[real98]

(02-08-2019 09:53 AM)Player_1337 Wrote:  

If you're good looking, it will happen once in a while (particularly when out at night- at bars, clubs, etc.). It seems to be mostly average girls.

From what I've witnessed, more so than facial structure or sense of style- the biggest physical advantage for men is height (if you're significantly above average/objectively tall, 6'2"+). We know women like men for other things (primarily money and status- which women will be oblivious to if you're a stranger at the bar and not a celebrity) but in terms of raw, initial physical appeal- height is often the number one factor, and will increase your chances of standing out/getting approached and female receptivity in cold approach.

This is 100% correct except that you need to be taller then 6'2.

The effect you speak of occurs at height of 6'4 +

Girls basically go into a submissive state just by being in the presence of someone so physically imposing.

It's crazy what happens at that height, people are unaware of it because so few people are that tall.

Again, this effect only happens at like 6'4 + and most people think 6'2 is tall; a 6'2 guy will NOT get this type of reaction from women, you need to be abnormally tall to see this.

[Sleek2b]

To comment above height:

It is not height itself but DOMINANCE.
It is about the space you occupy. You can be 6.4 and be a skinny bitch

About approach in clubs, for me it happens almost everytime I go out.
The most hardcore"IoI" was having girls grabbing... my balls (yes)

However 90%+ of those approaches are coming from 7 and below in term of quality

[aswifty]

(02-08-2019 10:21 AM)real98 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:53 AM)Player_1337 Wrote:  

If you're good looking, it will happen once in a while (particularly when out at night- at bars, clubs, etc.). It seems to be mostly average girls.

From what I've witnessed, more so than facial structure or sense of style- the biggest physical advantage for men is height (if you're significantly above average/objectively tall, 6'2"+). We know women like men for other things (primarily money and status- which women will be oblivious to if you're a stranger at the bar and not a celebrity) but in terms of raw, initial physical appeal- height is often the number one factor, and will increase your chances of standing out/getting approached and female receptivity in cold approach.

This is 100% correct except that you need to be taller then 6'2.

The effect you speak of occurs at height of 6'4 +

Girls basically go into a submissive state just by being in the presence of someone so physically imposing.

It's crazy what happens at that height, people are unaware of it because so few people are that tall.

Again, this effect only happens at like 6'4 + and most people think 6'2 is tall; a 6'2 guy will NOT get this type of reaction from women, you need to be abnormally tall to see this.

But people usually say above 6'5 gives you diminishing returns, you're claiming it doesn't...?

I'm starting to think this all depends where you live, i never see such things where i live, but then again i don't go out much.

I live close to Toronto, Ontario haha. If you know what Roosh says about that place, i think the female attitude of Toronto trickles down to where i live. They hate men, but do worship chad here... but they're all so weird and insecure i don't see many of them approaching at all. Could be wrong though.

But heightpill is real... fucking foids.

Reality is i would kill a lot of tall guys just because im stronger than most of them and faster and willing to fight dirtier , easy to get your knees and nuts. however, foids don't care, they never think logical in their life all they care about is how they're pussy is feeling in that moment.

here's me ordering height boosting boots to be at least 6 foot.

[kaotic]

(02-08-2019 11:22 AM)aswifty Wrote:  

But people usually say above 6'5 gives you diminishing returns, you're claiming it doesn't...?

I'm starting to think this all depends where you live, i never see such things where i live, but then again i don't go out much.

I live close to Toronto, Ontario haha. If you know what Roosh says about that place, i think the female attitude of Toronto trickles down to where i live. They hate men, but do worship chad here... but they're all so weird and insecure i don't see many of them approaching at all. Could be wrong though.

But heightpill is real... fucking foids.

Reality is i would kill a lot of tall guys just because im stronger than most of them and faster and willing to fight dirtier , easy to get your knees and nuts. however, foids don't care, they never think logical in their life all they care about is how they're pussy is feeling in that moment.

here's me ordering height boosting boots to be at least 6 foot.

All this actionable advice given on this thread and THIS is all you get out of it ?

[RDF]

Holy shit this thread is becoming a train wreck (minus a few great posts from the vets).

Who cares whether women are into guys who are over 6'2, over 6'4, or whatever other arbitrary height? If you're 5'8 you're never going to be that tall so you have to make do with what you have. Mentally masturbating about this shit is just an excuse to not put the work in.

For the record, the tallest guy I know is 6'8". Yeah, he's fucking tall, with a good looking face to boot. One night we were on the dance floor at a club, and women approached him on several occasions. Yet that night, both myself (at 5'10") and my friend (at ~6 foot) both went home with women, while the tall guy went home alone. So much for height. It wasn't anything exceptional either. He has no game or confidence while I've been through the trenches and have built myself up through hard work.

Doesn't matter how tall you are, working on your game will help you improve results with women beyond what you would achieve otherwise. That is what should matter most.

