[nomadbrah]

(08-19-2018 02:07 PM)Bastard Sword Wrote:  

Skilled immigration (the Chinese in this case) is significantly less of a problem than broken families, drug abuse, loss of spirituality/culture, mental health epidemics, and suicide epidemics.

Isn't it interesting how history repeats itself?

This is what Rudyard Kipling wrote about the matter, 100 years ago, when some Canadians wanted to import Japanese (and Chinese) guest workers:

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The Stranger

The Stranger within my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk--
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.

The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
They are used to the lies I tell;
And we do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell.

The Stranger within my gates,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control--
What reasons sway his mood;
Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
Shall repossess his blood.

The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
And see the things I see;
And whatever I think of them and their likes
They think of the likes of me.

This was my father's belief
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf--
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.

http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/rg_stranger1.htm

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A continuing theme during Kipling's visit was immigration, and in particular the need for over-populated Britain to send more men and women overseas to participate in the growth of Canada. This was a lively issue in Canada at the time, particularly in the West, where there was a shortage of labour, but resistance to Japanese immigration, which had led to violent riots.

[rudebwoy]

^great example, quoting a gay man that was born in India.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Yeah - the 20% White Canada in 2100 will indeed require "skilled non-White" labor-force because Europe and US up until the 1990s absolutely could not live with "high-skilled" non-Whites. Wonder how the British could deal without all the rape gangs and acid attacks.

Not even your stupid idiotic arguments of "absolutely necessary IT workers" is valid. Wages would just rise and that is all.

The only one who is hamstering truth away is a Bastard who claims that a 20% White Canada would still be Canada.

"No one is arguing for more Muslim and African immigration" but you are arguing that every non-European can become Canadian - Canada would still be Canada if Somalis or Chinese had settled there eh? And I did not say anything against the Chinese, but you twisted that as well because you love doing that kind of bullshit.

Yeah - and the West needs more guys like you to show us the way, because it did fine for thousands of years while being 99% White up until the 1980s. Now we need diversity to enrich us all. You guys will all witness the enriched West anyway and shall find out soon enough whether SJWs or the multiculturalism will rather be the doom of the West. The cultural marxism just facilitated the latter.

[Bastard Sword]

(08-19-2018 03:13 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

Yeah - the 20% White Canada in 2100 will indeed require "skilled non-White" labor-force because Europe and US up until the 1990s absolutely could not live with "high-skilled" non-Whites. Wonder how the British could deal without all the rape gangs and acid attacks.

Not even your stupid idiotic arguments of "absolutely necessary IT workers" is valid. Wages would just rise and that is all.

The only one who is hamstering truth away is a Bastard who claims that a 20% White Canada would still be Canada.

"No one is arguing for more Muslim and African immigration" but you are arguing that every non-European can become Canadian - Canada would still be Canada if Somalis or Chinese had settled there eh? And I did not say anything against the Chinese, but you twisted that as well because you love doing that kind of bullshit.

Yeah - and the West needs more guys like you to show us the way, because it did fine for thousands of years while being 99% White up until the 1980s. Now we need diversity to enrich us all. You guys will all witness the enriched West anyway and shall find out soon enough whether SJWs or the multiculturalism will rather be the doom of the West. The cultural marxism just facilitated the latter.

Thing is, the economy could give a fuck about your complaints about race. If the U.S had stagnated and never developed an IT industry (depriving us of most modern technology), sure, it wouldn't have needed skilled immigrants.

As we both know, however, it did. Companies throughout the world need a workforce that can maintain their databases, develop new and innovative technology, and ensure that their infrastructure runs smoothly. This means that they need lots and lots of workers can perform the tasks I just listed with some degree of competency.

The companies who require this range from massive multinationals -- Walmart, Target, Oracle, Google, etc -- to small businesses and startups. This creates a market for tens of millions of IT workers, who do the necessary task of maintaining the technical backend that these companies need to survive.

