My comments interspersed below:
Quote: (08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:
There is nothing cool about software engineering.
There is nothing cool about big 4 accounting.
There is nothing cool about consulting or finance.
They are not inherently cool, but you could say that about a lot of jobs. What are you going to do, give up on getting laid unless you live in nightlife?
Quote: (08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:
I lucked out due to good roommates right out of college but I find that outside of those social connections, it is damn near impossible to get any sort of success going to where you can fuck hot girls somewhat regularly.
Let's see why:
Quote: (08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:
Comte said a "real job" and a social life but we are talking about the kind of social life that leads to you fucking hot girls or having around the same level of success as a DJ or bartender.
That kind of social life, especially in the US, is extremely difficult to build.
Difficult, but not extremely difficult.
Quote: (08-08-2018 09:16 PM)Diop Wrote:
Most Meetup groups are trash full of fatties and losers.
Most people don't have above average social skills. Most people are fat. Most people are losers. What's your point? Meetup groups can be a beginning to meet people and improve your social skills. If you can't move past meetup groups as a way to meet people, you're not even trying.
Quote: (08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:
Most hobby groups are for that hobby alone and won't get you that sort of a social life.
More negativity/self-defeatism. Hobby/social groups centered around an outgoing, energetic, and social activity will put you in touch with people who are outgoing, energetic, and social. If you expect to meet the highest quality people in a bingo night, prepare to be disappointed.
Quote: (08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:
Most activities you see through Meetup and other events are trash when it comes to getting the hedonistic lifestyle.
Lots of people out there look down on the drinking and partying lifestyle after college which DJs and Bartenders have an access to.
There are a number of adult leagues that cater to the hedonistic lifestyle. Some kind of adult sport along with happy hours and going out afterwards. Again, only an intro, you'd need to capitalize on the best they have to offer and move up from there.
Quote: (08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:
Most people just suck when it comes to helping you get that kind of lifestyle.
And just making friends in the industry is its own bag of worms.
What's your point? Most people are not good connectors or social hubs because there are not that many of them. Become one, meet lots of people and see where you can provide value for the ones who are high value.
Why do we want to meet "most people who suck?" You only want to meet a lot of people to find those of high value.
Quote: (08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:
Why would some bartender at a high end nightclub want to be friends with some software engineer?
Because they both surf or play flag football or share some other common interest.
Quote: (08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:
These guys don't have a reason to make friends with random people unless those random people can get them status in their world. A bartender is only going to make friends with you if he feels that you can get him a job at a better bar, same with a DJ who feels that you can help him get discovered.
And on your own, it is tough to build that kind of status with hot girls regardless of your game.
Something that is tough but brings reward after reward. Guess it's tough so fuck it, give up.
Quote: (08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:
You'll never be able to sell the idea to a hot girl at a nightclub that coding is cool and your lifestyle can compete with that of a DJ.
There's only one DJ, there are endless girls. I know coders, insurance guys, project managers, and many other white collar job types that are active, social, and enjoy nightlife and meet women. There's zero value to pointing out that these jobs are generally filled by guys that don't have nightlife/social skills. Just become the exception. Fuck, I worked in the video game industry for years!
Quote: (08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:
That is the appeal of these professions to where guys making good money like me have even fantasized about quitting to work in nightlife, you already have some sort of status built in even if you are the help. She rather fuck a bartender that can barely make rent over an engineer living well because engineers are "not cool".
But I am done with the complaining, I rather learn the hows than the whys.
No, you're ALL ABOUT the complaining. Say that you're finding something difficult and ask for help, don't write a laundry list of reasons that everything is slanted against you.
Quote: (08-08-2018 06:42 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:
I cannot think of how someone who works 40-60 hours a week at an office job can potentially build the kind of lifestyle that gets him that sort of status. Even if he travels or does other things, it is tough as nails to build the lifestyle that gets you a lot of sexy women.
I've seen the women in the white collar world, they're a bunch of harpies looking for a free meal ticket. They're not looking to smash for the night and leave or hang out to party, they're schemers looking to see who they can divorce rape.
If guys feel like Hank is so wrong, they should be offering more examples of what an engineer or others in those sorts of jobs can do to fuck a shit ton of fine pussy because the way I see it, it is almost impossible to compete with someone like a DJ in that regard.
It's always going to be tough as nails to be around a bunch of hot women all the time. Whether it's through working your ass off to befriend them, or to becoming super successful financially with a decent body and a modicum of game, to becoming a DJ good enough to have notoriety that can pull chicks, none of it is simple.
Quote: (08-08-2018 08:26 PM)godzilla Wrote:
This post is such a loser mentality in my opinion. I fucked two or three hot girls when I was unemployed in Philly. And there's definitely nothing cool about that.
"Why would some bartender at a high-end nightclub want to be friends with some software engineer?"
Because no one wants to fucking tend bar their whole life, he might need to build him a website for his own fucking business.
I've also been doing software for the past few years. You have to make your job sound cooler than it is. The fact that YOU think your job is not cool is why people don't your job is cool....You're not a software engineer! You build shit. You make the fucking internet. Tell bitches you built the iPhone, bitches love iPhone.
Yes, this guy gets it.
Quote: (08-08-2018 09:16 PM)Diop Wrote:
This is a great point which others may be overlooking. For those who think being a software engineer, a lawyer, or an accountant makes you undesirable as far as forming connections/friendships with bartenders, DJ's, bouncers, etc., you have to keep in mind that the universal language that everyone speaks - self interest.
When I was first getting my business up and running, many of my earliest clients were bartenders and servers (male and female) who I chatted with at my favorite establishments. It was all surface level at first, but once they found out what I did for a living several of them came my way for tax advice and preparation when they needed some help.
Once I helped them out, (besides becoming loyal clients of mine) they'd hook me up with free drinks, preferential treatment at their bars/clubs, and a bouncer client even let me cut ahead of the really long lines whenever he was working the door at a popular spot on Saturday nights whenever I was around. I formed good friendships with some of them, which opened the door to social circles that otherwise wouldn't have been available had I not helped them professionally. And yes, many of these guys (and girls) hung out with copious amounts of the elusive hot young chicks in their 20's mentioned throughout this discussion.
This was all several years ago and I don't really hang out at these spots much anymore, but my point is that even though you might not have a "sexy" type of job, it's not really that difficult to form connections with the guys many people in this thread are claiming are the pussy slayers. You just have to be a cool guy and offer them some value in return.
EDIT - Also forgot to agree with the point about making your "boring" job sound a lot cooler than it is. I don't tell girls I'm an accountant, I tell them I have my own firm that protects people from being extorted by the Feds . Hey, it's worked on some girls in the past....
This is a great post by Diop that breaks down just one example.
My buddy is self employed but it's a boring business by and large. He sometimes does higher end/more interesting work, but the main part is pretty boring. He does a good bit of his "office" and menial work out at the local bars/restaurants. He socializes with people regularly.
Does he tell people he's making bids for that boring work? No, he tells them he's selling people and managing his people and invoicing clients. Then he shows the most interesting pictures of the work he does or talks about the most interesting jobs. He meets girls and cool guys all the time this way and also gets more places on lock-down as far as knowing the staff than I do by far.
He's not rich, he's not a male model in looks, he's in okay shape, he's slowly balding (but he's got enough hair to look good with a hat on), but he is very social and totally relaxed/chill. This dude can and has slayed pussy before (currently in a LTR) and he's got nothing that any of you can't achieve. Nothing except a good attitude and game.