[DarkTriad]

(08-08-2018 07:07 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Fair enough but your job makes up so much of your life and even your lifestyle.

I was not talking about leading it or even her knowing but every job brings with it a certain lifestyle. There is a reason you don't see too many software engineers and Accountants living that kind of a life. Once again a chicken egg debate but so many of these guys are normal cool guys who have the social skills.

At this point, what do I know. My judgment is clouded with a lot of bias because of what I am around daily in the white collar world. I see these young men who have money, above average looks and so much going for them settle down into a marriage or live unfulfilling sex lives to where I wonder what it is. Maybe it goes back to the point of how the corporate world can crush you on the inside as a poster mentioned earlier.

All I could do now is give myself to this forum and others on it like Comte, there is a reason they're as respected as they are.

The discussion we should be having is how a man can build a nice successful white collar career yet still have the kind of success with hot girls that DJs and bartenders do.

Charisma and game are one thing but I am talking more about access and actually building out your social crew.

Well said.

[godzilla]

(08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

I'll offer my perspective as someone who comes from the white collar world which is full of young men that are financially well off and doing well in so many ways. The reality is that it is extremely rare to find players in that world compared to the DJ, bartender and photographer world. Now this can turn into a chicken or egg debate, do guys working in nightlife naturally gravitate towards the hedonistic lifestyle or does working in nightlife push them into it?

An excellent point was made on this thread about women wanting to belong to a certain world or belong to a certain scene. Girls fuck DJs like the story which Noir shared because they see what that lifestyle is about, it gives them glamour and these guys naturally have access to that kind of a scene with attractive women.

But the reason Hank is so well loved is the question that alludes most of us on here working white collar jobs, how the hell can you even get anything close to that?

There is nothing cool about software engineering.

There is nothing cool about big 4 accounting.

There is nothing cool about consulting or finance.

I lucked out due to good roommates right out of college but I find that outside of those social connections, it is damn near impossible to get any sort of success going to where you can fuck hot girls somewhat regularly.

Comte said a "real job" and a social life but we are talking about the kind of social life that leads to you fucking hot girls or having around the same level of success as a DJ or bartender.

That kind of social life, especially in the US, is extremely difficult to build.

Most Meetup groups are trash full of fatties and losers.

Most hobby groups are for that hobby alone and won't get you that sort of a social life.

Most activities you see through Meetup and other events are trash when it comes to getting the hedonistic lifestyle.

Lots of people out there look down on the drinking and partying lifestyle after college which DJs and Bartenders have an access to.

Most people just suck when it comes to helping you get that kind of lifestyle.

And just making friends in the industry is its own bag of worms.

Why would some bartender at a high end nightclub want to be friends with some software engineer?

Why would some DJ want to be friends with some random white collar guy?

These guys don't have a reason to make friends with random people unless those random people can get them status in their world. A bartender is only going to make friends with you if he feels that you can get him a job at a better bar, same with a DJ who feels that you can help him get discovered.

And on your own, it is tough to build that kind of status with hot girls regardless of your game.

You'll never be able to sell the idea to a hot girl at a nightclub that coding is cool and your lifestyle can compete with that of a DJ.

That is the appeal of these professions to where guys making good money like me have even fantasized about quitting to work in nightlife, you already have some sort of status built in even if you are the help. She rather fuck a bartender that can barely make rent over an engineer living well because engineers are "not cool".

But I am done with the complaining, I rather learn the hows than the whys.

I cannot think of how someone who works 40-60 hours a week at an office job can potentially build the kind of lifestyle that gets him that sort of status. Even if he travels or does other things, it is tough as nails to build the lifestyle that gets you a lot of sexy women.

I've seen the women in the white collar world, they're a bunch of harpies looking for a free meal ticket. They're not looking to smash for the night and leave or hang out to party, they're schemers looking to see who they can divorce rape.

If guys feel like Hank is so wrong, they should be offering more examples of what an engineer or others in those sorts of jobs can do to fuck a shit ton of fine pussy because the way I see it, it is almost impossible to compete with someone like a DJ in that regard.

This post is such a loser mentality in my opinion. I fucked two or three hot girls when I was unemployed in Philly. And there's definitely nothing cool about that.

"Why would some bartender at a high-end nightclub want to be friends with some software engineer?"

Because no one wants to fucking tend bar their whole life, he might need to build him a website for his own fucking business.

I've also been doing software for the past few years. You have to make your job sound cooler than it is. The fact that YOU think your job is not cool is why people don't your job is cool....You're not a software engineer! You build shit. You make the fucking internet. Tell bitches you built the iPhone, bitches love iPhone.

[Diop]

(08-08-2018 08:26 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

(08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

I'll offer my perspective as someone who comes from the white collar world which is full of young men that are financially well off and doing well in so many ways. The reality is that it is extremely rare to find players in that world compared to the DJ, bartender and photographer world. Now this can turn into a chicken or egg debate, do guys working in nightlife naturally gravitate towards the hedonistic lifestyle or does working in nightlife push them into it?

An excellent point was made on this thread about women wanting to belong to a certain world or belong to a certain scene. Girls fuck DJs like the story which Noir shared because they see what that lifestyle is about, it gives them glamour and these guys naturally have access to that kind of a scene with attractive women.

But the reason Hank is so well loved is the question that alludes most of us on here working white collar jobs, how the hell can you even get anything close to that?

There is nothing cool about software engineering.

There is nothing cool about big 4 accounting.

There is nothing cool about consulting or finance.

I lucked out due to good roommates right out of college but I find that outside of those social connections, it is damn near impossible to get any sort of success going to where you can fuck hot girls somewhat regularly.

Comte said a "real job" and a social life but we are talking about the kind of social life that leads to you fucking hot girls or having around the same level of success as a DJ or bartender.

That kind of social life, especially in the US, is extremely difficult to build.

Most Meetup groups are trash full of fatties and losers.

Most hobby groups are for that hobby alone and won't get you that sort of a social life.

Most activities you see through Meetup and other events are trash when it comes to getting the hedonistic lifestyle.

Lots of people out there look down on the drinking and partying lifestyle after college which DJs and Bartenders have an access to.

Most people just suck when it comes to helping you get that kind of lifestyle.

And just making friends in the industry is its own bag of worms.

Why would some bartender at a high end nightclub want to be friends with some software engineer?

Why would some DJ want to be friends with some random white collar guy?

These guys don't have a reason to make friends with random people unless those random people can get them status in their world. A bartender is only going to make friends with you if he feels that you can get him a job at a better bar, same with a DJ who feels that you can help him get discovered.

And on your own, it is tough to build that kind of status with hot girls regardless of your game.

You'll never be able to sell the idea to a hot girl at a nightclub that coding is cool and your lifestyle can compete with that of a DJ.

That is the appeal of these professions to where guys making good money like me have even fantasized about quitting to work in nightlife, you already have some sort of status built in even if you are the help. She rather fuck a bartender that can barely make rent over an engineer living well because engineers are "not cool".

But I am done with the complaining, I rather learn the hows than the whys.

I cannot think of how someone who works 40-60 hours a week at an office job can potentially build the kind of lifestyle that gets him that sort of status. Even if he travels or does other things, it is tough as nails to build the lifestyle that gets you a lot of sexy women.

I've seen the women in the white collar world, they're a bunch of harpies looking for a free meal ticket. They're not looking to smash for the night and leave or hang out to party, they're schemers looking to see who they can divorce rape.

