[Oberrheiner]

(03-03-2019 12:05 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  

The latest anti meat BS they came up with this week is “Keto Crotch.” This is an unverified claim that women on low carb/keto/carnivore diets have bad pussy odor. As I said it’s merely speculation that is not verified. But think of the message. They’re saying meat makes your pussy stink.

Ok so you have never done keto then ?

This is not unverified at all - one of the signs you're in keto is the ammonia-like odor from your urine.
It's nothing which does not go away when you wash it mind you ..

One more confirmation that this fake JBP book would sell if it was actually done I guess ..

[porscheguy]

Deleted. For som reason it just duplicated my previous post.

[amity]

Seemingly there's been a few well known health YouTubers embracing meat and fish again and leaving Veganism behind as their health has suffered under Veganism. Very interesting analysis here from RockingMrE.

[Sooth]

(03-03-2019 08:44 AM)kosko Wrote:  

You can help this all by taking internal deodorants. I personally do this as my diet is meat heavy and I battle with stress. The internal deodorants help to the point I don't have much of an odour and women make comments about my natural scent. This is coupled with veggies and lots of water as well. This helps the semen also as girls comment thst my semen tastes good.

[Syberpunk]

sv3rige is a fantastic genuine free thinking youtuber from lithuania, he interviews ex vegans. He eats raw meat mostly organ meats, here he is going to a vegan festivals when travelling with his supportive girlfriend and eats an animal heart just standing there on the street totally relaxed, as he draws the fire of vegans and police alike (in the USA at least). Just standing there, eating.

He also drinks animal blood from wine bottles, and has some extremely red pill thought thoughts on modern nutrition and well Europe in general.

He gets all these great looking women on his channel, I feel for her:

Athletic Runner:

A lot of people say he is delusional and a leech, or that he is off, its a big question to how he is funding his lifestyle, seems to have inherited quite a bit is a good guess. The laugh he has becomes hilarious after a while. The droll matter of fact accent adds to it. There are so many profound "I never thought of that it seems so obvious" moments to be found.

[Syberpunk]

Here another girl:

https://youtu.be/ExQ-pBBD7PA

Great interviewer, just lets them spiel.

[Syberpunk]

There's a man just casually drinking blood and eating raw meat. Looks so satisfying. His skin is glowing.

This was the first one I watched, "No sports will ever satisfy you, because the trophies are not made out of blood and raw meat!"

[MOVSM]

(03-02-2019 08:50 PM)Jones Wrote:  

Quotes are from a PDF I downloaded. Here's the links:

PDF Link: The Bear's Words of Wisdom

Website with PDF Link: The Bear

A lot of what he said makes sense, but--my biggest problem with all of it is another quote of his: "I am not a scientist, I am an artist, so I give very little credence to most of the published research in diet as well as in other fields, as much of it has been shown to be faked."

It is one man's account, what he says about his own self.
Were he to check into a hospital for a year, like Vilhjalmur Stefansson, and a study or a book published about it, he would be more credible.

Not to dismiss all he says, I'm primarily looking for evidence of the claims
"A large body of research, the sort which was used to support the low fat diet fiasco was funded by big agriculture."
and
"Meat and dairy are very labour intensive, and do not give a high profit return to the primary producers, the best profit is at the end of the line- at retail, the butcher does pretty well. Thus, there is a high incentive to reduce animal fat, increase vegetable oil consumption and get people to eat grain and sugar."

These are very big and unsupported claims.

On surface it makes sense, but I'm not a farmer/rancher/butcher, and thus cannot make a critical assessment.

[dasher]

(03-04-2019 12:52 PM)MOVSM Wrote:  

Not to dismiss all he says, I'm primarily looking for evidence of the claims
"A large body of research, the sort which was used to support the low fat diet fiasco was funded by big agriculture."
and
"Meat and dairy are very labour intensive, and do not give a high profit return to the primary producers, the best profit is at the end of the line- at retail, the butcher does pretty well. Thus, there is a high incentive to reduce animal fat, increase vegetable oil consumption and get people to eat grain and sugar."

