[NapoleonDynamighty]

Hi all,

I am currently in Germany and this is no country for a man of colour. You can’t roll in solo in any club if you don’t know the door guy or are walking in with a bunch of your local friends. I will drop a detailed sheet about this place at some point but a lack of western black dudes and the refugee situation has led this place to be a tough grind. Mainstream German girls outside of backpacking types won’t waste a second if you are not blonde blue eyed rolling with Rolex and branded shirts.

I am looking to relocate and it is possible for me to find decent jobs in the above mentioned Scandinavian capitals. However after dealing with the cold german society which is passively racist in most walks of life I wanna choose better. So despite the refugee situation in Europe what is the scene and reception there in Scandinavia in 2018 when it comes to social value, acceptance and game?

How would you rate the pros and cons of each city to live for a young ambitious British dude? Which city would you choose and why

[weallbang5s]

I'm in Oslo now, but don't come here for women. Haven't seen a single interracial couple. Unless Pakistani and Somali chicks do the job for you. I haven't actually seen any black guys over the last 3 days, only a black girl.

Edit: I did see 2 Somali guys getting into a fight with 2 bouncers, cos they didn't let them in, that's all.

[OCZ]

Hello man.
I live in Stockholm and I am latino myself and if you are a black guy and dress well you will probably do't have issues, still as you said before the refugee situation fucked thigns a little bit for blacks and arabs. Here people are not as racist as in Germany or Norway from my own experience. Swedish girls are still open to talk guys who aren't white, but take in my mind that in order for this to happen we need to dress well (I don't mean designes stuff, but shirts and jeans). Society here is pretty damn cold and well entering a swedish social circle takes a lot of time and effort and everything is planned in advance. (People here are not spontaneous).

People here also change a lot with the seasons, that is why scandinavian winters are so fucking terrible. People close their social circles and not too much social acitvity with people outside of their close circle. On the other hand, the summer is amazing. Gaming during the summer here is a children´s game and there are lot of tons ot things to do.

Working envirnoment is pretty chill here, lots of coffee breaks and lots of group activites. Overtime is something rare and the salaries are good. Still, Stockholm living expenses are high. Despite this, Stockholm as a whole is amazing and the women quality is quite high and if you have good game and dress decent you will get a good notch count. I will not change Stockholm, once you dominate the language everything here is worth the shot. Dating a very good looking swedish girl for a while right now, so interracial couples do exist here I guess.

[No More Mr. Soy Boy]

I would approve the message above about Stockholm with the exception that Stockholm is not amazing at all (unless you like living next to mindless sheeps and hipsters) and love making bad deals on a daily basis where you pay way more for stuff than they should cost.

It is a super expensive city and the housing prices are a real joke. The price for a shitty small apartment in the suburb ghetto in Stockholm (yes, Stockholm have shit holes) can give you a bigger and nicer place near the center of Copenhagen or Helsinki.

But I will tell you, I actually spoke about this with my friends... I was out about two weeks ago in the night life in Stockholm, and holy fuck have I never seen more black guys with white women as I did on that night. There was more interracial couples out than I've ever seen anywhere else. I saw this rumour online too about some black guy that fucked over 10 girls in 2 weeks last month too (but I can't verify of course).

Since you're a foreigner and black you'll probably have a decent chance to live on welfare and have the system pay pretty much everything for you as well. Swedes are scared to death to be seen as a racist and they love to show up minority friends since it raises their own social status and make them look good since they're so "good" and this whole bullshit. If you learn how to handle these fake people you could probably do all right.

Copenhagen is also very expensive. Far uglier women than in Sweden on average (and that has been the opinion of pretty much every guy I've ever met who have been in both places). But it's slightly cheaper and the housing prices are definitely a lot cheaper. Danes are also pretty politically correct (even though significantly less than Swedes) and the weather and the winter is not as bad as in the other cities you mentioned and it's pretty easy to just go on a weekend trip to Amsterdam, Paris or London as well.

As far as Oslo goes I don't know. I just know it's way smaller than the other cities. Helsinki seems ok in comparison, might be the best choice.

There is probably a way you could take advantage of the Swedish system like everyone else, so look into that. If you can solve that and also find a nice play to stay without having to pay shit ton of money to stay in a crappy place, it might be for you.

