[Professor When]

While speaking with a buddy tonight, I was made aware of an interesting point: I worry about being perceived as creepy as I interact with women and it holds me back.

In further discussion, I feel like my greatest fear is not having some random woman think poorly of me, but it's a fear of getting caught in some sort of progressive witch hunt. I've been back in school this past year and 90% of the women I interact with are students. I hear horror stories from college campuses.

I mentioned in another thread that people always tend to like me, but I also notice a complete change of tone with women toward whom I have expressed romantic interest. I couple that with the way I see less attractive men bearing the brunt of feminism's ire and I worry that one wrong move could fuck me over.

How do you assuage this fear?

[kinjutsu]

Don't shit where you eat. This counts for work, school or any place that you visit regularly.
Leave you gaming women to social gatherings where it's expected.
Some may say its being weak and you'll lose out on bangs but IF you truly have quite a bit to lose professionally then keeping things light and funny with females you interact with is the best play until you're done.
The only way i'd ever go against this advice is if the girl shows interest in me and gets the ball rolling.

[Mig Picante]

"I mentioned in another thread that people always tend to like me, but I also notice a complete change of tone with women toward whom I have expressed romantic interest. I couple that with the way I see less attractive men bearing the brunt of feminism's ire and I worry that one wrong move could fuck me over."

Unfortunately they like you in a non-romantic/platonic way. I second kinjutsu in saying "don't shit where you eat" meaning don't pursue women in any setting where they are mutual stakeholders in any organisation you are in such as work, university, customers or students where you work.

Being perceived as creepy, as far as I understand it means to express sexual/romantic intent where it is not appreciated or expected. AND often from lower SMV men.

The fear is real. Game somewhere else, you should have other opportunities.

[robreke]

If they find you attractive, you can say pretty much what you want and flirt with them and they're going to welcome it and let you know it's welcome.

If they aren't attracted, anything flirtatious or with romantic intent will be viewed as creepy.

Solution: Attract them first, then make your intent known. Obviously, for some (many possibly) women, you will never be their type.

[ShuaiGe]

(08-21-2018 02:49 AM)Professor When Wrote:  

While speaking with a buddy tonight, I was made aware of an interesting point: I worry about being perceived as creepy as I interact with women and it holds me back.

In further discussion, I feel like my greatest fear is not having some random woman think poorly of me, but it's a fear of getting caught in some sort of progressive witch hunt. I've been back in school this past year and 90% of the women I interact with are students. I hear horror stories from college campuses.

I mentioned in another thread that people always tend to like me, but I also notice a complete change of tone with women toward whom I have expressed romantic interest. I couple that with the way I see less attractive men bearing the brunt of feminism's ire and I worry that one wrong move could fuck me over.

How do you assuage this fear?

"Don't be a pussy"
- Someone

This advice has helped me time and time again, I would like to pass it on to you, friend.

[Professor When]

(08-21-2018 03:04 AM)kinjutsu Wrote:  

Don't shit where you eat. This counts for work, school or any place that you visit regularly.
Leave you gaming women to social gatherings where it's expected.
Some may say its being weak and you'll lose out on bangs but IF you truly have quite a bit to lose professionally then keeping things light and funny with females you interact with is the best play until you're done.
The only way i'd ever go against this advice is if the girl shows interest in me and gets the ball rolling.

Mostly pragmatic advice, I guess. Thank you.

(08-21-2018 06:22 AM)robreke Wrote:  

If they find you attractive, you can say pretty much what you want and flirt with them and they're going to welcome it and let you know it's welcome.

If they aren't attracted, anything flirtatious or with romantic intent will be viewed as creepy.

Solution: Attract them first, then make your intent known. Obviously, for some (many possibly) women, you will never be their type.

Maybe I'm working on too short of a time frame. Much of what I see here seems to operate under the premise that if she's not into you in right away, don't waste your time.

One thought I've had is: consider the possibility of accepting the friendzone as a means of increasing social exposure. Or would this just brand me as an untouchable?

(08-21-2018 06:16 AM)Mig Picante Wrote:  

"I mentioned in another thread that people always tend to like me, but I also notice a complete change of tone with women toward whom I have expressed romantic interest. I couple that with the way I see less attractive men bearing the brunt of feminism's ire and I worry that one wrong move could fuck me over."

Unfortunately they like you in a non-romantic/platonic way. I second kinjutsu in saying "don't shit where you eat" meaning don't pursue women in any setting where they are mutual stakeholders in any organisation you are in such as work, university, customers or students where you work.

Being perceived as creepy, as far as I understand it means to express sexual/romantic intent where it is not appreciated or expected. AND often from lower SMV men.

The fear is real. Game somewhere else, you should have other opportunities.

