[Oberrheiner]

(01-22-2019 06:32 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

Millions of Germans would flood Switzerland if they opened the borders.

You keep repeating that but I just don't understand why

Any EU-national can go work in Switzerland - you just have to find a job.
Then the company will do the paperwork for your visa - I have done this myself twice already.

And if you do not find a job honestly you don't want to go live in Switzerland anyway, considering the cost of living there - a shared flat and food will cost you 1000CHF per month, your own flat plus food can be double that.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(01-22-2019 08:03 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 06:32 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

Millions of Germans would flood Switzerland if they opened the borders.

You keep repeating that but I just don't understand why

Any EU-national can go work in Switzerland - you just have to find a job.
Then the company will do the paperwork for your visa - I have done this myself twice already.

And if you do not find a job honestly you don't want to go live in Switzerland anyway, considering the cost of living there - a shared flat and food will cost you 1000CHF per month, your own flat plus food can be double that.

If you are somewhat specialized then it's possible - and no - it's not the overwhelming majority of the job market. Companies have to put in the paperwork and it works only to some degree.

The people would come over if it were possible due to 50% of the Germans living off ridiculously low wages and millions being still unemployed. The rapefugees only live off welfare, crime and their best plan is to get married with 4 wives and keep them always pregnant.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(01-22-2019 07:37 AM)Kaligula Wrote:  

In CE, such a real estate boom happened only in Poland and Hungary, but Hungarians were lucky to index rather to JPY than CHF, later they were even more lucky when Orban forced banks to get rid of indexing and to revalue mortgages in HUF (Hungarian forints). In Poland, banks & developers are too strong. For many, this is also a kind of moral problem (known as moral hazard): should the state actually bail out those creditors?

They are 3 millions of young people with their future taken away by their unlucky mortgages, and they have not been able to mount any serious protests whatsoever, except a few anemic demonstrations. So docile Poles actually are! Almost like Germans... Compare that to the French, who now are holding massive protests due to the fuel tax....

Overblown - Poland is far more productive than Spain. Even the workers compared to Italians are far more productive. I read the reports from the Fiat factories - even if they would have paid them the same, then Poles would be 50% more productive. Only Germans rival the same or the French, but the French have a bit too heavy handed regulation.

The real estate bubble in Poland was shortlived and ended in 2008. For those who bought at that high, then it was bad. The CHF-mortgages are overblown - even if they bought properties that are under water, then they are paying it off at rates lower than they would pay rent for the identical property. I know such families whose property is still 30% under the water, but they don't move because it's less than they would pay rent.

And I see the real estate market around Krakow - it's doing exceedingly well with flats sold off like crazy. I am currently also an investor who rents out and the market is stable, liquid and quite good. Even old cheaply run flats are easy. Only certain areas that have no investments or business opportunities - they struggle, but that is an endemic problem everywhere around the world as the rural areas get de-funded across the board. So you gotta avoid those areas, villages and cities where the people have to best work abroad to make ends meet.

Poland is doing better than it seems especially to the Poles. Trust me - I worked in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Poland - mostly for big globohomo banks and insurances and a few self-made-mid-sized 100 mio. $ businesses. I know the corporate world as well as the common man. The structural problems of Poland were much greater in the past and they got screwed over by the globohomos during the 1990s. 20% of the population worked in agriculture in the 1990s! That is 15% more than in Hungary or Czech Republic! It takes a decade or 2 to move the population to other occupations.

There is more than can be said on other levels as I am also an economist by trade, but who cares. Short is - it's not so bad - it's better than you think it is especially after you worked elsewhere. Only Switzerland or Norway has conditions which are exceedingly good for the common bloke - truly on easy mode up until recently at least.

On top of it all you gotta worry about your girl/daughter being raped or your shitlord son intercepting such a rape and being attacked by 5 rapefugees with knives. The Yellow Vest protests in France are a result of the economic deterioration where policeman pensioners have to live off 1200 EUR while the African inbred psycho gets paid 5000EUR net because he came over with 4 wives that he found on secondwife.com and already impregnated all of them.

[Oberrheiner]

(01-22-2019 08:34 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

If you are somewhat specialized then it's possible - and no - it's not the overwhelming majority of the job market.

