[sixsix]

Jesus guys, it's not that difficult.

Height is attractive, but not sufficient to get women. Being 6'4" is better than being 5'7" all else being equal, but since all else isn't equal, there's plenty short guys outpulling tall guys.

Having a great face is also beneficial, but not the cure-all. Being good looking is better than being ugly, but plenty of ugly guys outpulling good looking guys.

I have always been very, very tall. Didn't pull when I was younger because I didn't have the confidence. Then game came and I did. So being tall and good looking, my learning curve wasn't very steap (for a while, not realizing my initial potential, I thought game was going to be magic for everyone) but I still needed game to unlock my value and capitalize on it.

[Screwston]

You pretty much cant be alpha if youre short. Sorry guys.

[sixsix]

You pretty much cant be alpha if youre not rich. Sorry guys.



You pretty much cant be alpha if youre indian. Sorry guys.

[Joga Bonito]

This is such an ignorant thread lol.

[snoop]

(11-14-2012 03:11 PM)jammer Wrote:  

And there are probably 10x as many 5' 7 guys who can't get laid. Being tall isn't a guarantee to get laid, but its like playing 5 on 4 basketball with the 5' 7 guy (5' 7 guy has 4 players, you have 5). No guarantee you will win since the 5' 7 guy could be talented and outwork you, but chances are over a huge population, the 6' 2 guy is going to win more often than not.

Go in with the belief you can't win and you probably won't.

It's a lame excuse for losers.

[iknowexactly]

I have always been very, very tall. I still needed game to unlock my value and capitalize on it /QUOTE]

Reassuring to hear tall guys have to at least do SOMETHING, haha.

[DVY]

The Matrix- Morpheus "I can only show you the door, you have to walk through it."

Salesmanship motto- AIDA. Attention->Interest ->Desire->Action. Being tall/rich/handsome/unique looking gets you to step 2 or 3. But you still have to CLOSE.

[20Nation]

There is a book called Understanding sexual attraction what makes a woman want you. It puts this whole argument into perspective

[All or Nothing]

(11-17-2012 08:27 PM)DVY Wrote:  

The Matrix- Morpheus "I can only show you the door, you have to walk through it."

Salesmanship motto- AIDA. Attention->Interest ->Desire->Action. Being tall/rich/handsome/unique looking gets you to step 2 or 3. But you still have to CLOSE.

I agree man.

I will be straight up and say that being 6'1"-6'3", white, legit goodlooking in the face region, fit and dressing well as a package is a HUGE advantage in the U.S., but it ultimately means NOTHING if you are not willing to put your balls on the line.

Honestly, it is better to be the 5'6" guy who has the balls to take the girl to the bathroom and start finger banging her, getting her to suck his dick, and so on than the 6'2" guy who talks forever, but does nothing (and then goes home and masturbates).

[lush1]

This thread has been a revelation to me as I was encountering situations and reactions which are identical to some of the stuff in here. I was beginning to think that there was something deeply wrong with me but feel reassured after reading stuff by the likes of Fisto. I'm actually wondering if much of the 'game' advice doesn't apply to good looking men, if its a genre in itself..

Has anyone got any pointers for text game for good looking guys? I have been keeping my texts cold and strictly logistical, waiting a long time to reply etc. I am wondering if I should be building more comfort by text?

Some great posts on here.

[TheDealCloser]

A man can have above average looks and 0 game and still pull chicks but he will not be able to keep them. A man must have more than good aesthetics to maintain a woman's interest. Case and point. I have a very close friend that women break the necks looking at. If your girl is with you when he comes around, she will look too. No bullshit.

He has never had to develop his mouthpiece because women constantly throw the pussy at him like 97mph fastballs. This can be viewed a positive and a negative. At a young age, he used to kill it! We'd go out and he would always pull the baddest chick in the club and fuck her that night. The last time I was in the US and we went out, I shut him down. Meaning I pulled the hottest chick even though she was looking at him. I was able to keep her engaged with my GAME and good vibes. I'm an attractive guy with good GAME so although she looked at him, she didn't want to give me up.

I introduced her to him later that night but by that time, I had already sealed the deal. Ended up back her place showing her my my Richard can does for a living.

[mikado]

This is a depressing thread for all the 6 and under guys, like me.

Give me your problems please, I would love to take that burden from you.

[lush1]

Fistos input was actually on this thread on the same subject:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-13463.html

[lush1]

(12-16-2013 03:34 PM)mikado Wrote:  

This is a depressing thread for all the 6 and under guys, like me.

