[Tail Gunner]

(05-16-2019 04:28 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 04:20 PM)Klan Killer Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 04:00 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

Love the materialistic PoV in this thread. Know a lot of people that live in "poor" places, but would not left their lives to live in a "rich" materialistic and globohomo hell like weatern Europe or the USA/Canada.

Would you rather live your entire life in Moldova or would you rather live in California?

Would you rather live in New York or would you rather live in a meth addicted trailer park in West Virginia? Which one do you think would give your kids a better shot in life?

Doesn't matter if the individual Hungarians are fairly well off and are looking for better opportunity. If that opportunity was there in Hungary, they would have stayed there. We've established that Hungary is not a shit hole, but it's pretty funny to watch people try and cuck for the terrible economic situation in most of EE.

Common sense, not so common to many people.

Oh, so both you guys finally agree with me. Great. The text that you highlighted is exactly what I have been saying, now for the sixth time: People move because they want a (comparatively) better life and better financial opportunities, not necessarily because they are poor or because there are no jobs.

You are correct, it is common sense. I have no idea why it took you so long to see the obvious.

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If that opportunity was there in Hungary, they would have stayed there.

No kidding, Sherlock. That is what I have been saying in all my posts over the past five pages. Thanks for finally agreeing with me.

This is like a Twilight Zone episode.

[rudebwoy]

(05-16-2019 04:25 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 04:02 PM)Klan Killer Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 03:20 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 12:10 PM)Klan Killer Wrote:  

I doubt most RVF'ers would want to live there full time for any reason other than women.

A lot of people would like to live there because there are almost no non-whites and muslims.

I guess I'd get this if they have little going on for them at home.

All I can tell you is that I live in a pretty diverse area with a great job market and high earning potential. Yeah, it might be nice to live purely around people who look like me, and yeah, it's a suburb so the dating scene here sucks. But there's no way I'd trade a fantastic economy and a great income just so that I could bang more 7's and see more familiar faces around.

This is my POV and I think most would agree with me. Whites in most major American cities usually self-segregate to a certain extent, but there's a very good reason why they're not moving to fucking Moldova or West Virginia to get away from minorities.

I've seen what you're saying every now and then, I have a neighbor who upped and moved to Idaho cause he couldn't take the diversity in my area. But for every person like that there are probably ten whites moving to a diverse city or area to take advantage of the job market and economy. Say what you will about places like SF, NY, or even Houston, but if you're college educated and have any marketable skills, jobs grow on trees out there. They definitely do not grow on trees in a place like Romania or Macedonia.

The main reason people don't move abroad is because people in general don't want to move anywhere. The only exception is for financial gain, which is why people move to shitholes like New York. That's also the explanation for why Hungarians go abroad. You don't need to be poor to move abroad. People from rich countries move abroad all the time with no desire to stay there. Move, make money, go back. Ask how many of those Hungarians want to remain abroad? Not a lot. Poles, Ukrainians etc are generally often disdainful about the countries they work in.

I read Rudebwoy saying he talked to dancers slagging their country off. I mean, yeah prostitutes and strippers are definitely the moral beacon of truth.

Why don't more people move to Hungary? Language, difficulty getting a job, leaving behind family.

And just as important, most people are simply not aware what Budapest is like. They get their information from propaganda media. Look at OP, he went and was blown away, as was I. Don't trust your lying eyes right? Don't trust how Budapest is so safe and clean and pleasant and there are no non-whites and muslims.

I have no idea about your motivations in life. I'm self employed, I don't need a job and haven't for 10 years. I don't give a rats ass about working for Pajeets IT shop. I value beauty, peace and calm. I like to walk in a leisurely pace at night, with no need to look over my shoulder. I value that a lot. No amount of money can buy me that feeling of calm.

As western society degenerates with further immigration, the budget you need to stay away from diversity will only increase.

Hungarians aren't returning home, sorry but that is the hard truth.

The other nonsense you wrote i won't even bother with.

[Que enspastic]

Tail Gunner have you been to Budapest.

If not, when will you go?

[The Catalyst]

Compared to Auckland, Christchurch, and vague memories of a few other places. Budapest is amazing, beautiful, comforting(with the normalcy), etc. However because of the extremely low purchasing power I wouldn't be bothering to live/work here(foreign/location independent income aside, or I just had a bunch of savings) if NZ didn't completely suck. Maybe I am too materialistic. That being said, because NZ does completely suck, life here is bliss in comparison, so I am very willing to slog it out. I probably would not be doing this if I was American, even as I dislike multiculturalism and homosexuality.

