[Mentavious]

I would of thought the opposite. From my experience, Finland is one of the easiest European countries to get laid.

[oilbreh]

This was a pretty dark read. The worst trap I see guys falling into is thinking some material things will bring them attraction. Think its all part of the plan to keep market up, turn guys into consumers too. Know several single guys my age that got brand new pick up trucks even though they 100% dont need them. Long commutes, dont live in country and have nothing to even haul. Heard before on the radio that apparently that's the type of car girls find guys most attractive in. Bullshit in grand scheme but looks like it got some guys to get a 40-50k loan. So much for betas locking up their toolboxes and leaving.
Gotta fight demoralization, otherwise you are playing into their hand.

[Aurini]

(11-15-2018 06:42 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  

I think Narcissism is a bad term to be honest. Your offspring are after all the the extension off yourself. So if you see yourself in your children, and you do everything you can to insure they are successful, (same with grandchildren) you can in fact be described as a narcissist! Since you are making sure the only part of you that can survive and thrive, does just that.

My point is that this term, and other terms like manipulation, empathy etc. are all value neutral terms, unless you inject some ad-hoc objective morals. This tends to boil down to either religious or ideologically derived narratives.

I reality, not investing all in your offspring, unless you have a plan to maintain the soma (biological immortality) is self destructive. You are eradicating your primordial germ line, which is really what matters. The soma is after all just a shell to protect what is really alive, which is the sperm and egg cells. (Unless you can find a way extend the soma indefinitely as I mentioned.)

No, it's not. Narcissism has a very specific definition.

The clinical narcissist is a black hole of self-loathing, who compensates by creating an artificial persona; for him to believe in this persona, others must believe in it, so he spends all of his time being grandiose and promising people the world so that they'll follow him in his cult of personality. Should you spot his promises for the lies they are, and confront him - the shell gets momentarily ripped away, and the nihilistic violence of the black hole where his soul ought to be is unleashed on you.

Expose a narcissist to himself, and he will do everything in his power to murder you. Failing that, he'll create a new persona (often with little to no relation to his prior persona) and will begin recruiting a new group of followers.

That's the clinical narcissist; what we're seeing culture-wide is the affected narcissist. Social media creates a situation similar to the narcissist, where one's persona - their social media profile - can easily be constructed however one might want. When this persona diverges too far from the core personality (such as sexy instagram thots with expensive cars, who managed to take those pictures by letting sheiks shit in their mouths) you induce narcsissism into the individual. It's not irrevocable, but it's the sort of thing that takes years of therapy to cure, and nobody's trying to get better.

Somebody else on here said that tinder was a spyglass, not a window - exactly! We spy on the constructed personalities of others, while hiding ourselves from them, and we wonder why intimacy becomes impossible. Nearly everybody is larping these days, and they wonder why nothing gets done.

[MongolianAbroad]

(11-15-2018 10:50 AM)TutorGuina Wrote:  

Some questions:
-How much game did you usually need to close the deal? A guy that looked like GI Joe but with a typical introverted personality would still be able to score with average and above chicks consistently? Were there guys like this in your circle or they were mostly typical Chads?

-How does age affect the results? I assume you and your friends ranged from early twenties to mid thirties? Older guys would probably have to rely more on money, game and prospect for niches I guess. If you have aged since that time how did it affect you?

-Where was your location at the time? If you have travelled abroad how did it affect your strategy and results?

I know the forum has already discussed these kinds of things but real life experiences and stories is something I value much more than just theory

Sent a PM.

[Paracelsus]

(11-15-2018 06:42 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  

I think Narcissism is a bad term to be honest. Your offspring are after all the the extension off yourself. So if you see yourself in your children, and you do everything you can to insure they are successful, (same with grandchildren) you can in fact be described as a narcissist! Since you are making sure the only part of you that can survive and thrive, does just that.