If guys feel like Hank is so wrong, they should be offering more examples of what an engineer or others in those sorts of jobs can do to fuck a shit ton of fine pussy because the way I see it, it is almost impossible to compete with someone like a DJ in that regard.

This post is such a loser mentality in my opinion. I fucked two or three hot girls when I was unemployed in Philly. And there's definitely nothing cool about that.

"Why would some bartender at a high-end nightclub want to be friends with some software engineer?"

Because no one wants to fucking tend bar their whole life, he might need to build him a website for his own fucking business.

I've also been doing software for the past few years. You have to make your job sound cooler than it is. The fact that YOU think your job is not cool is why people don't your job is cool....You're not a software engineer! You build shit. You make the fucking internet. Tell bitches you built the iPhone, bitches love iPhone.

This is a great point which others may be overlooking. For those who think being a software engineer, a lawyer, or an accountant makes you undesirable as far as forming connections/friendships with bartenders, DJ's, bouncers, etc., you have to keep in mind that the universal language that everyone speaks - self interest.

When I was first getting my business up and running, many of my earliest clients were bartenders and servers (male and female) who I chatted with at my favorite establishments. It was all surface level at first, but once they found out what I did for a living several of them came my way for tax advice and preparation when they needed some help.

Once I helped them out, (besides becoming loyal clients of mine) they'd hook me up with free drinks, preferential treatment at their bars/clubs, and a bouncer client even let me cut ahead of the really long lines whenever he was working the door at a popular spot on Saturday nights whenever I was around. I formed good friendships with some of them, which opened the door to social circles that otherwise wouldn't have been available had I not helped them professionally. And yes, many of these guys (and girls) hung out with copious amounts of the elusive hot young chicks in their 20's mentioned throughout this discussion.

This was all several years ago and I don't really hang out at these spots much anymore, but my point is that even though you might not have a "sexy" type of job, it's not really that difficult to form connections with the guys many people in this thread are claiming are the pussy slayers. You just have to be a cool guy and offer them some value in return.

EDIT - Also forgot to agree with the point about making your "boring" job sound a lot cooler than it is. I don't tell girls I'm an accountant, I tell them I have my own firm that protects people from being extorted by the Feds . Hey, it's worked on some girls in the past....

[Dalaran1991]

While I agree with Comte, Papaya and the other vets here, honestly I can’t fault Hank for catering to the lowest common denominator of the forum. I believe that the fact that he’s got a lot of reps and his threads are the most commented on by both newbs and vets alike really do say something about the current state of RVF.

-This forum is not easy for newbies to navigate. Our rules are too lax so we have plenty of trolls. It’s very hard to browse through the contents because there’s no stickies threads. Shit I’ve been here for 4 years and sometimes I struggle to find Comte’s datasheet on social circle or Vinny’s on Tinder, etc. So it makes sense that people love it when a guy with some baseline game level and good writing skills put down a bunch of list and market it as “game”. It’s like 50 Shades being sold as BDSM and it fucking sells with the chicks who have no idea what BDSM is about, while the insider people hate that book.

-Hank provides an easy to follow solution that deep down inside all guys want, because it doesn’t ask you to confront the real fear/insecurities. Better your look, lifestyle, be social, let girls come to you passively, take girls on dates. This used to be what all a guy needed to get a girl. And most guys who are not retarded can easily do this and get some results.

But none of this is game. Where are the escalation ladder? Where are the cold readings? Where are the emotional stimulation? Where are the verbals? How to override her fear/desire to turn them to your advantage? None of what Hank preaches even remotely deal with game, and it’s dangerous especially if he’s selling it as the end game. There’s nothing you can do if you are short, no tattoo and no bartender. Shit, add in that you are non-white and I might as well cut off my dick and go home.

The sad thing is that what he preaches here is basically what the forum is preaching these days, barring a few threads (the Black Man game thread is dope) Forum’s advice these days coming down to “do what you can, approach girl, if the slightest thing goes wrong => next”. What are people supposed to learn from that? Of course lifestyle game is trendy because working on lifestyle allows guys to avoid dealing with their real problem: their lack of game. Which brings me to my next point:

-The vets no longer post anymore. Many of our best posters are either gone or banned. The rests if they hang around they no longer do much other than anti-trolling and some wisdom here and there. It’s deliciously ironic that it has taken Hank to write this fake game thread to lure out the golden posters. Just for the post from Noir, Papaya and Comte above it’s enough for me to justify Hank starting BS thread. Still waiting for Papaya’s part 2 on how to utilize a girl’s fear and desire. That’s fucking game. And Comte needs to update his Social Circle datasheet

But I understand perfectly why they no longer post or want to post, because the forum is no longer what it was. People are in no way obligated to contribute. The age of the datasheet is over.

If you want to learn game, head over to NextASF. This forum stopped being a game forum since Roosh went political. It has become a general men forum, for better or for worse. Use RVF to pick the brain of the geniuses we have here.

[HankMoody]

Let's be frank here...

I am not a pickup artist. I don't write pickup books for a living. I'm just a regular guy who sometimes out kicks the punt coverage. I'm no guru or messiah, that's for sure.

A few years ago, I couldn't get laid to save my life. I had about three lays before getting married. Then I got divorced.

After doing this stuff for five years, I can now talk to girls in a bar pretty well. Sometimes they go home with me, sometimes they eat their nachos and go home with no Hank included. There are nights when I'm like "I can't believe I went home with her!" And of course, there are nights when I'm like "I can't believe I went home with her..." (Then there are nights where it's just me, the cat, and Playstation.)

But, I walked into a bar alone today next to my office. The bartender was like "I know you! You're usually here with a few cute ladies." I laughed. Good stuff. Maybe my game is improving. Who knows?

I try and write stuff for guys like me, who want to get get better with women, but aren't going to dedicate their lives to it, either. None of it is probably profound. Go to the gym, dress better, have physical hobbies, camp, leave your office and work in public places, don't waste your money on expensive cars, etc. If there is deeper stuff than that, consult an "expert", I guess. What works for me is pretty basic.

I hate to break it to you, but none of this stuff is rocket science. All the stuff about "freeze outs", IOIs, it's too much fo me. I like to keep things real simple and fun.

I guess if you guys are looking for a dude who slays dimes every single night with nothing but sly spit, it's not me.

But I do well for myself, and I have a lot of really good females in my life. I'm happy with everything. I own a house, I'm surrounded by cool people, and I don't go for a day or two without sex.

What I try and write about is what works for me.

[Noir]

^^ Don't be discouraged, you can put out whatever and if it helps and resonates with others then that's great. People here took issue with the 'FAQ' and 'modern game'.

If someone takes value from this then you're doing fine. This is why it's newbs responsibility to do due diligence and also try stuff for themselves. If you are happy and that works for you then excellent. It's obvious it makes you happy because you want to share it and I commend that, this is a forum. Not a guide. We're not getting paid to write stuff.


To get good you need to dedicate time and money, if status is your goal. Getting laid just requires time and money, assuming you have a good framework (healthy, fit, successful).

I have to share that I had the strongest connection with a woman in 4 years last night and it really blew away my 'stereotypes'. My housemate is good friends with this instagram model (9) who does promos, 10k followers etc.

She has a friend back from overseas (4k followers, 8) who is sailing across the world.

We invite them over to make some pizzas, we had the set up going with some music, cards against humanity and whatever else as I am expecting them to have the attention span of a goldfish.