[Klan Killer]

(05-16-2019 04:25 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 04:02 PM)Klan Killer Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 03:20 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 12:10 PM)Klan Killer Wrote:  

I doubt most RVF'ers would want to live there full time for any reason other than women.

A lot of people would like to live there because there are almost no non-whites and muslims.

I guess I'd get this if they have little going on for them at home.

All I can tell you is that I live in a pretty diverse area with a great job market and high earning potential. Yeah, it might be nice to live purely around people who look like me, and yeah, it's a suburb so the dating scene here sucks. But there's no way I'd trade a fantastic economy and a great income just so that I could bang more 7's and see more familiar faces around.

This is my POV and I think most would agree with me. Whites in most major American cities usually self-segregate to a certain extent, but there's a very good reason why they're not moving to fucking Moldova or West Virginia to get away from minorities.

I've seen what you're saying every now and then, I have a neighbor who upped and moved to Idaho cause he couldn't take the diversity in my area. But for every person like that there are probably ten whites moving to a diverse city or area to take advantage of the job market and economy. Say what you will about places like SF, NY, or even Houston, but if you're college educated and have any marketable skills, jobs grow on trees out there. They definitely do not grow on trees in a place like Romania or Macedonia.

The main reason people don't move abroad is because people in general don't want to move anywhere. The only exception is for financial gain, which is why people move to shitholes like New York. That's also the explanation for why Hungarians go abroad. You don't need to be poor to move abroad. People from rich countries move abroad all the time with no desire to stay there. Move, make money, go back. Ask how many of those Hungarians want to remain abroad? Not a lot. Poles, Ukrainians etc are generally often disdainful about the countries they work in.

I read Rudebwoy saying he talked to dancers slagging their country off. I mean, yeah prostitutes and strippers are definitely the moral beacon of truth.

Why don't more people move to Hungary? Language, difficulty getting a job, leaving behind family.

And just as important, most people are simply not aware what Budapest is like. They get their information from propaganda media. Look at OP, he went and was blown away, as was I. Don't trust your lying eyes right? Don't trust how Budapest is so safe and clean and pleasant and there are no non-whites and muslims.

I have no idea about your motivations in life. I'm self employed, I don't need a job and haven't for 10 years. I don't give a rats ass about working for Pajeets IT shop. I value beauty, peace and calm. I like to walk in a leisurely pace at night, with no need to look over my shoulder. I value that a lot. No amount of money can buy me that feeling of calm.

As western society degenerates with further immigration, the budget you need to stay away from diversity will only increase.

Lol good for you but most people are not self employed digital nomads. People in EE would rather live around some black people than continue to deal with their garbage economies. This is evidenced by the outward flow of migration from EE to multicultural places like London.

The same goes for wanting to live in New York than living in some random town in flyover country. For most people, including most white people, having a career and a good standard of living means a lot more than living in an Aryan paradise.

You're entitled to your viewpoint but most people, including white people, would take multiculturalism over a shit economy any day of the week. And I'm not hating on you. For me personally I prefer a diverse environment since that's what I grew up with. I went to Taiwan and got pretty wigged out at how homogenous it was, so to each their own.

[Tail Gunner]

A list of all the countries on Earth, listed from the poorest to those with the most wealth. Hungary is #144 out of 190 countries.

As I have said all along, Hungary is not poor. It has 38 times the wealth of the poorest nation.

Is Hungary poor compared to some other nations? Sure, but that applies to almost every country on the planet.

https://www.atlasandboots.com/poorest-co...ld-ranked/

[nomadbrah]

Ok, now I feel I have to put a little sense into those of you who clearly have no clue what you're talking about, but spout of on some ridiculous sense of trying to raise yourself out of the mental apocalyptic of American urbania, by shitting on EE countries.

You guys have no clue spouting on off about wages and shit.

That's not a correct way to measure wealth at all. You have to look at what those wages buy. GDP per capita is completely meaningless and highly overestimates actual living standards in countries with large financial and public sectors.