Ok now I understand what you mean.
Specialized not necessarily, but adequately qualified certainly.

Isn't this the way everybody should do it though ?
If you do have to import foreigners, then it should be either high-end or niche - the type of profiles which you don't already have locally.
If it's just to sweep the street or demand welfare you certainly have more than enough locals qualified for that.

[Kaligula]

I understand that as having a managing experience of crunching numbers, you focus on whether economy is humming or nor. In this perspective, the situation is not so bad. There are jobs, that's true.
But the disposable income is not so great. The energy costs in Poland are one of the highest in EU, this is not good for industry. We do not have any really advanced industry in Poland, we are not indispensable part of world economy. The electronic industry, the second in the East Block after USSR, which even created the first personal computers (Elwro series) here, instead of being developed to make silicon wafers, was actually destroyed by Western buyouts. I mean, we weren't actually so backward as we were told in 1989. Actually, I think Greece and Spain were more backward, we had pretty versatile economy, more like Italy I would say. A lot of agricultural backwardness, but also a lot of modern industry with its own research base.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elwro

As for a backward agriculture - taking into account the coming peak oil problems, I am not sure whether it was such a good idea to get rid of it.

Cannot agree that mortgaging is always better than renting: I know one family, in Warsaw, who is under water due to their new suburbian house (they are architects and architects can be obsessive about design) so much that they rented out this house, for themselves renting just a small apartment, just to pay the house mortgage (and they are still working). They are trying to sell this house, but no one wants to pay its mortgage value.
Banks are not your friends: I remember that during the mortgage boom I correctly recognized that USD-indexed mortgage might be actually a good idea, and so I went around to ask, but no, CHF yes, EUR yes, but USD mortgage - no, not possible at all for a private individual.


Even though I live partly in Germany, I cannot really tell whether Arabs are such a great danger to your life. Also, long time ago I happened to live a few months in Syria, and this war rather a polite society. However, this is of course a different culture, with much higher level of assertiveness, confidence, brashness than the German one. You have to be polite but decisive with them. And you have to learn that they can shamelessly lie, smiling, straight into your face, with intensity so great that on the emotional level you actually get convinced, being backstopped only by logic, so you finally say what you must say, "No, my friend, no, no". But it cannot be also the German way of fighting about small things (but not about big things): "I said No twice, and now I will call police. Polizei, Polizei!".

Yet I remember a pretty German girl who said to me that "Türkische Männer sind hier gefragt", and with a mischievous smile she said that. Well, most of raped women were some kind of Flüchtlinghelferinenn, weren't they? And since I remember this mischievous smile, I cannot make myself believe that they were all naive Gutmenschen.
To me, German men who in this situation suddenly get agitated about the German women honour look like men who fight for women who don't even want to sleep with them; what they are effectively fighting for seems like "woman's right to consensual sex with her rapist". Well, it is strange, pathetic, bizarre. White-knighting and cucking at the same time. But sometimes it almost looks to me like the German men jump at this bandwagon of "defending women", just because
defending women is still "allowed", and thus is almost the only remaining socially accepted possibility of expressing your disagreement to Arab/Black immigration; nevertheless, this opportunity is essentially vicarious in character, a bit like cuck pleasures in Cuck & Bull porn. Therefore, it is tainted.
For all these reasons, I have a strong cognitive dissonance in respect to what is happening in Germany between its men, its women, and refugees.

[Oberrheiner]

(01-22-2019 11:09 AM)Kaligula Wrote:  

Yet I remember a pretty German girl who said to me that "Türkische Männer sind hier gefragt", and with a mischievous smile she said that.

That's called a shit test

[Kaligula]

(01-22-2019 08:03 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 06:32 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

Millions of Germans would flood Switzerland if they opened the borders.

You keep repeating that but I just don't understand why

Any EU-national can go work in Switzerland - you just have to find a job.
Then the company will do the paperwork for your visa - I have done this myself twice already.

And if you do not find a job honestly you don't want to go live in Switzerland anyway, considering the cost of living there - a shared flat and food will cost you 1000CHF per month, your own flat plus food can be double that.

The idea of "being flooded by Germans" is a popular meme in the German-speaking part of Switzerland.

