[No More Mr. Soy Boy]

Unless this is a forum about banging 5's, 6's and 7's it doesn't really matter, I think.

I've had girls come up to me in clubs but they're never above my league and always below my league. I can't see it be much different for guys who are even considered extremely attractive.
Sure, they might even have many 8's and below coming up and approaching them, but super hot girls who are in kind of the same league? Come on, girls on that level don't have to approach.

On the other hand, I think all the looks and pre-selection from other women will make it a lot easier when they finally approach an extremely hot girl. But that is another topic, since then you will still actually have to walk up and approach the girls.


One a side-note here, but it seems like nowadays it's never about cold approach anyway, right?
It seems like the guys with a lot of Instagram followers and seems to have superficial values to offer women instead are flooded with private messages. That's usually how it works now.
Lately, I've listened to a few podcasts that were for young chicks and they've all been talking about how they've "DM'ed" hot guys ("fuckboys") on there and how it's been hard to set up a date (cause these guys are of course having a lot of options).

And with Instagram and social media it doesn't really matter what your height is, or if you look like a male model. What matters is that you have followers, people are giving you "social proof" or "pre-selection" and seem to have this value that most girls are into nowadays, because they're more superficial than ever and it's all about a glamorous display online.

I have no doubt that I could also create a fabulous IG where I looked cool and all.

Sure it would most probably lead to a lot of great sex for a while. But then, what?
For me it's just not worth it, it would just be too time-consuming and the type of women I would attract are not going to be of any LTR material.
Which is what ultimately going to give me some meaning. Focusing on building an IG brand of myself and fucking random NPC hoes that don't really belong to me or any many in particular will not help me develop any type of useful real-world skill.

If I spend the next years just going for those types of women (who are hot but don't have a brain), I think I will limit my chance of finding a better quality girl who I can have some kind of meaningful relationship with.

Pardon for going a bit off-topic.

[Fortis]

I keep telling dudes that the hardest players I ever met were short dudes. 5'4-5'6 but with seriously ballsy personalities. Like straight up punking way bigger dudes in a set with words and fearlessness. I see this often. I know a Colombian dude in China who is smooth as fuck. he's also gotta be like 5'2.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Scotian also fits this mold (no hate homie). At the very least he's obviously incendiary.

Adopting a mindset where you literally feel like you're the man is just so powerful.

One way to cultivate this mindset is to chill with guys like that.

You ever notice that you instantly lift more weight when you train with bigger/stronger dudes? The same thing applies to girls and game. If you start hanging with killers you start killing since you wanna fit in.

My game experienced a quantum leap because of guys like Clint Barton, Getdownonit, Slubu, Spider and other dudes who were at the level I wanted to be on.

Aside from Spider, no one in that group is above 6' tall but they all have respectable notch counts. Oh, and two of those dudes aren't White so I don't want to hear any bullshit about "b-but-but I'm Asian/Martian/Patagonian."

[emilio123]

(02-09-2019 10:50 AM)Snag87 Wrote:  

Re 6'4"+ when do you get too tall?

I believe this height thing is overblown and I am 6 foot 8 (2.04m).

If you have a normal height (starting at about 178 CM, 5'11), with an above average face, it is enough to get laid a lot.

[PapayaTapper]

(02-09-2019 06:57 AM)emilio123 Wrote:  

Yada yada

And women are very logical when it comes to NOT fucking a guy they do NOT find attractive.

...said the guy who clearly doesn't understand the human female attraction limbic sequence

Just out of curiosity...you say youre not an incel...so exactly how many women have you had sex with (that you didn't pay)?

[LINUX]

(02-09-2019 11:48 AM)emilio123 Wrote:  

I believe this height thing is overblown and I am 6 foot 8 (2.04m).