We do however have a much better number for actual wealth, which is Purchasing Power Parity adjusted GDP:

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Comparisons of national wealth are frequently made on the basis of nominal GDP and savings (not just income), which do not reflect differences in the cost of living in different countries (see List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita); hence, using a PPP basis is arguably more useful when comparing generalized differences in living standards between nations because PPP takes into account the relative cost of living and the inflation rates of the countries, rather than using only exchange rates, which may distort the real differences in income. This is why GDP (PPP) per capita is often considered one of the indicators of a country's standard of living,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...per_capita

Hungary is ranked 44th in the world, which is only 6000 USD/year behind Israelis and only 9000 USD behind Italians. That's not a lot. 900 USD a month behind Italians. It's money sure, but hardly poor.

A country that is poor is South Africa at 11000 USD or Bosnia, Albania, Egypt, muslim, at the same income. That's 20000 USD behind Hungary. THAT is poor.

Hungary has the same GDP-PPP as Portugal.

So you guys don't know what you're talking about, at all.

If you had a bit of education, you might understand how currencies work and are manipulated (basically IOUs based on the trust of future earnings). This system has broken down and is fraught with fraud. What Hungarians and Poles are doing in London is taking advantage of geo-arbitrage, just like when RVFers are going where their sexual capital is misvalued in a positive direction.

[Tail Gunner]

(05-16-2019 06:20 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

We do however have a much better number for actual wealth, which is Purchasing Power Parity adjusted GDP

Yes, that is exactly how the chart that I posted in Post #106 was created. But this is an anti-science and anti-logic crowd, so do not get your hopes up.

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Major international organisations assess a country’s wealth using different factors. One criterion commonly used – including by the World Bank – is GDP per capita based on purchasing power parity (PPP).

PPP is the alternative to using market exchange rates. The actual purchasing power of any currency is the quantity of that currency needed to buy a specified unit of a good or a basket of common goods and services. PPP is determined in each country based on its relative cost of living and inflation rates.

Therefore, using PPP GDP (GDP per capita based on purchasing power parity) it is possible to assess each country and rank the poorest countries in the world.

https://www.atlasandboots.com/poorest-co...ld-ranked/

[nomadbrah]

GDP per PPP also confirms with numbers what the eye sees.

That Hungary and Poland are on the level of Portugal, that is, within a normal western european standard, albeit on the low end.

[rudebwoy]

Hungarians and Poles are in the UK and other countries because there are no jobs in their countries.
They mostly work jobs that the locals don't want to do, even my buddy in Iceland was complaining about the Poles and how they are disliked.
Wasn't Italy. Portugal, Greece and Spain bankrupt awhile back!

[nomadbrah]

(05-16-2019 06:45 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Hungarians and Poles are in the UK and other countries because there are no jobs in their countries.
They mostly work jobs that the locals don't want to do, even my buddy in Iceland was complaining about the Poles and how they are disliked.
Wasn't Italy. Portugal, Greece and Spain bankrupt awhile back!

Not true at all.

Poles can make a years wages in a few months in Northern Europe as skilled tradespeople, which is what they primarily work as.

Here is what I found with a quick Google:

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The construction sector stands for the employment of 85% of male Polish migrants in Oslo, thus making it by far the most important sector of employment accounting for almost 60% of all employment among Poles in Oslo.

This is not shitty work, it is highly paid labor union work.

You mentioned Reykjavik:

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Polish migrants in Reykjavik are found in slightly more diverse types of work. Like in Oslo, the construction sector is the most important la-bour market for Polish men, but many of them also work in the fish pro-cessing industry or other kinds of work.

Construction is very well paid, on par with most academic professions, particularly for skilled labor.

It's true that mostly polish women and similar work cleaning, but those jobs are now primarily taken by indians, south americans, refugees and similar.

Poland does not have high unemployment:

[Tail Gunner]

(05-16-2019 06:45 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Hungarians and Poles are in the UK and other countries because there are no jobs in their countries.

We have already established, as a fact (and a few pages back in this thread), that Hungary is at full employment and that Hungary actually has a worker shortage, not a jobs shortage. You need to catch up.

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“Budapest is almost empty of workers,” he said. All across Hungary, which has near-record low unemployment and one of the fastest-growing economies in Europe, there are not enough workers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/03/busin...e-law.html


And you keep mentioning Poland. Poland also has almost full employment and is also experiencing a labor shortage.