[emilio123]

(02-08-2019 03:26 AM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 02:08 AM)emilio123 Wrote:  

No amount of game is going to help you if women do not find you physically attractive. Men are realizing this slowly but surely. On this forum it used to be all about game back in the day and even here views on this are changing.

Come on man. When dudes born with no arms and no legs manage to get a cute wife then you have zero excuse to believe in this crap. Women are attracted far more than just physically to men. It's like you've never seen an ugly weird looking but mean criminal dude have a damn attractive girl. It's not just about looks.

You guys are so self defeating it's really sad.

You are forgetting all the millions of guys who have arms and legs but are still unattractive to women no matter what they do. Modern women simply do not like what these men have to offer them. The thing with cripples or disabled people is that there's always women who are interested in them and like to care for such people; a special kind of person. Never mind the fact that most crippled men remain alone for the rest of their life.

Do you really think successful men go out and 'cold approach' random women? No. The best approach is the 'warm' approach where women pre-select you by staring at you, staying near you, smiling at you, etc. This is not a cold approach.

How do you know if women find you unattractive?
If women at the gym, the supermarket, at work, at school etc do not look at you, smile at you, make you feel warm inside, it means that women do not find you physically attractive and cold approaching is futile and you are risking getting MeToo'd.

Confidence is also a hoax. A man has low confidence with woman because women are not displaying interest in him and is not getting results. Confidence is simply a by-product of success. Saying 'just be confident' does not work. And a man who is unattractive to a woman will simply get laughed at or ignored by women when he is trying to be confident.

If you are ugly (to women), get rich and/or increase your status and then insert yourself into social circles to display it. Zero "game" needed. It is the only way.

It's as simple as that.

[kaotic]

(02-08-2019 01:24 PM)emilio123 Wrote:  

You are forgetting all the millions of guys who have arms and legs but are still unattractive to women no matter what they do. Modern women simply do not like what these men have to offer them. The thing with cripples or disabled people is that there's always women who are interested in them and like to care for such people; a special kind of person. Never mind the fact that most crippled men remain alone for the rest of their life.

You missed the point entirely - if a guy with no arms and legs can do it, a guy with arms and legs can do it ALSO.

Actually no, most women when confronted with a man with a disability would eject herself from the situation. We've seen it time and time again on this forum from news articles.

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Do you really think successful men go out and 'cold approach' random women? No. The best approach is the 'warm' approach where women pre-select you by staring at you, staying near you, smiling at you, etc. This is not a cold approach.

Successful men who are good with women maximize EVERY aspect of their life in order to attract women. This includes cold approaching, warm opens, social circle, dating apps, etc.

This forum has a ton of proof of successful men cold approaching, I've also seen some forum members do this first hand.

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How do you know if women find you unattractive?
If women at the gym, the supermarket, at work, at school etc do not look at you, smile at you, make you feel warm inside, it means that women do not find you physically attractive and cold approaching is futile and you are risking getting MeToo'd.

Wrong kind of thinking again.

Perhaps they think they don't have a chance with you, or would stare too long at you, etc Maybe that's why they don't look at you.

You literally have no idea until...wait for it....you actually go up and talk to that woman at the gym, supermarket, school etc.

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Confidence is also a hoax. A man has low confidence with woman because women are not displaying interest in him and is not getting results. Confidence is simply a by-product of success. Saying 'just be confident' does not work. And a man who is unattractive to a woman will simply get laughed at or ignored by women when he is trying to be confident.

No, confidence was never about the woman, it's about YOU, noone else.

Confidence is self love and being happy with the man you've created out of yourself.

Confidence is NOT giving a fuck what a woman thinks and moves onto the next prospect.

Confidence is NOT just a byproduct of sucess, it's a MINDSET to begin with.

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If you are ugly (to women), get rich and/or increase your status and then insert yourself into social circles to display it. Zero "game" needed. It is the only way.

It's as simple as that.

If you think it's "that" easy and you don't need any game even in a social circle high status setting, you don't know shit about game or social circles.

Gettin rich and getting higher status is a BOOST to the confidence you already have.

You have to have alot of confidence and game to build social circle status, even with money.

I've seen rich dudes attract women and absolutely lose them when they open their mouths. Same goes for the Chads of the world who are tall and jacked but don't know how to talk to women.


Since you're a newbie I'll forgive you being so black pilled and a game denialist.

Stay awhile, read the forum, maybe there's a thing or two you'll actually learn.

[The Wire]

(02-06-2019 01:54 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

Top 99% of the clubs in Colorado not top 99% in the USA.

If I walked into a club in Miami or Rio De Janiero, that would be a whole different story. Men are a product of their towns and the people in them. You are much more likely to be a fat tub of shit in Oxford, Mississippi than you would be Denver Colorado or Venice Beach. You are also much more likely to be a soy bitch in Portland, Oregon than you would be in say Moscow, Russia. If you are blending in with everyone else, don't expect magic.