Who can do these kinds of jobs? Anyone with a level of competency in computer science -- some level of familiarity with contemporary coding languages, data analysis, and other such skills. Who actually has these skills? People from countries and cultures where proficiency in STEM was highly encouraged, to the point where millions of people graduated college knowing how to code, run a database, do data analysis, or perform some other function vital to an IT organization.

Which cultures produced people like these? India and China are the most famous ones, but you still get tons of IT labor from places like Nigeria, Israel and Ukraine. Outsourcing to India is a big thing these days, but plenty of companies also outsource their labor to Israel or Eastern Europe as well -- many companies I've worked for had all their coders in Tel Aviv or were using Polish/Ukranian contractors to handle their IT workload.

The simple fact is that there are many people from these cultures who have this skillset (which is necessary to maintain almost any company anywhere), so they're going to find easy employment wherever their skills are needed. This is why Silicon Valley, to use an example, is full of Indians and Asians -- most of them are coders whose skills are needed at the hubs of these big companies.

There's also a reason why there aren't many white or black Americans in these IT branches -- it's because there aren't enough of them with the necessary skillset. This also explains why Computer Science is easily the most lucrative field out there -- because it's one of the most necessary, in-demand skills out there. Obviously populations where tons of people are doing Comp Sci are going to be overrepresented in those fields. It also makes sense that companies in America will want them in America to do their work.

So throwing bitch fits about how "America will no longer be America" because of Chinese immigrants is just immature -- skilled immigrants are there because the economy demands it, not because of some evil conspiracy to bring the white man down.

It really doesn't matter if there are a couple more Chinese restaurants or Indian grocery stores, what matters is productivity, economic growth, prosperity, and healthy family structures. Skilled immigrants have those in droves -- white Americans less and less so with each day. This is the point I was trying to make -- that it's autistic to view some of the most productive people in society as being a threat, while members of your own community are engaging in some of the most self-destructive behaviors out there. Again I'm speaking from an American context but I wouldn't be surprised if this is happening in other Anglo countries as well.

It's hilarious that people are attacking Asians when shit like this is happening:



Or things like this, where almost twenty percent of whites suffer from some kind of mental illness, fifty percent have received treatment for some kind of mental illness, and suffer from six times as much serious mental illness as Asians:

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statisti...ness.shtml -- tons of charts here that I couldn't paste individually.

I would say this a drastically bigger problem than seeing a couple more brown or Asian people on your block, but hey, that's just my opinion.

[Faust]

Immigrants drive down wages in tech, and refuse to hire whites when they're in positions of power, preferring to give preferential treatment to their own countrymen. Everybody who's even tangentially related to the tech industry has heard a million horror stories about being outsourced or replaced by H1-Bs, and the struggle that comes with finding a job in the industry, particularly when you're 40+ and have been too busy working a job and raising a family to keep your skills up to date. The smart whites know this is happening, so they refuse to go into tech jobs, preferring to either make it on their own, or go into finance or other professions that aren't as easily outsourced.

Then, when the intelligent whites flee from tech, they say, "Look! You need us, because there's not enough whites to do these jobs!"

Your concern for our economies is appreciated, but don't worry: once we've deported you and slapped serious penalties on companies that outsource to your home nation, the rising salaries, and more than that, the stability provided by knowing you're not going to be up and replaced because your boss is a punajbi who wants to hire more people from the home country, will attract plenty of top-flight native talent back into the profession. We'll be just fine.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

As usual you get your stats wrong, because if you don't marry to get kids, then you are worse off - single mothers are the greater destructive force:


Asians are even lower than that - out-of wedlock birth rate is the fundamental stat that wreaks the most havoc.


Even more important is who is actually living with two parents and "enjoying that privilege". The cultural marxists could not destroy that enough.

Wonder why no one is talking about the death of Japan despite hundreds of thousands of shut-ins and a super-low fertility rate?

Sure - they don't have the cultural marxism to that degree, but the reason why they will still be Japan is because of lack of mass migration.

And you can all use your SJW-phrases of racist and WRT or whatever - but the fact remains, the people who built the US and Canada, the people who created Europe - they won't have a homecountry.