Describing your offspring as an extension of yourself is exactly the problem. It reveals how you see the world: yourself as main character, everyone else as background or just an extension of you. Which is fine if all you care about is you. After all, why worry about the supporting cast? They're not the protagonists. They don't have lives as real and authentic and feeling as yours.

When everyone in your society thinks that way, though, you have a serious problem. Also see: why libertarianism as practiced today is no more authentic to early-American settlerism than communists today are ever going to be able to replicate good old functional Marxism or even Stalinism.

Let's be clear about something: you do not survive and thrive when your children live on. You are not your children. At best you're 50% of them, and then it's at a DNA level, which is not determinative. You don't survive death, at best you go on to something else. Someone who believes they're going to "live on through their children" has something wrong with them: it's only children who say their parents live on in them after they're dead.

[[email protected]]

(11-15-2018 10:28 PM)oilbreh Wrote:  

This was a pretty dark read. The worst trap I see guys falling into is thinking some material things will bring them attraction. Think its all part of the plan to keep market up, turn guys into consumers too. Know several single guys my age that got brand new pick up trucks even though they 100% dont need them. Long commutes, dont live in country and have nothing to even haul. Heard before on the radio that apparently that's the type of car girls find guys most attractive in. Bullshit in grand scheme but looks like it got some guys to get a 40-50k loan. So much for betas locking up their toolboxes and leaving.
Gotta fight demoralization, otherwise you are playing into their hand.

This is basically akin to the male grooming behavior in the mouse utopia experiment. It's logical, it does give a slight boost to a man's SMV if he projects wealth but in 2018 money is cheap and awe that comes from looking at a shiny car is fleeting.

On 4chan /biz I hear this meme quite often, "it's easier to become a millionaire than get a gf." I always thought it was stupid hyperbole until I looked around and realise that a lot of guys my age (35+) are literal millionaires trying to leverage their money to get pussy but are coming to the realisation they can't get a LTR, not even sex unless it's a post-wall single mother. The memes are becoming too real and I can't even.

[Sam2]

NON-MARRIED MEN FOR 100 NON-MARRIED WOMEN IN FINLAND
AGE GROUP: 20-39:





Its a complete sausagefest with non-married 20-39 year old's in Finland. Helsinki is the only town where there is more women(100) men(99) in that group. Whole country its 118 men vs 100 women. AND 40+ men (and foreign love tourists ) compete for those women also.

It's probably even lot worse if you would look only single people. Maybe around 200-100.

[Barney]

There's nothing more eye opening than watching women of all ages, races, socioeconomic backgrounds, cultures, and political mindsets gush over alpha males. Sorry but they're all "like that".

[speculator]

If you think you are in a "bad" situation, just read this excellent article from Bezos a.k.a. Washington Post. I hate to give them clicks but this one is a piece of real journalism. On this forum we like to bitch about marriage being disadvantageous for men in the West but there are hundreds of millions of men that can't even have a simple conversation with women outside the West.

If you live in a developed country, are healthy, and have above average looks/income, stop bitching at this moment and go get you some pussy before the supply dries out. Chinese/Indian guys are getting richer by each passing day and they will be stealing your lovers/wives/sisters/mothers because of desperation. Just go to Pattaya and see yourself what are they willing to spend on average looking Russian sluts. Future is dim comrades. Brace yourselves for pussy apocalypse.

Excellent journalism from Bezos Post

[N°6]

Just read Bezo’s piece. Seems like China and India are going to raise international costs for female attention.

Worryingly a lot of his piece is already applicable to rural and rust belt areas of the West and where real estate prices are booming.

Prime example might be the former DDR.

[Paracelsus]

(11-17-2018 01:33 AM)speculator Wrote:  

If you think you are in a "bad" situation, just read this excellent article from Bezos a.k.a. Washington Post. I hate to give them clicks but this one is a piece of real journalism. On this forum we like to bitch about marriage being disadvantageous for men in the West but there are hundreds of millions of men that can't even have a simple conversation with women outside the West.

