I'm no expert on the matter, but it seems like as soon as a guy gets married he's setting himself up to be cucked by her, and the courts. As soon as he signs the paper he's giving her the right to take everything he's worked hard for whenever she feels like it. If you don't have tight ltr game, the ability to keep it fresh, and strong frame, hour after hour, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, decade after decade... then more than likely you will be divorce raped. There is no way a blue pill beta can pull it off, and from what I read here MM was a blue pill beta. R.I.P MM.
Mr Money Mustache Divorce
Quote: (01-04-2019 09:35 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:
Oh, she's got a nice job? That means higher expectations, no amount of lube will ease the pain of the extra tricks you'll have to work to please that girl. In that case, go make me some MORE money, bitches.
I've said before, and I'll say again: most women do not understand money.
At all.
Some men don't, either, but it's far more pervasive with women. Trying to get her "on board" for some kind of financial strategy will not likely work if it inconveniences her. Set her up with what you want her to have and leave it be while you go about the business.
There was a thread here a while ago about how a guy lost his wife after he paid for her education trying to be responsible. He should have just bought himself a boat to fuck her on and she'd have been just as happy, showing all her Instagram friends how "they" have a boat. Some old saying I heard once about how the right car will get you the girl, but the heated seats are what keep her in it.
Hidey-ho, RVFerinos!
Quote: (01-04-2019 02:37 PM)WonderKid666 Wrote:
If you don't have tight ltr game, the ability to keep it fresh, and strong frame, hour after hour, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, decade after decade... then more than likely you will be divorce raped.
No one has this, how exhausting. I could probably grow a business to 1 million in revenue per year in half the time it would take for LTR game like that, haha.
Quote: (01-04-2019 09:35 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:
Oh, she's got a nice job? That means higher expectations, no amount of lube will ease the pain of the extra tricks you'll have to work to please that girl. In that case, go make me some MORE money, bitches.
Years ago I did something stupid and took a job with an unreliable and crappy company. When that company let me go my financial situation was really bad. My housewife went and got a job at Walmart. She worked 60 hour weeks for 5 months while I sat at home and applied for jobs. When I got a nice new job, she quit Wally world and went back to housewifing.
There are a good number of ride or die women out there... you just have to find them.
I'm also going to say that if the only thing you value in a woman is looks... you will likely always miss the best ones. A 6 with a great heart is worth more than any jewel and a 9 with a bad attitude is worth less than shit.
Quote: (01-03-2019 08:01 PM)Hammerhead Wrote:
He lives in the ultra-liberal Boulder, CO area so that could be a factor.
He lives in Longmont, not Boulder.
Easy to remember:
Boulder -- White, liberal, Hippies, CU, trust funds, lots of money.
Longmont -- Mexicans and the white people who can't afford Boulder property tax / rent
Wonder if she will go after him for allimony on the Imputed Income 100k+ salary he should have been making the last 10 years and going forward? Serves him right.
I got banned from that forum like 10 years ago for calling out the cheapass SJW faggot moderators for their cheapass SJW faggotry...
I got banned from that forum like 10 years ago for calling out the cheapass SJW faggot moderators for their cheapass SJW faggotry...
After reading the article I'd say it sounds like there was probably cheating involved, or at least intent. Sad that there's a child.
The fact that he's living so close by, along with the tone of his writing, to me means it was more likely her decision to dissolve the marriage. If it was him leaving/cheating I imagine he'd want to or have to be farther away. And she certainly would want him farther away. Not to be cynical and fall in with the party line on RVF, but from how civil he's portraying the whole thing it definitely sounds like she's leaving and he's being very forgiving and blue-pill about it. Given that they have a child it's his best option.
If he was the one who cheated she'd likely be out for blood and things wouldn't be so smooth with him living close by. And they probably are less smooth than that post makes it seem anyway.
In any event, good on him that he's done well enough that they can both stay retired and debt free.
The fact that he's living so close by, along with the tone of his writing, to me means it was more likely her decision to dissolve the marriage. If it was him leaving/cheating I imagine he'd want to or have to be farther away. And she certainly would want him farther away. Not to be cynical and fall in with the party line on RVF, but from how civil he's portraying the whole thing it definitely sounds like she's leaving and he's being very forgiving and blue-pill about it. Given that they have a child it's his best option.