You are the multicultural Hitler - whether unintended or intended.

And your precious IT skill shortage is bullshit as well, but discussions are useless with you anyway. And I am not even against some minorities, but your hatred of Whites is absolutely clear and apparent - or you will say something like "have more babies motherfucker" or "it won't be so bad". It will be bad and I am just a realist.

I would not even want the best and brightest Europeans to move to Japan and swarm them, because Japan would be gone, but to you it's fine, because "you are paying taxes". And how wonderful that you are now supporting Trudeau cuck and every anti-White anti-Western sentiment out there while campaigning for more mass migration - regardless whether in IT or elsewhere. Guess genocidal mass migration is a human right now.

[Bastard Sword]

This is a separate argument, but a lot of white race trolls like SS love to talk about how non-white immigrants can never really be "American" or "Canadian" or "British". Their points are rarely good to begin with, but this argument takes the cake in terms of sheer unadulterated autism.

The definition of "American" or "Canadian" has changed significantly and repeatedly over the last two hundred years. In the late 1700's, Germans were unwanted -- then it was the Irish, then it was the Italians, then it was Eastern Europeans. Every single one of these groups (the Italians especially) faced dedicated resistance from Anglo Saxon nativists who despised them, did not consider them to be white, and did not want them in the country at all. Here are some choice quotes from said nativists on these ethnic European immigrants:

From the governor of Louisiana as recently as 1911:

Quote:

John Parker, who helped organize the lynch mob, later went on to be governor of Louisiana. In 1911, he said of Italians that they were "just a little worse than the Negro, being if anything filthier in [their] habits, lawless, and treacherous."

So much for a unified "white" America -- Italians were regularly lynched, abused, and looked down for over a hundred years before being incorporated into white America. There were massive KKK protests against their presence here but they still stuck around, assimilated, and became Americans. Now no one is arguing that Italians are not American, despite the fact that there were violent riots over their presence throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries.

The definition of being American or even white has changed significantly over the last two hundred years, to the point where it would have been unrecognizable to the founding fathers even in the 1950's. So when skilled immigrants from non-western nations (and even some semi-western ones like Eastern Europe) join a culture that has already changed constantly and significantly, incorporating new arrivals every couple of decades, it's not remotely the same as immigration into a homogenous and relatively unchanging society like Denmark or Japan. It's hard to bitch about how you're losing your "American identity" when that identity has changed every fifty years or so. The Japanese identity has remained the same for the last millennium, the white American identity reshuffles itself constantly.

The reality is just that many alt-righters, white nationalists, and the like are completely unable to grasp the weaknesses in their own culture, and instead blame them on groups that are significantly more productive and cohesive than they are. Even the charts that Sloppy Seconds posted display white children growing up in wedlock at more than twice the rate of Asians, which just reinforces my point. It's asinine to claim that they're a bigger threat than your own community.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

You have your stupid history wrong - they were just more tribal, but the founding fathers were not. Tens of millions of Germans, Russians and Italians integrated well enough. The ones who got deported were funnily enough Indians who mis-stated their heritage.

Yes - Europeans were more tribal, but that does not mean that they did not recognize a German European as a different race - that is insane.

This is another multicultural civic nationalist bullshit that you are using just as the SJWs. All this crap about some satire journals about the Irish being worse than negroes were just that - satire. The country's leaders still plugged on, but you don't get that. Even your understanding and perception of European tribes and cultures is utterly twisted - wonder why?

Because you want to justify the US and Canada to become multi-racial multi-cultural soups - the same goals that Soros and Trudeau and the other globohomo Merkel-Sweden-cuck groups have. That is all. You are making my point - the destruction of the West will come by guys like you - hehe.

You are even making the point of "no ethnicity belonging in the West" - anyone can be German, anyone can be a Swede and anyone can be an American while the reality is that Europeans built the country.