If you live in a developed country, are healthy, and have above average looks/income, stop bitching at this moment and go get you some pussy before the supply dries out. Chinese/Indian guys are getting richer by each passing day and they will be stealing your lovers/wives/sisters/mothers because of desperation. Just go to Pattaya and see yourself what are they willing to spend on average looking Russian sluts. Future is dim comrades. Brace yourselves for pussy apocalypse.

Excellent journalism from Bezos Post

Your friendly daily reminder that China's oversupply of men was entirely self-inflicted by a deep-red Communist ZPG policy which was the definition of unintended consequences and a potent demonstration of what happens when you engage in what we call naive interventionism.

Something similar is occurring in the West with the combination of feminism, abortion on demand, and the contraceptive Pill, albeit applied more subtly and letting women doom themselves.

[Trumpian]

I'm sorry but I just can't help but chuckle at the idea that fob Chinese/Indian dudes would be considered competition. I mean that's pretty funny.

[Paracelsus]

(11-17-2018 04:31 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

I'm sorry but I just can't help but chuckle at the idea that fob Chinese/Indian dudes would be considered competition. I mean that's pretty funny.

Don't know about the US maybe, but in AUS, for the Chinese in particular, the B in FOB is often a yacht. Or a 747. And the reason they've reached this place is because they have student visas or better, and usually a shitload of Daddy's money that he'd like to hide from the Party in ROC.

Sure, money isn't the same as game, but if you're loaded with shit, it's going to attract a lot of flies.

Indians, though? Different story. Even fucking hookers won't see them, every second ad has a condition "No Africans or Indians".

[Shemp]

Nothing unprecedented about huge surpluses of young males. Same situation in the American west in the 19th century, Argentina early part of 20th century, military bases and mining camps everywhere, etc. What you get is lots of prostitution. If the governments restrict prostitution, then you get lots of rape. No pussy apocalypse when men share women, as they do with prostitution. Men can also share women, without prostitution, by passing around sluts: it's not your girl, it's just your turn. Best thing about shortage of girls in India is it guarantees plummeting population at some point. If you don't think India needs a plummeting population, and soon, I just throw up my hands.

[redpillage]

(11-17-2018 01:33 AM)speculator Wrote:  

If you think you are in a "bad" situation, just read this excellent article from Bezos a.k.a. Washington Post. I hate to give them clicks but this one is a piece of real journalism. On this forum we like to bitch about marriage being disadvantageous for men in the West but there are hundreds of millions of men that can't even have a simple conversation with women outside the West.

If you live in a developed country, are healthy, and have above average looks/income, stop bitching at this moment and go get you some pussy before the supply dries out. Chinese/Indian guys are getting richer by each passing day and they will be stealing your lovers/wives/sisters/mothers because of desperation. Just go to Pattaya and see yourself what are they willing to spend on average looking Russian sluts. Future is dim comrades. Brace yourselves for pussy apocalypse.

Excellent journalism from Bezos Post

I don't get it. 34 Million more men in a population of 1.4 Billion. That's basically 2.4% more, which is completely natural given that historically 106 boys vs. 100 girls are born.

But okay I bite, let's say there's a growing problem. They only have themselves to blame! What did their parents think would happen by preferring boys to girls? It's bloody stupid to do that and the Chinese as a whole are supposed to be among the smartest people on the planet. At the same time they seem selfish and lacking common sense and long term planning, so perhaps they can start a big club together with the Germans and the rest of Northern Europe.

[Sam2]

(11-17-2018 01:16 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

I don't get it. 34 Million more men in a population of 1.4 Billion. That's basically 2.4% more, which is completely natural given that historically 106 boys vs. 100 girls are born.

In China 115 boys are born vs 100 girls.

So it's very unnatural when women live longer. In younger ages the ratio is a lot worse. In 15-24 year old's China has 14% more men than women. If 80% of them would marry each other it would mean that in the remaining group the would be 70% more men.

USA is at 97 men, UK 99 vs 100 women.

