[Prince Charming]

(09-21-2018 11:43 AM)kosko Wrote:  

I keep saying this is where the big issue comes from. Gays are not the issue it is the bisexual men who cross paths and teams and carry the homosexual health issues into the heterosexual world. It is very Non-PC to state this in 2018.

Wrong. The average gay man has sex with more females in their life time than the average straight man

[Al O'Peesha]

(09-21-2018 03:27 AM)MakeItRain Wrote:  

1.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...lence_rate
SEA does not have a high prevalence. Bar-Girls that go raw with many sextourists do.
Eastern Europe is more dangerous, Estonia has a prevalence of 5.2% (!). Ukraine in some areas is very high, too.
Because since breakdown of the Soviet Union, Heroin use with needles is widely spread. And it’s common practice to let the needle run “in circles”.
South America is about the same as USA.

2. You should donate blood regularly. Great way to help other people who need blood after an accident (might be you sometime) and your blood will be tested for important parameters and of course HIV.

3. The infection with STD like Herpes damages the skin on your foreskin/penis and greatly increases the risk of infection. So don't count too much on statistics.

4. Only gay people have HIV? That maybe held true in the 80s. That's a long time ago.

Please don't donate blood to get a test for HIV (or any other blood-borne virus). Go to your doctor/GUM clinic etc.
Donated blood is as safe as it's ever been but there is always the possibility of infected blood getting through undetected.

[jacknap]

The HIV rate in Philippines is really low according to my google search like .1% doesn't make sense though cause Thailand is 1.1% and seem similar vibe.

[MongolianAbroad]

(09-21-2018 09:58 AM)wrapyojunk Wrote:  

Lol calm down with the moral judgements.

Is it morally repugnant to bang a girl without telling her you have diabetes or epilepsy?

And no I most likely wouldn't date a girl who has HIV. My plan is just to continue to get wealthy and then it shouldn't matter that much.

If I date a girl for more than a few months I will tell her.

Wait, what the F? A few months? Not telling this to someone you have sex with used to be a felony, I think, I don't know if it still is, but even if it isn't, you've been out there spreading this thing for a few years now, and you can argue you didn't know at the time, which I think is BS, but you can make the argument. However, once you know, there's no argument, you need to disclose this to any girl you're about to have sex with, preferably much sooner, so they can have time to think about whether they want to continue seeing you.

And even if you think what you have isn't able to be spread, you should still disclose. Put the shoe on the other foot, man, if you were a girl getting fucked by someone, would you want to know this information? Of course you would.

I hope you see that.

[asdfk]

Don't trust prevalence data for 3rd world countries unless you are sure the source is solid.

[MongolianAbroad]

(09-21-2018 10:58 AM)Prince Charming Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:58 AM)wrapyojunk Wrote:  

If I date a girl for more than a few months I will tell her.

I cant imagine that going well. If some girl waited 3 months of sex to tell me she had HIV... lordyy

If this happened in some parts of Mexico, I could see him getting shot by the girl's brothers.

[JohnQPublic]

(09-21-2018 10:12 AM)wrapyojunk Wrote:  

Yeah thats the point... my HIV is not transmissible because I have responsed very well to the meds and I am disciplined with adherence.

...

A girl I had gone out with 2 years previously called me up once to meet, just to catch up. She told me she was HIV+. She told me she had got it from her bf who claimed his "HIV was not transmissable" due to low viral load and not showing up in tests (he told her and she bought it). She in turn went around banging guys not telling them anything. I think one reported her to the police, because when she called me she was contacting all previous partners who she had had sex with, protected or not, to explain her situation. I wasn't worried because I had been tested 2x since then and never did it without a condom. She told me that she never told me because I always put on a condom, but 30% of guys would bone her without one and without asking, so she never told them anything. She was trying to get me to do it again and i was like, NO WAY. I told her to go to an AIDS support group and she could have a whole room full of people to choose from.

[doc holliday]

(09-21-2018 04:54 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:58 AM)wrapyojunk Wrote:  

Lol calm down with the moral judgements.

Is it morally repugnant to bang a girl without telling her you have diabetes or epilepsy?