Looking back I can confirm similar experience. The hottest girl I've ever picked up from a bar was basically my easiest pickup as well and it was in a crappy area where everyone seemed to be 5 years behind any current trends. The competition at the bar was a joke and all of sudden you become the big fish in a small pond. If that same girl was in a posh NYC bar I would be invisible.

[thedarkknight]

(02-07-2019 11:20 AM)scotian Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 10:33 AM)aswifty Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 09:13 AM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

^ your whining basically boils down to: "Some genetically gifted men have it much easier than me, therefore my life sucks and I shouldn't bother trying". You're looking for excuses to quit.

Look bro - in every aspect of life, there's goin to be guys much better than you, and guys much worse off than you. Be it sports, making music, some other skill or gaming women. That's just the way it is. Hell, I'm a good bit shorter than you and I still manage to score attractive women, albeit with more effort than my much better looking buddies. Sometimes I wish I had it easier too, but I'd much rather go out and put in the effort than become an incel or MGTOW.

Look at my sig and take it to heart - pussy ain't for pussies. If you're afraid or unwilling to put in the effort, leave the playing field. It's just more women for the rest of us...

Okay, fair enough, i agree with you, i'm not going to quit just because good looking guys have to put in next to no effort.

It's not more of a matter of me wanting to give up, it's rather more of a matter of me resenting women for it.

The reason why I resent them for this behavior is because they're always lying about how a man's looks are down the list of importance for them, but then look how they behave around chad.

If women are going to act so dramatically different for chad vs a normal looking man, this actually proves that women actually care more about looks than men, or rather genetics.

Men, by large, are open minded to be sexually free and willing to both a 6 out of 10 to a 10 out of 10, assuming his options aren't overflown.

If women are so specific about what they truly find attractive, then that proves they think about it more, and have more refined tastes.

It's a lot easier for a woman to hit that 9+ category through working out, cosmetics, and surgery. Usually just make up, working out, and dieting will get them to a 9, despite have far than less than ideal facial genetics.

Women, after all, tirelessly analyze their facial proportions trying to accentuate beautiful aspects of their face, whilst hiding the flaws. Pure manipulation. Women are red pilled about looks just by application, and they have learned through observing beauty standards of what makes a beautiful face, and attempt to replicate that via makeup. So, when they see the oh so very rare men fulfill the standards of beautiful proportions, their pussies gush.

Girls can do a lot more to boost their rating, and they're not so genetically determined the same way men are.

Also, there's one consistent aspect to the top tier male's looks in this thread, is height. Men are tremendously more open minded about height than women. You could have a perfect face and physique, but if you're anywhere sub 5'7 or such, too bad you're genetic trash to them, and now you hav eto jump through retarded hoops just to get in their overrated pussies.

It's this self righteous lie of being the less superficial sex, and being some victims to male superficiality that makes me sick to my stomach, because the behavioral evidence keeps showing the contrary.

It's not just stories like these ones on this thread that prove this deranged mentality they project, but a catfish account on tinder can prove this true as well.

It is enraging, and I don't really know how to cope with the anger without it leaking negatively into my game attempts.

People tell me sometimes that girls can probably sense my hatred for them when i speak to them, thus explain my low success rate, but the black pill in me just says, "5'10, 17% bodyfat, weak style sense, lack of dhvs, and reserved body language, ect."

I'm not the only man who admits this, but the truth about women is very negative, and once that truth is realized, it's very hard not to hate them for it, on biological and cultural level. I've been struggling with this for years... perhaps the red pills just hits some men too hard, and me being one of them. lol

You really need to get over this mindset, it's obviously affecting your sucess with women, as you said, they can probably sense it. Just accept the fact that you won't be fucking or dating top-tier women and get in where you fit in.

When I was fifteen the hottest girl in my school told me that she would date me if I wasn't so short, it was kind of a funny thing for her to say because she wasn't on my radar at all and I had no interest in dating her but she just threw it out there as we were in the same circle of friends. I'm glad it happened then, I didn't really give a shit because I was focused on other girls who weren't as hot as her and more in my range. That experience and watching my friends who were taller and better looking than me get hotter girls taught me some valuable life lessons when it comes to chasing women; you have to know your limits, choose your targets well and have reasonable expectations. Rejection sucks and it happens to all of us at some point but you can limit your exposure to it and the shitty feeling that comes along with it by staying in your lane.

Apt analysis.

TDK

[emilio123]

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You missed the point entirely - if a guy with no arms and legs can do it, a guy with arms and legs can do it ALSO.

Actually no, most women when confronted with a man with a disability would eject herself from the situation. We've seen it time and time again on this forum from news articles.