[redpillage]

(11-17-2018 05:53 PM)Sam2 Wrote:  

In China 115 boys are born vs 100 girls.

So it's very unnatural when women live longer. In younger ages the ratio is a lot worse. In 15-24 year old's China has 14% more men than women. If 80% of them would marry each other it would mean that in the remaining group the would be 70% more men.

USA is at 97 men, UK 99 vs 100 women.

And they're STILL get to be entitled bitches, we're obviously fucking this up big time.

[Sam2]

(11-17-2018 06:17 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 05:53 PM)Sam2 Wrote:  

In China 115 boys are born vs 100 girls.

So it's very unnatural when women live longer. In younger ages the ratio is a lot worse. In 15-24 year old's China has 14% more men than women. If 80% of them would marry each other it would mean that in the remaining group the would be 70% more men.

USA is at 97 men, UK 99 vs 100 women.

And they're STILL get to be entitled bitches, we're obviously fucking this up big time.

Well, there must be 20 men competing for every women 7 or higher.

[Kid Twist]

Is that your guess, about 5 women out of 100 in the west are 7+?

[BaatumMania]

(11-17-2018 08:35 PM)Sam2 Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 06:17 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 05:53 PM)Sam2 Wrote:  

In China 115 boys are born vs 100 girls.

So it's very unnatural when women live longer. In younger ages the ratio is a lot worse. In 15-24 year old's China has 14% more men than women. If 80% of them would marry each other it would mean that in the remaining group the would be 70% more men.

USA is at 97 men, UK 99 vs 100 women.

And they're STILL get to be entitled bitches, we're obviously fucking this up big time.

Well, there must be 20 men competing for every women 7 or higher.

Some China documentaries are saying it's 150:100 (M:F) ~ in terms of finding a marriage partner. They're not talking about casual FWBs or screwing around that is the norm in the west.


In the west it has to be 100 men for every woman 7 or higher. Have to remember every guy from age 18 - 38 (up to age 50?) wants a 18-20 year old female (but the older ones might be embarrassed to admit to it because of social shaming).

As you kind of implied - 7/10s and higher are getting rarer in the west because of obesity and aging demographics. Unless you creep around on University campuses ~ you can go weeks in public without seeing any young HBBs 7/10+.

[BossOfBosses]

(11-13-2018 03:31 PM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  

Simply put, some of the ugliest women can get sex as easily as the most handsome man.

We can talk deeper about it but there are so many post similar to this and They are all broken down into.....

Less testosterone
Higher social media presence
More competition
Incels having outlets (games, sex dolls, etc)
Feminism
Lack of masculinity
Obesity
People lying


To add to my initial statement. There are countless articles, books, studies, techniques, youtube videos, seminars, apps, even games that help men get sex from women. All a woman has to do is allow a man to have sex with her.

Two of those causes are contradictory.

How exactly is having more masculine dudes out there not going to increase competition?

[BossOfBosses]

(11-17-2018 11:32 PM)BaatumMania Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 08:35 PM)Sam2 Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 06:17 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

(11-17-2018 05:53 PM)Sam2 Wrote:  

In China 115 boys are born vs 100 girls.

So it's very unnatural when women live longer. In younger ages the ratio is a lot worse. In 15-24 year old's China has 14% more men than women. If 80% of them would marry each other it would mean that in the remaining group the would be 70% more men.

USA is at 97 men, UK 99 vs 100 women.

And they're STILL get to be entitled bitches, we're obviously fucking this up big time.

Well, there must be 20 men competing for every women 7 or higher.

Some China documentaries are saying it's 150:100 (M:F) ~ in terms of finding a marriage partner. They're not talking about casual FWBs or screwing around that is the norm in the west.


In the west it has to be 100 men for every woman 7 or higher. Have to remember every guy from age 18 - 38 (up to age 50?) wants a 18-20 year old female (but the older ones might be embarrassed to admit to it because of social shaming).