If I lived in Japan - even for generations - then would I go and tell the Japanese that there is no dominant Japanese ethnicity? Did my European minority ancestors build Japan? No - then I should shut the fuck up, live happily in Japan and bang some Japanese girls.

But I guess for Denmark any Somali and Afghani can call himself a Dane if he gets his welfare for 5 years - then he is a full-blooded Dane. And even if he is a smarter IT workers, then so what? The Nigerian 70yo who gets his pension now in Denmark is a Dane as well. Sure - whatever.

[Faust]

(08-19-2018 05:16 PM)Bastard Sword Wrote:  

So much for a unified "white" America -- Italians were regularly lynched, abused, and looked down for over a hundred years before being incorporated into white America. There were massive KKK protests against their presence here but they still stuck around, assimilated, and became Americans. Now no one is arguing that Italians are not American, despite the fact that there were violent riots over their presence throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries.

What we did with the Italians was let some in, then shut off immigration for something like 40 years to give them a chance to assimilate. By the late 1920s we'd basically shut off immigration, and it stayed that way for half a century. I'd be in favor of doing the same thing now: ending the H1-B program and all other forms of legal immigration, deporting anyone with a green card, and letting anybody with citizenship stay, then keeping it that way until say, 2068 or so.

Right now, India's very clearly not sending its best. We're getting weirdos who think that being 5'11 and 200lbs impresses people, and that's not good for the West at all.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(08-19-2018 05:30 PM)Faust Wrote:  

(08-19-2018 05:16 PM)Bastard Sword Wrote:  

So much for a unified "white" America -- Italians were regularly lynched, abused, and looked down for over a hundred years before being incorporated into white America. There were massive KKK protests against their presence here but they still stuck around, assimilated, and became Americans. Now no one is arguing that Italians are not American, despite the fact that there were violent riots over their presence throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries.

What we did with the Italians was let some in, then shut off immigration for something like 40 years to give them a chance to assimilate. By the late 1920s we'd basically shut off immigration, and it stayed that way for half a century. I'd be in favor of doing the same thing now: ending the H1-B program and all other forms of legal immigration, deporting anyone with a green card, and letting anybody with citizenship stay, then keeping it that way until say, 2068 or so.

Right now, India's very clearly not sending its best. We're getting weirdos who think that being 5'11 and 200lbs impresses people, and that's not good for the West at all.

Plus the 1924 immigration act just gave Europeans - AND EUROPEANS ONLY - special reduced quotas - partly because they wanted the non-Anglo Europeans to integrate into the dominant now American - Anglo-Saxon-derived culture. That's natural. The Austrian K&K empire did the same with the Hungarians, Czechs and Slovaks who settled in their empire - they adapted to the dominant culture and were practically identical to the dominant tribe after a generation.

[Bastard Sword]

(08-19-2018 04:52 PM)Faust Wrote:  

Immigrants drive down wages in tech, and refuse to hire whites when they're in positions of power, preferring to give preferential treatment to their own countrymen. Everybody who's even tangentially related to the tech industry has heard a million horror stories about being outsourced or replaced by H1-Bs, and the struggle that comes with finding a job in the industry, particularly when you're 40+ and have been too busy working a job and raising a family to keep your skills up to date. The smart whites know this is happening, so they refuse to go into tech jobs, preferring to either make it on their own, or go into finance or other professions that aren't as easily outsourced.

Then, when the intelligent whites flee from tech, they say, "Look! You need us, because there's not enough whites to do these jobs!"

Your concern for our economies is appreciated, but don't worry: once we've deported you and slapped serious penalties on companies that outsource to your home nation, the rising salaries, and more than that, the stability provided by knowing you're not going to be up and replaced because your boss is a punajbi who wants to hire more people from the home country, will attract plenty of top-flight native talent back into the profession. We'll be just fine.

The majority of upper middle class whites (at least the ones I knew in college) ended up going into sales, marketing, or some other soft skill field. They weren't geniuses who realized that they would get discriminated against in tech, most of them were just history or political science majors who realized that the only skills they had were soft skills.