One thing I like about the Scandinavian people though is that they're usually honest. They can be two faced in the sense that everyone wants to be politically correct and say the "right" thing and then try to backstab you with passive aggression but they usually have some morality that is rare in other places. As I've travelled in the world, I've seen too many corrupt shit holes where people lack almost any sort of moral boundaries. It's not the Swedes you have to watch your back for in Sweden, it's all the gipsies and people from the 3rd world.

[OCZ]

(09-24-2018 08:15 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

It is a super expensive city and the housing prices are a real joke. The price for a shitty small apartment in the suburb ghetto in Stockholm (yes, Stockholm have shit holes) can give you a bigger and nicer place near the center of Copenhagen or Helsinki.

I agree with you man, the property prieces here are quite high. I will not really say the suburbs are that bad. Yes they are shitty, but not as bas as you will say for example the ones you see from Luton to London. If you move well you will find something decent realtively close to the city.

(09-24-2018 08:15 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

But I will tell you, I actually spoke about this with my friends... I was out about two weeks ago in the night life in Stockholm, and holy fuck have I never seen more black guys with white women as I did on that night. There was more interracial couples out than I've ever seen anywhere else. I saw this rumour online too about some black guy that fucked over 10 girls in 2 weeks last month too (but I can't verify of course).

This is true, as I said before swedish comen are still quite open to date/fuck foreign guys as long as you play your cards well. It also depends which kind of veneus you as it varies a lot. I have been planning updating my Stockholm data sheet on this.

(09-24-2018 08:15 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

Since you're a foreigner and black you'll probably have a decent chance to live on welfare and have the system pay pretty much everything for you as well. Swedes are scared to death to be seen as a racist and they love to show up minority friends since it raises their own social status and make them look good since they're so "good" and this whole bullshit. If you learn how to handle these fake people you could probably do all right.

This was true a couple of years before, not now. Swedes are picky with their social circles and there are enough minority friends who are already swedish to bother adding more. Speaking the language will open this door and investing time on building circles, it is hard.

Copenhagen is more easy going than Stockholm for sure, but true the girls are uglier in average. Cheaper and no system bologet to buy booze.

Oslo and Helsinki I will say are not as open to foreigns like Stockholm and Copenhagen. They are also very small. Oslo is by far the most expensive of them all in all the senses, but it matches with the Norwegian salaries. Helsinki I haven't been that much, but finnish girls are as easy as swedish.

(09-24-2018 08:15 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

It's not the Swedes you have to watch your back for in Sweden, it's all the gipsies and people from the 3rd world.

This is true as fuck.

[PassMyRobe]

Fellow black dude here. I've recently spent time in all the cities you listed, and I would say go with Copenhagen or Stockholm. Helsinki and Oslo are more like big towns, you'd easily get bored in those two. Oslo has plenty of nature, but not much else. Not to mention the cost of living there is insane, you will quickly go broke without a high paying job. Helsinki is like a cheaper Oslo without the nature. Cph and Stockholm are proper cities with a good amount of stuff to keep you occupied.

As far as women, you will do well in any of those cities. Only speaking as a black guy, but I've had zero trouble getting consistent dates, ONS, and everything in-between in all of those spots. If you're decent looking, in good shape , and dress well, pulling wont be an issue at all. I noticed it was a bit easier to get ONS in Helsinki and Oslo, as they're somewhat like Iceland with little to no stigma around ONS. If a girl is interested in you, she will usually be open to going home that night. At least thats been my experience (I literally had two girls arguing over who would take me home one night in Helsinki). As like anywhere else, 9's and 10's will be more work, but definitely not out of the question. In any case, there will be a steady stream of 5-8's giving you plenty of attention. Looks wise, those cities are all pretty similar with the exception of Helsinki, I saw noticeably less quality during my time there. If i had to rank by the quality, I would say Oslo, Copenhagen, Stockholm, all pretty close in that order, Helsinki a distant fourth.

Just wanted to share some quick thoughts. Hope this helps any.

[kadenz]

(09-24-2018 03:22 AM)NapoleonDynamighty Wrote:  

Hi all,

I am currently in Germany and this is no country for a man of colour. You can’t roll in solo in any club if you don’t know the door guy or are walking in with a bunch of your local friends. I will drop a detailed sheet about this place at some point but a lack of western black dudes and the refugee situation has led this place to be a tough grind. Mainstream German girls outside of backpacking types won’t waste a second if you are not blonde blue eyed rolling with Rolex and branded shirts.