They ended up teaching us how to make pizza, they outsmoked us (joints) and set the bar high with deep conversations about men and women etc.

Super down to earth, I connected with this girl amazingly (she is a things person) and just ramped the flirting up to the point where I had to just tell her straight up "just tell me something terrible about you, I am done with your showing off". She whips out her foot which has two toes attached and asks me to touch them.

Guys on this forum will tell you 8s and 9s won't do this because they're frigid, just want bottle service, flock to money etc.

It's relative. This girl is filthy rich and has a baller lifestyle (family money) but when you get them in your zone then it's on. They're not all Russian but yes, women want this. Especially the hot, poorer ones climbing the social ladders.

It's curious to note, how different my experience with these turbo insta girls have been, meeting them out vs being introduced via social circle.

This just drives the point home further.

I didn't bang, I didn't make out but we had a solid connection. Many guys here will scoff at that.

This is also another element of social circle, unless you're out and pumping them with booze and moving locations, if it's a double date at your place, it's not always 'feasible'. Sure, it could have progressed but it wasn't natural in my opinion and that's fine. I am not the type to force things or rush things immediately.

I have been missing the connection, not the banging so this felt natural and I was 'swept off my feet'.


Lessons here:

- Stop pedestalizing the instagram models and employing a rigid idea of them (every guy does this). I noticed myself doing this is the first 5 minutes while I sussed them out and realized to tone the game down because they're in my place. Cheeky + comfort + touching = attraction
- Social circle is the best way in as you are vouched for -> they talk about guys and literally the 'inner circle' who they know from life and the 'creepers' who they know from instagram
- Game is required, the emotional rollercoaster, touching and building sexual tension (status gets them here but the game will differentiate you)
- Skip the vanilla dates and employ the first date method with these girls because it sets you apart (thanks RVF)
- Never judge a book by it's cover. This girl has a travel blog, is supremely intelligent and down to earth.

Another thing, you don't need to rush the bang always in my opinion. I can agree with Hank on the 3 dates but it's all about what's calibrated and natural with the flow of the evening.

You need to bang if you make out and take her home sure, but until then, first the first 2 dates you direct the sexual tension. There is a point of no return.

Moral of the story: I could have applied modern methods of seeking out women like this or do the long term approach of keeping people in my life who know girls like this and you're auto-categorized as a guy who is 'safe' and 'gets it'.

Game remains the same but the avenues have switched. Modern = tinder, insta whatever where you have a limited chance of projecting your aura.

Especially non-verbals. Takeaways, snarky laughs, touching.

You gotta wait to see her to isolate and run comfort whereas through this 'method' you just do it and connect.

Spending time with guys who are 'in' with these groups is far beneficial to banging the upper echelon than a shotgun online approach.

It just needs time, charisma and most importantly, you letting your hate at the door and thinking "what can I learn from this guy" instead of "fuck this guy, what makes him so special".

Every guy has a specialty and figure out who can improve you. Chances are they know women who can be special when you give them a chance.

Giving her a chance. Let that sink in. Remember, I am not looking but I am open to auditions.

The sheer negativity on this forum alludes that guys are not giving girls a chance to be their best selves but rather anticipating them to be a bitch or a stereotype.

She left a tassel from one of her shoes in my room.

Of course I will take a photo and demand ransom, playfully and pick up from where we left off last night. I have more success with flirting via text than solely logistics.

I have no qualms about messaging a girl the next day because if I enjoyed your company then I will be congruent and let you know what's up.

Tomorrow night, I am housesitting a pretty sick pad where I will invite some friends (bring these 2 in to my circle) and have some wine, board games, make some food and basically set it up again.

This won't resonate with most but hey, for first time in 4 years I am keen on a connection I made with a girl over banging. She's here for 3 weeks so it's inevitable.

[General Stalin]

I think it would help to define what actually are the "frequently asked questions" about game today?

Who is curious about the actual differences of picking up women in today's dating climate versus 5 or 10 years ago?

Let's talk about the major differences we have seen (in America) with dating in the past several years:

-Women are more sexually loose
-Women want commitment less
-Female independence and career/adventure/lifestyle is more and more glorified
-Online dating has become incredibly mainstream
-Traditional online dating platforms have been mostly replaced with swipe-style cell phone apps that are designed for quicker interaction and meetups
-Internet and social media has added a lifestyle-element that can help or hurt you

I would go so far as to say that failure to adopt new technologies and social-media trends is essentially leaving pussy on the table. I know guys who fuck girls by meeting them on Instagram and Snapchat. I don't use either of those, but if I did it's just another new avenue for me to meet women, especially younger girls in the 18-24 bracket.

Being an attractive guy who has his shit together, is socially calibrated, confident, and knows how to chop it up and charm people isn't new. It's like a bespoke suit - that shit is timeless and will always work. But doing something more bold and trendy can really "wow" some people and get heads turning.



Modern Game is about diversifying your options.

Going out to the bar/club to meet women is not the only way to do it anymore. You can practically mail order women with a tight online footprint and/or killer pics and text game for swipe apps. Adopting technology is a new way to get pussy that has emerged in the past 5-10 years.

On that bit about women being more independent and career/lifestyle oriented. Well, to use that to your advantage. It's important to realize women aren't generally worried about having a future with you - they care about how interesting you are, not how stable and lucrative your job is. They care about being interesting and having fun. They aren't sizing your up for marriage. Capitalize on that. Things are far more casual these days than ever before, and quicker.

[DonnyGately]

(08-08-2018 07:07 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Fair enough but your job makes up so much of your life and even your lifestyle.

I was not talking about leading it or even her knowing but every job brings with it a certain lifestyle. There is a reason you don't see too many software engineers and Accountants living that kind of a life. ...My judgment is clouded with a lot of bias because of what I am around daily in the white collar world. I see these young men who have money, above average looks and so much going for them settle down into a marriage..

The discussion we should be having is how a man can build a nice successful white collar career yet still have the kind of success with hot girls that DJs and bartenders do.

Charisma and game are one thing but I am talking more about access and actually building out your social crew.

There are plenty of girls who are interested in finance; at least the subset of finance that involves actually managing the money [not sales, not insurance]. Girls are always ALWAYS interested in money and the men who know how to take money and make lots more of it.

I never want to bring up my job but ~75% of girls want to at least talk about it and learn more about what they should be doing. To be clear, this is not responsible for my success with women but the confidence you get from being successful at running a fund, plus the pecuniary benefits that go with it give you the ability to live a more interesting life -- travel, etc, fine dining, gambling, spontaneous events. Have something exciting to discuss.

You still have to have charisma and a social crew never hurts either. The way to be white collar and have success with 20y thots who go clubbing is to put yourself out there, daygame, nightgame, online, social circle. Get the bartender to introduce *you* to the girls who just walked in.

If you don't have that kind of setup in your life by the time you're a successful man, you deserve the beta life and wife that goes along with it. I've already met 3 new girls this week and meeting 2 more college girls by Sat night. It's the middle of summer, take a day off and go hunting, hit the coffee shops, strip clubs, bars, parks, whatever.

[godzilla]

(08-08-2018 09:16 PM)Diop Wrote:  

(08-08-2018 08:26 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

(08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

I'll offer my perspective as someone who comes from the white collar world which is full of young men that are financially well off and doing well in so many ways. The reality is that it is extremely rare to find players in that world compared to the DJ, bartender and photographer world. Now this can turn into a chicken or egg debate, do guys working in nightlife naturally gravitate towards the hedonistic lifestyle or does working in nightlife push them into it?