You'll never deport anyone or end outsourcing, because rich white execs make too much money off the practice. They're not on your side and never will be. Race trolling and "demographic concerns" mean absolutely nothing in the face of corporate profit.

The lack of white Americans in coding type jobs isn't because they "fled", it's simply because there aren't enough of them that are qualified. The same honestly applies to Latinos and blacks as well.

Of course itfs easier for you to cry racism, but that doesn't reflect economic reality. The realities of the job market have nothing to do with any Jewish conspiracy or "cultural marxism", they're purely dictated by what skills are necessary to keep the machine moving. If there aren't as many of your ethnicity in that field, it's because they don't have the skills, pure and simple.

I'm not "concerned" about you -- just pointing out the hypocrisy of throwing tantrums about Asian immigration while your own culture is getting slowly destroyed by drug issues, mental health issues, and the collapse of the family. Sloppy Seconds' charts were intended to prove me wrong, but they actually did the opposite. It's ludicrous to view a group as being inferior when your own community has 150% more children born out of wedlock, twice the divorce rate (not sure how this is somehow better than being born out of wedlock), and is clearly on the down spiral. This isn't me hating on white people, it's simple fact. The same phenomenon applies to black Americans as well, but then there aren't any black members on here throwing bitch fits about how the problems in their community are somehow the fault of Asian people.

This entire conversation just reinforces points I've made in other threads. The far right is really starting to mirror the far left in terms of its general mentality. Instead of taking responsibility and acknowledging that their culture is going through an existential crises, the various WRTs on this board have instead chosen to throw tantrums and blame others for their problems. This style of argumentation (extremely emotional arguments, strawmen, pointing the finger at others) is really not that different from what SJW's do -- the only difference is in the vocabulary.

[Faust]

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The lack of white Americans in coding type jobs isn't because they "fled", it's simply because there aren't enough of them that are qualified. The same honestly applies to Latinos and blacks as well.

I personally know 3 high-IQ people who didn't go into programming because outsourcing was such an issue. I'm one of them. Went on to make a ton of money though, so don't worry about me.

(08-19-2018 05:44 PM)Bastard Sword Wrote:  

The majority of upper middle class whites (at least the ones I knew in college) ended up going into sales, marketing, or some other soft skill field. They weren't geniuses who realized that they would get discriminated against in tech, most of them were just history or political science majors who realized that the only skills they had were soft skills.

You'll never deport anyone or end outsourcing, because rich white execs make too much money off the practice. They're not on your side and never will be. Race trolling and "demographic concerns" mean absolutely nothing in the face of corporate profit.

We don't need rich white execs on our side, we've got Trump! Here's an article from the India Times whining about how Trump's "You have to go back" policy is causing pain to punjabis and more companies to hire Americans.

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As Trump tightens H1-B visa rules, US companies prefer Americans to fill jobs

In the first half of the year, there has been a 19% increase in companies seeking to employ only candidates with US citizenship or work authorization from the federal government.

Tougher visa regulations imposed by the Trump administration have limited the job prospects for international students who have graduated from US business schools. In the first half of the year, there has been a 19 per cent increase in companies seeking to employ only candidates with US citizenship or work authorization from the federal government, according to a report in The Washington Post, which analysed 25 million job advertisements. The report further states that in 2018, only 47 per cent of US companies have advertised positions accepting international candidates, a drop from 55 per cent in 2017.

And we're just getting started, too. Nationalism is on the rise all across the west, and globalism and outsourcing has hit its high point and is starting to recede. In a few years nobody will even remember what H1-Bs are, and nobody will believe that programming was a predominantly minority profession any more than they believe that it used to be a mostly female one.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(08-19-2018 05:44 PM)Bastard Sword Wrote:  

This entire conversation just reinforces points I've made in other threads. The far right is really starting to mirror the far left in terms of its general mentality. Instead of taking responsibility and acknowledging that their culture is going through an existential crises, the various WRTs on this board have instead chosen to throw tantrums and blame others for their problems. This style of argumentation (extremely emotional arguments, strawmen, pointing the finger at others) is really not that different from what SJW's do -- the only difference is in the vocabulary.

