[Gremlin]

(01-17-2019 03:57 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  

Yeah sorry but that's bullshit.

All terrorism acts here are about shooting innocent people with assault rifles you got "out of nowhere".
I don't see how that's courageous at all, in fact that's the most cowardly thing you can do - they can't fight back, if they could you wouldn't last a minute because you're a fucking piece of shit subhuman scum.

To be willing to die after it, well it's certainly good for you ! Because this is how it's going to turn out in the end anyway.
And it saves me the effort to come after you and fucking kill you myself.

So yeah, be brave and kill yourself already

Not to mention Islamic fundamentalists shield themselves with their own women and children in their neck of the woods, and call you a baby killer for engaging them in battle.

[Oberrheiner]

Leonard : Sure, there is a difference between "terrorists" and terrorists.
We should not let the MSM twist commonly accepted usage of words into what they want us to believe though.
So let's recenter the discussion a bit.

Some said terrorists were courageous for doing suicide attacks.
Obviously it's not the attack which is courageous, since they're basically shooting sitting ducks.
So it's the suicide part which is - they know they're courageous because they accept to die.

I don't know what to say, have we really come to a time in this world where offing yourself is considered courageous ?
Serious question - to me it's basically the most selfish and cowardly thing one can ever do.

Life as a man is a fight, during your whole life, and against so many things.
Suicide is just giving up, that's the easiest thing you can do, what's so courageous about it ?

And I'm not even mentioning the fact that those people are promised an orgy in heaven afterwards, and that they actually believe this shit ..

[Leonard D Neubache]

We can split hairs all day long.

If you think that gunning up and taking on a hostile invasion force resulting in your presumed death in battle is "cowardly" then you are welcome to regale me with tales of your own personal heroism that put these apparent cowards to shame.

I'm not saying that these are great people worthy of respect. I'm just sick of the english language being used on opposite-day settings. I'm sure if the MSM thought it would play then they would run stories about how a drone pilot sipping his big gulp in a military trailer somewhere in Missouri "courageously pressed F5 and launched several missiles into a funeral procession, heroically killing or at least disfiguring everyone present".

If the West had even a fraction of the balls the Arabs had then we'd have long since buried our traitors and the heroes we'd lost along the way.

[Oberrheiner]

(01-17-2019 08:35 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

If you think that gunning up and taking on a hostile invasion force resulting in your presumed death in battle is "cowardly"

I said already that 1 to me these people ("taking on a hostile invasion force") are not terrorists, and 2 that these are definitely not the terrorists we get here

I'll stay on my position that the real terrorists are cowards, and that what the MSM call terrorists is something else (as you said yourself, usually people who are simply enemies of the elite).

[Leonard D Neubache]

Yeah, you probably did. It's been a long day. I can't read properly anymore.

[Oberrheiner]

That's what I assumed

Well no worries, I had a shit day myself, I should probably log off and move on to something else entirely ..

[debeguiled]

(01-17-2019 08:35 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

We can split hairs all day long.

If you think that gunning up and taking on a hostile invasion force resulting in your presumed death in battle is "cowardly" then you are welcome to regale me with tales of your own personal heroism that put these apparent cowards to shame.

I'm not saying that these are great people worthy of respect. I'm just sick of the english language being used on opposite-day settings. I'm sure if the MSM thought it would play then they would run stories about how a drone pilot sipping his big gulp in a military trailer somewhere in Missouri "courageously pressed F5 and launched several missiles into a funeral procession, heroically killing or at least disfiguring everyone present".

If the West had even a fraction of the balls the Arabs had then we'd have long since buried our traitors and the heroes we'd lost along the way.

They don't call them cowards because they think they're cowards. They call them cowards because it's a good insult for a man and they think the jihadists care what they think.

I remember when a columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle in the late 70's made this exact point, that you can call suicide terrorists all sorts of names, but coward isn't one of them.

No real blowback, he didn't get fired. It's a pretty obvious point.

(How times have changed.)

[JWLZG]

(01-16-2019 09:02 AM)Aurini Wrote:  

Evil? Yes. But it takes balls to hijack a plane.

I don't give two shits how much you believe in your cause or your need to attain 72 virgins by grace of your primitive desert god, if you want to strike terror into your enemy, have the balls to do so against an adversary that is in a position to fight back.

There's a reason why the laws of warfare have persisted in restricting targeting civilians as long as possible. Civilised society has always defined itself as such in its conduct of honour and that extends to the way we wage war.

[Kurgan]

(01-15-2019 08:21 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

[url=https://twitter.com/billmaher/status/1085271151998169088][/url]

Damn, Bill got triggered by that.