I would enjoy reading a datasheet from you about what's it like day to day being 6 foot 8. Stuff like flying budget airlines, sleeping in Japanese beds, if you have back problems etc. I occasionally see this guy Martyn Ford in fighting movies like Boyka: Undisputed. He did an interview that said he always wanted to be in hollywood, but there were plenty of guys 6 foot 8 but he realized that there weren't many guys 6 foot 8, jacked to shreds with tattoos on their face, and that's how he got his break.

https://i10.dainikbhaskar.com/thumbnails...579640.jpg

[rudebwoy]

(02-09-2019 11:36 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I keep telling dudes that the hardest players I ever met were short dudes. 5'4-5'6 but with seriously ballsy personalities. Like straight up punking way bigger dudes in a set with words and fearlessness. I see this often. I know a Colombian dude in China who is smooth as fuck. he's also gotta be like 5'2.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Scotian also fits this mold (no hate homie). At the very least he's obviously incendiary.

Adopting a mindset where you literally feel like you're the man is just so powerful.

One way to cultivate this mindset is to chill with guys like that.

You ever notice that you instantly lift more weight when you train with bigger/stronger dudes? The same thing applies to girls and game. If you start hanging with killers you start killing since you wanna fit in.

My game experienced a quantum leap because of guys like Clint Barton, Getdownonit, Slubu, Spider and other dudes who were at the level I wanted to be on.

Aside from Spider, no one in that group is above 6' tall but they all have respectable notch counts. Oh, and two of those dudes aren't White so I don't want to hear any bullshit about "b-but-but I'm Asian/Martian/Patagonian."

[Savonarola]

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I mean, lets be honest, the guys who happened to fall into social circles with a lot of hot girls usually have these three traits in common:

1: Come from a rich family (which is a reliable indicator of shitty person)
2: They play high level sports (jocks are totally up their own asses a lot of the time, and very cliquey)
3: Provide hard drugs and alcohol to the girls (probably an unstable human being, with fairly high likelihood of violent and/or belligerent tendencies)

Paging Dan Bilzerian, you have a phone call at the courtesy desk.

[Savonarola]

Out at a bar/club last night, a young 8 brunette cold approached one of my boys. She could not have stared into his eyes any harder during their 10-minute convo. He joked later on group text that he can't go anywhere without being approached by girls lol.

So to all you game denialists, it does happen. He's good looking, 6 ft tall, a little thin, has a good heavy stubble/beard. Looks dark and suave.

But I'm equally good looking, equally suave, and two inches taller. In fact, there was 5 of us, and we're all roughly the same SMV - well-put-together professional men, good-looking, in their early 30s to early 40s. We're all "catches" to use an old expression. But she opened him, and him alone, and was uninterested in even glancing at any of us. Why? Her personal taste.

Lesson: Being approached by a woman involves a bit of luck.

[subterfuge]

(02-09-2019 04:43 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  

So to all you game denialists, it does happen.

i think you mean 'looks denialists'?

(02-09-2019 04:43 PM)Savonarola Wrote:  

But she opened him, and him alone, and was uninterested in even glancing at any of us. Why? Her personal taste.

Yes. tbh this (you being her personal taste) is really what it all comes down to when it comes to banging girls from cold approach. (And CERTAINLY when it comes to girls opening you)

But it's important to remember that girls tastes in men can vary. That's why you can't just give up if you're a bit ugly. Play the numbers game! There really are some (not many) girls who will think young Brad Pitt isn't handsome. I used to work with a hot young girl who would always choose various celebs as her 'physical 10/10' that all of her female work colleagues would laugh at and think were 'ugly'

The hottest girl I ever pulled was some barely legal teen 8.5/10 and she kind of approached me! We talked. Kissed within a few mins and then I banged her at her parents house (ps, this was a year or so back and I was like twice her age lol)

I'd love to brag about my 'game', but fact is, she banged me because I was her physical type (despite every other girl in the club likely not thinking I was good looking. Most don't). It would have been hard to mess up. It's more about not having 'anti game' and being VERY weird etc, than it it about 'just learn game, bro''. Like, for a 'normal' person, there's like nothing in 'game' books that they don't already know.