Far right = ANY common sense understanding of any Western nation state up until the 1980s

We don't deny the cultural marxism weakening the West.

But it won't destroy the West. Even communism did not destroy Europeans or the black plague which killed more than half the population. Immigration will destroy it - non-Western immigration.

And you are just using the same SJW arguments that they all use - Whites have no culture, anyone can be British etc.

You are the living example of it - anyone can have a homecountry except for those evil Europeans and Euro-descended - their countries are up for grabs for anyone who pays taxes. Never mind that this happened just since 1965 in the US and 1990s in most of the West while being monolithic for thousands of years. (US and Canada being built by Europeans - Anglo-Saxon dominated - Canada Anglo and French shaped)

You are indeed making the point. Go and demonstrate against the Chinese so that more Muslim refugee centers get erected in the enriching melting-pot of Canada. And seriously - as if all immigrants are IT workers. That's only a tiny portion of the entire flow.

[Bastard Sword]

(08-19-2018 05:26 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

You have your stupid history wrong - they were just more tribal, but the founding fathers were not. Tens of millions of Germans, Russians and Italians integrated well enough.

They integrated so well that they were subject to mass lynchings, viewed as being racially inferior, and formed the entirety of the mafia.

Here's how Sicilians were viewed:

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“Sicilians were viewed by many Americans as culturally backward and racially suspect,” writes historian Manfred Berg. Because of their dark skin, they were often treated with the same contempt as black people. They were also suspected of Mafia connections, and their family networks were closely watched by the New Orleans police.

They sound like they were super well respected and integrated, don't they?

Here's a passage on how the murder of one policeman (alleged to be perpetrated by an Italian) led to hundreds of Italians getting arrested on suspicion:

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His assassination—and accusation—fanned the flames of anti-Italian sentiment in New Orleans. Police rounded up hundreds of Italians, even those who didn’t seem to be associated with the attack. Local papers fueled the fire, demanding justice and declaring nine men who were arrested on suspicion of a connection to the murder guilty before they were even tried.

I'm sure those cops were definitely thinking about white solidarity when they impounded hundreds of random people who came from a different European country. This culminated in the worst mass lynching in American history:

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A smaller group of armed men stormed the prison, grabbing not just the men who had been acquitted or given a mistrial, but several who had not been tried or accused in the crimes. Shots rang out—hundreds of them. Eleven men’s bodies were riddled with bullets and torn apart by the crowd.

People like Sloppy Seconds love to sweep things like this under the rug. They'll make excuses and tell you that "Europeans were more tribal then, but they were still plugged in and had solidarity! America pre-1965 was a white utopia which you brown people ruined!" The reality is that groups like the Italians absolutely were not considered white, were generally despised, and were subject to persecution. After a long period of this persecution, they were eventually incorporated into white America.

This whole process just illustrates my point that the white American identity is not nearly as solid and unmoveable as the Ukranian identity, to give you an example, or the Japanese identity. These are cultures that have remained ethnically and culturally homogenous for hundreds if not thousands of years. The white American identity, obviously, is not. Claiming that only white people can be American is retarded when you consider that many of those "white" people wouldn't even have been considered white a hundred years ago.

No matter how well educated and put together a Nigerian guy is, he will never be Ukrainian, Armenian, or Japanese -- because these homogenous cultures with set identities that have not changed and probably never well. However he can easily become American because that identity is far more flexible, as history has repeatedly shown. The Italians are just one example of a group who has experienced this.

[Bastard Sword]

(08-19-2018 06:02 PM)Faust Wrote:  

We don't need rich white execs on our side, we've got Trump! Here's an article from the India Times whining about how Trump's "You have to go back" policy is causing pain to punjabis and more companies to hire Americans.