I am looking to relocate and it is possible for me to find decent jobs in the above mentioned Scandinavian capitals. However after dealing with the cold german society which is passively racist in most walks of life I wanna choose better. So despite the refugee situation in Europe what is the scene and reception there in Scandinavia in 2018 when it comes to social value, acceptance and game?

How would you rate the pros and cons of each city to live for a young ambitious British dude? Which city would you choose and why

With 2018 coming to a close have you made a decision on were you will relocate? Also that data sheet on Germany would be interesting, which part were you in? Others on the forum have been saying similar things about Germany being hard for darker guys, maybe the refugee crisis really did fuck a lot of things up. I'm still sort of optimistic though.

[kadenz]

(12-13-2018 01:17 AM)PassMyRobe Wrote:  

Fellow black dude here. I've recently spent time in all the cities you listed, and I would say go with Copenhagen or Stockholm. Helsinki and Oslo are more like big towns, you'd easily get bored in those two. Oslo has plenty of nature, but not much else. Not to mention the cost of living there is insane, you will quickly go broke without a high paying job. Helsinki is like a cheaper Oslo without the nature. Cph and Stockholm are proper cities with a good amount of stuff to keep you occupied.

As far as women, you will do well in any of those cities. Only speaking as a black guy, but I've had zero trouble getting consistent dates, ONS, and everything in-between in all of those spots. If you're decent looking, in good shape , and dress well, pulling wont be an issue at all. I noticed it was a bit easier to get ONS in Helsinki and Oslo, as they're somewhat like Iceland with little to no stigma around ONS. If a girl is interested in you, she will usually be open to going home that night. At least thats been my experience (I literally had two girls arguing over who would take me home one night in Helsinki). As like anywhere else, 9's and 10's will be more work, but definitely not out of the question. In any case, there will be a steady stream of 5-8's giving you plenty of attention. Looks wise, those cities are all pretty similar with the exception of Helsinki, I saw noticeably less quality during my time there. If i had to rank by the quality, I would say Oslo, Copenhagen, Stockholm, all pretty close in that order, Helsinki a distant fourth.

Just wanted to share some quick thoughts. Hope this helps any.

Happy first post after so long and I'm surprised you put Stockholm in 3rd place I always heard Sweden had the hottest Scandinavian girls. One dynamic I find interesting about Scandinavia is that they spend the ages 19 (or 16 if they don't do gymnasium)-early 20s not in school because a lot of them just take years after after they graduate their form of highschool to just work and travel and things like that. And if they do go to university a lot of them start in like mid 20s, average age of university graduation their is about 28 I think. So how does the fact that a large amount of girls let's say ages 19-early 20s (usual college years in america for example) aren't in school? How does it change the gaming dynamics out there? Were would you game these girls since a lot of girls those ages might not be on university campuses and campuses out there aren't like American campuses anyways.

[PassMyRobe]

(12-13-2018 06:53 PM)kadenz Wrote:  

Happy first post after so long and I'm surprised you put Stockholm in 3rd place I always heard Sweden had the hottest Scandinavian girls. One dynamic I find interesting about Scandinavia is that they spend the ages 19 (or 16 if they don't do gymnasium)-early 20s not in school because a lot of them just take years after after they graduate their form of highschool to just work and travel and things like that. And if they do go to university a lot of them start in like mid 20s, average age of university graduation their is about 28 I think. So how does the fact that a large amount of girls let's say ages 19-early 20s (usual college years in america for example) aren't in school? How does it change the gaming dynamics out there? Were would you game these girls since a lot of girls those ages might not be on university campuses and campuses out there aren't like American campuses anyways.

Thanks kadenz. Ive gotten so much useful info from this forum over the years, figured about time I give back. Interesting point you raised about the school culture over there. I find Scandinavians pretty laid back about life in general, which is part of the appeal to me to be honest (that and the beautiful women of course). I've never really given the school thing much thought because 90% of my time I tend to focus on night game where that is not much of a factor. More so than a lot of other cultures, Scandinavians tend to be more reserved and quiet during the day, and really open up and let loose at night. The transformation has been quite shocking to me at times really. That same girl who showed no interest in the coffee shop might be really friendly and talkative when you see her at the bar later. I can totally see the appeal of day game, but for me night game has been so effective that I tend to spend most of my time perfecting my technique, more or less resting up during the day for the night ahead.