I am saying that the disabled guy might get some woman if he's lucky because she simply felt sorry for him. A normally healthy but unappealing man does not get the same treatment.

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Wrong kind of thinking again.

Perhaps they think they don't have a chance with you, or would stare too long at you, etc Maybe that's why they don't look at you.

You literally have no idea until...wait for it....you actually go up and talk to that woman at the gym, supermarket, school etc.

If a woman is not showing interest in you in some way or form then she is simply not interested in you or is not available sexually, for almost any man for that matter. This counts especially in bars, clubs, gyms, work, school, places where she gets the chance to evaluate men. Not simply passing by on the street because then she might not have noticed you.

Physical attraction is predetermined in the first few seconds a woman sees you.

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No, confidence was never about the woman, it's about YOU, noone else.

Confidence is self love and being happy with the man you've created out of yourself.

Confidence is NOT giving a fuck what a woman thinks and moves onto the next prospect.

Confidence is NOT just a byproduct of sucess, it's a MINDSET to begin with.

Definition of confidence: the feeling or belief that one can rely on someone or something.

Imagine a fat, bald, acne skinned male age 25 approaching women. Gets rejected constantly.

What is that going to do for his confidence?

In order to develop confidence you need validation and positive results.

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I've seen rich dudes attract women and absolutely lose them when they open their mouths. Same goes for the Chads of the world who are tall and jacked but don't know how to talk to women.

Then those women were never attracted to them if they lost attraction when they started speaking. If a woman finds you physically attractive or she thinks you are a man of value (maybe can give her a good lifestyle etc), then all you have to do is not be a desperate fool which is very easy not to do.

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Since you're a newbie I'll forgive you being so black pilled and a game denialist.

Stay awhile, read the forum, maybe there's a thing or two you'll actually learn.

I agree that the black pill is negative and defeatist but the sad truth is that these men are being sold false hope that game will help them.

Fact of the matter is that attraction cannot be taught. You cannot say a few words and make women attracted to you.

Attraction has almost nothing to do with the way you stand, position yourself, whatever. If you are just a normal well mannered man with a normal voice with a look that women find attractive, it is more than enough.

The 3 most important things women look for in a man is looks, money and status. A man has to work on these things himself.

[PapayaTapper]

(02-08-2019 11:22 AM)aswifty Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 10:21 AM)real98 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:53 AM)Player_1337 Wrote:  

If you're good looking, it will happen once in a while (particularly when out at night- at bars, clubs, etc.). It seems to be mostly average girls.

From what I've witnessed, more so than facial structure or sense of style- the biggest physical advantage for men is height (if you're significantly above average/objectively tall, 6'2"+). We know women like men for other things (primarily money and status- which women will be oblivious to if you're a stranger at the bar and not a celebrity) but in terms of raw, initial physical appeal- height is often the number one factor, and will increase your chances of standing out/getting approached and female receptivity in cold approach.

This is 100% correct except that you need to be taller then 6'2.

The effect you speak of occurs at height of 6'4 +

Girls basically go into a submissive state just by being in the presence of someone so physically imposing.

It's crazy what happens at that height, people are unaware of it because so few people are that tall.

Again, this effect only happens at like 6'4 + and most people think 6'2 is tall; a 6'2 guy will NOT get this type of reaction from women, you need to be abnormally tall to see this.

But people usually say above 6'5 gives you diminishing returns, you're claiming it doesn't...?

I'm starting to think this all depends where you live, i never see such things where i live, but then again i don't go out much.

I live close to Toronto, Ontario haha. If you know what Roosh says about that place, i think the female attitude of Toronto trickles down to where i live. They hate men, but do worship chad here... but they're all so weird and insecure i don't see many of them approaching at all. Could be wrong though.

But heightpill is real... fucking foids.

Reality is i would kill a lot of tall guys just because im stronger than most of them and faster and willing to fight dirtier , easy to get your knees and nuts. however, foids don't care, they never think logical in their life all they care about is how they're pussy is feeling in that moment.

here's me ordering height boosting boots to be at least 6 foot.

Hey Emo123

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[TravelingBodybuilder]

(02-06-2019 11:10 AM)LINUX Wrote:  

I'll give you an honest answer for an honest question without the bullshit.

In 2017 - 2018, I spent the majority of my time in a club. I was on an unhealthy amount of trenbolone, doing cardio twice a day, and I had more muscle mass than 98% of men in my town.

Me running night game would involve me going to a night club and standing in the middle of the dance floor, smiling, and waiting. And yes, I would be cold approached by 1-4 women directly or indirectly between the hours of 11-2am, every night, on a consistent basis. Never once did I approach anyone. I don't chase, I am the one that's chased.

Getting laid was like shooting fish in the barrel, but I was also in the top 99% of men in the club. I am not denying that.