If anything it should be encouraging.

[Floss]

I can never tell whether a guy is good-looking or just average. It doesn't lie on a linear spectrum like with women.

Sometimes, I'll see myself in the mirror and be like, yeah look at that motherfucker right there. Look at that jaw line. God damn. Bitches with they had these eyebrows.

Other times, I'll see myself as the embodiment of the average human male. Like when you have the blank character model on old video games.

It's easy to tell if a guy is ugly. But the line between average and great is blurred in my eyes.

[Frank]

Donlak has a great post on the subject. Here it is:

http://donlak.com/2012/03/12/being-good-...successes/

I think a lot of what he says in that post applies not just to good looking men (face, body, style), but to alphas in general.

[ikkyu]

I love being short, fuck tha h8rs. I mean I'm not a midget but I'm 5'8'' and guys that height are always bitching online as if they were oompa loompas. For whatever reason chicks almost never bring up my height, I don't know if they just sense that I don't care or what but it just doesn't happen. I have a fetish for tall chicks. The hottest chick I ever banged was 5'10'' and always in heels or boots. Almost didn't even need to stoop over to munch on that ass. The only person that has ever really ripped on my height to my face was another short guy player hating. This has genuinely been my experience and I'm in my mid-20s.

I just never saw what all the fuss was about. I've had tons of retarded insecurities and inner game issues but for whatever reason height was never among them. Do guys go online dating before they learn that nothing women say matters and take some cunt's mouth queefs to heart? Or is height-trolling a big thing in regular US high schools that I managed to be sheltered from?

Sure, hypothetically with all other things being equal I'd probably do better with women if I were 6'2''. And sure, it's probably been a deficit that has made some chicks less attracted to me who I may have had a good shot with. But that's just pedantic hair splitting in the face of the fact that whatever disadvantage I do have is so minor in the scheme of things that I just don't notice it. Intellectually it makes perfect sense that my height has been a handicap, possibly a big one, at various times but I have never had an experience where it was evidently the decisive factor hence why spend any time worrying about it? My personal hypothesis is that the guy who is insecure about his height simply ASSUMES that it was the main variable when things go wrong, and when some foul succubus he's trying to game sniffs out that vulnerability and strikes it just reinforces the complex.

But seriously: short guys get you a tall bitch in heels and enjoy feeling like a boss rocking that arm candy while she struggles to keep her balance and everyone turns and looks. Embrace yr inner Napoleon.

[blkgatsby]

I've been quiet for a while, but I might as well say something in this thread since I've been observing this forum and RoK for a while now. And yes I'm black (Hence the screen name.)

Even if you are a 10/10 guy, looks will only get you so far. Your looks can open you to girls, but you need some game to close the deal. Pathetically I've had my 9/10 friend tell me back when I was uber-beta " You would kill if you had a bit of game to go along with your looks." Also back in high school and college, most of my friends always wondered why I suck so much at hooking up with girls....yeah, you need game to get anywhere.

Just as a good looking guy, you need different game, not necessarily easier game to succeed. For example since I have a deep, voice, I can't do cocky/funny game very well without making it obvious and that kills the fun of it.

Anyway looking forward to interacting with you guys on here.

[blkgatsby]

(12-16-2013 03:34 PM)mikado Wrote:  

This is a depressing thread for all the 6 and under guys, like me.

Give me your problems please, I would love to take that burden from you.

What's you problem that makes you below 6?
The great thing about us men is that we don't have to do much to boost our looks to another level, unless you have a severely disfigured face or some other disability that would cripple your looks. Get in shape, get some confidence and some game and you are there!

Besides, if you are on the uglier side, you have more game options than me, a 6'3 doppelganger of Sean Combs in terms of looks.