Unfortunately for you, a lot of Indian green card holders seem to "have" Trump as well:

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President Donald Trump today asked US lawmakers to vote for an immigration bill which among other things would end the agonising green card wait for Indian Americans and promote immigration that would enable a much smoother and faster process for legal migration of qualified professionals from countries like India.

Trump needs people like you for votes, but the economy and the country need people who actually contribute a useful skill -- which is why he's making things easier for green card holders.

Trump may be seeking a slightly more streamlined immigration policy that gives Americans a better shot while still making it easier for skilled immigrants to make their way over. This still won't really stop big companies from outsourcing labor, building new campuses in Bangalore, or even continuing to bring in H1Bs -- sure it may get slightly curtailed, but it's still the workhorse of the modern IT space.

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And we're just getting started, too. Nationalism is on the rise all across the west, and globalism and outsourcing has hit its high point and is starting to recede. In a few years nobody will even remember what H1-Bs are, and nobody will believe that programming was a predominantly minority profession any more than they believe that it used to be a mostly female one.
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Why? Because all those poor marginalized white tech genuises will come flooding back?

Anyone intelligent with a comp sci aptitude is already working in tech, that's just the way it is. Even then there's still a massive demand for Comp Sci majors and for more STEM talent -- which implies that there's a shortage and that they'll take anyone who has the chops. I've worked in recruiting and we gladly took on white Americans, Latinos, and Eastern Europeans who knew what they were doing. These people had an incredibly easy time finding contract or full time positions. The reality is just that there are more Indians and Asians with the technical aptitude to do these jobs. If you don't like it, work harder. Or encourage your friends and family to go into STEM and bust ass. Pointing the finger and bitching about how those evil minorities are holding you down is absolutely pathetic.

[T and A Man]

No, but the less than brilliant white people will displace the hordes of less than brilliant Indians.

No need to import mediocrity.

And if we're talking about finger pointing, tell us why India isn't a developed country?

[Dusty]

Look at all these IRTs, Chinamen and Somalians:

[rudebwoy]

^great example, but the moon landing was fake.

[Bastard Sword]

(08-19-2018 07:12 PM)T and A Man Wrote:  

No, but the less than brilliant white people will displace the hordes of less than brilliant Indians.

No need to import mediocrity.

It's not about mediocrity...

It's about having a necessary and useful skill.

There are almost three times as many Asian American STEM graduates as there are white STEM gradutes. On top of that, China, India, Russia, and Iran produced almost 8.3 million STEM graduates between them to the U.S' 570,00 or so:



It's a complete no brainer why people from these countries dominating the IT space -- it's because collectively there are almost fifteen times as many of them graduating with STEM skills per year. What's more, these STEM skills are in massive demand by U.S based companies -- which is why so many of them are able to come to America.

On top of that white Americans are only 17 % of all American STEM graduates.



If there were millions of white American coders graduating every year, then it would be possible to completely end our reliance on foreign labor. Unfortunately, there aren't. You have maybe one hundred thousand white STEM graduates per year entering a field with millions of open jobs.

This means that if you completely removed all immigrant labor from the workforce, tried to persecute legal immigrants, end green cards etc, some of the biggest companies in the world would completely stop running. The economy would fall flat on its face and the country would descend into chaos. I think we all know this, but of course, we can't have those Chinese messing with our perfect Anglo Saxon communities.

India's in one of the lowest points it's been in history. Let's flip the script a little, and ask ourselves what Europeans were doing when the Indus Valley civilization was building organized cities in 2000 B.C, or especially what Northern Europeans were doing while Indians were building monuments like this:



I think that at the time this was being built, most of Europe looked something like this -- getting burned to the ground by the ancestors of the Anglo Saxons:



There have been a multitude of periods where India was on the same level as west, and several eras when it had a higher level of situation. At any of those times, they would have been justified in looking at the west and wondering why those dumb fucks hadn't invented civilization or were busy slaughtering each other for no reason.

[iop890]

(08-19-2018 07:50 PM)Bastard Sword Wrote:  

On top of that white Americans are only 17 % of all American STEM graduates.

That's not what your chart is saying.