After having a very major surgery, I lost a lot of muscle mass, and my value in the club went down drastically to almost non-existent. But thanks to muscle memory, hitting the gym hard, and eating healthy again, I'm almost back to where I was.

Physique, Masculinity, Confidence. If you want to be cold approached, that's what you need. If you don't have it, spend the next five years working toward it.

I had the same experience in my early 20's.

Going shirtless to EDM Events when in single digit bodyfat, or Halloween when i used to be shirtless and was pretty lean , woman would throw themselves at me litterally and ask for pics with me etc. But now i lost my abs and im much older and my body does not look as aesthetic as it used to be.


I would always meet people even when I went solo because some girl would grab me/approach me. I never approached... (when I had a shirt on girls rarely approached me. The only ones who approached me were nasty woman grabbing my arms etc.)

[kaotic]

(02-08-2019 03:34 PM)emilio123 Wrote:  

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Wrong kind of thinking again.

Perhaps they think they don't have a chance with you, or would stare too long at you, etc Maybe that's why they don't look at you.

You literally have no idea until...wait for it....you actually go up and talk to that woman at the gym, supermarket, school etc.

If a woman is not showing interest in you in some way or form then she is simply not interested in you or is not available sexually, for almost any man for that matter. This counts especially in bars, clubs, gyms, work, school, places where she gets the chance to evaluate men. Not simply passing by on the street because then she might not have noticed you.

You haven't opened your mouth, you haven't walked up to her, you have done a single thing to find out if your theory is true or not with the woman in front of you.

You're automatically assuming things in that head of yours without actually doing the work.

You're making excuses for thing you haven't even tried yet.

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Physical attraction is predetermined in the first few seconds a woman sees you.

...to an extent....you conveniently left that part out.

A perfect example is mediocre but funny guys pulling cuties. Once again when a guy opens his mouth all bets are off.

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No, confidence was never about the woman, it's about YOU, noone else.

Confidence is self love and being happy with the man you've created out of yourself.

Confidence is NOT giving a fuck what a woman thinks and moves onto the next prospect.

Confidence is NOT just a byproduct of sucess, it's a MINDSET to begin with.

Definition of confidence: the feeling or belief that one can rely on someone or something.

Imagine a fat, bald, acne skinned male age 25 approaching women. Gets rejected constantly.

What is that going to do for his confidence?

In order to develop confidence you need validation and positive results.

Funny enough you once again conveniently leave another part of the definition of confidence

"a feeling of self-assurance arising from one's appreciation of one's own abilities or qualities"

Once again blind to the truth.

That fat bald acne skinned man can IMPROVE his confidence.

How?

Gym, diet, medicine, and his style.

Weird right? It's as if you improve yourself you'll get better results.

It's almost as if you work on YOURSELF first, before going out into the world.

I know, it must be a strange concept to a newbie like you.

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I've seen rich dudes attract women and absolutely lose them when they open their mouths. Same goes for the Chads of the world who are tall and jacked but don't know how to talk to women.

Then those women were never attracted to them if they lost attraction when they started speaking. If a woman finds you physically attractive or she thinks you are a man of value (maybe can give her a good lifestyle etc), then all you have to do is not be a desperate fool which is very easy not to do.

You still don't understand, a woman isn't logical, just because she sees a well off man, doesn't mean her gina is gonna tingle automatically.

What if this woman is USED to rich men and an elite social circle, what if a rich chad is nothing out of the ordinary?

It's as if you need something else to help put you over the top or raise her eyebrows....I wonder what THAT could be.

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Since you're a newbie I'll forgive you being so black pilled and a game denialist.

Stay awhile, read the forum, maybe there's a thing or two you'll actually learn.

I agree that the black pill is negative and defeatist but the sad truth is that these men are being sold false hope that game will help them.

Then why the hell are you here bitching about game not working and the world is really unfair?

This is a forum for men who want to improve their masculinity.

Take those blackpill thoughts elsewhere and go hang with the OP Ellliot Rodgers then.

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Fact of the matter is that attraction cannot be taught. You cannot say a few words and make women attracted to you.

Attraction has almost nothing to do with the way you stand, position yourself, whatever. If you are just a normal well mannered man with a normal voice with a look that women find attractive, it is more than enough.

The 3 most important things women look for in a man is looks, money and status. A man has to work on these things himself.

More game denialisms, you're lost man.

You're still operating under the assumption women are logical when fucking a guy.

Attraction is definitely about looks and status but that's hardly a foundation.

"Game" is just more than women and so is attraction, but you're stuck in the dark overdosing on blackpills to see that.

You just just said a man has to work on looks, money, status - what do you think is the end RESULT of this?

CONFIDENCE.

This is just about ones self - this has nothing to even to do with women to being with.

[Ouroboros]

(02-08-2019 01:24 PM)emilio123 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 03:26 AM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 02:08 AM)emilio123 Wrote:  

No amount of game is going to help you if women do not find you physically attractive. Men are realizing this slowly but surely. On this forum it used to be all about game back in the day and even here views on this are changing.