[The Beast1]

(01-17-2019 06:30 PM)Kurgan Wrote:  

Damn, Bill got triggered by that.

It's ironic because to be a basement dwelling incels would have to in fact, leave their basement in order to vandalize a billboard like that.

[The Catalyst]

I agree that actually doing the terrorist attacks is on some level less cowardly than not doing them(for obvious reasons). I can't come to the conclusion that Muslims are less cowardly than Westerners though. I expect most terrorists are those who have "sinned" so much and they're scared and are doing this for redemption. So they aren't actually facing their fears as such but running from a bigger one.

My observation/conjecture is that Muslims are a lot more cowardly than Westerners, broadly speaking.

[Oberrheiner]

(01-17-2019 09:06 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

I expect most terrorists are those who have "sinned" so much and they're scared and are doing this for redemption.

Many have said so before doing their terror acts, yes.

However if you are 100% totally and utterly convinced that you can leave your hell-on-earth life behind and enter paradise and eternal bliss when you die, is the act of killing yourself really courageous then ?

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(01-17-2019 05:51 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  

There's a reason why the laws of warfare have persisted in restricting targeting civilians as long as possible. Civilised society has always defined itself as such in its conduct of honour and that extends to the way we wage war.

Actually, restrictions on targeting civilians have been nothing but an insignificant blip during humanity's long history of conflict. Indiscriminate total war with unrestricted brutality towards civilians has been the prevailing rule during most of recorded history.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(01-18-2019 05:07 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 09:06 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

I expect most terrorists are those who have "sinned" so much and they're scared and are doing this for redemption.

Many have said so before doing their terror acts, yes.

However if you are 100% totally and utterly convinced that you can leave your hell-on-earth life behind and enter paradise and eternal bliss when you die, is the act of killing yourself really courageous then ?

If it were that simple then all the Christians killed by them should be equally unfazed.

Virtually all humans have an innate fear of death and the pain that usually precedes it. It's a survival mechanism written into us on a biological level.

[RWIsrael]

(01-18-2019 05:15 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 05:51 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  

There's a reason why the laws of warfare have persisted in restricting targeting civilians as long as possible. Civilised society has always defined itself as such in its conduct of honour and that extends to the way we wage war.

Actually, restrictions on targeting civilians have been nothing but an insignificant blip during humanity's long history of conflict. Indiscriminate total war with unrestricted brutality towards civilians has been the prevailing rule during most of recorded history.

So has demonizing and belittling your enemies to keep your morale high (ie calling them cowards, evil, barbarians, slap-a-jap etc.)
I think the worst mistake you can make is to underestimate a determined enemy, but propaganda and presenting the enemy as fallible or contemptible to the masses is par for the course.

Anti-Westerners love to squeal about "cowardly Americans use drone attacks from 10,000 miles away", but every single time Americans have boots on the ground they bring the fight to the enemy. Afghanistan, Iraq, Mogadishu included.

Drone attacks are more a matter of convenience and efficiency than lacking the balls to put men on the ground and fight.

We should also differentiate between a person's individual courage on the battlefield (whichever "side" they are on) and a nation / group's resolve to accept losses and continue fighting for their interests.

Stabbing women and mowing down children rather than engaging combatants is still cowardly in my opinion.

[Oberrheiner]

(01-18-2019 05:53 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

If it were that simple then all the Christians killed by them should be equally unfazed.

Well it certainly is my belief that once they were killed they just cannot be fazed anymore

But yes you are right, and I always find it impressive when people's will allow them to override their biological urges.
Not really for the kind of terrorists we get, who usually take drugs before acting and then get huge remorse during the comedown phase, but I once saw a video of a buddhist monk setting himself on fire and staying still the whole time until he fell dead .. no panic, no screaming, no nothing - it felt absolutely unreal that someone who have such mastery of his mind down to the reptilian level.

[Aurini]

(01-17-2019 05:51 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  

(01-16-2019 09:02 AM)Aurini Wrote:  

Evil? Yes. But it takes balls to hijack a plane.

I don't give two shits how much you believe in your cause or your need to attain 72 virgins by grace of your primitive desert god, if you want to strike terror into your enemy, have the balls to do so against an adversary that is in a position to fight back.

There's a reason why the laws of warfare have persisted in restricting targeting civilians as long as possible. Civilised society has always defined itself as such in its conduct of honour and that extends to the way we wage war.

Calm down, bud. Remember that I was an infantryman from '01 to '07. To paraphrase Sun Tzu, it's important that you know the enemy as well as you know yourself.