[Savonarola]

(02-09-2019 04:54 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  

But it's important to remember that girls tastes in men can vary. That's why you can't just give up if you're a bit ugly. Play the numbers game! There really are some (not many) girls who will think young Brad Pitt isn't handsome. I used to work with a hot young girl who would always choose various celebs as her 'physical 10/10' that all of her female work colleagues would laugh at and think were 'ugly'

Years ago I was banging a girl who believed that Gabriel Byrne was a sexy, sexy man.
GABRIEL BYRNE.

A few years later another fuck-buddy told me her ideal celebrity man was Anthony Hopkins.
ANTHONY HOPKINS.

Both were crazy. The second one in particular had BPD. So maybe that explains some of their weird opinions.

[real98]

(02-09-2019 11:36 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I keep telling dudes that the hardest players I ever met were short dudes. 5'4-5'6 but with seriously ballsy personalities. Like straight up punking way bigger dudes in a set with words and fearlessness. I see this often. I know a Colombian dude in China who is smooth as fuck. he's also gotta be like 5'2.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Scotian also fits this mold (no hate homie). At the very least he's obviously incendiary.

Adopting a mindset where you literally feel like you're the man is just so powerful.

One way to cultivate this mindset is to chill with guys like that.

You ever notice that you instantly lift more weight when you train with bigger/stronger dudes? The same thing applies to girls and game. If you start hanging with killers you start killing since you wanna fit in.

My game experienced a quantum leap because of guys like Clint Barton, Getdownonit, Slubu, Spider and other dudes who were at the level I wanted to be on.

Aside from Spider, no one in that group is above 6' tall but they all have respectable notch counts. Oh, and two of those dudes aren't White so I don't want to hear any bullshit about "b-but-but I'm Asian/Martian/Patagonian."

what is your point?

Of course you can get laid without being super tall or even tall.

5'2 is tough though.

I've personally never met anyone that short who was a legit player.

I do know a few guys who are 5'7 to 5'9 who fuck a lot of girls in night game.

But the level of effort they put in compared to me or my taller friends is considerably more.

Honestly, when I go to clubs, i basically just stand in a high traffic area where I can be seen and girls will just come and start hovering near me.

[KMK]

I'm jacked but 5'9 with shit hair and women never approach me

[Alpone]

If by "approach" you mean a woman actually starting a convo and not hinting through eye contact/body language, I've had this happen semi-frequently - usually when I run solo. I'm very average height but in good shape and told I have a "mysterious" or "interesting" vibe.

Disclaimer: I'm also a musician, but hardly ever tell girls this up front. Somehow they pick up on it anyway even though I don't have long hair or lots of tattoos.

[jcrew247]

(02-09-2019 07:25 PM)Alpone Wrote:  

If by "approach" you mean a woman actually starting a convo and not hinting through eye contact/body language, I've had this happen semi-frequently - usually when I run solo. I'm very average height but in good shape and told I have a "mysterious" or "interesting" vibe.

Disclaimer: I'm also a musician, but hardly ever tell girls this up front. Somehow they pick up on it anyway even though I don't have long hair or lots of tattoos.

Yeah, I've had girls come up to me. If I make strong eye contact to a hot girl in a bar, she'll usually come up to me. I suppose I'm average looking and can be mistaken for other people.
A few times the girls have asked if they know me from high school or that I look familiar and "if I went to high school with them?"
Its kinda funny, so I'm not sure if they are hitting on me, or if I just look like an interesting person to talk to.
But its the type of indirect opener most girls are willing to take when they don't know a guy but want to talk to him. Its also important to make strong eye contact so the woman knows you're interested in her.

One of Jack Nicholson's lines when he picked up Jennifer Lawrence at the Oscars was "You look like my ex-girlfriend"

So thats a good indirect opener - "YOu remind me of a friend of mine from high school or a girl I used to date"

[gework]

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Do sexy guys really get cold approached by random girls that often?

Yes. Thought it's a bit more than that. If you are just good-looking girls will approach you, but they will likely be -1 or -2; and I think you need to be a 7.5+, or about 1 in 10 younger guys. In my experience these girls are all pretty trashy. They have big mouths and few options. If they had something good in their life they wouldn't be sticking themselves out for likely rejection. Attention flows heavily from men to women. They're looking to trade up by trading their attention.