As you kind of implied - 7/10s and higher are getting rarer in the west because of obesity and aging demographics. Unless you creep around on University campuses ~ you can go weeks in public without seeing any young HBBs 7/10+.

I'm in California and I see them everywhere. Where do you live?

[Donfitz007]

(11-18-2018 10:53 AM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

(11-13-2018 03:31 PM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  

Simply put, some of the ugliest women can get sex as easily as the most handsome man.

We can talk deeper about it but there are so many post similar to this and They are all broken down into.....

Less testosterone
Higher social media presence
More competition
Incels having outlets (games, sex dolls, etc)
Feminism
Lack of masculinity
Obesity
People lying


To add to my initial statement. There are countless articles, books, studies, techniques, youtube videos, seminars, apps, even games that help men get sex from women. All a woman has to do is allow a man to have sex with her.

Two of those causes are contradictory.

How exactly is having more masculine dudes out there not going to increase competition?

I Literally said " there are so many post similar to this and They are all broken down into....."

Meaning there are multiple posts with MULTIPLE OPINIONS, but each post usually has the following opinions in them. Not all the opinions, not the opinions that are true, not the opinions that are false, just the most repetitive ones.

[BossOfBosses]

(11-16-2018 08:08 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 10:28 PM)oilbreh Wrote:  

This was a pretty dark read. The worst trap I see guys falling into is thinking some material things will bring them attraction. Think its all part of the plan to keep market up, turn guys into consumers too. Know several single guys my age that got brand new pick up trucks even though they 100% dont need them. Long commutes, dont live in country and have nothing to even haul. Heard before on the radio that apparently that's the type of car girls find guys most attractive in. Bullshit in grand scheme but looks like it got some guys to get a 40-50k loan. So much for betas locking up their toolboxes and leaving.
Gotta fight demoralization, otherwise you are playing into their hand.

This is basically akin to the male grooming behavior in the mouse utopia experiment. It's logical, it does give a slight boost to a man's SMV if he projects wealth but in 2018 money is cheap and awe that comes from looking at a shiny car is fleeting.

On 4chan /biz I hear this meme quite often, "it's easier to become a millionaire than get a gf." I always thought it was stupid hyperbole until I looked around and realise that a lot of guys my age (35+) are literal millionaires trying to leverage their money to get pussy but are coming to the realisation they can't get a LTR, not even sex unless it's a post-wall single mother. The memes are becoming too real and I can't even.

The boost to your SMV depends on your level of wealth and lifestyle. A guy with just a couple million is marginally attractive to women. A guy with $100 million will have to beat them off with a stick.

[loremipsum]

(11-16-2018 08:08 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 10:28 PM)oilbreh Wrote:  

This was a pretty dark read. The worst trap I see guys falling into is thinking some material things will bring them attraction. Think its all part of the plan to keep market up, turn guys into consumers too. Know several single guys my age that got brand new pick up trucks even though they 100% dont need them. Long commutes, dont live in country and have nothing to even haul. Heard before on the radio that apparently that's the type of car girls find guys most attractive in. Bullshit in grand scheme but looks like it got some guys to get a 40-50k loan. So much for betas locking up their toolboxes and leaving.
Gotta fight demoralization, otherwise you are playing into their hand.

This is basically akin to the male grooming behavior in the mouse utopia experiment. It's logical, it does give a slight boost to a man's SMV if he projects wealth but in 2018 money is cheap and awe that comes from looking at a shiny car is fleeting.

On 4chan /biz I hear this meme quite often, "it's easier to become a millionaire than get a gf." I always thought it was stupid hyperbole until I looked around and realise that a lot of guys my age (35+) are literal millionaires trying to leverage their money to get pussy but are coming to the realisation they can't get a LTR, not even sex unless it's a post-wall single mother. The memes are becoming too real and I can't even.

The system should just fall if it's honestly like that. However it makes me think if the men are just useful idiots thinking it's all money and have done nothing to improve their game.