And no I most likely wouldn't date a girl who has HIV. My plan is just to continue to get wealthy and then it shouldn't matter that much.

If I date a girl for more than a few months I will tell her.

Wait, what the F? A few months? Not telling this to someone you have sex with used to be a felony, I think, I don't know if it still is, but even if it isn't, you've been out there spreading this thing for a few years now, and you can argue you didn't know at the time, which I think is BS, but you can make the argument. However, once you know, there's no argument, you need to disclose this to any girl you're about to have sex with, preferably much sooner, so they can have time to think about whether they want to continue seeing you.

And even if you think what you have isn't able to be spread, you should still disclose. Put the shoe on the other foot, man, if you were a girl getting fucked by someone, would you want to know this information? Of course you would.

I hope you see that.

Yeah Wrap, as much as I feel for your situation given what I went through, I think Spaniard is right here. You can't wait months to tell someone that your HIV+. I get that having that conversation with a woman would be very, very difficult but you really have to do the right thing and let them know early on. If the girl from whom you caught it had given you that same level of respect and told you prior to sex, then your whole life would be completely different. It's not the same as telling someone you're diabetic or epileptic because you can't pass that on to them via sex. In the US, it is a felony in every state except California I believe (another of a million reasons why California is a shithole). Not to be harsh here but it was being irresponsible that got you into this mess so you can't be so irresponsible as to endanger another person like this.

[Luther]

A question to those of you fretting about the odds. Yes there are risks... but do you guys also avoid other risky behaviour? Would you not ride a scooter or tuk tuk in SEA? Do you back down from fights? Cower from “dangerous” people and lose your soul in the process. Would you not fuck a married woman... cuz that’ll get you killed right there.
I work alone at heights, without safety gear, that could kill me or just leave me lying incapacitated for a day or two until somebody maybe finds me. I certainly don’t worry about that (although my family does) or anything else in life killing me. I’m not going to worry about aids either. Life is short. Push your chips forward. Roll the dice.
Wrapyojunk was unlucky. So was the last guy who got hit by a bus.

[wrapyojunk]

(09-21-2018 11:36 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Isn't it still illegal in some places to not disclose your HIV+ status?

Some places. Most no.

The law changed in most places after the virus transitioned from a little understood death sentence to a non-transmissible chronic disease.

[wrapyojunk]

Yeah I have already thought about this extensively and I wouldn't tell a girl for a ONS or if I am just dating for a short period of time.

If I am not transmissible there is no ethical reason to tell anybody.

The law agrees with me.

(09-21-2018 04:54 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:58 AM)wrapyojunk Wrote:  

Lol calm down with the moral judgements.

Is it morally repugnant to bang a girl without telling her you have diabetes or epilepsy?

And no I most likely wouldn't date a girl who has HIV. My plan is just to continue to get wealthy and then it shouldn't matter that much.

If I date a girl for more than a few months I will tell her.

Wait, what the F? A few months? Not telling this to someone you have sex with used to be a felony, I think, I don't know if it still is, but even if it isn't, you've been out there spreading this thing for a few years now, and you can argue you didn't know at the time, which I think is BS, but you can make the argument. However, once you know, there's no argument, you need to disclose this to any girl you're about to have sex with, preferably much sooner, so they can have time to think about whether they want to continue seeing you.

And even if you think what you have isn't able to be spread, you should still disclose. Put the shoe on the other foot, man, if you were a girl getting fucked by someone, would you want to know this information? Of course you would.

I hope you see that.

[wrapyojunk]

Again if there was a risk of transmission above 0% then ethically I would have to disclose and I would.

But since this is not the case, ethically and legally there is no issue since I present zero risk to anyone.

In fact someone who is unaware of their status present exponentially more risk than I do.

(09-21-2018 06:14 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 04:54 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(09-21-2018 09:58 AM)wrapyojunk Wrote:  

Lol calm down with the moral judgements.

Is it morally repugnant to bang a girl without telling her you have diabetes or epilepsy?

And no I most likely wouldn't date a girl who has HIV. My plan is just to continue to get wealthy and then it shouldn't matter that much.