The only guy I have ever known who is dripping in female attention is my cousin. I don't think he's that good looking. Maybe a 7.5 tops. But his exceptional features are 20 years on the 'roids. He's big, but well proportioned. One time he walked in a room and some women said, "It's James Bond." He doesn't move like he trying to be the king of the jungle - he walks like the king of the jungle, because he gets a lot of attention and he's been with the types of women who every guy wants. And it's subtle. He doesn't parade into a room flexing his muscles and dramatically strutting around. That kind of behaviour suggests to women you need attention and they don't find that attractive. The way he moves is that he doesn't need your attention, because he already has so much.

So he has two things that make him exceptional that are communicated indirectly. This is where some women can't but help unleash their valuable attention. Either by their eyes or mouths.

On the muscle front. He is the archetypal male who throughout history women have wanted and men have wanted to be. It's not common, it's exceptional, so attention flows there. I've compared it to the noise walkie-talkies make. When you hear that noise your head will reactionally turn to look in the direction of the noise. When women see a real-life Hercules, they have the same involuntary move to give it their attention. Then you couple this with moving like you don't need women's attention. This communicates to women that you are someone who may be worth their attention - high status.

From what I've seen women are looking for a man who is validated. Some categories:

1) Muscle - validated by the Hercules archetype
2) Movement - validated by communicating you don't need attention
3) Male model good-looks - validated by your ancestors' mating choices
4) Fame / reputation / image - validated by society
5) Being introduced by a friend - validated by social circle
6) Speech - validated by communicating you don't need attention

The guys who have been mentioned in the thread will fall into one or more of these. If your close to them you will get some attention from girls you don't know. If you are just average, maybe a few times in your life by fatties.

When I am out with my friend he will sometimes say he saw a woman looking at me. But I rarely catch them. In terms of looks I'm above average, but not exceptional. Women may be drawn in to have a look, but I probably won't catch them. They're not going to waste their valuable attention on showing me my attention is more valuable then theirs. However, when I got noticeably muscular in 2017/18, I noticed more looks from women. Especially as there are virtually no exceptional guys where I live. And I also noticed that when I was out with my friend (who knows a lot of people) whenever a woman he knew came over to him they would often do the involuntary head-movement to check me out - the full scan, because I was in or close to the exceptional zone: muscle, looks and being introduced by a friend. During these days I moved differently and was much more confident.

This all peaked when I was in Russia last year. I'd just been out on a date with a conservative, Russia, -11 years, 8. She didn't speak English, but it went great. Then I walked about five miles home: looking good, muscular and well dressed. And I couldn't give a damn about any attention women might want to show me as I had enough to not care. As I walked with a smile on my face, with a gait of natural confidence that said I had something. Girls were making eye contact and as I neared my apartment two girls on a bus were going out of their way to keep gawping at me as it drove past. This continued while I was there. I joined a gym and was signed up by a spicy high-7. Three weeks later she took my card from me at the desk and asked me in English how I was doing in an excited way. About a month later a fairly decent married women from Murmansk asked me to fuck her via Google Translate. Since being injured it's all gone down hill.

[griffinmill]

I've been told by chicks that I look like Michael Fassbender and Ewan McGregor . That gives you an idea of my look. My body shape and size would be similar to Fasbender's and facially I can see a resemblance. On a very good day (esp in EE) I get IOI'd (the ones I actually notice) maybe 3-5 times. Approached? Very, very, very infrequently. But then I'm seldom in bars and clubs.

[UlugBeg]

The CA's girls laid on me recently were at cafe's, street fairs, just walking around town and while I'm working (in EMS). Most of these caught me blindsided. I'm not aware enough to pick up subtle IOI. Most were 5-7 range. Usually in the 20's, but a few older. Haven't done bars/clubs in a while, though I plan to.

[Pointer]

Speaking from personal experience I had a couple friends who were very handsome but average in height and they never got approached. It was easy for them to open girls though. Good looks is like a good opener but you still need to run game.
Another dude who used to play volleyball professionally and was very tall with an average face would get have girls opening him now and then but only during the night in bars or clubs. Problem is that the girls were not exactly at the same level of attractiveness. Still they were much easier to bang.