These are very big and unsupported claims.

On surface it makes sense, but I'm not a farmer/rancher/butcher, and thus cannot make a critical assessment.

Here's a few instances, both recent and distant:

Low fat diets have always been the goal of 'big sugar', and they paid Harvard scientists to achieve it. (New york times, Time Magazine)

Dr. Ancel Keyes (the most known guy behind the initial demonization of fat) showed only data that supported his preconcieved notions about fat vs carbs. https://www.dietdoctor.com/the-hidden-tr...-fat-graph

Coca-Cola pays researches to support exercise as a weight loss solution (as opposed to not drinking coke and similar shit) https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/08/0...bad-diets/

The Eatwell UK guide for 2016 was put together largely by processed food lobbists. http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2016/03/eatwe...-interest/

[flanders]

(02-26-2019 08:37 PM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  

I highly doubt that there is a conspiracy/movement or a cabal sitting in a dark room plotting to remove animal products from the modern diet to keep men "weak" and "low T." First of all, the meat/dairy industries are huge money and have big lobbies that are in bed with the FDA, big pharma, etc. If anything, overconsumption of these keeps people fat and unhealthy, and thus weak and sick. Also a big cash cow (heh) for the medical profit complex.

It's not an issue of veganism being "unnatural" or humans being omnivores; the issue is massive overconsumption of animal products and the bad quality thereof. A good comparison is tobacco. Back in the early days, people didn't smoke as much, and what they did smoke was pure leaf without all the chemicals and bullshit additives that are put in cigs today that make them much more massively unhealthy. In the past people really didn't eat as much meat or animal products because it was hard to hunt the beasts, then you had to make fire to cook it, and then there wasn't really a good way to store or preserve it, etc. Obviously modern technology has fixed all this for us and loaded them up with chemicals, preservatives, oils, hormones, etc. I'd be surprised if there's not already a forum post about the state of the American diet and how a large (heh) portion of America are total fat fucks.

@PorscheGuy: to say "Here’s the problem with veganism. There’s no 100% vegan indigenous culture anywhere. Veganism as practiced now is only possible due to the modern world we live in" is kind of absurd, because it's only in this modern world that we are able to literally fly to another country overnight, or literally get in our car and drive across the country in a matter of days. Modernity and technology has changed every facet of our daily lives and while there are some decent cases against veganism I think that one is pretty weak. A lot of the stuff we do today is not "natural." That doesn't make it wrong or bad or right or good. Just some food for thought for ya

I've made posts in slightly-above-neutral-but-not-rabid support of veganism on this forum before only because I've had some very positive exposure to it through people I know (I personally consume animal products myself). Obviously the liberals and SJW's have given it a bad name, but I will say that I've fucked vegans and non-vegans, and the vegans ate a plant based diet always had a healthier vibe and clean smelling breath/pussies. As with anything, moderation is key

Jordan Peterson is undeniably lean since going straight carnivore a year ago. He might not be telling the truth about his diet but given his depression, his daughter's illnesses, and all the philosophical shit he talks about ... it's a bit of a stretch to think he's lying. I don't doubt most famous vegans lie since telling people you're a vegan is a good way to virtue signal how much you care about the earth mother, and secretly eating meat (or an entire pharmacy to support your flagging thyroid and libido) while doing so is a good way to stay alive long enough to reap the social benefits. Color me cynical but I've never seen a drunk vegan who didn't try to grab a bite of my delicious late night fried lamb-only pita.

You are right that the meat/dairy industries are big money but Monsanto and big agra are even bigger money, with way bigger profit margins. Meat, even processed meat, has a short shelf life, requires many handlers and inputs, takes years to grow, much labor to tend and butcher, and is packaged sparingly. In comparison, a box of Wheaties is worth only a nickel in wheat but can sit on shelves forever, can afford to have pro athletes advertised on the box, and is in fact sold for five dollars a box. It's like comparing knitted doilies to cocaine.

