[catoblepa]

The percentage of sexually active finnish young men has dropped significantly in the last years. My explanation is growing hypergamy and sex becoming more concentrated in a small number of alphas. But maybe I'm just a misogynistic asshole and there are other reasons I can't fathom.

[Donfitz007]

Simply put, some of the ugliest women can get sex as easily as the most handsome man.

We can talk deeper about it but there are so many post similar to this and They are all broken down into.....

Less testosterone
Higher social media presence
More competition
Incels having outlets (games, sex dolls, etc)
Feminism
Lack of masculinity
Obesity
People lying


To add to my initial statement. There are countless articles, books, studies, techniques, youtube videos, seminars, apps, even games that help men get sex from women. All a woman has to do is allow a man to have sex with her.

[catoblepa]

I wonder how it's like in Sweden and Norway, two other strongholds of gender equality where women are opting for traditionally feminine occupations. Im willing to bet it's the same for their sexual life: alphas getting the lion's share and betas becoming more and more celibate.

[scotian]

Good, fewer manly Finns means less competition for Canada at future hockey tournaments.

[Mr. D]

I’ve heard rumors of a sex doll brothel being opened somewhere in Helsinki.

[redpillage]

This is not going to end well, guys. If a majority of young men are unable to attain sex then social upheaval is almost guaranteed. May be a good thing though, we need a big cleansing.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

"But maybe I'm just a misogynistic asshole and there are other reasons I can't fathom."

The instant availability of porn is a big culprit. Some younger men are lazy. Some are shy. Some are not attractive in some ways. Some are very busy.

In the old days (i.e. when I was 18-24) you had to get over all this because you had very few options if you wanted to get your rocks off while seeing a naked woman. You had to find an actual female for that.

The other alternatives were not good. To buy a dirty magazine you had to go to a convenience store and try not to feel embarrassed while the clerk stared you down from behind the counter. Dirty movies were usually only shown in cinemas in bad parts of the city.

So, you're 21, you're horny and you don't want to jerk off in the dark using your imagination. What to do? Hey! How about bedding one of the girls on my college campus?! Actual women! What a great idea!

Online porn took away this incentive because it offers instant gratification/relief for younger guys. Who feels like going on the hunt for women after you've just ejaculated over and over to the porn-star-of-the-moment (or old '70s porn, etc.)?

I should also throw in one other thing I don't think guys under age 30 know. Masturbation was a depressing activity before online porn. It was like an admission of failure and felt creepy because you felt so alone.

Because of the solitude factor, you had no "connection" to the outside world. Having porn images on your computer screen creates surrogate humans -- in much the same way having online friends creates surrogate friends. In this sense, you feel a "connection" to women with online porn like you do with friends on Facebook or even this forum.

Granted those connections might be totally fictional or very small, but they're still there. As such, the difference between online porn and jerking off alone (or even to a magazine) is similar to the difference between me writing this to all of you or writing it in a notepad on a desk. That's a big difference, psychologically speaking.

Then there's the ripple effects.

Porn has changed the culture (understatement of the century). We're now a porn-saturated society. The mere presence of porn endorses masturbation which has made it accepted. That sure as hell wasn't the case before.

Decades ago, there was a good amount of shame and feelings of failure if you jerked off too much (or at all). You felt like a loser. Having a girl on your arm was a signal to tell your peer group "Look at me! I'm boning THIS! No masturbation in these parts!"

Now even writing about this feels like I'm unearthing ancient history. I can also find almost any old song I like on YouTube. So what's the incentive to buy music?

Hypergamy plays some role in what's happening on those charts. But to discount such a major cultural shift as porn is to ignore the elephant in the room.

Someday, when they build a time machine and I can take you all back to the '80s, then you'll understand.

[DarkTriad]

(11-13-2018 04:54 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

"But maybe I'm just a misogynistic asshole and there are other reasons I can't fathom."

The instant availability of porn is a big culprit. Some younger men are lazy. Some are shy. Some are not attractive in some ways. Some are very busy.

In the old days (i.e. when I was 18-24) you had to get over all this because you had very few options if you wanted to get your rocks off while seeing a naked woman. You had to find an actual female for that.