[daddysanchez]

I've been told that I'm handsome or "fine as fuck" by most girls. I think that with handsome guys, especially if you're pre-red pill, your above average looks will work against you. I think this is a good example (keep in mind that I just took the red pill earlier this year):

In high school I was nerdy and awkward but considered a "cool guy". My usual friends were popular and "fresh and cool" too. I was quiet and not confident at all but have above average looks and by my senior year I was wearing shirts and ties (that's what reading GQ does to you) and worked a minimum wage job so I finally got my first pairs of Jordans. Anyway, I think that above average girls don't chase dudes unless they are recognizable ballers, leaving handsome betas alone despite probably wanting to talk to them. The handsome beta. (Me) will continue doing his own thing. I don't chase girls because im scared so what happens? The average and below average girls most likely come up to me because im handsome but aren't turned off by my attitude because I'm a "nice guy". I have value because I acted in a couple plays, on the morning school tv show, and won homecoming king (against a loser though. And my then-gf did all the campaigning. She loved me dearly and wasn't very attractive. She was one of the popular ratchet types tho. Cheerleader, knew how to fight, big booty.) So I got the looks, I got a nice resume per se. But my attitude and lack of confidence is what deters the "bad bitches" and attracts all the ugly "shones". And when you're seen with undesirables, that will set off a chain reaction. I'll call it "negative pre-selection". You're getting peeped and chased byt the wrong ones. That nice guy shit made me be nice to those who didn't deserve it, I didn't know how to say no, I was cool with associating with ugly girls, I was a bitch. A handsome one.

I had oneitis for this one cheerleader. I'll even say I was in love with her. I really was. From sophomore to senior year, even through two girlfriends. But I was needy and such a pussy with her. I wrote that bitch a poem and even gave her valentines gifts. I see why she would never go farther with me. When I found out who she used to fuck I was dumbfounded then and when I look back on it now I just facepalm myself and commend those guys. Despite all the compliments and attention I used to get, I still wasn't aware of my qualities and was scared to death to actually game who I wanted back then. Until i learned to embrace game, it bit me in the ass. I might as well have been ugly. Things prolly wouldn't have been much different. If I were to have stopped being passive and more active my high school years would have been more memorable pussy-wise.

But to be honest, this past fall semester in college, I incorporated asshole game in my intercations with women but it seems to be working against me. It got me absolutely no pussy. I don't know wtf to do.

[txtraveler]

I'm short-5'6
Average looks, I guess. I don't really know.
Tall good looking guys here, I'd take your problems any day of the week.

[The Beast1]

(12-16-2013 04:18 PM)Frank Wrote:  

Donlak has a great post on the subject. Here it is:

http://donlak.com/2012/03/12/being-good-...successes/

I think a lot of what he says in that post applies not just to good looking men (face, body, style), but to alphas in general.

Rep given. That was a fantastic article. I've been trying to find my niche and this is 100% my problem:

Quote:

Now if your the other kind of good looking, you got your work more cut out for you. Why? Because you are always, always, always, more than a fuck to her. You will be so high value that girls although willing to risk being a one night stand with you, really really fight it, even if she’s going along with it in hopes that her magical vagina will blind you to your own amazingness long enough for you to consider dating her. After you fuck her she will either realize that she’s got no chance and become business like in her emotional distance and never call you or text you again, or and most likely say in a very submissive fashion something about how cool you are, or how she’d like to see you again, very carefully as to not apply pressure on you for fear that anything she does might spoil her chance with you. After fucking you, she will feel dread, mixed with elation. She is not okay with just fucking you, for every time you do, the possibility of your rejection of her will be weighing on her mind like a thousand pound weight.

Wow! This is exactly my problem that I have had. I have been playing blind for awhile and this advice was by far one of the most golden I have seen. Thanks Frank.

[blkgatsby]

@daddysanchez- You can't run asshole game if you look good. Asshole game only works because it's ironic.

[Dusty]

I'm on the short side . 5'8" or so. Never really had a problem with it. I can't even recall a girl ever calling me short.

When I tell people my height , they usually say they thought I was taller than that, they tell me I'm average height.

Yeah I'd rather be 6', but I don't sweat what I got and I play the cards dealt to me.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

Someone at the beginning of this thread wrote that you can't be Alpha if you're not tall.

Not true at all. Fame, even of the local level = Alpha. I mean musicians, actors, DJs, club owners and the like. That helps counteract or negate height issues. And while people say "Women just like him because he's famous/popular," they miss the point. The smarts and savvy to get famous/popular are what make men Alpha.

A good example is in the book "Our Band Could be Your Life." One chapter looks at future Nirvana producer Steve Albini's days in college when he formed the alternative group Big Black. Someone is quoted as saying he was short, ugly and weird, but still he was dating a co-ed who'd posed in Playboy since he was a musician. He wasn't famous yet, but had that cache of cool. Sure, it would have been easier had he looked like Tom Selleck (who was the sex symbol at the time), but he did pretty well, considering. Find your niche and make like Albini.