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Poland has one of the lowest unemployment rates in Europe but is struggling to find labour

https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/pol...abour-2537


How can you possibly be so wrong about so things so often? Are you trolling me -- or did you just wake up from a ten-year coma?

Yes, things were bad all over the world -- in 2008. It is now 2019. Please catch up to reality.

[zatara]

Based on you ignoring the multiple posters who've asked you, repeatedly, if you've actually been to Hungary Tail Gunner it appears you have not. Posting 21 different times (!) in this thread about a place you've never been to, telling other people who've been to it they're wrong in their opinions about it, seems... a lot. Isn't that pretty much the definition of bad posting here on the travel forum, posting Googled theories about places you've never visited?

[Mentavious]

I imagine if I went to Panama and stayed in Panama City the entire time I would think how well off that country was too.

[rudebwoy]

A troll is someone who argues about a place they've never been too.

If half of the population cannot afford the basics, I would consider that being not rich.

A country with so called full employment, doesn't instill laws to keep people from leaving. 600k people leaving says alot about the country and it's economy.

Posting stats and pie charts, doesn't beat boots on the ground in a country and staying with locals.

Most of the Hungarians I meet overseas don't come from Budapest.

I would love to hear your experience in the country!

[Mekorig]

(05-16-2019 04:20 PM)Klan Killer Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 04:00 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

Love the materialistic PoV in this thread. Know a lot of people that live in "poor" places, but would not left their lives to live in a "rich" materialistic and globohomo hell like weatern Europe or the USA/Canada.

Would you rather live your entire life in Moldova or would you rather live in California?

Would you rather live in New York or would you rather live in a meth addicted trailer park in West Virginia? Which one do you think would give your kids a better shot in life?

Doesn't matter if the individual Hungarians are fairly well off and are looking for better opportunity. If that opportunity was there in Hungary, they would have stayed there. We've established that Hungary is not a shit hole, but it's pretty funny to watch people try and cuck for the terrible economic situation in most of EE.

Would rather live in a place were i know my neighboors, were i can walk the streets without fear of beign enriched, nor lefty-psychos screaming to me because i am a white male.

I live in a "poor" country, and have a "poor" livestyle compared to the numbers you managed this, but would not even think of going to the USA to live for example, not Commifornia or Jew York. Having to deal with commies while also dealing with chinanos, shit everywhere, wetbacks and entlited white idiots, or more entitled white idiots, "urban youths" and you know (((who))) both places while living in a urban hell?

No thanks. Heck, Buenos Aires is becoming more like that with everyday, and look for more quiet and pleasant small cities in the provincies.

[rudebwoy]

It seems most of them don't share your views.

[Tail Gunner]

(05-17-2019 08:10 AM)Mentavious Wrote:  

I imagine if I went to Panama and stayed in Panama City the entire time I would think how well off that country was too.

Even if you visited the poorest areas of Panama City, which I have, it would make no difference to your analysis regarding the wealth of Panama. Even without visiting, you would know that Panama is not poor. How could Panama be poor? Panama possesses one of the world's greatest cash cows -- the Panama Canal. That fact alone would tell you that Panama is not poor.

I have visited Panama City, just as I have visited EE. I have also visited rural areas of Panama, just as I have visited rural areas of EE. I have visited areas of Panama so rural that people live in shacks without electricity. Every country has poor people (relative to the rest of the population). That does not make a country poor -- or the average citizen poor. [BTW: The new President of Panama, elected just a few weeks ago, is the former agricultural minister. He is keen on developing the agricultural sector, which will help the rural poor.]

I walked through the poorest neighborhood of Panama City (albeit in broad daylight and sticking to the major thoroughfare). I stopped in a tiny market and bought a bottle of water for $1.00. I gave the owner four dollar coins, instead of four quarters (the coins are roughly the same size). She gave them back to me with a large knowing smile. Various interactions indicated that the average "poor person" in the worst neighborhood of Panama City is friendly and honest.

In fact, on the poverty list that I cited, Panama is listed four spots below Hungary. Neither nation is poor. While I have traveled to both Panama City and rural Panama multiple times, I did not need to travel to Panama to know that Panama is not poor -- and that the average Panamanian is not poor. That is why I do not respond to trolls who ask whether I have been to Budapest. The question is irrelevant.