If I date a girl for more than a few months I will tell her.

Wait, what the F? A few months? Not telling this to someone you have sex with used to be a felony, I think, I don't know if it still is, but even if it isn't, you've been out there spreading this thing for a few years now, and you can argue you didn't know at the time, which I think is BS, but you can make the argument. However, once you know, there's no argument, you need to disclose this to any girl you're about to have sex with, preferably much sooner, so they can have time to think about whether they want to continue seeing you.

And even if you think what you have isn't able to be spread, you should still disclose. Put the shoe on the other foot, man, if you were a girl getting fucked by someone, would you want to know this information? Of course you would.

I hope you see that.

Yeah Wrap, as much as I feel for your situation given what I went through, I think Spaniard is right here. You can't wait months to tell someone that your HIV+. I get that having that conversation with a woman would be very, very difficult but you really have to do the right thing and let them know early on. If the girl from whom you caught it had given you that same level of respect and told you prior to sex, then your whole life would be completely different. It's not the same as telling someone you're diabetic or epileptic because you can't pass that on to them via sex. In the US, it is a felony in every state except California I believe (another of a million reasons why California is a shithole). Not to be harsh here but it was being irresponsible that got you into this mess so you can't be so irresponsible as to endanger another person like this.

[tomtud]

I believe ya. Thanks for sharing. I wish you well and hope you live a long happy life.

Too bad other strains exist and can mess up your medical regimen if you are reckless. I thought before a person gets it, they should fear no more as they already got it. After looking into it, I was wrong.

Did you contact previous partners to disclose to them about your status and that they should get checked. Also, your suspicion of "carrier zero" the girl you think gave it to you. Did you try to reach out?
I do know that in Canada, after a positive STD test, they do encourage you to contact previous sexual partners. Was there any protocol like this in the phils?

[wrapyojunk]

I have had a girlfriend for the past 1.5 years and i purged my contact list of all previous girls.

I anonymously messaged a few who I still had the contact details for and had unprotected sex with.

(09-21-2018 07:31 PM)tomtud Wrote:  

I believe ya. Thanks for sharing. I wish you well and hope you live a long happy life.

Too bad other strains exist and can mess up your medical regimen if you are reckless. I thought before a person gets it, they should fear no more as they already got it. After looking into it, I was wrong.

Did you contact previous partners to disclose to them about your status and that they should get checked. Also, your suspicion of "carrier zero" the girl you think gave it to you. Did you try to reach out?
I do know that in Canada, after a positive STD test, they do encourage you to contact previous sexual partners. Was there any protocol like this in the phils?

[Prince Charming]

In Toronto a few years back there was a player in the salsa scene who knowingly infected some 40 women. Prob gonna die in jail

[wrapyojunk]

(09-21-2018 07:41 PM)Prince Charming Wrote:  

In Toronto a few years back there was a player in the salsa scene who knowingly infected some 40 women. Prob gonna die in jail

Cool story and he should.

[Rorogue]

I was in Vietnam 9 years ago and banged a bar woman... the condom broke and she got really worried.

I was haunted for the rest of the year, convinced I had HIV (I was only 20), as I saw the HIV rates of 'bargirls'. About 9 months later got a test and was negative. Thank god.

Unfortunately, I have gone back to paying for women the last year or so, albeit in Australia.
Will stop, and get a final test in a few months.

I've never raw dogged though thank god.

Thanks for sharing your story mate. It does make one sit back and think.

[Rorogue]

Just curious for the guys in previous posts who have said they will give up raw dogging, especially with promiscuous women.

Would you apply that to oral as well or no?
I have had plenty of oral with promiscuous women in the last year and have not used protection.

[captain_shane]

(09-21-2018 07:00 PM)Luther Wrote:  

A question to those of you fretting about the odds. Yes there are risks... but do you guys also avoid other risky behaviour? Would you not ride a scooter or tuk tuk in SEA? Do you back down from fights? Cower from “dangerous” people and lose your soul in the process. Would you not fuck a married woman... cuz that’ll get you killed right there.
I work alone at heights, without safety gear, that could kill me or just leave me lying incapacitated for a day or two until somebody maybe finds me. I certainly don’t worry about that (although my family does) or anything else in life killing me. I’m not going to worry about aids either. Life is short. Push your chips forward. Roll the dice.
Wrapyojunk was unlucky. So was the last guy who got hit by a bus.