If he was the one who cheated she'd likely be out for blood and things wouldn't be so smooth with him living close by. And they probably are less smooth than that post makes it seem anyway.
In any event, good on him that he's done well enough that they can both stay retired and debt free.
It's hard to say for sure what's going on here. Going through some of his posts, he recommends things like "cut down your grocery bill by eating mostly eggs and brown rice". That's fine advice if you're poor, but if he was still doing it when they had millions of dollars, I can see why she'd want to get the hell out.
No way to know from the outside, though.
No way to know from the outside, though.
Quote: (01-04-2019 06:14 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:
It's hard to say for sure what's going on here. Going through some of his posts, he recommends things like "cut down your grocery bill by eating mostly eggs and brown rice". That's fine advice if you're poor, but if he was still doing it when they had millions of dollars, I can see why she'd want to get the hell out.
No way to know from the outside, though.
Yeah, I would not be a good Money Mustache guy, I never skimp on food, food is an investment in yourself!
Eggs and rice, hell no! Fruits, veggies, and high quality meats all the way! I generally don't cook, it's more expensive and time consuming as a single guy to cook for yourself versus eating out, unless you're cool with eating the same thing over and over and your time is worth very little. If I have a ton of free time and the logistics make sense, then I do cook, but it definitely isn't rice and eggs. I like eggs, but I'm just saying.
And I never eat leftovers/saved food, tupperware for me is like a Christian cross to a vampire, everything has to be cooked on the spot.
Quote: (01-04-2019 02:50 PM)Jetset Wrote:
Quote: (01-04-2019 09:35 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:
Oh, she's got a nice job? That means higher expectations, no amount of lube will ease the pain of the extra tricks you'll have to work to please that girl. In that case, go make me some MORE money, bitches.
I've said before, and I'll say again: most women do not understand money.
At all.
Some men don't, either, but it's far more pervasive with women. Trying to get her "on board" for some kind of financial strategy will not likely work if it inconveniences her. Set her up with what you want her to have and leave it be while you go about the business.
There was a thread here a while ago about how a guy lost his wife after he paid for her education trying to be responsible. He should have just bought himself a boat to fuck her on and she'd have been just as happy, showing all her Instagram friends how "they" have a boat. Some old saying I heard once about how the right car will get you the girl, but the heated seats are what keep her in it.
That happened to a guy I met at a party a few years back. Guy paid for his girl's college (or master's, I don't recall), sacrificing for years. The plan was she'd go work once she graduates and then they'd have double income.
So she graduates and decides she wants to be a house wife. I don't remember if they were married or just boyfriend or girlfriend.
He broke up with her.
So at the end of the day, she got a free education and free rent for years. She also got free sex too for years, if that counts, and it probably does in this case because he seemed like the kind of guy that was probably going down on her for hours before she'd permit him the "privilege" of pounding it.
The guy probably picks up women at "wage gap" protests/marches.
Betas gonna beta.
Quote: (01-04-2019 08:26 AM)Belgrano Wrote:
Female: "Honey, we have millions of dollars in savings, can we stop living like poor people now?"
Male: "No."
2015: "No."
2016: "No."
2017: "No."
2018: "No."
Female: *files for divorce*
This is almost certainly a lot closer than you think.
Peter Adeney (Mr MM) is basically nothing more than a tree hugging, environmentalist liar.
He is much more interested in environmental causes than making/saving money but knowingly chooses to do it like this as he knows pure environmentalism would not sell. He also knowingly and deliberately lies about his "low" spending by pretending a lot of his spending is actually business expenses which in reality is him spending on his hobbies.
He also comes across as very much "his way or the highway" which includes such things as moving to a smaller house when the first house was hardly extravagant and travelling everywhere by bike.
And whilst we all know the true nature of women here, it is likely that in this case his wife is blameless but was simply worn down by his constant moralising and hard core parsimony.
The entire situation is very ironic. This guy goes to extremes in order to save money. His cheap lifestyle leads to a divorce which will cost him a ton of money.