Come on man. When dudes born with no arms and no legs manage to get a cute wife then you have zero excuse to believe in this crap. Women are attracted far more than just physically to men. It's like you've never seen an ugly weird looking but mean criminal dude have a damn attractive girl. It's not just about looks.

You guys are so self defeating it's really sad.

You are forgetting all the millions of guys who have arms and legs but are still unattractive to women no matter what they do. Modern women simply do not like what these men have to offer them. The thing with cripples or disabled people is that there's always women who are interested in them and like to care for such people; a special kind of person. Never mind the fact that most crippled men remain alone for the rest of their life.

Do you really think successful men go out and 'cold approach' random women? No. The best approach is the 'warm' approach where women pre-select you by staring at you, staying near you, smiling at you, etc. This is not a cold approach.

How do you know if women find you unattractive?
If women at the gym, the supermarket, at work, at school etc do not look at you, smile at you, make you feel warm inside, it means that women do not find you physically attractive and cold approaching is futile and you are risking getting MeToo'd.

Confidence is also a hoax. A man has low confidence with woman because women are not displaying interest in him and is not getting results. Confidence is simply a by-product of success. Saying 'just be confident' does not work. And a man who is unattractive to a woman will simply get laughed at or ignored by women when he is trying to be confident.

If you are ugly (to women), get rich and/or increase your status and then insert yourself into social circles to display it. Zero "game" needed. It is the only way.

It's as simple as that.

I generally agree that less attractive men would be better placed using social circle game than cold approach or online. Day game has very low ROI for nearly everyone in Western countries. Online game is almost entirely based on looks, has a terrible male:female ratio, and is full of time wasters and SIFs (it's still a great option if you're travelling outside the West though). Night game is widely regarded as dying (it probably is still worth it in a few cities that have a strong nightlife scene, or if you know how to dance).

But social circle game is not so simple. First you actually have to put yourself out there and find social circles with a decent number of attractive women. This is surprisingly challenging. You may find that the type of men that actually associate with attractive women are hard to get along with while the men who make more interesting friends are loners or only friends with other men.

Then even if you do end up in a social circle with decent prospects, without game you could end up just being a beta orbiter or, as a worst case scenario, the whipping boy of the group. Isolation is also a challenge. You will at the very least need good social skills to remain near the top of the group's hierarchy, and some level of game to avoid being a beta orbiter (though not a huge amount - just enough to flirt, isolate and escalate).


The best way forward for the ugly guy, in my view, is to learn basic game (what Roosh teaches is enough), maximise your looks, and find a good niche where you can build your status around something that interests you and which puts you around women (e.g. yoga, dancing, something music-related, photography, business networking, charities). Fully maximising your potential relative to your competition might entail expatriation.

[Beyond Borders]

TLDR for some of the whiney posters in this thread:

Life is haaaaaaaaaard.

It's noooooot faaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiir.

[aswifty]

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I generally agree that less attractive men would be better placed using social circle game than cold approach or online. Day game has very low ROI for nearly everyone in Western countries. Online game is almost entirely based on looks, has a terrible male:female ratio, and is full of time wasters and SIFs (it's still a great option if you're travelling outside the West though). Night game is widely regarded as dying (it probably is still worth it in a few cities that have a strong nightlife scene, or if you know how to dance).

But social circle game is not so simple. First you actually have to put yourself out there and find social circles with a decent number of attractive women. This is surprisingly challenging. You may find that the type of men that actually associate with attractive women are hard to get along with while the men who make more interesting friends are loners or only friends with other men.

Then even if you do end up in a social circle with decent prospects, without game you could end up just being a beta orbiter or, as a worst case scenario, the whipping boy of the group. Isolation is also a challenge. You will at the very least need good social skills to remain near the top of the group's hierarchy, and some level of game to avoid being a beta orbiter (though not a huge amount - just enough to flirt, isolate and escalate).


The best way forward for the ugly guy, in my view, is to learn basic game (what Roosh teaches is enough), maximise your looks, and find a good niche where you can build your status around something that interests you and which puts you around women (e.g. yoga, dancing, something music-related, photography, business networking, charities). Fully maximising your potential relative to your competition might entail expatriation.
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Those are some fantastic insights, you should mail all that to an incel forum haha. In fact, if they took such approach but simply for intent of meeting ugly girls within such social circles, while utilizing game and some looks tweaks, they would get laid.

It is odd though that guys who hang out with a lot of hot girls are shitty human beings, and the coolest guys are totally detached from women. Maybe that's just my bias view.