It must be said that there are specific kinds of problems which appear between the German speaking Swiss and the Germans. Since the Swiss are generally more conservative (and the Swiss right-wing "populist" party, SVP, is mainly German-speaking), they are feeling to be somehow swamped by German "immigrants", who yet pretend to be "better" and "progressive"; some think that liberal Germans will turn conservative Switzerland into liberal one. Also, they destroy the fragile stability among the multitude of Swiss German dialects. I mean, as a German, the Swiss will expect you to learn the respective dialect, which the Germans do not really like to do... or...do badly... and WHOOPS! A PROBLEM! GERMANS DO NOT WANT TO INTEGRATE! GERMANS UNDERMINE THE PRECIOUS LOCAL SWISS CULTURE!
This is a kind of problem which arises specifically between Swiss and Germans, but not between Swiss and non-native-German foreigners. Let's say, if me or you were to work in some small firm in canton Uri, or Obwalden, the local Swiss would think that our German is just fun, but if, instead of us, real Germans were to work there, the reaction would be a bit different, there would be an additional subtext. There are general differences in culture too, for example, Germans are more direct than Swiss.

Another contentious point is that Germans are rumoured to be kind of nepotists and when already in Switzerland they allegedly tend to employ rather other Germans than Swiss people.

Why all that is in this way, I am not sure, maybe because there are so many Germans working in Switzerland, the Swiss are kinda afraid that one day they will wake up in Germany and so they create different anti-German memes.

As for the French - I remember that during Basel carnival, Fasnacht, there is this Waggis character that supposedly originated in a stereotype of an Alsatian peasant. But in general, I haven't heard about similar tensions between the French and Swiss Romandie citizens.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waggis

[Kaligula]

(01-23-2019 01:56 PM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 11:09 AM)Kaligula Wrote:  

Yet I remember a pretty German girl who said to me that "Türkische Männer sind hier gefragt", and with a mischievous smile she said that.

That's called a shit test

She was already a girlfriend of my friend, who was Italian

And well, I had the impression that she spoke in the name of all German women in the city There were no German guys around when she shared this confession.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< I remember when the Swiss opened their universities to Germans and were literally flooded with German students who did not get a slot in Germany. They had to backtrack on that or their own students would face years of waiting in line to get a spot - plus it simply burdened the Swiss taxpayer.

Also I would like to point out that most people don't have very specialized jobs. What I mean by that is that if you work in retail as a clerk, any kind of paper-pushing office job (a lot of that especially in public service), corporate positions up to mid- tier (the majority), then it's less valuable than if you are a specialized programmer, public bus driver, plumber, electrician. So the mid-tier manager working at Adidas would have a much harder time convincing a Swiss company to file the paperwork, when they get 200 Swiss applications for his job. In contrast the plumber has probably zero competition for the job if he has a good education and experience. He gets a job instantly and can even negotiate his salary by some 20-30%. Those are skills that have become more useful than the seemingly more prestigious ones.

[Kaligula]

(01-23-2019 02:29 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

< I remember when the Swiss opened their universities to Germans and were literally flooded with German students who did not get a slot in Germany. They had to backtrack on that or their own students would face years of waiting in line to get a spot - plus it simply burdened the Swiss taxpayer.

Germans are really obsessed about studying medicine. I remember "Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung" article about the guy who tried to get admitted to medicine studies for 9 years! Finally, he succeeded. Is it grit or greed ?!
Medicine seems to appeal to the German soul in a very special way: it offers money, security, prestige and the veneer of altruism at the same time. At the other hand, German doctors get one of the lowest ratings in empathy in Europe, which shows that something is wrong here (from the medicine point of view).

Let us hope that one day Germany will go the Cuban way and will start exporting doctors everywhere. It is the right way, Germans, through the world Cuba is more loved than you!

[Oberrheiner]

(01-23-2019 02:15 PM)Kaligula Wrote:  

The idea of "being flooded by Germans" is a popular meme in the German-speaking part of Switzerland.
[..]

There are some truths in what you say, but not only.
Having lived and worked many years in switzerland I could give you thousands of anecdotes but I wouldn't want to dox myself.

In any case you can PM me next time you're in basel if you want
I'll probably attend Chienbäse too this year.