This needs reiterated.

Stop worrying over this shit. This dude most likely banged a ladyboy and isn't saying shit causing mass panic.

Dudes on this forum are plowing hundreds of girls a year in asia and SA and not catching Aids.

Aids is still a gay disease until I see otherwise. I've never seen or heard of a straight person ever catching that shit, and I'm not about to allow some random person on the internet scare me away from banging raw.

If I catch it, fuck it. I don't think it'll happen though.

Scaremonger thread IMO

[Vincent Chase]

The first person possibly ever seen online say/admit he has HIV, and I've frequented all sorts of forums including Medhelp (where the average person gets gangbanged by 10 ladyboys), nearly all come back and say tested negative, that said maybe a few of the silent ones don't own up.

If you are banging women in a western country you'd be desperately unlucky to catch it, I mean seriously fucking unlucky. 2.6 cases of women with HIV per 100 000 population in a study a couple of years ago in Europe. Even if she has HIV, some studies quote unprotected vaginal sex carries an average transmission chance of once for every 1,000 encounters. It is like the reverse of winning the lottery.

1) Did you share needles with anyone?
2) Have you had sex with men/ladyboys?

Some of these girls you met in phillipines (sounds like prostitutes) may have been infected with something fuck knows but still very unfortunate to have caught it.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

I am sorry - I am simply not buying it - not that you got a positive HIV test, but that this "disease" is any real.

You even say that you are currently by their own definitions not infectious. How can the fuck that be if that were a real disease? Untreated Syphilis was a scourge that infected in the past the majority of the aristocrat population in Europe. AIDS should be common as that in the promiscuous Europe - hardly anyone gets tested.

The entire preamble of the 3-20 years incubation period is just bat-shit insane.

And don't let me get started on the idiocracy of the tests that give 20% of some African countries the AIDS label - complete with international UN funding.

And no - I am not some kind of insane flat-earth nut, there are countless doctors - even high-level scientists who came out against the racket early on. There are countless people who have tested positive and then a few years later negative. What kills you for sure are the meds and especially the old NZT "treatment" that was just a failed chemotherapy drug that killed 100% of all patients within 5 years.

Here the list of AIDS critics - some of them even headed massive debates and conferences with other doctors discussing the issue utterly bereft of emotions:

Quote:

AIDS CRITICS A-Z: (own page here)
Al-Bayati, Mohammed A.
Awadu, Keidi Obi
Brink, Anthony
Cantwell, M.D.*
Coulter, Harris *
Cost, Curtis *
Clark, Hulda
Crowe, David
David Crowe
Day, Dr MD
Duesberg, Peter H. , Ph.D.
Douglass, William , MD
Ellison, Bryan
Ellner, David
Engelbrecht, Torsten
Fiala, Dr. Christian
Geshekter, Charles
Giraldo, MD, Roberto A.
Graves, Boyd
Harven, M.D., Etienne De
Hodgkinson, Neville
Horowitz, Leonard DM.D.,M.A.
Kalokerinos M.D., Archie
Keske, Tom
Köhnlein, Claus MD
KremerLanctot, M.D., Guylain
Lanka, Dr Stefan
Lauritsen, John
Poison by Prescription (Book)
Martin, M.D., Ph.D, W. John
Maggiore,Christine
McTaggart, Lynne
Mullis. Kary
Null, Ph.D., Gary
Nussbaum, Bruce
PASQUARELLI
Rappoport, Jon
Rasnick, Dr. David
Regush, Nicholas
Richards, Dr. Rodney
Scheff, Liam
Scott, M.A. M.Sc, Prof
Shulze, Dr Richard
Snead, M.D., Eva
Strecker, M.D., Robert
Tine van der Maas
West, Jim
West Ph.D., John
Willner, M.D.HIV critics:
Mohammed A. Al-Bayati
Peter H. Duesberg, Ph.D.
Dr Day MD
Bryan Ellison
Willner, M.D.
AIDS origins critics:
Keidi Obi Awadu
Alan Cantwell, M.D.
Boyd Ed Graves, J.D
Leonard Horowitz DM.D.,M.A.
Edward Hooper
Tom Keske
Prof Scott, M.A. M.Sc
Robert Strecker, M.D.