On the bold, that's untrue.

People of the past ate less calories total (aside - they ate less and moved more, so they weren't fat), but a far greater proportion of their calories came from animal sources. America in the 1950s ate roughly 55-65% of their total daily intake from animal sources (fats and meat), while in the 1850s it was more like 70%+. Fur trappers used to regularly eat three to five pounds of meat daily. Shorter shelf life made for more frequent butchering, and since a majority of Americans lived on family farms at one point they rarely had trouble finding meat to eat on a daily basis. It's the political insanity of the present that's caused people with no connection to the past to believe that we've strayed from a perfect meat-less past. Americans ate so much beef in the 1800s that babies were weaned on it, no breakfast was considered food without a t-bone steak, and visitors from other countries were shocked at how indifferent the farmers were to European-style intensive agriculture; so much meat was readily available there was no need whatsoever.

Teicholz Wrote:

A food budget published in the New York Tribune in 1851 allots two pounds of meat per day for a family of five. Even slaves at the turn of the 18th century were allocated an average of 150 pounds of meat a year. As Horowitz concludes, “These sources do give us some confidence in suggesting an average annual consumption of 150–200 pounds of meat per person in the nineteenth century.”

Compare that to today, just look around - people eat nothing but trash.

Consider the implications even if it were the case. Food and culture are linked - you don't think it's weird that there's not a huge plethora of meatless dishes in old recipe books? I can crack open any old Norwegian cookbook and find almost the entire thing is about fish, beef, pork and poultry, with the rest potatoes. Everything was cooked in or with lard and butter .. Jeeze man.

I'm not saying don't do veganism, or it's bad for everybody, or it can't achieve weight loss or whatever, but if it stops working for you or anybody they need nutrition for the sake of their lives lol. Too many people get seduced by the new and modern and it's often easier to double down and do serious damage once it becomes a deeply invested but flawed moral position because at that point jerry springer or a group intervention is needed haha.

[porscheguy]

Just repped you for your post Flanders. Excellent article you found from The Atlantic.

Even though the article is only 5 years old, I wonder if The Atlantic would publish it today?

Also, your comment “...people eat nothing but trash.” So true.

[Jones]

flanders knows what's up.

Stanley once again: "There is only one true, inevitable, and defining characteristic which is connected with vegetarians, and that is: They ALL are compulsive liars."

Any difficulties wrapping your head around a meat/dairy diet is strictly due to the socialization aspect and how addicting carbs (re: sugar, as are carbs must first be converted into) are - I've had massive headaches converting from a mixed diet to an all-meat diet beginning late last year.

People are raised on carbs, told by mothers that vegetables (spinach and grains (wheat, corn) are good for them.

Vegetables keep you alive when animal fat and dairy is not available - and they can be used as medicine - but not nutrition - low energy, hard to digest.

Shit that they sell at super markets sits on the shelf for months - profit and slavery - what the owners and producers want.

There's eating what your gut is made to digest - less than an hour and it's out of your stomach.

And then there's eating corn, wheat, antilife foods (spinach), and fibre that damages the lining of your digestive system.

[MOVSM]

(03-04-2019 07:50 PM)dasher Wrote:  

(03-04-2019 12:52 PM)MOVSM Wrote:  

Not to dismiss all he says, I'm primarily looking for evidence of the claims
"A large body of research, the sort which was used to support the low fat diet fiasco was funded by big agriculture."
and
"Meat and dairy are very labour intensive, and do not give a high profit return to the primary producers, the best profit is at the end of the line- at retail, the butcher does pretty well. Thus, there is a high incentive to reduce animal fat, increase vegetable oil consumption and get people to eat grain and sugar."

These are very big and unsupported claims.

On surface it makes sense, but I'm not a farmer/rancher/butcher, and thus cannot make a critical assessment.