The problem with this thread is that some people do not know the definition of the word "poor." Even when they see charts or articles from the OECD, prepared by world-class economists and statisticians, establishing that countries are not poor, these members insist that they magically know better.

[teddy bear]

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I wrote this post during a lecture yesteday on my mobile (well, most of it), but then had no time to finish and post it. Though it's even better to do so now when Poland has also become an object of discussion.
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I haven't been to Hungary either and Poland provides you with more job opportunities and better wages (for the most part). However situation in those countries is not that different, so allow me to use my home country as a prime example.

So starting with my own perspective (it's a bit different though as I'm a student and self-employed -- at least for now) I can clearly see what motives and priorities of my fellow countrymen are. And I believe they are no different than Hungarians in this regard.

Firstly, comparing Central Europe education with Latin America is just plain stupid. Education is so much better here in every single aspect -- easily on par with the "Western" side of EU. There is tons of different rankings to back this up. Example: https://www.oecd.org/pisa/pisa-2015-resu...-focus.pdf

College education is a bit worse, I agree -- lack of money to pump and leftovers of post-soviet education system definitely impact that. However, even college level education in Poland is in the EU mid-tier. And Hungary does not do much worse in this regard either I believe.

Secondly, there are a few reasons why young EE/CE people leave to other, more wealthy EU countries to work the same kind of shitty job as they would in their home country.

-One of these reasons is that they are dumb and they clearly don't understand what Tail Gunner has said here many times -- that the difference in your 'purchasing power' between, say, London and Budapest, will not be as big as the difference in salaries. I'm not that familar with Hungary, so I will base my experiences on Poland. Give me 2300 GBP a month in London and 1000 EUR in Warsaw for doing the same job, and unless I'm willing to sacrifice my comfort of living in order to save money, I'm going with Warsaw anytime. The purchasing power will be similar -- or actually even higher in Warsaw as 2k GBP in London is indeed in a poverty line.

You can check numbeo for comparison:

• London - rent outside of city centre: ~52% of the average wage post-tax
• Warsaw - rent outside of city centre: ~43% of the average wage post-tax
  

• London - rent in city centre: ~74% of the average wage post-tax
• Warsaw - rent in city centre: ~60% of the average wage post-tax
  

Okay, one can argue London is exceptionally broken in terms of how much does the housing cost. It's true -- it is, but gym membership, Internet, train tickets etc., it all stacks up and it's not cheaper (relatively to salary) than in Warsaw either. Where one could save is food though. Food in supermarkets in Poland costs pretty much the same as in majority of Western Europe countries -- a bit less than in the UK (however if you go for 'buy 1 get 1 free' deals you can eat even cheaper than in Poland).

-Then there are people that simply cannot find a job in Poland -- which is getting harder and harder to do to be honest (meaning -- not being able to find ANY job is quite hard). Poland is now a host to what? ~1.5 mil. Ukrainians? That's 1.5x more than Poles in the UK and Poland is a smaller country population-wise than the UK as a whole. They all are working and studying somewhere, aren't they? I can't say this is not damaging to young Poles in terms of wages, because it is, but without doubt the professional setting is affected to a much lesser degree (there aren't many qualified Ukrainians coming here to be honest), hence the wage disparity between the simplest jobs and those that require to possess a certain skillset.

Based on my research (focused on pharma/medical sector) a professional job in Poland will not pay me much less than a job in the UK and Germany would once I account the cost of living. I would even say Poland wins over the UK in this regard. Germany looks better though -- but the point stands. The difference lies in the ability to find the job though -- the competition for one spot in Poland is fiercer than in the UK simply because of the difference in job market size. More on this line of thinking below.

-That's is my situation actually. The young professionals and professionals in general looking for better career opportunities. This is undoubtly in favor of the West. However, it's not that simple either. Countries like UK or Germany -- tons of opportunities in every single field. As long as UK is detoriating in many areas, in terms of amount of possibilities to grow your career it's definitely a top choice -- especially in case of London (wages suck though). However, it's naive to say that other Western countries are as good as UK for finding a professional job. For example, I checked quite thoroughly Scandinavia (Sweden, Denmark, Norway), Italy, Spain, and Portugal -- and both Prague and Budapest offered me more opportunities than any of those countries (considering the country size of course, especially in terms of Italy and Spain). This of course varies from sector to sector and it's worth to mention that I have been looking specifically at offers in English, but I did sort through positions targeting locals only as well.