Quote: (01-04-2019 09:11 PM)zoom Wrote:
The entire situation is very ironic. This guy goes to extremes in order to save money. His cheap lifestyle leads to a divorce which will cost him a ton of money.
You could argue his picking the wrong girl to marry led to his divorce, which will cost him a ton of money, but yeah, you're spot on regardless.
Guy should have married a FOB Chinese or Vietnamese girl, the ones that are all about stretching pennies to make ends meet, seems like it would have been a better match.
But it seems like he wouldn't have been open to doing that, after all, what would the neighbors say? They'd think he married a "mail order bride," can't have the neighbors think that, and on top of that, can't be taking "advantage" of a girl like that.
I read MMM blog but I'm only up to 2014 or so on his blogs. I've learned a lot from his frugal lifestyle and financial knowledge. It is sad to see this happen to him and especially his son.
In reading his blogs early on, I immediately noticed that he's in an equality marriage, from the way he wrote about his wife, and from the way she wrote about herself and him. Another giveaway was that despite their early retirement and being wealthy, they only have one child. I had a feeling that something like this would happen down the track. There is only one end for all equality marriages: divorce. The core of a successful marriage is not frugality, MMM or FIRE, it is following biblical roles: leader for man, helpmeet for woman or man leads, wife submits. You can never have a successful marriage when the man and the woman are "coparents" or "partners", equal in everything.
Oh well, you learn what's useful, and discard the rest (from his blogs).
In reading his blogs early on, I immediately noticed that he's in an equality marriage, from the way he wrote about his wife, and from the way she wrote about herself and him. Another giveaway was that despite their early retirement and being wealthy, they only have one child. I had a feeling that something like this would happen down the track. There is only one end for all equality marriages: divorce. The core of a successful marriage is not frugality, MMM or FIRE, it is following biblical roles: leader for man, helpmeet for woman or man leads, wife submits. You can never have a successful marriage when the man and the woman are "coparents" or "partners", equal in everything.
Oh well, you learn what's useful, and discard the rest (from his blogs).
Quote: (01-04-2019 08:22 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:
it's more expensive and time consuming as a single guy to cook for yourself versus eating out
Sometimes, depends how efficient you are. 3x pack of porterhouse steaks cost the same as a sushi bento box and drink for lunch (my fave takeaway). Steak takes exactly 10 minutes to prep and sear on a cast iron skillet. That's 3 solid dinners for the price of a single takeaway lunch.
If I were to eat out the way I eat at home it would cost a crapload more. A porterhouse steak at a restaurant is at a minimum the price of three sushi bento boxes.
I think only 1 person here so far has touched upon the most neglected and possibly the most contentious point so far: It is possible to hide assets, especially in this day and age.
I won't go into details that have been discussed already, but crypto is one great option. Obviously to MMM's case, his net worth is well known and public having built a blog on top of it, so it's not so easy however no reason a guy like that can't throw 500K into say XMR.
If it ever hit the courts, he could just say "oops, transferred it to wrong address, bye bye".
I won't go into details that have been discussed already, but crypto is one great option. Obviously to MMM's case, his net worth is well known and public having built a blog on top of it, so it's not so easy however no reason a guy like that can't throw 500K into say XMR.
If it ever hit the courts, he could just say "oops, transferred it to wrong address, bye bye".
Quote: (01-05-2019 02:46 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:
In reading his blogs early on, I immediately noticed that he's in an equality marriage, from the way he wrote about his wife, and from the way she wrote about herself and him.
I only heard about MMM one time in a podcast, perhaps with Tim Ferris or James Altucher.
Anyway just from his voice tonality and mannerism you could tell he was much more on the beta liberal side than the masculine conservative side.
I am actually surprised he got married and made it last that long. I guess internet fame served him at least a bit.
Quote: (01-05-2019 04:42 AM)Higgins Wrote:
I won't go into details that have been discussed already, but crypto is one great option. Obviously to MMM's case, his net worth is well known and public having built a blog on top of it, so it's not so easy however no reason a guy like that can't throw 500K into say XMR.