[asuite12]

(02-06-2019 06:38 AM)aswifty Wrote:  

If you do a google search for this very question, you will have numerous men claiming that they themselves, or a close friend of theirs, gets cold approached by 1-5 women on a night out ON AVERAGE. Or in less extreme claims, that they get approached on average once a week.

I have a hard time believing this. For several reasons.

1: I consider myself to be pretty good looking. I have evidence in my life that supports this , from random compliments from strangers, to persistent stares (From legit hot girls), to girls whispering about me in groups, from sexual body language directed towards me in public (this is rare though), ect....

However, I have only ever been directly cold approached about 5-7 times in my teenage/adult life. (not including online, not that i do good




there either) (i'm 25 by the way) And never have any of those girls asked for my number, nor did i ask for theirs.

I'm not trying to brag about my looks, i go a little above and beyond in terms of living a healthy style compared to most, but i do fall short on the grooming/style side of things. So, a little sexual attraction from strangers feels somewhat warranted to me, given the effort i put into diet and such.

But after reading these threads, it's becoming somewhat apparent to me, that i must be considerably underwhelming sexually speaking if some men can experience such a higher degree of attention than me from strange women.

My once help belief that my looks is the best personal asset I can offer to women (currently), is one of delusion, because women's lack of approaching me apparently must be an actual representational figure of my weak looks.

2: When I'm out in public, I've never witnessed a woman cold approach a man first. Of course it happens, but it must be somewhat rare.

In all honesty, all the male to female interactions i see are not with top tier looking guys. I usually see the best looking guys alone, or with their bros.

It's that super friendly, upbeat, average looking guy who i often see getting in the conversations with the hot girls usually. And i think to myself, that this guy is often just talking to them as friends, because that's how it looks from where I'm sitting.
However, I am not gay, so maybe i'm not seeing what the girls are?

3: Men tend to like to lie about these things.

Their height, their net worth, their lay count, their penis size, ect. Any numerical value that represents a higher status or value that could incite envy from other men, men notoriously lie about.

Is that what is happening here? Because from my angle, if a guy is actually hot and not high status, I would imagine girls would be weary to approach him out of insecurity of his perceived options, and the higher likelihood of rejection.

I am not referring to persistent glances, or IOIs to warm approach, I am talking about a full on direct (or indirect question that veils the obvious intent) approach from a female.

Also side note, I always cringe when I hear from close mates of mine or personal accounts online, that how they've never experienced a rejection because the girls always approach them first.
They apparently just pick and choose the options that come to them.

My one gym buddy, said he has never approached a girl in the club, despite going out every friday/saturday for an entire year.
They would always approach him, and that he would get about one girl every 0.5months as a result.

My other buddy said he would get approached about 3 times a night, especially if he was playing pool, and he would reject them all out of being committed.

Is this a wake up call, a sort of red pill, that women are not as timid and insecure that we'd like to believe, that in fact many women are out there approaching attractive men actively, and that the more efficient strategy would position yourself in a way that would allow them to approach you, since so many women are apparently doing it anyway.

This strategy eliminates you from the needy frame, and allows you to avoid rejection thus keeping any self esteem dips intact.



So, I would like to hear from the men of the RooshVforum who have lived it.

1: How often do you get cold approached?

2: Where do you get cold approached, if you do?

3: Do you notice any friends (or yourself) who are conventionally considered to be hot, get cold approached by women a disproportional amount?

4: How often would you say you notice women cold approach men? And the ones that do, how hot are they? (i hear a lot of guys claim 7+s don't approach men, yet i've also heard some guys say they do, but only really hot guys.)