Links/sites

Tine van der Maas

Torsten Engelbrecht

One of those doctors is the German doctor Claus Koehnlein who was an oncologist in the 1980s. He started to have doubts about the entire thing when almost all of his cancer patients suddenly tested HIV positive. But most of them had literally no chance of ever contracting - some of them being elderly men in their 70s who hadn't fucked a different woman for decades.

Quote:

I asked Montagnier what convinced him that AIDS is caused by a virus. Montagnier answered that over the years apparently an effective treatment has been developed, and this was proof enough for HIV leading to AIDS. In other words, the virologists have no virological arguments for the theory that HIV leads to AIDS. Instead, they get the proof for their hypotheses from physicians, who give a positive feedback by saying "Of course AIDS is a viral disease that responds to antiviral treatment." ---- BSE/AIDS/Hepatitis C Infectious or Intoxication Diseases? By Claus Köhnlein

"Tuberculosis has always been a good indicator for the weal and woe of a society (see the frequency of TB in Germany after the two world wars, Statistisches Bundesamt Wiesbaden). Modern tuberculosis however is now, after the introduction of HIV-tests, called AIDS and is treated accordingly. In India they showed me patients who had tuberculosis and sold house and home, in order to get the cure (AZT) from the West. "----BSE/AIDS/Hepatitis C Infectious or Intoxication Diseases? By Claus Köhnlein

"The therapy business: Antiviral medication, 3 or 4 or 5 fold combinations, AIDS can´t be topped in this department. ....... With intoxication hypotheses on the other hand you cannot make any money at all. The simple message is: Avoid the poison and you won´t get sick. Such hypotheses are counterproductive insofar as the toxins (drugs, alcohol, pills, phosmet) bring high revenues. The conflict of interests is not resolvable: What virologist who does directly profit millions from their patent rights of the HIV or HCV tests (Montagnier, Simon Wain-Hobsen, Robin Weiss, Robert Gallo) can risk to take even one look in the other direction."--BSE/AIDS/Hepatitis C Infectious or Intoxication Diseases? By Claus Köhnlein

But if a toxin can speed up the outbreak of a disease, like alcohol can contribute to liver diseases, then it can also be the sole cause. However, if Phosmet would be declared as cause of BSE, compensation lawsuits in billions would wait for both the British government and the manufacturer of the insecticide. This is certainly not desirable for them, so they prefer to surround the basically clear context in a fog of prions.
Intoxication hypotheses are easily testable and in contrast to the virus or prion hypotheses also falsifiable. They can be examined toxicologically and epidemiologically and then we can either accept or reject them. BSE/AIDS/Hepatitis C Infectious or Intoxication Diseases? By Claus Köhnlein

Epidemiological and toxicological data suggest that chronic intoxication's are the real cause for the named diseases AIDS, Hep C and BSE. Why these plausible hypothesis aren´t investigated further, this is a topic one could write a book about which could have the title "conflicts of interests".
Infection hypotheses can help making billions of dollars:
1. The antibody business: Millions of screening tests are distributed, each blood sample needs to be tested (4 millions in Germany alone)
2. The therapy business: Antiviral medication, 3 or 4 or 5 fold combinations, AIDS can´t be topped in this department.
3. Possibly vaccinations: Here, however, the concept of the new big plagues gets in the way of itself, because this has brought up the central paradox of immunology. Since the beginning of HIV they have told us: He who has antibodies to HIV, will die, instead of, he who has antibodies to HIV will live, which would meet our vaccination concepts. How many HIV antibody negative individuals would like to get vaccinated, in order to have antibodies to HIV afterwards?
With intoxication hypotheses on the other hand you cannot make any money at all. The simple message is: Avoid the poison and you won´t get sick. Such hypotheses are counterproductive insofar as the toxins (drugs, alcohol, pills, phosmet) bring high revenues. The conflict of interests is not resolvable: What virologist who does directly profit millions from their patent rights of the HIV or HCV tests (Montagnier, Simon Wain-Hobsen, Robin Weiss, Robert Gallo) can risk to take even one look in the other direction.
What physician who has treated AIDS or hepatitis C patients over many years in good faith in the virus hypothesis and with high personal input, can look in the other direction? BSE/AIDS/Hepatitis C Infectious or Intoxication Diseases? By Claus Köhnlein