[Faust]

These are some quality arguments.

"Whites are too dumb to program computers, you need us."
"Without Indian immigrants, your favorite giant, soulless corporations won't be able to operate."
"You can't stop us. It doesn't matter what you think: the wealthy want us to help line their pocketbooks."

If there's three things voters love, it's rich people who don't care what they think, giant soulless corporations and being called stupid!

If the rest of the pro-immigration side is as dim as Bastard Sword is, the Great Going-Backening will be here even sooner than anticipated, and be even more brutal than I thought.

[godfather dust]

(08-18-2018 03:13 PM)Lowkey Wrote:  

Canada wasn't originally inhabited by Anglo-saxons, irish and blacks to begin with. New world countries are created due to immigration. Why can some people migrate and others can't. The chinese pump in billions of dollars in the canadian economy, So it's not like they haven't contributed something positive in to Canadian economy.

No we didn't "immigrate" we colonized and conquered making the land rightfully ours. Now those of us loyal to our countries feel we shouldn't let people in who intend to do the same.

[Thot Leader]

(08-19-2018 08:16 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

(08-18-2018 03:13 PM)Lowkey Wrote:  

Canada wasn't originally inhabited by Anglo-saxons, irish and blacks to begin with. New world countries are created due to immigration. Why can some people migrate and others can't. The chinese pump in billions of dollars in the canadian economy, So it's not like they haven't contributed something positive in to Canadian economy.

No we didn't "immigrate" we colonized and conquered making the land rightfully ours. Now those of us loyal to our countries feel we shouldn't let people in who intend to do the same.

And cleared the land, and grew the food, and built all of the things. That's why people want to come here now, for the things.

[Bastard Sword]

(08-19-2018 08:09 PM)Faust Wrote:  

These are some quality arguments.

"Whites are too dumb to program computers, you need us."
"Without Indian immigrants, your favorite giant, soulless corporations won't be able to operate."
"You can't stop us. It doesn't matter what you think: the wealthy want us to help line their pocketbooks."

If there's three things voters love, it's rich people who don't care what they think, giant soulless corporations and being called stupid!

If the rest of the pro-immigration side is as dim as Bastard Sword is, the Great Going-Backening will be here even sooner than anticipated, and be even more brutal than I thought.

This seems to be a difficult concept for you to grasp. Let me spell it out slowly.

You need millions of people with general comp sci skills for the majority of the large companies on earth to operate at a basic level. You know, those things that provide employment and sustenance for hundreds of millions of people across the world, provide millions of dollars in tax revenue, and feed millions of people across the world. This isn't just monoliths like Facebook and Google, it's also companies like Danone, Nestle, Coca Cola, etc. Literally every large body that provides a service anywhere in the world needs an IT arm that can support it.

Obviously, most of these people are going to come from China and India, because for whatever reason those countries invested more into STEM education. A smaller minority are going to come from Russia and Iran, who despite having less population together than the entire U.S still produce 160% of the STEM graduates that America does.

Even within America, white Americans are minority of STEM graduates, with maybe 100,000 per year graduating and entering the workforce.

It's not a question of intelligence. It's just a question of who can maintain the systems that make the modern world function. Just going off of sheer numbers, the majority are going to be Chinese or Indian. Even the number of Russians and Iranians will dwarf the number of white Americans by a massive factor.

It's not that "the wealthy want us to line their pocketbooks", it's just that people from these backgrounds are completely necessary to make business possible at a basic level. Like I said earlier, there aren't millions of white STEM graduates milling around unemployed.

This is a really easy concept to grasp. It has nothing to do with race, and doesn't need to hurt your feelings. It's just a demographic and economic reality.

[Faust]

That's a risk the American voter will willingly take. (And Canada too, in a few years. Nationalism is making a comeback everywhere, not just the US and Europe.)

But hey, look on the bright side. When you and all the other "indispensable" tech workers are deported, you'll be going back to an India that's a massive economic superpower thanks to all those returning STEM graduates, right? So it's not all bad news.