Take the roadside bombings that we're dealing with over there. Easy to call that cowardly - I don't consider mines to be an honourable weapon, period. But does calling the enemy 'cowards' benefit my understanding in any way? Or just soothe my emotions? Let's say it were I in the guerrilla force: would I be having stand-up fights with the most technologically advanced military on the planet? Or would I be using subversion and distraction just like they are?

I'll be the first to criticize them as adherents to an evil ideology (that said, I'm don't think the neocons are a bunch of saints, either); but I never once deluded myself that I was training to fight weak, cowardly, losers. The men I was opposed to were tenacious and ballsy. In some ways, they were the best men their society had to offer. And it was my job to kill them.

Dehumanizing your enemy is a great way to get PTSD and become overconfident. Evil, sneaky, dishonourable - sure. But you don't think it takes balls to do what they're doing?

Think about the origin of the NPC meme: it's where you're programmed with an opinion by the MSM, and you react emotionally to anybody who disagrees with it. Are you sure you're not doing that right now?

[The Catalyst]

(01-18-2019 05:53 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 05:07 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 09:06 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

I expect most terrorists are those who have "sinned" so much and they're scared and are doing this for redemption.

Many have said so before doing their terror acts, yes.

However if you are 100% totally and utterly convinced that you can leave your hell-on-earth life behind and enter paradise and eternal bliss when you die, is the act of killing yourself really courageous then ?

If it were that simple then all the Christians killed by them should be equally unfazed.

Virtually all humans have an innate fear of death and the pain that usually precedes it. It's a survival mechanism written into us on a biological level.

Think the explanation is that Christians are just less mentally ill. And the inbreeding of Arabs means that family members are very close genetically, so the don't feel the pain of death as much(think of it as genetic survival- if anyone else who wasn't so inbred were to die it would be the death of their genes). That explains the "take out their families" as an anti-terrorism strategy.

I've read that often the scummier Arabs break down easily under pressure of torture or being beaten up or under perceived adversity, which makes more sense under the cowardly framework than the courageous one.

[911]

(01-16-2019 09:02 AM)Aurini Wrote:  

(01-16-2019 01:30 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

>Literally deface a public billboard.
>Get called a basement dweller.

It reminds me of all those suicide attacks that the MSM kept labeling "cowardly".

I was rabidly anti-Islam at the time and even then I had to stop and say...

I remember pointing that out at the time.

Evil? Yes. But it takes balls to hijack a plane.

No planes were hijacked on 9/11/2001.

[Kurgan]

In going back to this great meme, it's nice to see conservatives be funny for once with the NPC meme because it shows memes have more influence than smug late-night talk show hosts and comedy political shows.

Liberals used to be the dominant force in comedy during the W. Bush and Obama era with John Stewart, Stephen Colbert and other talk show hosts that would make fun of conservatives and bring people to their side.

To be fair, some of the loudest voices in conservatives at that time were theocrats who did endless Reagan worship and say things that make people cringe and show out of touch they are.

Then Pepe, Skrillex and a host of memes happened as and it had no theocratic influence and made conservatives funny and making fun of liberals for once.

The NPC meme shows how much the left are robotic with the common phrases like "literally shaking, Trump" and it shows the left they don't have humor, they're just smug douches.

The fact that Twitter tried to have the meme banned shows something, the Left has been called out and they aren't seen as funny anymore except for those who already like their politics.

FWIW, I've noticed a lot of NPC moments even before the meme came out, but I saw it in other areas besides politics. I've been noticing it since I was about 20.

The Left can have their smug talk show hosts, but the Right has the power of the meme.

[vanishing_point]

The meme actually had a lot of help (directly or indirectly) from those who oppose it.

[66Scorpio]

Right wing comedy seems to be more of the trolling/triggering kind. Reagan was an exception as he had some amazing zingers that didn't get personal. Ann Coulter sort of defines the genre with her semi-serious, take no prisoners brand of writing. Steven Crowder is a newer example. His stand up is actually rather weak but his political analysis and late-night-style tube channel are pretty damn funny. Again, it is semi-serious and he can change gears on a dime from outright mockery to lighthearted ribbing to respectful engagement. That's a more general comment about the difference between what right wingers and leftists find funny.

As far as the NPC thing is concerned, two things seem obvious: Charlie don't surf, and commies can't meme. The NPC meme is beautifully self fulfilling when a million leftists scream in unison "I am a unique human being!"

[vanishing_point]

Commies don't dance & the left don't rock & roll.

[budoslavic]

[budoslavic]