The other alternatives were not good. To buy a dirty magazine you had to go to a convenience store and try not to feel embarrassed while the clerk stared you down from behind the counter. Dirty movies were usually only shown in cinemas in bad parts of the city.

So, you're 21, you're horny and you don't want to jerk off in the dark using your imagination. What to do? Hey! How about bedding one of the girls on my college campus?! Actual women! What a great idea!

Online porn took away this incentive because it offers instant gratification/relief for younger guys. Who feels like going on the hunt for women after you've just ejaculated over and over to the porn-star-of-the-moment (or old '70s porn, etc.)?

I should also throw in one other thing I don't think guys under age 30 know. Masturbation was a depressing activity before online porn. It was like an admission of failure and felt creepy because you felt so alone.

Because of the solitude factor, you had no "connection" to the outside world. Having porn images on your computer screen creates surrogate humans -- in much the same way having online friends creates surrogate friends. In this sense, you feel a "connection" to women with online porn like you do with friends on Facebook or even this forum.

Granted those connections might be totally fictional or very small, but they're still there. As such, the difference between online porn and jerking off alone (or even to a magazine) is similar to the difference between me writing this to all of you or writing it in a notepad on a desk. That's a big difference, psychologically speaking.

Then there's the ripple effects.

Porn has changed the culture (understatement of the century). We're now a porn-saturated society. The mere presence of porn endorses masturbation which has made it accepted. That sure as hell wasn't the case before.

Decades ago, there was a good amount of shame and feelings of failure if you jerked off too much (or at all). You felt like a loser. Having a girl on your arm was a signal to tell your peer group "Look at me! I'm boning THIS! No masturbation in these parts!"

Now even writing about this feels like I'm unearthing ancient history. I can also find almost any old song I like on YouTube. So what's the incentive to buy music?

Hypergamy plays some role in what's happening on those charts. But to discount such a major cultural shift as porn is to ignore the elephant in the room.

Someday, when they build a time machine and I can take you all back to the '80s, then you'll understand.

Nailed it. Really hard to describe, but you pulled it off.

[porscheguy]

To echo Scotian, good I say. Less competition for me.

[nomadbrah]

There's a whole slew of these studies showing the same thing, here's one from UK saying 1 in 8 millenials are virgins at 26 years old (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05...virgins/). That's crazy and we all know it's mostly men. That's 15% by the way and might be as much as 20-25% of all millenial men.

I also read a similar study from a different nordic country, which found similar things, something like 20% of 23 year olds were virgins and once again, men might be 25-30%.

There's just no debating that the red pill is true, we've officially reverted large scale to harem behavior, only broken up by a 10 year period, in which women get married, have kids and divorce some hapless high IQ beta.

I'm also sure if you overlaid these graphs with the rise in support for right wing politics and (inflation adjusted) housing prices, then they'd overlap perfectly. Men will endure much with just a house to call home and a loving woman. Take away those two and you'll see some anger.

[beta_plus]

(11-13-2018 06:59 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

There's a whole slew of these studies showing the same thing, here's one from UK saying 1 in 8 millenials are virgins at 26 years old (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05...virgins/). That's crazy and we all know it's mostly men. That's 15% by the way and might be as much as 20-25% of all millenial men.

I also read a similar study from a different nordic country, which found similar things, something like 20% of 23 year olds were virgins and once again, men might be 25-30%.

There's just no debating that the red pill is true, we've officially reverted large scale to harem behavior, only broken up by a 10 year period, in which women get married, have kids and divorce some hapless high IQ beta.

I'm also sure if you overlaid these graphs with the rise in support for right wing politics and (inflation adjusted) housing prices, then they'd overlap perfectly. Men will endure much with just a house to call home and a loving woman. Take away those two and you'll see some anger.

Women love sky high housing prices as much as they love hypergamy. They consistently vote to block residential construction and the building of commuting infrastructure to more affordable areas.

[Cattle Rustler]

Who cares? It's not like any of us are in this category nor does it affect us negatively. More pussy for us.

