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11-25-2013, 02:41 PM
The best milk for the lactose-intolerant would be kefir (fermented milk) made from raw milk of grass fed ruminant animals (cows, goats, sheep, buffalo, camels, etc.)
It's best you make this yourself with fresh, raw milk . In addition to the benefits of the healthy bacteria in kefir, the fermentation process consumes the lactose.
A high quality ghee, made from the raw butter of grass fed cows contains neither casein (that infamous protein found in cows' milk) nor lactose. Just the pure fat.
Pasturized milk is pretty much useless as a food, if health is what you're after.
I personally gave up dairy in 1995. I recently added High Vitamin Butter Oil (from raw butter of grass fed cows) and bovine colostrum.
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11-25-2013, 03:17 PM
Mon, does the casein become more digestible once fermented?
Unfortunately, anything calling for raw milk is prohibitively expensive, as it runs $18 a gallon.
I'm going to start a thread on fermented foods when I get home.
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11-25-2013, 03:44 PM
Yeah BasilRansom...the kefir fermentation process "predigests" (breaks down) the casein making it more digestible. Nearly everyone that I talk to who say they don't do well with casein, say that kefir gives them no problem.
Of course, if you can, you can try and get access to the raw milk of grass-fed ruminant animals other than cows. It is most cows which produce the problematic casein known as A1-beta casein. Humans, goats, sheep, buffalo produce the A2 form.
I know several people making their raw milk kefir with the milk of grass-fed goats, sheep, & buffalo. I know of a farmer who raises camels and swears by the raw milk, kefir & cheeses of camels.
DEFINITELY start the thread on fermented foods. I'm a fermentation FANATIC. Before leaving the house this morning, I had a smoothie with two tablespoons of fresh, homemade almond-coconut "yogurt." It's made with...you guessed it...raw, unpasteurized almonds; straight-from-the-coconut, coconut meat; and starter bacteria.
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07-26-2014, 07:53 PM
Don't touch the stuff, maybe cheese once in a blue moon.
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07-26-2014, 07:53 PM
Yes. Good quality wherever you can but butter, ghee, cheese and yogurt are great. Whole grass fed milk in your coffee is amazing.
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07-27-2014, 12:12 PM
The only dairy that I really eat is cheese.
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07-28-2014, 04:19 AM
I gave up cow dairy, but still eat foods with goat and sheep milk. Lactose intolerance isn't a problem but I read some people had good experiences giving up cow dairy so I tried a little experiment. After a few weeks I noticed the following changes.
1. Cravings for sweets dramatically reduced - I usually had milk with sweets or a milk-based sweet in the past
2. Self-control is better - this could just be due to exercising self-control in not eating dairy
3. Coffee addiction is weaker but still present - maybe some of the cravings were due to the milk I used to put in my coffee
4. Definition in triceps and jawline is better - this is strange and maybe just due to general fat loss
5. Exercise-induced asthma is dramatically reduced - I don't even use my inhaler before high intensity cardio now, that would have been unthinkable in the past.
I didn't have a problem with acne so I can't tell if giving up cow's milk helped me there. Acne practically disappeared after I gave up gluten.
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07-29-2014, 03:47 AM
Quote: (07-28-2014 04:36 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:
I would surmise that your giving up Pasturized and Homonegized and low fat versions of these products. You may NOT need to give up raw dairy products, if they were available to you. Which they are NOT really available to most of us people in the USA at any reasonable price...
Yes on the first two, but no on the last. I hate low fat crap. I always drank full fat milk.
http://www.betacasein.org/index.html?p=variants
It was the studies on A1 casein that convinced me to give up cow dairy. If I found A2 cow's milk, I would try it for a while to see if the positive effects remained.
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07-09-2018, 05:42 AM
Dairy makes my skin oily.
When I spend long periods of times in Asia (where few people eat dairy) I have less problems.
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07-11-2018, 12:53 PM
I do but I think this varies with everybody. Certain types of cheeses and grass fed milk contains K2 which is purportedly an anti aging nutrient. Don't get cheap butter shoot for Kerry Gold or equivalent. Same thing with whey protein, don't get the buckets at Walmart preferably get grass fed.
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07-11-2018, 01:44 PM
Nope. Cancer
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07-12-2018, 09:06 AM
Not really. Just a bit of cheese and occasional butter. Causes me oily skin and thus acne.
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07-12-2018, 08:07 PM
Put as simply as possible when it comes to dairy consumption, I would say that the best parts of dairy/milk is the fat and the whey.
You want to avoid the lactose, galactose and casein. (Also bovine insulin is problematic.) This is both due to the leaky gut and allergy-autoimmune-systemic inflammation promoting element of the casein protein. (Whey seems to not have these issues.) And the blood sugar/insulin elevation and glycation (and inflammation-oxidative stress again) promoting sugars lactose and galactose. Hyperglycemia in general definitely accelerates the formation of AGES, (advanced glycation end products) one of the main causes of ageing and disease in general. But galactose in particular seems to generate AGES even faster than lactose, probably due to humans lacking the enzymes to reduce galactose. (Which is also true for about 70 percent of the worlds pop. when it comes to lactose.)
Bovine insulin is associated with many autoimmune disorders like MS and diabetes type 1. According to Loren Cordain, (a man with a lot of credibility in this field) childhood onset DT1 is almost always caused by dairy, and in particular bovine insulin. (Via a process called biological mimicry/cross reactivity.) But also, bovine insulin promotes excessive growth. So you do get taller drinking more milk, partly as a downstream effect of the bovine insulin, but that growth can also translate to myopia (excessive growth of the eyeball) and cancer. (mostly later in life of course)
So again, I would stick with butter/Ghee, maybe some hard cheeses and cream now and again, and avoid all low fat dairy. I think that`s very important in order to avoid disease. But from the research I`ve seen 100 percent whey protein in association with resistance training is beneficial. But only take it after your training of course. You don`t wanna snack on that stuff, since it does cause transient growth. (via mTor translocation)
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