Here's a few instances, both recent and distant:

Low fat diets have always been the goal of 'big sugar', and they paid Harvard scientists to achieve it. (New york times, Time Magazine)

Dr. Ancel Keyes (the most known guy behind the initial demonization of fat) showed only data that supported his preconcieved notions about fat vs carbs. https://www.dietdoctor.com/the-hidden-tr...-fat-graph

Coca-Cola pays researches to support exercise as a weight loss solution (as opposed to not drinking coke and similar shit) https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/08/0...bad-diets/

The Eatwell UK guide for 2016 was put together largely by processed food lobbists. http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2016/03/eatwe...-interest/

I am aware of the Big Sugar, which is different from Big Agro, and I previously wrote about Ancel Keys.

I'm still looking for the proof, particularly of the second claim.

(03-04-2019 08:44 PM)flanders Wrote:  

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi...at/371895/

That's an excellent article.

[Oberrheiner]

(03-05-2019 09:35 AM)Jones Wrote:  

Shit that they sell at super markets sits on the shelf for months - profit and slavery - what the owners and producers want.

Supermarkets mostly specialize in selling waste products anway.

Marmelade ? yeah, it's the fruits which were too ugly to sell as fruits, or were spoiled (why do you think there is so much sugar in it ?).
Tomato sauce, same thing - ever heard of "black ink" ?
Ready meals, same shit, whey powder, well known as being a waste of cheese production, etc etc.

Funny fact by the way, since so much cheddar is produced for our american friends that much orange whey powder is available on the market.
There are patents about how to bleach it back to white, so yes that's bleach in your food.
Yum !

In any case, whatever your diet of the week, if it has a list of ingredients, don't eat it !

[Jones]

Not "proof" per a scientific/economic "fact" but more "common-sense" to the second claim, MOVSM, from the Bear,

"Primary producers of meat have very heavy costs in labour, veterinarian services, land use and degradation, costs of transport - live animals have a high specific value per unit weight, thus investment is high, and they require special higher cost transport. Grain is a stable, bulk commodity like sand or gravel. etc, value is low and thus the amount of investment per unit weigh tied up is low.

Not only that, but the cost of holding cattle for 90 days in feedlots, accompanied by the need to alter their lumen bacteria and the costs of the grain (not a natural food for ruminants) almost doubles the cost/per pound over grass fattening. Low fat is a huge bonus for Big Ag with its automated planting and harvesting...

Unlike raising grains and oilseeds which is virtually automated, there is no special advantage to being big as a meat producer other than some economy of scale on land use - it is the labour component which rules the costs.

A large mob of cattle needs dozens of men to handle them, whereas thousands of acres of wheat or corn can be planted, fed and harvested by a very few operators. There are no veterinary costs to raising plants, and the product is very stable, keeps well and does not require expensive storage- like energy-intensive refrigeration, nor does it require rapid sale and consumption up on ‘harvest’."

"If you want to raise cattle, you’ve got to have a mob of cowboys, a lot of land, a vet, and you have to follow the animals around, you have to round ‘em up by hand, you have to take ‘em to an abattoir where the work has to be done by hand.

You have a lot of the expense because it’s a perishable item, and has to be refrigerated. It must be carefully inspected, kept clean, and the animals have to be healthy. It’s very costly and labour intensive to produce meat."

[fktax]

(03-03-2019 08:44 AM)kosko Wrote:  

Vegetables and fibre act is scrubbers in The body and other types of carbohydrates can help to provide better body orders. For example, spinach, pineapple, kiwi, carrots, can help improve body order and provide for nuterual body fluids.

(03-03-2019 08:44 AM)kosko Wrote:  

The internal deodorants help to the point I don't have much of an odour and women make comments about my natural scent. This is coupled with veggies and lots of water as well. This helps the semen also as girls comment thst my semen tastes good.

Side discussion: this kid I went to school with didn't eat real food. He legit lived on chocolate. His mother used to buy him pineapple juice and mix it with liquid multivitamins since he obviously had a terrible diet. He had like 3 liters a day.

He was the quiet type - awkward around girls.

But we couldn't all help thinking: one day some chick is going to blow him and be amazed his jizz tastes like candy.

Anyway, back to the real discussion...