An excellent point was made on this thread about women wanting to belong to a certain world or belong to a certain scene. Girls fuck DJs like the story which Noir shared because they see what that lifestyle is about, it gives them glamour and these guys naturally have access to that kind of a scene with attractive women.

But the reason Hank is so well loved is the question that alludes most of us on here working white collar jobs, how the hell can you even get anything close to that?

There is nothing cool about software engineering.

There is nothing cool about big 4 accounting.

There is nothing cool about consulting or finance.

I lucked out due to good roommates right out of college but I find that outside of those social connections, it is damn near impossible to get any sort of success going to where you can fuck hot girls somewhat regularly.

Comte said a "real job" and a social life but we are talking about the kind of social life that leads to you fucking hot girls or having around the same level of success as a DJ or bartender.

That kind of social life, especially in the US, is extremely difficult to build.

Most Meetup groups are trash full of fatties and losers.

Most hobby groups are for that hobby alone and won't get you that sort of a social life.

Most activities you see through Meetup and other events are trash when it comes to getting the hedonistic lifestyle.

Lots of people out there look down on the drinking and partying lifestyle after college which DJs and Bartenders have an access to.

Most people just suck when it comes to helping you get that kind of lifestyle.

And just making friends in the industry is its own bag of worms.

Why would some bartender at a high end nightclub want to be friends with some software engineer?

Why would some DJ want to be friends with some random white collar guy?

These guys don't have a reason to make friends with random people unless those random people can get them status in their world. A bartender is only going to make friends with you if he feels that you can get him a job at a better bar, same with a DJ who feels that you can help him get discovered.

And on your own, it is tough to build that kind of status with hot girls regardless of your game.

You'll never be able to sell the idea to a hot girl at a nightclub that coding is cool and your lifestyle can compete with that of a DJ.

That is the appeal of these professions to where guys making good money like me have even fantasized about quitting to work in nightlife, you already have some sort of status built in even if you are the help. She rather fuck a bartender that can barely make rent over an engineer living well because engineers are "not cool".

But I am done with the complaining, I rather learn the hows than the whys.

I cannot think of how someone who works 40-60 hours a week at an office job can potentially build the kind of lifestyle that gets him that sort of status. Even if he travels or does other things, it is tough as nails to build the lifestyle that gets you a lot of sexy women.

I've seen the women in the white collar world, they're a bunch of harpies looking for a free meal ticket. They're not looking to smash for the night and leave or hang out to party, they're schemers looking to see who they can divorce rape.

If guys feel like Hank is so wrong, they should be offering more examples of what an engineer or others in those sorts of jobs can do to fuck a shit ton of fine pussy because the way I see it, it is almost impossible to compete with someone like a DJ in that regard.

This post is such a loser mentality in my opinion. I fucked two or three hot girls when I was unemployed in Philly. And there's definitely nothing cool about that.

"Why would some bartender at a high-end nightclub want to be friends with some software engineer?"

Because no one wants to fucking tend bar their whole life, he might need to build him a website for his own fucking business.

I've also been doing software for the past few years. You have to make your job sound cooler than it is. The fact that YOU think your job is not cool is why people don't your job is cool....You're not a software engineer! You build shit. You make the fucking internet. Tell bitches you built the iPhone, bitches love iPhone.

This is a great point which others may be overlooking. For those who think being a software engineer, a lawyer, or an accountant makes you undesirable as far as forming connections/friendships with bartenders, DJ's, bouncers, etc., you have to keep in mind that the universal language that everyone speaks - self interest.

When I was first getting my business up and running, many of my earliest clients were bartenders and servers (male and female) who I chatted with at my favorite establishments. It was all surface level at first, but once they found out what I did for a living several of them came my way for tax advice and preparation when they needed some help.

Once I helped them out, (besides becoming loyal clients of mine) they'd hook me up with free drinks, preferential treatment at their bars/clubs, and a bouncer client even let me cut ahead of the really long lines whenever he was working the door at a popular spot on Saturday nights whenever I was around. I formed good friendships with some of them, which opened the door to social circles that otherwise wouldn't have been available had I not helped them professionally. And yes, many of these guys (and girls) hung out with copious amounts of the elusive hot young chicks in their 20's mentioned throughout this discussion.

This was all several years ago and I don't really hang out at these spots much anymore, but my point is that even though you might not have a "sexy" type of job, it's not really that difficult to form connections with the guys many people in this thread are claiming are the pussy slayers. You just have to be a cool guy and offer them some value in return.

EDIT - Also forgot to agree with the point about making your "boring" job sound a lot cooler than it is. I don't tell girls I'm an accountant, I tell them I have my own firm that protects people from being extorted by the Feds . Hey, it's worked on some girls in the past....

Great post. This is what I was trying to get at.

In addition, Game and even Life, in general, is about bullshitting a little bit about who you really are. People take it as a sign of confidence.

It's why people lie on their resume about what they really did at company XYZ. Its why so companies would rather have a guy that's full of it instead of a guy who doesn't believe in himself.

I'm surprised a guy like Hank would present his job as so boring. He literally works in an industry (real estate) where "puffing" (bullshit) is basically legalized. Real estate developers are master bullshitters as well.

No one is telling you to outright lie but their's nothing wrong with believing your own bs every so often. Remember as my friend George says, "Its not a lie.. if you believe it."

[kaotic]

Jesus Christ this fucking thread, I don't even know where to begin.

ALOT of the excuses here are self limited and in a man's head.

I'm white collar, I still fuck girls, I still party hard, I still travel, I still lift, I have multiple social circles, and multiple groups of friends.

And some might see this as "limiting" (IRT's I'm looking at you): I'm 5'8 and Indian, I've got not tats, no big dog.

OBVIOUSLY guys can do what I do - sometimes it's a numbers game, sometimes it's luck, but MOSTLY it's fucking putting my goddamn nose to the grinder and putting in work.

Eventually in due time, I started giving a less a fuck of whom I'm seen hanging out with, what I do, and when I do it.

I'm not trying to impress anyone, but I'll share stories/pictures/meals with whom I want, I do whatever makes ME happy.

If you really want something you'll make it fucking happen (within reason).

Whether it's visualizing with an image board, writing out stretch goals, or starting with the little things aka "Sort your self out" - JB God Mode Style.


PS On bartending - would you rather be the bartender? or the guy the bartender that comes to you as soon as he sees you and asks if you want your regular and asks what your date wants?

Be that guy dudes.

Stop making excuses.

Start making shit happen.

If you aren't, then you don't want it bad enough.


STOP WITH THE GODDAMN SELF DEFEATISM

[asdfk]

Godzilla Wrote:

Tell bitches you built the iPhone, bitches love iPhone

Laughed my ass off. You made my day with this one dude. Next time a bitch asks what I do: “I BUILT IPHONE!!!!!”

On a more serious note: any man who shares his tactics here should be applauded. That’s what this section is about.

[a beer is enough]

The reason you don't see as many posts on game about pick up artist and tactics of the sort is because most of us found over the years that the stuff does not work that well. If you want to get hot girls, I mean it might help a bit but there are other things that help a lot more. A lot of us have started to realize that the lifestyle you live and access you have helps a lot more than just knowing a bunch of psychological tricks, not to say they are ineffective but they are not enough on their own.