[beta_plus]

(11-13-2018 07:36 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Who cares? It's not like any of us are in this category nor does it affect us negatively. More pussy for us.

Things like clean drinking water, vaccines for pandemic diseases, reliable electricity, and modern telecommunications all come from beta males trying to get women, get laid, and get families.

Personally, I like those things.

As well, taxes are sky high in the nordic countries so that women can bear the bastard children of alphas and make the betas pay for them. I'm half Danish and have seen this happen many times.

[Johnnyvee]

This is simply the natural order of things. You see the same story both in our genetic record, and with other animals as well. (Only about 1 in 10 male hippos will successfully mate as an example.) Women do the selecting for the most part, and they only want the good genes.

The post war years was pretty much the only (brief) period in all of human history where most men were able to reproduce. You might also argue that this created a lot of weak individuals that in turn laid the foundation for the cultural decline we saw with the boomers, and the resulting mess we are in today. It`s an appealing explanation at least.

I have to reject the idea that we should return to the post war model of mating, where most people find someone to reproduce with. It is a fantasy unfortunately, and goes against basic biology and natural "law."

[RatInTheWoods]

This will end badly, if betas have no reason to be productive and become wage slaves, society will collapse.

[Johnnyvee]

(11-13-2018 08:05 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

This will end badly, if betas have no reason to be productive and become wage slaves, society will collapse.

Exactly what we need to reset the whole thing. Format C: ivilization

[catoblepa]

(11-13-2018 07:46 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  

(11-13-2018 07:36 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Who cares? It's not like any of us are in this category nor does it affect us negatively. More pussy for us.

Things like clean drinking water, vaccines for pandemic diseases, reliable electricity, and modern telecommunications all come from beta males trying to get women, get laid, and get families.

Reminds of KT Tatara saying that everything has been invented by some nerdy ass dude trying to get laid but I can't find that video anymore.

[DarkTriad]

(11-13-2018 06:59 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

There's a whole slew of these studies showing the same thing, here's one from UK saying 1 in 8 millenials are virgins at 26 years old (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05...virgins/). That's crazy and we all know it's mostly men. That's 15% by the way and might be as much as 20-25% of all millenial men.

I also read a similar study from a different nordic country, which found similar things, something like 20% of 23 year olds were virgins and once again, men might be 25-30%.

There's just no debating that the red pill is true, we've officially reverted large scale to harem behavior, only broken up by a 10 year period, in which women get married, have kids and divorce some hapless high IQ beta.

I'm also sure if you overlaid these graphs with the rise in support for right wing politics and (inflation adjusted) housing prices, then they'd overlap perfectly. Men will endure much with just a house to call home and a loving woman. Take away those two and you'll see some anger.

It is so easy to fall off the track, and so hard to get back on it.

[Barney]

Men have made themselves invisible to women with a diet of porn and video games, but most of those guys were invisible to begin.

When your typical woman in 2018 can fuck a dozen hunks a week, most men don't stand a chance.

Porn is a symptom of the problem.

[Hombre]

Sexually active is “at least two sexual partners in the last year.” Wow.

[Flux]

It could also be that as women know they're sexual commodities, they hold out for better. These girls in 1999 probably still had hope of forming families, and thus slept with more provider/beta types, hence the 50% of young dudes getting laid. The girls slept with them hoping they would wife them up.

Now girls don't want that. At 18-24 much fewer want to have families, and instead sleep around only for the fun of it, resulting in only the handsome guys their age getting laid.

Women used to fuck for the future, now they fuck for the present, because they will not only have a way to make an income, but perhaps also because they see no point at all in having children.

Hedonism not hypergamy, because the latter implies she has a vision for the future, which these girls do not. They have no idea about the wall, or maybe they do, but choose to ignore it.

If they don't wish to have children, what good does banging Mr. Stud do? They know they can't keep him... I know that for a fact: they never even hope to.
It's not their natures, it's the present stage of society.

Women have not become overambitious in 20 years, they've become hopeless for the future, turned to hedonism. You can also say they've become masculinized because of careerism, and choose to, like men, fuck only the attractive people.

Porn is also a factor, but a much lesser one.