So, in short -- the gap is really not that big as you guys may think. Tail Gunner is right and the statistics he provides you with prove his point. We probably shouldn't throw countries like Ukraine to the Central Europe mix either. The difference in wealth and career opportunities between Poland and Ukraine is huge. Same with Budapest.

Also, as for comparing CE/EE countries to Syria or Iraq. Come on, that is as ignorant (or actually even more ignorant) than judging the whole United States based on a short visit to Detroit and making statements of how much an African shithole this country is. Well, this is a dumb comparison, but no dumber than some of the opinions I saw here.

[rudebwoy]

How do Brits feel about Polish in their country?

I don't have any issues with them. All the ones I have met have been labourers on farms and they have been sound.

I think the majority of them are on low paid jobs requiring little to no English. They receive top ups on benefits, they place pressure on schools, housing and hospitals.

Have never really considered Polish people to have good work ethic, more specifically, just the willingness to work as hard as others but for less money...if you think that's good work ethic, then sure lol.

Even tho my uncle lost his job because of them, I welcome them to this country(providing it doesn't prevent a teacher/doctor from moving). They work their socks off in those lower paid jobs unlike some of us here.

too many

I come from a community which has had a huge influx of Eastern Europeans. For me, it isn't a problem, however it's caused mass divide- at school they all group together and don't join in with the rest of us,

'Eastern European' is a very generalised label. It includes Russian oligarchs, Lithuanian gangsters, Polish plumbers and Romanian beggars. Most Eastern Europeans in the UK are white Poles, Latvians, Slovakians etc, who come here to work. They sometimes work in the 'informal economy' and are not always paid as much as an equivalent British worker, but generally they are here legally.

yes. A number of fights have occurred that have been initated by Eastern Europeans, probably fed up of the continual hostility and stereotyping. often people in my area group them as 'polish' when an individual may actually be from Latvia, Lithuania so on... which can cause issues

[rudebwoy]

I've heard there's been some hostility towards Eastern Europeans recently, especially after Brexit. Just seems odd as the Eastern Europeans I've met have been decent people, and their values are not entirely unlike our own. I've worked with Romanians, travelled to various Eastern European countries, and I live in an area where lots of Romainians and Poles live and I honestly cannot understand the hostility towards them other than the fact they take jobs.

[rudebwoy]

http://theconversation.com/how-brexit-is...ture-98929

Why would they fear for their future?

Can't they go back to their countries and get the same jobs.

[Que enspastic]

London vs Warsaw
Local Purchasing Power in London 14.07% higher than Warsaw
£4,609 vs £1,934 for same living standard

London vs Budapest
Local Purchasing Power in London 44.73% higher than Budapest
£4,597 vs £1,881 for same living standard

[nomadbrah]

The only negativity I hear towards Poles is that they drive down wages. Labor unions don't like that and while I do understand their concern, I also think some tradies have had it a little too good in the last decades. Lots of money was made previous to the financial crash. Tradies made bank and didn't declare anywhere near full income. I know several tradies who have 6 figure cash savings.

I've never heard anyone complain about poles otherwise. For the large part, you wouldn't even know they exist despite being many thousand in all major European metropolises. My own interaction with Poles, Lithuanians and Hungarians have been with women, who were here for various reasons. I met those on the low end of the market, working cleaning and menial jobs, and I met those on the high end, studying PHD and working in IT. In any case, meeting a pole or baltic person has been a positive, pleasant experience. Which is completely opposite to non-european immigrants.

[Tail Gunner]

(05-17-2019 10:32 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

London vs Warsaw
Local Purchasing Power in London 14.07% higher than Warsaw
£4,609 vs £1,934 for same living standard

London vs Budapest
Local Purchasing Power in London 44.73% higher than Budapest
£4,597 vs £1,881 for same living standard

Your post means absolutely. First, because you failed to provide a web link, so that people can confirm your information. This is a very elemental component of reasoned debate.

Second, the topic at hand is whether the average person in Hungary is poor -- and using the GDP per capita based on purchasing power parity (PPP) shows that Poland is ranked only two spots above Hungary on the wealth index. So, your information would need to be of better quality than that offered by the OECD and the World Bank, which you have failed to establish. Good luck with that.