I know we've gone back and forth with the psych stuff and how Hank has lost his mind but over the years, I've realized something about the guys I knew who got a lot of pussy. The kinds of guys you would find balls deep in a girl with supermodel looks or even the guys you would see spending time with top tier girls.

All along as men we thought you have to be some suave James Bond type or some smooth worldly man, that is far from the truth. Most of the guys these hot girls fuck and the men who are plowing through dimes are far from that. A lot of them aren't the bright minds coming up with technology that is going to change the world, make lives better, cure cancer or anything interesting. These guys are some dude working at a bar, DJ at a nightclub or doofus nightclub promoter.

Its why so many guys on this thread are angry, because it is such a tough pill to swallow.

You invested your life work into doing something that requires brains, creativity, thought and at times even years of education (college, grad school, etc.) only to find that some doofus who mixes drinks is getting more pussy than you. I can relate to that because I have had that same exact angry feeling in my bone.

If you were me, you thought that nice degree and prestigious corporate job would get you something, not a chance!

The feeling you get when you see that sexy 10 at a cafe getting a drink, get blown off by her and then see that some idiot with a basketball jersey and backwards hat who isn't even handsome has her going crazy for him.

I know the feeling that can consume accomplished guys who are well spoken, well educated and cool yet go to a bar to find that some numbskull that doesn't have half the brain they do and won't make that big of an impact on the world is fucking a 10 because he does some "cool" job.

Some of us want to believe it isn't true, we want to believe that there are a group of hot girls out there who would love to fuck a cool Accountant or an educated man with knowledge. While they might exist, they are few far and in-between.

This isn't some FAQ on game, this is a look into the mind of the modern American woman.

She doesn't care for men that can change the world and make a difference in it.

The only depth she cares about is how deep that straw goes in her Pumpkin Spice Frappucino (and I won't even bother to spell that shit right).

She doesn't give two fucks about the conversations she can have, it is all about who can give her the dopamine rush (aka Alcohol and parties) and boost her cool kid status to her friends because the bitch is still stuck in high school popularity contest mode.

Guys like me, we decide it is time to adjust and get with the times. Maybe we bartend on the side and dumb ourselves down for her ditzy ass or we play up the social media image to appeal to her so we can go through our life goal of fucking lots of hot pussy.

But I have my faith in this forum, maybe other guys here are creative. They come up with new methods of getting access and succeeding in modern day USA where your social media followers and parties you can get her into matter more than well, anything else.

[Clint Barton]

Fucking loser. You gave up without even trying.

(08-09-2018 07:36 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

The reason you don't see as many posts on game about pick up artist and tactics of the sort is because most of us found over the years that the stuff does not work that well. If you want to get hot girls, I mean it might help a bit but there are other things that help a lot more. A lot of us have started to realize that the lifestyle you live and access you have helps a lot more than just knowing a bunch of psychological tricks, not to say they are ineffective but they are not enough on their own.

I know we've gone back and forth with the psych stuff and how Hank has lost his mind but over the years, I've realized something about the guys I knew who got a lot of pussy. The kinds of guys you would find balls deep in a girl with supermodel looks or even the guys you would see spending time with top tier girls.

All along as men we thought you have to be some suave James Bond type or some smooth worldly man, that is far from the truth. Most of the guys these hot girls fuck and the men who are plowing through dimes are far from that. A lot of them aren't the bright minds coming up with technology that is going to change the world, make lives better, cure cancer or anything interesting. These guys are some dude working at a bar, DJ at a nightclub or doofus nightclub promoter.

Its why so many guys on this thread are angry, because it is such a tough pill to swallow.

You invested your life work into doing something that requires brains, creativity, thought and at times even years of education (college, grad school, etc.) only to find that some doofus who mixes drinks is getting more pussy than you. I can relate to that because I have had that same exact angry feeling in my bone.

If you were me, you thought that nice degree and prestigious corporate job would get you something, not a chance!

The feeling you get when you see that sexy 10 at a cafe getting a drink, get blown off by her and then see that some idiot with a basketball jersey and backwards hat who isn't even handsome has her going crazy for him.

I know the feeling that can consume accomplished guys who are well spoken, well educated and cool yet go to a bar to find that some numbskull that doesn't have half the brain they do and won't make that big of an impact on the world is fucking a 10 because he does some "cool" job.

Some of us want to believe it isn't true, we want to believe that there are a group of hot girls out there who would love to fuck a cool Accountant or an educated man with knowledge. While they might exist, they are few far and in-between.

This isn't some FAQ on game, this is a look into the mind of the modern American woman.

She doesn't care for men that can change the world and make a difference in it.

The only depth she cares about is how deep that straw goes in her Pumpkin Spice Frappucino (and I won't even bother to spell that shit right).

She doesn't give two fucks about the conversations she can have, it is all about who can give her the dopamine rush (aka Alcohol and parties) and boost her cool kid status to her friends because the bitch is still stuck in high school popularity contest mode.

Guys like me, we decide it is time to adjust and get with the times. Maybe we bartend on the side and dumb ourselves down for her ditzy ass or we play up the social media image to appeal to her so we can go through our life goal of fucking lots of hot pussy.

But I have my faith in this forum, maybe other guys here are creative. They come up with new methods of getting access and succeeding in modern day USA where your social media followers and parties you can get her into matter more than well, anything else.

[kaotic]

Beer, I'm not trying to be harsh but I've gotta drop some truth bombs on you:

(08-09-2018 07:36 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

The reason you don't see as many posts on game about pick up artist and tactics of the sort is because most of us found over the years that the stuff does not work that well. If you want to get hot girls, I mean it might help a bit but there are other things that help a lot more. A lot of us have started to realize that the lifestyle you live and access you have helps a lot more than just knowing a bunch of psychological tricks, not to say they are ineffective but they are not enough on their own.

The whole PUA community is literally a jump off point.

To build confidence
To understand how to game women
To expand on that

Once you get that, you get over the PUA lingo BS and realize there's more to life than pussy.

OF COURSE money and fame aka lifestyle help, that's been a no brainer since we were kids.

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I know we've gone back and forth with the psych stuff and how Hank has lost his mind but over the years, I've realized something about the guys I knew who got a lot of pussy. The kinds of guys you would find balls deep in a girl with supermodel looks or even the guys you would see spending time with top tier girls.

How many guys do you know that are swimming in pussy daily with 9's and 10's?

I can tell you right now, I maybe know literally one, that I hang with on the regular.

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All along as men we thought you have to be some suave James Bond type or some smooth worldly man, that is far from the truth. Most of the guys these hot girls fuck and the men who are plowing through dimes are far from that. A lot of them aren't the bright minds coming up with technology that is going to change the world, make lives better, cure cancer or anything interesting. These guys are some dude working at a bar, DJ at a nightclub or doofus nightclub promoter.

Its why so many guys on this thread are angry, because it is such a tough pill to swallow.

This a mindset you're still not understanding, this is what you "think" is set in stone. You think of it as a jail cell that you can't get out of, yet you have the key.

The whole "brah go be a bartender or promoter" line has been made into a literal walking meme.

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You invested your life work into doing something that requires brains, creativity, thought and at times even years of education (college, grad school, etc.) only to find that some doofus who mixes drinks is getting more pussy than you. I can relate to that because I have had that same exact angry feeling in my bone.

If you were me, you thought that nice degree and prestigious corporate job would get you something, not a chance!