[Kid Twist]

(11-13-2018 08:03 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  

Women do the selecting for the most part, and they only want the good genes.

Interesting post, but it lacks many, many details.

Essentially you are saying women making the choice is a good thing. I'd say, look around today. Being part of the choice but heavily steered is far more accurate explanation of modern civilization. You act as if males also don't know what other males are good mates or good stock genetically (for their daughters).

Even in the "neanderthal" days the "good genes" won for far more reasons, simple and complex, than women "choosing."

Remember, empires in decline have women making many choices.

Yes, the Fate of Empires.

[CRR]

DOBA

Spot on as always.

I remember those days. You had to know someone who hid porn in their house somewhere and could only watch it in the VCR on low levels at 2:30 am. And yes, I remember masturbation being shamed when I was a teenager. Guys would only grudgingly admit they jerked off.

Indeed, hypergamy plays a big role, especially in women's unrealistic expectations in finding a husband. Before they started looking in their 20s, now they expect a perfect man to fall in their lap ten years and thirty pounds later. But the flip side to that is indeed the proliferation of porn.

[Flux]

(11-13-2018 10:56 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

(11-13-2018 08:03 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  

Women do the selecting for the most part, and they only want the good genes.

Interesting post, but it lacks many, many details.

Essentially you are saying women making the choice is a good thing. I'd say, look around today. Being part of the choice but heavily steered is far more accurate explanation of modern civilization. You act as if males also don't know what other males are good mates or good stock genetically (for their daughters).

Even in the "neanderthal" days the "good genes" won for far more reasons, simple and complex, than women "choosing."

Remember, empires in decline have women making many choices.

Yes, the Fate of Empires.

But this is not about women's nature being bad, because it helped us survive for 100,000+ years before there was civilization. A woman's nature isn't inherently bad, it actually fits a man's perfectly.

We have a society that is near collapse, but we are still perfect biological beings that have everything needed to survive and thrive. A society's cycle of life and death might be what's simply needed to keep things fresh, and might not be preventable beyond a stage.

This hypergamy theory has us viewing women as bad, when they are the opposite, and simply a product of their environment--their nature isn't bad, it's actually beautiful if properly nurtured.

Women are beautifully framed mirrors (some more than others), that reflect what's around them. They turn the strength of men into beauty and good, and their weakness into evil and degeneracy.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(11-14-2018 12:05 AM)CRR Wrote:  

DOBA

Spot on as always.

I remember those days. You had to know someone who hid porn in their house somewhere and could only watch it in the VCR on low levels at 2:30 am. And yes, I remember masturbation being shamed when I was a teenager. Guys would only grudgingly admit they jerked off.

Indeed, hypergamy plays a big role, especially in women's unrealistic expectations in finding a husband. Before they started looking in their 20s, now they expect a perfect man to fall in their lap ten years and thirty pounds later. But the flip side to that is indeed the proliferation of porn.

Thanks. And I LOL'd at your memory.

My entire exposure to porn as a teenager* came in the form of a magazine I got on a school bus in ninth grade. Some kids were passing it around and I kept it. It was called "Gallery" and it had photos of the girlfriends and wives of readers.

I hid it from my folks by stashing it under my lowest desk drawer. In other words, to find it you had to pull the drawer entirely OUT of the desk. This is a great way to hide things, by the way.

So when I finally started to get girls naked in my presence, I savored that because I'd rarely been exposed (heh) to it. I've written about it on here before. My parents would go away and I'd convince my g/f to hang out naked and be in heaven.

Couldn't imagine what it's like to grow up now with 50 zillion examples of sex at your fingertips 24/7. As I wrote, that could possibly take the edge off the old hunting instinct.

If you were able to satisfy your hunger through your computer screen, why would you bother going to the store for food? Especially if the store in question had entitled employees who gave you shit and the food looked crappier than what you saw on your screen?

And why has no one in the lamestream media posed that question?

* Hard to believe, but I mean this literally. I'd seen Playboy as a kid over my friends' houses in New York, but we moved to the 'burbs in Maryland when I was 12 and there were no dirty mags in the stores at that time. It was the Moral Majority era, for better or worse.