Putting Stockholm 3rd is a matter of preference really. I would say that the four or five hottest girls that I saw in all of Scandinavia were in Oslo. Copenhagen probably had the most consistent sets of 7-8's walking around. I found that Stockholm was either one extreme or the other. Again, I think you can make the case for any order.

[kirdiesel]

(12-14-2018 12:49 AM)PassMyRobe Wrote:  

(12-13-2018 06:53 PM)kadenz Wrote:  

Happy first post after so long and I'm surprised you put Stockholm in 3rd place I always heard Sweden had the hottest Scandinavian girls. One dynamic I find interesting about Scandinavia is that they spend the ages 19 (or 16 if they don't do gymnasium)-early 20s not in school because a lot of them just take years after after they graduate their form of highschool to just work and travel and things like that. And if they do go to university a lot of them start in like mid 20s, average age of university graduation their is about 28 I think. So how does the fact that a large amount of girls let's say ages 19-early 20s (usual college years in america for example) aren't in school? How does it change the gaming dynamics out there? Were would you game these girls since a lot of girls those ages might not be on university campuses and campuses out there aren't like American campuses anyways.

Thanks kadenz. Ive gotten so much useful info from this forum over the years, figured about time I give back. Interesting point you raised about the school culture over there. I find Scandinavians pretty laid back about life in general, which is part of the appeal to me to be honest (that and the beautiful women of course). I've never really given the school thing much thought because 90% of my time I tend to focus on night game where that is not much of a factor. More so than a lot of other cultures, Scandinavians tend to be more reserved and quiet during the day, and really open up and let loose at night. The transformation has been quite shocking to me at times really. That same girl who showed no interest in the coffee shop might be really friendly and talkative when you see her at the bar later. I can totally see the appeal of day game, but for me night game has been so effective that I tend to spend most of my time perfecting my technique, more or less resting up during the day for the night ahead.

Putting Stockholm 3rd is a matter of preference really. I would say that the four or five hottest girls that I saw in all of Scandinavia were in Oslo. Copenhagen probably had the most consistent sets of 7-8's walking around. I found that Stockholm was either one extreme or the other. Again, I think you can make the case for any order.

EXTREMELY helpful information bro. I really appreciate you sharing as I am heavily looking at Scandinavia if or when I decide to leave Germany.

Those women looks wise are very much my type and I hope to find out if the personalities fit to me as well.

I won't mention anything about Germany in this thread as I am pretty much done talking about that.

[JWLZG]

(12-13-2018 06:44 PM)kadenz Wrote:  

[...] maybe the refugee crisis really did fuck a lot of things up. I'm still sort of optimistic though.

Probably veering too far off topic, since there's another thread focussing on this, but just in case....

I'm not black or brown, so perhaps I'm speaking from a position of privilege — FWIW am a non-white Westernised dude* — but, sorry, this does sound a bit outlandish. Are Europeans that shallow as to consider all black and brown guys to be cut from the same cloth, i.e. to shoulder them with the same rapefugee stigma? Or all non-white men, for that matter?

Even if first impressions were to be based off the street/at the club, surely the fact that the Westernised black and brown dude would dress, speak — and indeed, behave — far differently from the supposed "rapefugee" stereotype. Or does none of that matter if Europeans aren't able to see beyond skin colour?

What about Latin guys who may happen to look Indian/Middle-Eastern? Do they have to suffer the same rapefugee stigma in Northern/Central and Eastern Europe?

* If this is relevant, I'm tanned enough that, after 9/11, my Dad implied the prospect that I might be subject to retaliatory abuse, despite the fact that I'd stick out like a sore thumb in the Middle East. Go figure....
I know that there are Muslim Asians, but I haven't been mistaken for a rapefugee yet.

[jcrew247]

Have you thought about amsterdam? they seem to have a lot of jobs there and a liberal climate. For sweden, maybe malmo or gotheburg would be good places that are less conservative but not as expensive as stockholm, or copenhagen.