Question: WHY DO YOU GIVE A FUCK WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING?

Seriously comparing your life to someone else's is madness, you don't know what the fuck they did, what the fuck they went through.

A guy whose angry is only burning himself in the end.

If you really were invested in what you were doing with your life's work, you'd wouldn't be bitching about some bartender slaying pussy.

It wouldn't even be an afterthought.

Quote:

The feeling you get when you see that sexy 10 at a cafe getting a drink, get blown off by her and then see that some idiot with a basketball jersey and backwards hat who isn't even handsome has her going crazy for him.

I know the feeling that can consume accomplished guys who are well spoken, well educated and cool yet go to a bar to find that some numbskull that doesn't have half the brain they do and won't make that big of an impact on the world is fucking a 10 because he does some "cool" job.

Some of us want to believe it isn't true, we want to believe that there are a group of hot girls out there who would love to fuck a cool Accountant or an educated man with knowledge. While they might exist, they are few far and in-between.

What are you going to do about it? Cry and hate on the guy who pulled that 10?

Or find your own niche and own style of game and lifestyle to where you can pull the type of pussy you want?

You keep sticking to this victim menetality when you can be SO MUCH MORE.

Quote:

This isn't some FAQ on game, this is a look into the mind of the modern American woman.

She doesn't care for men that can change the world and make a difference in it.

The only depth she cares about is how deep that straw goes in her Pumpkin Spice Frappucino (and I won't even bother to spell that shit right).

She doesn't give two fucks about the conversations she can have, it is all about who can give her the dopamine rush (aka Alcohol and parties) and boost her cool kid status to her friends because the bitch is still stuck in high school popularity contest mode.

IMPROVISE. ADAPT. OVERCOME.

You either sink or swim, PERIOD.

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Guys like me, we decide it is time to adjust and get with the times. Maybe we bartend on the side and dumb ourselves down for her ditzy ass or we play up the social media image to appeal to her so we can go through our life goal of fucking lots of hot pussy.

You still don't get it.

It's not about changing yourself, you can still be yourself, but you need to understand that the life doesn't cater to you, you need to carve your own path.

Why the hell would you get a part time bar job and lose your weekends, lose sleep, lose productivity at your regular job?

How does that make any sense? Or perhaps you need jump ship at your white collar job and find a new path in your career?

If you're obsessed with fucking hot pussy, you've already lost.

You should be obsessed with making yourself a better man in all aspects.

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But I have my faith in this forum, maybe other guys here are creative. They come up with new methods of getting access and succeeding in modern day USA where your social media followers and parties you can get her into matter more than well, anything else.

Social Media doesn't matter approaching a hottie on the street now does it? Weird how that works, you walk up to a girl, game her, get her number, and bang her.

You're stuck in hole you're digging yourself, you have the ladder, you just won't use it.

You have faith in the forum, but you don't have faith in yourself.

That's the core of the problem.

[AneroidOcean]

My comments interspersed below:

(08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

There is nothing cool about software engineering.

There is nothing cool about big 4 accounting.

There is nothing cool about consulting or finance.

They are not inherently cool, but you could say that about a lot of jobs. What are you going to do, give up on getting laid unless you live in nightlife?

(08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

I lucked out due to good roommates right out of college but I find that outside of those social connections, it is damn near impossible to get any sort of success going to where you can fuck hot girls somewhat regularly.

Let's see why:

(08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Comte said a "real job" and a social life but we are talking about the kind of social life that leads to you fucking hot girls or having around the same level of success as a DJ or bartender.

That kind of social life, especially in the US, is extremely difficult to build.

Difficult, but not extremely difficult.

(08-08-2018 09:16 PM)Diop Wrote:  

Most Meetup groups are trash full of fatties and losers.

Most people don't have above average social skills. Most people are fat. Most people are losers. What's your point? Meetup groups can be a beginning to meet people and improve your social skills. If you can't move past meetup groups as a way to meet people, you're not even trying.

(08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Most hobby groups are for that hobby alone and won't get you that sort of a social life.

More negativity/self-defeatism. Hobby/social groups centered around an outgoing, energetic, and social activity will put you in touch with people who are outgoing, energetic, and social. If you expect to meet the highest quality people in a bingo night, prepare to be disappointed.

(08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Most activities you see through Meetup and other events are trash when it comes to getting the hedonistic lifestyle.

Lots of people out there look down on the drinking and partying lifestyle after college which DJs and Bartenders have an access to.

There are a number of adult leagues that cater to the hedonistic lifestyle. Some kind of adult sport along with happy hours and going out afterwards. Again, only an intro, you'd need to capitalize on the best they have to offer and move up from there.

(08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Most people just suck when it comes to helping you get that kind of lifestyle.

And just making friends in the industry is its own bag of worms.

What's your point? Most people are not good connectors or social hubs because there are not that many of them. Become one, meet lots of people and see where you can provide value for the ones who are high value.

Why do we want to meet "most people who suck?" You only want to meet a lot of people to find those of high value.

(08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Why would some bartender at a high end nightclub want to be friends with some software engineer?

Because they both surf or play flag football or share some other common interest.

(08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

These guys don't have a reason to make friends with random people unless those random people can get them status in their world. A bartender is only going to make friends with you if he feels that you can get him a job at a better bar, same with a DJ who feels that you can help him get discovered.

And on your own, it is tough to build that kind of status with hot girls regardless of your game.

Something that is tough but brings reward after reward. Guess it's tough so fuck it, give up.

(08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

You'll never be able to sell the idea to a hot girl at a nightclub that coding is cool and your lifestyle can compete with that of a DJ.

There's only one DJ, there are endless girls. I know coders, insurance guys, project managers, and many other white collar job types that are active, social, and enjoy nightlife and meet women. There's zero value to pointing out that these jobs are generally filled by guys that don't have nightlife/social skills. Just become the exception. Fuck, I worked in the video game industry for years!

(08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

That is the appeal of these professions to where guys making good money like me have even fantasized about quitting to work in nightlife, you already have some sort of status built in even if you are the help. She rather fuck a bartender that can barely make rent over an engineer living well because engineers are "not cool".

But I am done with the complaining, I rather learn the hows than the whys.

No, you're ALL ABOUT the complaining. Say that you're finding something difficult and ask for help, don't write a laundry list of reasons that everything is slanted against you.

(08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

I cannot think of how someone who works 40-60 hours a week at an office job can potentially build the kind of lifestyle that gets him that sort of status. Even if he travels or does other things, it is tough as nails to build the lifestyle that gets you a lot of sexy women.

I've seen the women in the white collar world, they're a bunch of harpies looking for a free meal ticket. They're not looking to smash for the night and leave or hang out to party, they're schemers looking to see who they can divorce rape.

If guys feel like Hank is so wrong, they should be offering more examples of what an engineer or others in those sorts of jobs can do to fuck a shit ton of fine pussy because the way I see it, it is almost impossible to compete with someone like a DJ in that regard.

It's always going to be tough as nails to be around a bunch of hot women all the time. Whether it's through working your ass off to befriend them, or to becoming super successful financially with a decent body and a modicum of game, to becoming a DJ good enough to have notoriety that can pull chicks, none of it is simple.

(08-08-2018 08:26 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

This post is such a loser mentality in my opinion. I fucked two or three hot girls when I was unemployed in Philly. And there's definitely nothing cool about that.

"Why would some bartender at a high-end nightclub want to be friends with some software engineer?"