I mean, lets be honest, the guys who happened to fall into social circles with a lot of hot girls usually have these three traits in common:

1: Come from a rich family (which is a reliable indicator of shitty person)
2: They play high level sports (jocks are totally up their own asses a lot of the time, and very cliquey)
3: Provide hard drugs and alcohol to the girls (probably an unstable human being, with fairly high likelihood of violent and/or belligerent tendencies)

Luckily for me, im not genetically unlucky in the looks department, actually above average, just not some chad god tier level where i can stand around as a non-lifter twink standing at 6'4 and be ruthlessly approached by females for my superior facial aesthetics and master race height, which im semi salty about clearly from my posts... but i should be grateful im a good looking guy anyway, even if im not a true chad :/ So, with that said, ima stay on that cold/warm stranger approaching .... and follow the teachings of the Great Roosh. Will be getting onto that Roosh Program soon.

[real98]

(02-08-2019 11:22 AM)aswifty Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 10:21 AM)real98 Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:53 AM)Player_1337 Wrote:  

If you're good looking, it will happen once in a while (particularly when out at night- at bars, clubs, etc.). It seems to be mostly average girls.

From what I've witnessed, more so than facial structure or sense of style- the biggest physical advantage for men is height (if you're significantly above average/objectively tall, 6'2"+). We know women like men for other things (primarily money and status- which women will be oblivious to if you're a stranger at the bar and not a celebrity) but in terms of raw, initial physical appeal- height is often the number one factor, and will increase your chances of standing out/getting approached and female receptivity in cold approach.

This is 100% correct except that you need to be taller then 6'2.

The effect you speak of occurs at height of 6'4 +

Girls basically go into a submissive state just by being in the presence of someone so physically imposing.

It's crazy what happens at that height, people are unaware of it because so few people are that tall.

Again, this effect only happens at like 6'4 + and most people think 6'2 is tall; a 6'2 guy will NOT get this type of reaction from women, you need to be abnormally tall to see this.

But people usually say above 6'5 gives you diminishing returns, you're claiming it doesn't...?

I'm starting to think this all depends where you live, i never see such things where i live, but then again i don't go out much.

I live close to Toronto, Ontario haha. If you know what Roosh says about that place, i think the female attitude of Toronto trickles down to where i live. They hate men, but do worship chad here... but they're all so weird and insecure i don't see many of them approaching at all. Could be wrong though.

But heightpill is real... fucking foids.

Reality is i would kill a lot of tall guys just because im stronger than most of them and faster and willing to fight dirtier , easy to get your knees and nuts. however, foids don't care, they never think logical in their life all they care about is how they're pussy is feeling in that moment.

here's me ordering height boosting boots to be at least 6 foot.

diminishing returns?

absolutely NOT.

and no it has nothing to do with where you live.

It's genetics.

Women are literally wired to react to super tall guys.

All women want a guy who is that physically imposing.

If you are 6'4 + you have won the genetic lottery to a level most people will never understand.

again, no one talks about this because most people underestimate the level of height needed to get this effect.

Again, you will NOT experience this at 6'1 to 6'3 but if you are over 6'4 then things get crazy.

Very few people are that tall and most of them get laid so much from a young age that they never end up on a forum like this.

I would bet there is probably less then 20 guys on this forum who are over 6'4; guys like that never end up in the community because they get laid at will with no effort from the time they are like 13-14 years old.

[jcrew247]

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Those are some fantastic insights, you should mail all that to an incel forum haha. In fact, if they took such approach but simply for intent of meeting ugly girls within such social circles, while utilizing game and some looks tweaks, they would get laid.

It is odd though that guys who hang out with a lot of hot girls are shitty human beings, and the coolest guys are totally detached from women. Maybe that's just my bias view.

I mean, lets be honest, the guys who happened to fall into social circles with a lot of hot girls usually have these three traits in common:

1: Come from a rich family (which is a reliable indicator of shitty person)
2: They play high level sports (jocks are totally up their own asses a lot of the time, and very cliquey)
3: Provide hard drugs and alcohol to the girls (probably an unstable human being, with fairly high likelihood of violent and/or belligerent tendencies)

Luckily for me, im not genetically unlucky in the looks department, actually above average, just not some chad god tier level where i can stand around as a non-lifter twink standing at 6'4 and be ruthlessly approached by females for my superior facial aesthetics and master race height, which im semi salty about clearly from my posts... but i should be grateful im a good looking guy anyway, even if im not a true chad :/ So, with that said, ima stay on that cold/warm stranger approaching .... and follow the teachings of the Great Roosh. Will be getting onto that Roosh Program soon.

If you are really lazy,
Have you ever thought about wearing a shirt that says:
"I Love Fat Chicks" or "I Love MILFS"

I'm sure you'll be able to get some cold approaches from desperate fat or divorced women.

[Fortis]

This segues nicely into why I think we should stop with this blackpill bullshit.

In what RVF universe is it OK to create sob stories for yourself?

