move anywhere. The only exception is for financial gain, which is why people move to shitholes like New York. That's also the explanation for why Hungarians go abroad. You don't need to be poor to move abroad. People from rich countries move abroad all the time with no desire to stay there. Move, make money, go back. Ask how many of those Hungarians want to remain abroad? Not a lot. Poles, Ukrainians etc are generally often disdainful about the countries they work in.

I read Rudebwoy saying he talked to dancers slagging their country off. I mean, yeah prostitutes and strippers are definitely the moral beacon of truth.

Why don't more people move to Hungary? Language, difficulty getting a job, leaving behind family.

And just as important, most people are simply not aware what Budapest is like. They get their information from propaganda media. Look at OP, he went and was blown away, as was I. Don't trust your lying eyes right? Don't trust how Budapest is so safe and clean and pleasant and there are no non-whites and muslims.

I have no idea about your motivations in life. I'm self employed, I don't need a job and haven't for 10 years. I don't give a rats ass about working for Pajeets IT shop. I value beauty, peace and calm. I like to walk in a leisurely pace at night, with no need to look over my shoulder. I value that a lot. No amount of money can buy me that feeling of calm.

As western society degenerates with further immigration, the budget you need to stay away from diversity will only increase.
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#99

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Quote: (05-16-2019 03:40 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

You people keep assuming things and reveling in your ignorance. Now you are telling me where I have not been? I have been to EE many times, both to countries with higher incomes than Hungary and to countries with lower incomes.

There was no reason to cite my experiences because the evidence is so clear -- and indisputable. Hungary has low unemployment rates. The people are not poor. Hungarians simply move to other countries for better opportunities and higher wages.

So have you been to Hungary or not?
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Why is Budapest so poor but looks so rich?

Quote: (05-16-2019 04:20 PM)Klan Killer Wrote:  

Quote: (05-16-2019 04:00 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

Love the materialistic PoV in this thread. Know a lot of people that live in "poor" places, but would not left their lives to live in a "rich" materialistic and globohomo hell like weatern Europe or the USA/Canada.

Would you rather live your entire life in Moldova or would you rather live in California?

Would you rather live in New York or would you rather live in a meth addicted trailer park in West Virginia? Which one do you think would give your kids a better shot in life?

Doesn't matter if the individual Hungarians are fairly well off and are looking for better opportunity. If that opportunity was there in Hungary, they would have stayed there. We've established that Hungary is not a shit hole, but it's pretty funny to watch people try and cuck for the terrible economic situation in most of EE.


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