Quote: (12-01-2018 02:21 AM)Tiger Man Wrote:
Quote: (11-30-2018 04:47 PM)petermcsage Wrote:
Well, what you say is true in and of itself, but you are not factoring in reproductive strategy, which, in my opinion, is indeed correlated with IQ.
What do I mean by that?
I mean that you did not contradict my statement that most prostitutes (and to a lesser extent, promiscuous women) end up destitute and/or alone, which means that they failed to reproduce at all or with a high(er) value man. And because of regression to the mean, even if they did reproduce, they did it with a "loser", which, if my theory is true, would mean that between the prostitute's low IQ and the man's, the son(s) are pretty much doomed.
The crux of the idea is that the stigma associated with prostitutes and promiscuous women has a root in practical reality, not only in religion or tradition. People despise these women because they are reproductive black holes, the same way people stay away with women with IQs of 150 because they are, for practical purposes, crazy.
Life outcomes for many (but not all) highly promiscuous women tend to be bleak (to me). I agree with you on that. As far as practical reality vs. tradition vs. religion, NN Taleb has been arguing for the past few years that they are functionally the same thing. Inherited tradition and religious revelation are considered approaches to reality. I agree with his stance on this. And, yes, looking at it from almost every known position in culture, society, and religion, across time and geography, most groups develop an, at least, aversion to rewarding female promiscuity. There is good reason for that, and I think you have pretty much hit the nail on the head. The issue is that we are talking about our perception of her reproductive fitness. And we are speaking about it in an academic way (or, at least, I am), as opposed to a street-level view. It may simply be that a girl with a 90 IQ doesn't process that having three different kids with three different (loser) fathers is failure on her part. It may become even foggier when you add in social (media) and government (monetary) support that either ameliorate some of the negative effects or actually encourage such behavior.
So, while I do agree that there is a perceivable, base nature, negative response to female promiscuity in both men and women, and I also agree that (ceteris paribus) IQ can have an effect on promiscuity, I don't know that it is a leading variable "in the current year".
Quote: (11-30-2018 07:30 PM)66Scorpio Wrote:
It's a strange correlation for the dumbest and smartest to be more religious considering that the tails of the Bell Curve mostly vote Democrat. Plus, liberal chicks are notoriously more slutty than conservatives. It's well known that self-proclaimed atheists, as a group, have higher IQs than, say, Baptists or Evangelicals. I'd like to see the studies that suggest that high IQ individuals tend to be more religious.
I may have been less than precise in that statement. It is not as if church pews are packed with Mensa members. And the effect has always been explained (where I have read in to it) as that "valley effect". It isn't that the highly intelligent are more religious, it is that the median IQ types are less religious than anyone else. The leading hypothesis I have seen on this relates to "some education fallacies" but that is way too obscure to get in to here.
Of course, there are a number of studies that attempt to state (straight out) that atheists score much higher on IQ tests than the religious. I've seen studies that were arguing about standard deviation differences. But, I have always found backing and methodology issues with such studies. I am willing to admit that there is mixed data, but in the social sciences that is par for the course. I would link to some population studies, but since they have my name on them, that is not going to happen.
Yes, you hot the nail on the head. "In the current year", genetic dead ends are subsidized by the state and various institutions to such a level that curves are flattened, trends don't last and you can almost not infer anything from anything any more.
It is also true that:
1 For the FIRST time in world history, the lifestyle of such a large amount of genetically unfit people is artificially brought up, by the way of subsidies, to that of people with a regular IQ of 100. That is distorting society to a level that the regular laws of ethics and morals do not really matter any more. Being religious has become something akin to bowing to lightning. We are left with a set of laws that must be enforced by police, with violence. Nobody believes any more in the general good of society or such things.
Take for example a single mom, with three children, no job. Any time in history, she would live to the ripe age of 30, and her children would be slaves or criminals. That would strongly suggest to women to not become single moms.
We are effectively living in a society where fundamental laws are subverted, kind of waking up and the law of gravity is suspended. How long can it last?
2 For the first time in history, such a large amount of money is extracted from taxpayers to go directly into the pockets of people just taking it to survive, a crude and direct transfer of wealth, and for the first time in history, when the extracting of money gets to a level where it is not politically bearable before revolts start, the money is just printed. Any and every time that has happened, a revolution started, with dire consequences for the people that took part in the plundering (the single moms etc.). How long can it last?
3 The cultural revolution of 1968 that started the idea that social impossibilities become possibilities, like living a single mom lifestyle or being overtly homosexual, is being contradicted and demonstrated false by a constellation of blogs, videos and so on, and this is being done with increased cultural sophistication. The left has such a large cultural gap compared to the (alt) right that they must appeal DIRECTLY to welfare leeches and DIRECTLY in terms of drawing blood from the system - no more ideals, dreams, etc. How long can it last?
So yes, "in the current year", curves are smoothed out, and the living is easy. But I believe we are in a "morals bubble", and when it pops, it will be such a large reset, that it will stay in history books.