[JimBobsCooters]

Don't get the point on focusing on height as a factor. It's literally one of the few things that you have zero control over and can't change.

Is height an advantage? Absolutely.

Is height everything? Absolutely not.

Height's not even like looks, you can looks max by getting in shape, getting a good haircut, dressing better, etc, etc, height you're not changing.

Accept your height and move on to improving things you can because that's where you gain value over others and what will get you the girls of the standard you desire. Game works, not always and not in every situation but it works more often than not if you know how to use it.

[B-Minus]

I know you said 6'4''+ but I'm 6'3'' and 21 years old and have been cold approached by a girl once in my life. Oddly enough it was a month ago. I can tell you height isn't everything.

[real98]

(02-09-2019 04:38 AM)B-Minus Wrote:  

I know you said 6'4''+ but I'm 6'3'' and 21 years old and have been cold approached by a girl once in my life. Oddly enough it was a month ago. I can tell you height isn't everything.

6'3 does NOT get you the effect i speak of.

you need to be above 6'4.

also, when did i say height is everything?

I'm slightly shorter then you and I've been approached hundreds of times.

I've even had girls stop me on the street in the daytime to ask for my number and say their friend likes me.

My friends who are over 6'4 are at a whole other level; its actually depressing how easy those guys have it.

also, if you're 6'3 and never get approached: what's your body fat %? what do you honestly rate your facial looks out of 10? do you regularly go to bars and nightclubs?

[emilio123]

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You haven't opened your mouth, you haven't walked up to her, you have done a single thing to find out if your theory is true or not with the woman in front of you.

You're automatically assuming things in that head of yours without actually doing the work.

You're making excuses for thing you haven't even tried yet.

What are you talking about? I am not an incel. I do not do cold approaches anymore because I realized it is a WASTE of time. It is simply not a fruitful endeavor if you do not get any indicators of interest from a woman especially in this day and age.

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A perfect example is mediocre but funny guys pulling cuties. Once again when a guy opens his mouth all bets are off.

Yeah, that's why all comedians and guys who run clown game are getting laid by the bunches...

Look what happens when he tries to get the phone number in the first few minutes

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That fat bald acne skinned man can IMPROVE his confidence.

How?

Gym, diet, medicine, and his style.

Weird right? It's as if you improve yourself you'll get better results.

It's almost as if you work on YOURSELF first, before going out into the world.

I know, it must be a strange concept to a newbie like you.

Lmao isn't that exactly the point what I was making? That looks matter and he will subsequently get better results and subsequently confidence.

And enough with the personal insults on a forum, it is feminine behavior.

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You still don't understand, a woman isn't logical, just because she sees a well off man, doesn't mean her gina is gonna tingle automatically.

No, money is not going to make a woman's vagina tingle automatically. But it will make her think about the possible lifestyle for her and her future offspring.

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What if this woman is USED to rich men and an elite social circle, what if a rich chad is nothing out of the ordinary

Good luck with that...

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It's as if you need something else to help put you over the top or raise her eyebrows....I wonder what THAT could be.

Better looks, more value, more status.... Not 'game.' The game advice that roosh gives in his latest book is more than enough. Just don't be a beta fool...

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Then why the hell are you here bitching about game not working and the world is really unfair?

This is a forum for men who want to improve their masculinity.

Take those blackpill thoughts elsewhere and go hang with the OP Ellliot Rodgers then.

More game denialisms, you're lost man.

You're still operating under the assumption women are logical when fucking a guy.

Attraction is definitely about looks and status but that's hardly a foundation.

"Game" is just more than women and so is attraction, but you're stuck in the dark overdosing on blackpills to see that.

You just just said a man has to work on looks, money, status - what do you think is the end RESULT of this?

CONFIDENCE.

This is just about ones self - this has nothing to even to do with women to being with.

Again, I am not an incel and those forums are unhealthy. I am not complaining that the world is unfair even though it is, I am saying that it's not the fault of these men that they are not getting laid. It is not their game that's the problem. Due to social engineering, feminism, social media and a lot more, these MODERN WOMEN are not interested in what they have to offer due to the way they look. GAME itself will not help these men. It should not be the primary focus of these men.

And women are very logical when it comes to NOT fucking a guy they do NOT find attractive.

[UlugBeg]

emilio123 Wrote: "MODERN WOMEN are not interested in what they have to offer due to the way they look. GAME itself will not help these men. It should not be the primary focus of these men."
I have to agree. If one is really unattractive, Game won't help much. If one is model-tier looks, one doesn't need Game. Game has value for those of us above 4 and below 8. For me, Game is valuable for helping me learn how to escalate and close. I don't need it for initial attraction, since I don't need to CA (though I plan to add it to my tool box, eventually). I have friends, co-workers & acquantances who are 4-5, who are really struggleing with women. These guys really should really learn some game.

[Snag87]

Re 6'4"+ when do you get too tall?