Because no one wants to fucking tend bar their whole life, he might need to build him a website for his own fucking business.

I've also been doing software for the past few years. You have to make your job sound cooler than it is. The fact that YOU think your job is not cool is why people don't your job is cool....You're not a software engineer! You build shit. You make the fucking internet. Tell bitches you built the iPhone, bitches love iPhone.

Yes, this guy gets it.

(08-08-2018 09:16 PM)Diop Wrote:  

This is a great point which others may be overlooking. For those who think being a software engineer, a lawyer, or an accountant makes you undesirable as far as forming connections/friendships with bartenders, DJ's, bouncers, etc., you have to keep in mind that the universal language that everyone speaks - self interest.

When I was first getting my business up and running, many of my earliest clients were bartenders and servers (male and female) who I chatted with at my favorite establishments. It was all surface level at first, but once they found out what I did for a living several of them came my way for tax advice and preparation when they needed some help.

Once I helped them out, (besides becoming loyal clients of mine) they'd hook me up with free drinks, preferential treatment at their bars/clubs, and a bouncer client even let me cut ahead of the really long lines whenever he was working the door at a popular spot on Saturday nights whenever I was around. I formed good friendships with some of them, which opened the door to social circles that otherwise wouldn't have been available had I not helped them professionally. And yes, many of these guys (and girls) hung out with copious amounts of the elusive hot young chicks in their 20's mentioned throughout this discussion.

This was all several years ago and I don't really hang out at these spots much anymore, but my point is that even though you might not have a "sexy" type of job, it's not really that difficult to form connections with the guys many people in this thread are claiming are the pussy slayers. You just have to be a cool guy and offer them some value in return.

EDIT - Also forgot to agree with the point about making your "boring" job sound a lot cooler than it is. I don't tell girls I'm an accountant, I tell them I have my own firm that protects people from being extorted by the Feds . Hey, it's worked on some girls in the past....

This is a great post by Diop that breaks down just one example.

My buddy is self employed but it's a boring business by and large. He sometimes does higher end/more interesting work, but the main part is pretty boring. He does a good bit of his "office" and menial work out at the local bars/restaurants. He socializes with people regularly.

Does he tell people he's making bids for that boring work? No, he tells them he's selling people and managing his people and invoicing clients. Then he shows the most interesting pictures of the work he does or talks about the most interesting jobs. He meets girls and cool guys all the time this way and also gets more places on lock-down as far as knowing the staff than I do by far.

He's not rich, he's not a male model in looks, he's in okay shape, he's slowly balding (but he's got enough hair to look good with a hat on), but he is very social and totally relaxed/chill. This dude can and has slayed pussy before (currently in a LTR) and he's got nothing that any of you can't achieve. Nothing except a good attitude and game.

[Rhyme or Reason]

(08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

But I am done with the complaining, I rather learn the hows than the whys.

Are you sure?

I wrote a thread about how to get a job as a bartender, you read it, replied to it asking questions, which i and others answered (up until the point it became clear I was wasting my time doing so) and then you come in here and talk more about your hangups of "not being a bartender during college" or something, derail the entire discussion and ruminate endlessly all while your actions indicate you don't want to make any of the changes you think will benefit you so much (which are odd, by the way, if you've got a legit career track going I wouldn't be stressing a bartending gig, regardless of the fringe benefits)

So why don't you go hunt for some barback gigs and report back in my thread about how those interviews go, instead of wasting your time in this thread trying to make some inane point...which is what, by the way..?

[Dulceácido]

Dear Lawd! I've intentionally avoided this thread for a long time, as I do with a lot of the "On" anything threads, for various reasons. Just thought I'd poke my head in and, yep, confirmed my instincts rarely fail me. Whiny-ass shit show, as suspected. I've seen a marked increase of these type threads where the wheels completely fall off the wagon. Usually goes something like:

Succesful Game veteran starts thread to engage in conversation over the "On" whatever topic. Then, to give the thread some direction to go, and to clarify the intent of the thread, dude drops a few "solids" to get things started.

Other vets of the Game offer insight and add more good content.

Newbs, instead of looking at the overall picture, just start sharpshooting specifics, and basically revert back to: "But how does this get me some fine ass pussy every night of my life without me putting in any effort whatsoever?"

Vets explain, "If you invest nothing; you get nothing in return."

Newbs then start whining and complaining, even questioning the validity of some of the advice/suggestions being offered.

Vets get frustrated with the newb's self-deprication, lack of initiative, and overall sense of self-loathing blinded by the newb's desire for a push-button, sure-fire way to just keep knocking down dem 9's and 10's. W00T!

Newbs then (with all the confidence in the world--of which they have none in real life) begin questioning the very things the vets are telling them, as if it were directed at them personally, instead of just a few all-reaching statements posted on a platform to help them in the first place, and expose themselves as basically someone who just wants to "talk" about Game on the interwebs and never take the steps to initiate any path forward in real life. They then pick apart posts piece by piece critiquing (whining) why this would never work for them because of a laundry list of shitty and worthless excuses which fly in the face of all reason...

Vets get pissed off because they simply can't penetrate the pig-thick skin of the newb, but the newb won't stop crying, complaining, whining, and questioning the very advice they're seeking, all along, professing to be a hardcore student of Game and really, really, really badly wanting to learn Game.

Inevitable truth bombs come just before the massive slam session that the newb deserves comes along. The end.
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Why do you newbs think the successful guys are writing this stuff? It's to help YOU and to share ideas with other successful guys. This is not your personalized plan for life that someone laid out just for you. This only illustrates how self-centered you are. It's pathetic and sad.

No amount of Game is going to help you if you are a whiny-ass pussy. None. Zero.

You need to fucking forget about Game and work on yourself. Maybe get a damn life coach or therapist. Game is a tool. It's not the whole fucking garage.

[asdfk]

There’s a difference between “game” and “maintaining and upping your SMV..”

I’ve seen the wonder boys of cold approach absolutely crush it. Usually they do not have a cool life or a cool job.

And I’ve seen many guys with a cool life absolutely suck with women, despite being OK looking and having something to talk about.

For great results you need both.

I assume that the people shitting on psychological tactics went through a phase were they spent a lot of time learning said tactics, had jobs were they learned selling / hospitality or never had difficulties adapting socially.

There’s this arrogance many advanced dudes display. “Yeah, if you just raise your SMV, get a cool job, lift and are normal, she will fuck you.”

Yeahhh, no. Doesn’t work like that bro.

You need to have social skills and the men with high SMV who struggle are on the low end of the normal curve. Even average social guys will struggle.

As your social skills improve, so will your results. If you have great social skills and great SMV, you’ll be slaying it.

If you have amazing social skills you can get away with lower SMV and the other way around. If you have a mansion a certain type of gold digging wh... woman will fuck you. Just as if you have great social skills, a certain type of easily manipul... agreeable woman will fuck you.

Different posters here have different perspectives and I see a lack of dialogue and an abundance of flaming.

TLR: improve your SMV and improve your social skills. If your SMV is high but you don’t get pussy, you lack social skills. If you get laid but they don’t stick around, raise your SMV. Improve your life and how you treat women.

[PapayaTapper]

Hank

It wasn't my intent to come into this thread to rag on you personally. I have enjoyed some of your stories and appreciate your putting them out there

But I feel like the forum in general has lost sight of what "game" actually is and this misnomer-ed thread was a glaring example of that deviation.