[CaptainCup]

NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio and resident buffoon is now proposing “Meatless Monday’s” in public schools, whereby a vegetarian diet would be served to students.

Watch this space. Turning the city into limp wristed soy fags one child at a time.

[Easy_C]

I don't buy into either extreme of the argument.

My frame of reference was to look at what species similar to humans do in the wild. For the most part it's an omnivore diet: fruits, leaves, and some animal tissue.

Link: https://science.jrank.org/pages/1418/Chi...abits.html


Here's my posit. I think that the most under-utilized component in modern diet is insects. Things like crickets and ants are excellent protein sources that have most of the benefits of mammal meat with none of the drawbacks.

https://www.edibleinsects.com/healthy-cricket-protein/

[MOVSM]

(03-12-2019 08:27 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

I don't buy into either extreme of the argument.

My frame of reference was to look at what species similar to humans do in the wild. For the most part it's an omnivore diet: fruits, leaves, and some animal tissue.

Link: https://science.jrank.org/pages/1418/Chi...abits.html

Chimpanzees love meat, when they can get it. What differentiates us from them, is our ability to live on the ground, not just in trees, with effective means of defense against predators, and be predators ourselves. We've been doing that for two million years, where we've been living on meat and very little vegetable matter. That's what allowed us to get our physique (greatly shortened digestive tract with its associated waist) and our very large brains. During that time the way we lived and hunted was closer to that of a pack of dogs rather than chimpanzees, and our diets were similar to that of canines--primarily animal protein.
Animal husbandry appeared before agriculture too.

(03-12-2019 08:27 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Here's my posit. I think that the most under-utilized component in modern diet is insects. Things like crickets and ants are excellent protein sources that have most of the benefits of mammal meat with none of the drawbacks.

https://www.edibleinsects.com/healthy-cricket-protein/

Insect protein has a very large drawback--it has no fat. Because of that it can be used at most as a supplement. Lean protein will make you sick--just search for "rabbit starvation", another very lean meat.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

My dear comrade, that's why our benevolent NWO government will ensure that those insects are fried with an abundance of hydrogenated oil, preferably reclaimed from gutters and crematoriums!

[flanders]

(03-12-2019 08:27 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

I don't buy into either extreme of the argument.

My frame of reference was to look at what species similar to humans do in the wild. For the most part it's an omnivore diet: fruits, leaves, and some animal tissue.

Link: https://science.jrank.org/pages/1418/Chi...abits.html


Here's my posit. I think that the most under-utilized component in modern diet is insects. Things like crickets and ants are excellent protein sources that have most of the benefits of mammal meat with none of the drawbacks.

https://www.edibleinsects.com/healthy-cricket-protein/

Have you bought any cricket powder and figured out ways to eat it?

[fktax]

(03-13-2019 08:41 AM)MOVSM Wrote:  

Insect protein has a very large drawback--it has no fat. Because of that it can be used at most as a supplement. Lean protein will make you sick--just search for "rabbit starvation", another very lean meat.

What about kangaroo? In Australia they make a big deal about how lean it is, but is that all bullshit?

[The Stronger Sex]

Ironically all these fad diets are one more sign of the feminization of men. Juts ten years ago we used go laugh at women being their irrational selves and going from diet fad to diet fad like monkeys jumping from branch to branch. Fast forward ten years and men are doing the exact same, each fad more ridiculous than the previous one.

[JackinMelbourne]

Sudden flood of Jack Dorsey - Twitter CEO eating one meal a day, carnivore diet articles in the media. Your mate Jordan Peterson did that whole thing too...

Is this the flip side of the same politicized diet coin? Getting people used to only eating one meal per day just like in Communist countries? ...or maybe trying to appeal to the real men who still eat animals.

Even Bold n Determined got in on the action.

And I'll admit, it 100% works to get LEAN but something doesn't seem right about a mass push like this... is it just good info spreading like fire or is there some ulterior motive?

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

MSM has been shilling the meatless "Impossible Burger" HARD this week. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.