If it ever hit the courts, he could just say "oops, transferred it to wrong address, bye bye".
You know that would never, EVER, work, right?
Quote: (01-05-2019 03:28 AM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:
Quote: (01-04-2019 08:22 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:
it's more expensive and time consuming as a single guy to cook for yourself versus eating out
Sometimes, depends how efficient you are. 3x pack of porterhouse steaks cost the same as a sushi bento box and drink for lunch (my fave takeaway). Steak takes exactly 10 minutes to prep and sear on a cast iron skillet. That's 3 solid dinners for the price of a single takeaway lunch.
If I were to eat out the way I eat at home it would cost a crapload more. A porterhouse steak at a restaurant is at a minimum the price of three sushi bento boxes.
Yeah, definitely, stuff like that is the exception and it's exactly the stuff I occasionally cook.
Quote: (01-05-2019 04:52 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:
Quote: (01-05-2019 04:42 AM)Higgins Wrote:
I won't go into details that have been discussed already, but crypto is one great option. Obviously to MMM's case, his net worth is well known and public having built a blog on top of it, so it's not so easy however no reason a guy like that can't throw 500K into say XMR.
If it ever hit the courts, he could just say "oops, transferred it to wrong address, bye bye".
You know that would never, EVER, work, right?
Withdraw 500k cash slowly from bank
Buy monero on local monero, use cash
Quote: (01-04-2019 02:58 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:
I'm also going to say that if the only thing you value in a woman is looks... you will likely always miss the best ones. A 6 with a great heart is worth more than any jewel and a 9 with a bad attitude is worth less than shit.
Well said. Someone on this forum once posted "A 6 in your bed is better than an 8 in your head," which was the right advice when I stumbled on that gem. Anyway, I'm not interested in getting married presently. But one girl I've been seeing for some time now falls in this category. It hasn't gone unnoticed. I'm still working out the inner struggle of finding that trophy wife that also has a "great heart." I'm starting to believe you can't have it all in one person -- probably the reason why I enjoy spinning plates (because each has something different I like).
Got to keep in mind the differences in SMV between him and her.
Him: Incredibly popular blog. Beyond financially secure. Cult of personality. Lifts.
Every blog post is "Watch me do masculine things while I provide for my family. I live a grateful, socially connected lifestyle, and you can too!"
Her: Early 40's mother. If she was ever a looker, she certainly isn't now.
**
I pay only passing attention to the blog. But I noticed he was into attending reader meetups around North America.
It's a very plausible scenario that some woman hit him with the right girl game at the right time and he banged her. If the guy went back home and confessed everything to his wife, it would end up in the situation we see now.
**
The message in his blog is: how to build up a personal fortune over a decade (or several decades).
A certain part of his female readership will say "I can do what he did and build that together with my husband over decades".
A different part of his female readership will say "I can find the guy who has already done that and, if his wife is slacking, acquire half of it for myself. I know just the dress and hairstyle that I'll wear to that meetup".
Him: Incredibly popular blog. Beyond financially secure. Cult of personality. Lifts.
Every blog post is "Watch me do masculine things while I provide for my family. I live a grateful, socially connected lifestyle, and you can too!"
Her: Early 40's mother. If she was ever a looker, she certainly isn't now.
**
I pay only passing attention to the blog. But I noticed he was into attending reader meetups around North America.
It's a very plausible scenario that some woman hit him with the right girl game at the right time and he banged her. If the guy went back home and confessed everything to his wife, it would end up in the situation we see now.
**
The message in his blog is: how to build up a personal fortune over a decade (or several decades).
A certain part of his female readership will say "I can do what he did and build that together with my husband over decades".
A different part of his female readership will say "I can find the guy who has already done that and, if his wife is slacking, acquire half of it for myself. I know just the dress and hairstyle that I'll wear to that meetup".
Quote: (01-05-2019 06:53 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:
Man: “oops, transferred it to the wrong address, it’s gone”
Judge: “ok then you’re going to jail” *slams gavel*
I think it would help a lot of people to flush out the legality of this.
So do you have a professional background in law? Been through a divorce? Work in something related?
Or are we all going to post unsubstantiated opinions?
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