I feel its important that discussions of game contain some type of analysis or evaluation in order for it to be of value. There has to be interaction specifics, do's /dont's , best practices, etc...to quoin Black Caesers term "game tech".

The "game" forums are for threads that help men improve on their desired results with women

Otherwise they're just anecdotal musings: Entertaining but not instructive (There is definitely value in that...just not under the guise of "game")

(08-09-2018 04:58 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Let's be frank here...

I am not a pickup artist. I don't write pickup books for a living. I'm just a regular guy who sometimes out kicks the punt coverage. I'm no guru or messiah, that's for sure.

Im not a pick artist either. I for one loath the term "PUA". The connotations of the term are, to me...cheesey and repulsive. You will rarely see me use the jargon.

What I am is a student of life with 30 years experience of pursuing sex with women because I really like sex. Sex is better than no sex

That said there are undeniable principles based in human psychology (specifically females) that the understanding of which enable guys to "out kick the punt coverage" with more frequency and with intent.

(08-09-2018 04:58 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

A few years ago, I couldn't get laid to save my life. I had about three lays before getting married. Then I got divorced.

After doing this stuff for five years, I can now talk to girls in a bar pretty well. Sometimes they go home with me, sometimes they eat their nachos and go home with no Hank included. There are nights when I'm like "I can't believe I went home with her!" And of course, there are nights when I'm like "I can't believe I went home with her..." (Then there are nights where it's just me, the cat, and Playstation.)

How are you talking to girls differently now than you were then?

Is there a common denominator of when you have success?...when you fail?

Is there difference in your results depending on where the girls are sourced from? (night club, social circle, meetups )

Do you get different results from different ages? Backgounds? Personalities? Etc. What are any other significant variables that affect results?

As I posted above: pattern recognition is a powerful tool.

Im currently in an LTR but if I wasn't I know exactly where to go, what type of girl to screen for, how to approach, open, stories to tell, isolate, escalate, arouse, and close with enough certainty that its almost routine.

(08-09-2018 04:58 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

But, I walked into a bar alone today next to my office. The bartender was like "I know you! You're usually here with a few cute ladies." I laughed. Good stuff. Maybe my game is improving. Who knows?

Of course your outcomes are improving. Like anything else repetition creates a "practice effect": a muscle memory as it were. Undoubtedly your confidence has grown and that in of itself is a "game changer" (pun intended). I recently wrote a post about confidence and its power on a girl's attraction responses.

And trial and error is an absolutely valid method of learning. But without comparative analysis its like wandering in the dark with a map in your hand.

Details are the light that enable us to read the map

(08-09-2018 04:58 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

I try and write stuff for guys like me, who want to get get better with women, but aren't going to dedicate their lives to it, either. None of it is probably profound. Go to the gym, dress better, have physical hobbies, camp, leave your office and work in public places, don't waste your money on expensive cars, etc. If there is deeper stuff than that, consult an "expert", I guess. What works for me is pretty basic.

I hate to break it to you, but none of this stuff is rocket science. All the stuff about "freeze outs", IOIs, it's too much fo me. I like to keep things real simple and fun.

I guess if you guys are looking for a dude who slays dimes every single night with nothing but sly spit, it's not me.

But I do well for myself, and I have a lot of really good females in my life. I'm happy with everything. I own a house, I'm surrounded by cool people, and I don't go for a day or two without sex.

What I try and write about is what works for me.

You have a lot to be happy about and proud of. You've carved out a great life for yourself and that's not an easy to do today (Never has been really)

If you want to help other guys then my suggestion then is to start a single "Hank Moody's Journal" thread. Write about specific interactions.

What worked? What didn't?

What have you tried that's new and improved (different)?

Game is about improvement.

Improvement is about change

(08-09-2018 03:45 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Still waiting for Papaya’s part 2 on how to utilize a girl’s fear and desire.

It's coming

[godzilla]

(08-10-2018 09:53 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Im not a pick artist either. I for one loath the term "PUA". The connotations of the term are, to me...cheesey and repulsive. You will rarely see me use the jargon.

What I am is a student of life with 30 years experience of pursuing sex with women because I really like sex. Sex is better than no sex

PUA terminology is too cheesy for me as well but if there was PUA phrase like "tap that papaya". I would definitely be saying it.

[debeguiled]

He just misspelled PattayaTapper.

[a beer is enough]

I might have had the flak coming for making this thread about myself because it resonated so well with me.

Guys want to have their cake and eat it too.

Fact of the matter is I love what I do, it is interesting stuff that requires a degree and a brain to do and I find it interesting. I genuinely take some pleasure in reading some good intellectual works and having in-depth conversations with some friends. Quite a few guys on game communities are like this, that is what drove them to game communities in the first place. They were not hammering shot after shot at the age of 16 and acting like idiots, they actually had intellectual curiosities.

Now there is this idea on this thread that you can be this fulfilled man who is true to his life journey and hot women will come in, this is just not true.

Plenty of smart guys true to their life journey have no luck with hot girls because their journey does not line up with what hot girls find hot. I know we have this whole alpha type of be yourself mindset but this is the male equivalent of a fat bitch telling herself that she is as hot as a supermodel and it is society's beauty standard that is fucked.

Look at Hank's situation for example, the guy enjoys some intellectual hobbies but at the end of the day, he posts this thread saying how some guy working a cool job fucks more girls than he does. Now Hank is okay with that, he is older and he is over that stage of his life, it doesn't bother him at much.

You can be true to your "life purpose" and all that jazz but don't be shocked if you struggle with women because your life purpose does not line up to that.

Getting hot girls is a lifestyle and skill on its own, it is up to you to decide whether you want it.

I frankly don't think, from personal experience, that cold approach and "game" are enough. They help but they're far from enough. You have to invest time to strategize and do things about this very topic of getting hot girls and fucking them instead of sticking to his bullshit of it magically happening because you found your life purpose. Nikolai Tesla found his life purpose with his intelligence, he died a virgin.

As for myself.

I have looked for jobs at a bar, they're not easy to get at the decent bars which says how much guys want them for the pussy.

And as for Kaotic's comment, you should be working more than 40-50 hrs a week in your 20s anyways, you have all the energy in the world. I find a job with social proof to be far more beneficial than spam approaching girls as a random guy and potentially earning a bad reputation at a spot if your game is not on point that night.

No ill will or anything, I know I've whined because this thread digs so deep with me and my own life. I just hope guys can see where I come from with my posts.

[PapayaTapper]

^You've been given a lot of good actionable advice in numerous threads

Either commit to taking the necessary action(s) in order to make the changes you want or fuck off.

If you choose the former then you will find tremendous help and resources here.

If you choose the latter then...like I said fuck off. There's millions of whiny, jabberwocking do-nothings in the "mediocracy" to keep you company while you feel sorry for yourself

[doc holliday]

Seriously Beer, enough is enough. At this point you're taking away far more than you're contributing. You have been given more than enough advice over numerous threads and yet you keep harping on the same stupid bullshit, over and over, hijacking every thread to the point that the threads become unreadable. You need to take a break from posting, take action for a few months and report back then and only then. Everyone's patience with you has just about worn out and you turning every game thread into a thread about your issues is ruining everyone else's enjoyment of the forum. Please develop some self awareness and shut up for a while. God Damn.

[BlueMark]

@beer

I've sent you a PM with some actionable advice. Let's take it to PMs so that we can talk about details of your personal situation and how to find a style of game that fits into it.