Working/full time student/getting fit eat so much of my time. I don't have much opportunity to block out a few hours to go out and game. This is probably something to which I just say "fuck it for now," and get the rest of my shit together. Well, at least I can try and learn a thing or two on the forum.

(08-21-2018 07:33 AM)ShuaiGe Wrote:  

"Don't be a pussy"
- Someone

This advice has helped me time and time again, I would like to pass it on to you, friend.

There's a difference between not being a pussy and tap dancing on a minefield, dude.

[kaotic]

(08-21-2018 11:53 AM)Professor When Wrote:  

Maybe I'm working on too short of a time frame. Much of what I see here seems to operate under the premise that if she's not into you in right away, don't waste your time.

That is correct, initial attraction is important, if it's not their in the beginning the odds drop drastically as time goes on..

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One thought I've had is: consider the possibility of accepting the friendzone as a means of increasing social exposure. Or would this just brand me as an untouchable?

This is called pivoting, as in you stay friends with a girl to pivot her and use her to bang her friends.

From the way you're talking it doesn't like you're even ready for that situation.

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Working/full time student/getting fit eat so much of my time. I don't have much opportunity to block out a few hours to go out and game. This is probably something to which I just say "fuck it for now," and get the rest of my shit together. Well, at least I can try and learn a thing or two on the forum.

These are excuses, plenty of guys here work/lift/go to school and still find time to game.

You don't need to say fuck it for now - you just need to find the right time or opportunity to hit up girls.

Definitely get your shit together, always focus on yourself first and your inner game.

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There's a difference between not being a pussy and tap dancing on a minefield, dude.

You see it as a minefield when you should see it as shooting fish in a barell my friend.

You need to stop worry about what people think of you and bring a I don't give a fuck attitude (in a non arrogant way).

[Professor When]

(08-21-2018 12:12 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(08-21-2018 11:53 AM)Professor When Wrote:  

Maybe I'm working on too short of a time frame. Much of what I see here seems to operate under the premise that if she's not into you in right away, don't waste your time.

That is correct, initial attraction is important, if it's not their in the beginning the odds drop drastically as time goes on..

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One thought I've had is: consider the possibility of accepting the friendzone as a means of increasing social exposure. Or would this just brand me as an untouchable?

This is called pivoting, as in you stay friends with a girl to pivot her and use her to bang her friends.

From the way you're talking it doesn't like you're even ready for that situation.

Seems like a worthwhile endeavor to learn this, then.

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Working/full time student/getting fit eat so much of my time. I don't have much opportunity to block out a few hours to go out and game. This is probably something to which I just say "fuck it for now," and get the rest of my shit together. Well, at least I can try and learn a thing or two on the forum.

These are excuses, plenty of guys here work/lift/go to school and still find time to game.

You don't need to say fuck it for now - you just need to find the right time or opportunity to hit up girls.

Definitely get your shit together, always focus on yourself first and your inner game.

What would you recommend doing? This last weekend was one of the first times I've been able to grab a drink with my friends in about a month. I was thinking that learning to day game would be a kill-two-birds scenario since I'll be around cute girls anyway.

I really don't have the leisure to hang around in a bar late at night and approach. Or do you mean something else?

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There's a difference between not being a pussy and tap dancing on a minefield, dude.

You see it as a minefield when you should see it as shooting fish in a barell my friend.

You need to stop worry about what people think of you and bring a I don't give a fuck attitude (in a non arrogant way).

I only care what they think in so far as it directly affects my quality of life. That's the root of this issue. If social proof can work in your favor, it stands to reason that a reputation can have an unfavorable effect as well.

The entire concept of game is about working to put forth the attitude of ZFG until you have the money/power/position of actually being outcome independent. If you're practicing frame, etc it obviously isn't something that is natural yet. When I used to really not care I was a nearly 500 lb slob that wore sweat suits, had unkempt shoulder length hair, and worked a shitty job that made me just enough to be able to sit in my apartment and play video games all day.

Caring what others think is not a bad thing. I try not to let it adversely affect my actions, but this is seriously new ground for me.

[UniversalMen]

(08-21-2018 08:03 PM)Professor When Wrote:  

Caring what others think is not a bad thing. I try not to let it adversely affect my actions, but this is seriously new ground for me.

We all care what people have to say about us, what our friends have to say about us, what our family has to say about us, but it's how you handle their judgments, perceptions, and formulations of who you are, that set you apart from the rest of the underclassmen.

You've taken a huge step by getting into the gym, getting your house in order, and taking the necessary steps of pursuing a life with the MINDSET of game.

Keep improving yourself, and not just for aesthetic reasons. You do it because it makes you feel more confident, more driven, and more stable in all areas of your life, the whole point of practicing game.

Keep your eye on new goals or aspirations. Never back down. A man is nothing without his ambition. Reach for those greater heights each and every day.

Stay solid, my friend.