http://www.whale.to/a/kohnlein_h.html

On CD4 testing:

http://www.whale.to/b/cd4_h.html

It's a good documentary, but there are countless others. There are even definitive statements that say how you are HIV positive in one country, then cross the borders - do their tests and then you are negative. And these are all developed countries!

Even your case - you have had it for years, have full-blown AIDS, have had no impact on your health whatsoever, but now you are taking chemotherapy light or a variation of it.

No wonder that the sheisters came up with a wonder-drug that is supposed to suppress infection by 98%+.

Here a doctor injecting himself with a vial of "AIDS blood". His critics later said that he would require more - a pound or two infusion to guarantee infection.

Now anyone who thinks that he has more medical knowledge and acumen than fucking Nobel price winners who question the HIV/AIDS story, then so be it - post a pic of your Nobel price in the comments.

If I were much more wealthy, then I would fund your travel, vitamin C infusions, at least temporary stop of your current meds, full orthomolecular vitamin regimen, some diet change, then another take of those tests 2 months later in Europe. You would very likely test negative just as many others have done.

OP - I don't want to belittle your condition or sickness, because it certainly sounds frightening, but the entire HIV/AIDS disease does not keep up with logic and common sense. It would be all blown open if they tested the entire world - countless nuns, 90yo men and an enormous proportion of pregnant women would test positive (tests react strongly to pregnant women).

You may think that I am a cook, but your arguments are with the countless doctors out there who bring up many reasonable facts that are to this day not refuted.

http://www.rethinkingaids.com/

[wrapyojunk]

Respectively, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Everything you posted is decades old. Dont you think I have been through all this content before? Of course I have.

Go look up where all the AIDS denialists are today. Oh wait they are all dead from AIDS.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Tell it to the doctors and Nobal price winners.

And people die - claiming that a woman died because of untreated AIDS 20 years after the positive test is not how you prove a point.

And again - respectively there are various other claims by mainstream medicine that ar batshit insane - vaccines for example being another one - a boon of society that does not hold up to any decent scrutiny.

US colleges and hyper-promiscuous societies in the West should have 50 - 200 mio. AIDS patients by now. I have even personally heard statements by medical doctors in mainstream universities that the potential infection rate for heterosexuals is really close to zero - that is the real-life mainstream view taught at a public university in Sweden! My MD buddies say exactly the same - it's not some 8-10% as in some stats thrown around here.

Oh - and I read a funny study by an Italian team that tested WWI corpses for HIV - guess what - many of them tested HIV positive. 1918 was a busy time for time travelers - can't find the study now.


Never mind - respectfully - I disagree as do many other MDs.
I won't post any more here, because anyone can research at their leisure and I don't want to pull away from the issue if you think it's real. Wrapping it up won't hurt for sure.

[wrapyojunk]

Its easy to spout off this garbage when you have no skin in the game. I guarentee if you tested positive you would be on HAART in a heartbeat.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(09-22-2018 04:25 AM)wrapyojunk Wrote:  

Its easy to spout off this garbage when you have no skin in the game. I guarentee if you tested positive you would be on HAART in a heartbeat.

I wouldn't, but I understand fully why others would.
I would do my best to test negative again. And I certainly would not take those meds.

Again - I understand your situation and I have no beef with you. And - if I had greater financial means, then I would extend an alternative invitation to you. Whether you take the meds after repeatedly testing negative in the future - that would be up to you.

Oh - another thing - some people are genetically predisposed to test positive.

Have you done the test in the past and tested negative or was that your first HIV test?

I took some tests in the past before I found out about this and tested negative.