5: Is not focusing on women when out, and waiting for them to come to you, an efficient strategy to get laid? It's definitely a high status move.

its believable i am far more attractive then many other guys ive ever met and more intelligent i am a published author my book is the best on the subject. i always knew i had more chixs then other guys by a long shot i dont usually tell people like you from the sounds of it about this on occasion i have not ever if they where haters usually insecure guys who are weak and ugly. i have been approached by up to 12 girls in a single evening and its not unusual for me to be approached by a girl or two during the week day game time cold approached i meet way more girls this way not only do i approach i get approached up to 10 times as often as i approach alot of 10's as well i think they have more confidence in approaching me because they dont get turned down by guys . its beleivable he probably has a lower body fat percentage bigger muscles better features and is considered intelligent.

[Cup_Cake]

(02-06-2019 04:01 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

His game mostly consists of perching at the bar, and they come up to him and offer themselves to him.

Its depressing to watch.

[tomzestatlu]

Today I´ve been approached by woman on the streets saying, that I look handsome. It was my granny, does that count?

Well I´ve been approached by girl many times. There were probably some bangs coming out of it, but the girl is usually much lower level on scale of atractiveness.
Recent months I gave up on drinking, but I still have need to feel socialized and that´s kind of problem. So sometimes I just ramble around few clubs. Usually there´s really bad ratio of men v women, so as I am sober, I can see as some attractive girl is being approached every minute. That keeps me from approaching. There´s one club, that is a little bit posh and rich guys and women who are older than students go there. I realized I go there to level my ego and display myself, because I don´t have any money to throw at women, but I look good. I actually get approached there and generally get tons of IOI.

[Jhon_travolta]

I am not an expert on game, 23yo, but what I can assure you 99,9% is that your dream woman that you see on the supermarket line or coffeshop will NEVER, EVER hit you. If you wait for it, you will lose her forever. I think only desperate woman or beautiful woman in a very specific moment of her life will approach a man.

[womanapproacher]

I think the definition of "approach" is being used very vaguely here.

Women don't go out for day gaming sessions like men do. And they don't do yad stops on men either, like a day gamer would.

A woman will not simply be walking a long in broad day light and stop a man in the street to talk to him.

That just doesn't happen at all.

A woman who is already incidentally near you striking up a conversation is not an approach.

By my definition, an approach would be a yad stop or maybe a side stop on a walking target, stating clearly her intentions, as per the day game model.

A lot of people on this forum seem to have no idea of what a day game approach actually consists of.

I have been day gaming for the past 8 months and practicing these techniques, so I know what I am talking about.

Edit: for the record, I am 6'2 as well, so quite tall, my face is average but I am ripped, although it doesn't show through my clothing.

[subterfuge]

(02-15-2019 07:03 AM)womanapproacher Wrote:  

A lot of people on this forum seem to have no idea of what a day game approach actually consists of.

I don't think 'day game' specifically was ever mentioned? i think people know what a day game approach is lol
My good looking friends get's approached about 5 times per NIGHT, but I don't think i've ever seen him get approached in the day.

(02-15-2019 07:03 AM)womanapproacher Wrote:  

I have been day gaming for the past 8 months and practicing these techniques, so I know what I am talking about.

lol. Lots of posters here have been approaching for like 5+ years lol

[Cobra]

^I wrote about this in another thread. Maybe I'm repeating myself.

I think you need to adjust your mentality.

Women don't typically "approach" like men do. They will do shit that we call IOI. All this means is that she may fling her hair, smile at you, stare, ask a random indirect question, find an excuse to be in your physical space, etc. Let me be clear : These are approaches from women. Or maybe call it invitations for you to approach. Whatever the fuck they are, as a man, it's up to you to capitalize on them. Do not leave this part to women.

Reason I bring this up is that there is some delusion that goes something like this:
1. If a girl approaches a guy (like we think of cold approach) he must be more attractive then ME and more confident than ME.
2. Attractive girls DO cold approach guys.

These are in my opinion defeatist ASSUMPTIONS made as an excuse for you to be unattractive and devalue yourself before even stepping onto the arena. Even if it does happen, in my experience, it is extremely rare in the case of hot women as already said here.

Another thing I said elsewhere. If certain concepts are unfavorable to you, do not wallow in them and defeat yourself. Success comes from failing by trying. It doesn't come from accepting failure before you try. I see the latter in a lot of these threads.