[PapayaTapper]

(04-25-2018 05:40 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  

Guys, currently working on this chick 15 years my junior. She's 25. Met on Tinder. I've run sone decent game (seduction, rolling off, comfort). She's a tough nut to crack. We have a third date on Friday. I've had her in bed and dealt with serious LMR.

Tonight she texts me something I've never heard before in a text from any girl ever - "On Friday I may drink wine, and wine makes me horny, so even if I beg you to fuck me, promise you won't?"

What's the best way to play this? Obviously, with this expressed in writing, it's a pretty good move on her part.

Definitely a shit test. She's wanting to bang so she wants you to pass

Hard to suggest an exact response without knowing your specific "brand" of game and the having the context of your previous dates

Personally Id go with "No problem. I'm just a nice guy with a big dick and I prefer scotch before a good hair pulling and spanking session"

Or

"Ok but when I drink wine I break promises"

But thats just me

[Rocha]

(04-25-2018 05:40 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  

Guys, currently working on this chick 15 years my junior. She's 25. Met on Tinder. I've run sone decent game (seduction, rolling off, comfort). She's a tough nut to crack. We have a third date on Friday. I've had her in bed and dealt with serious LMR.

Tonight she texts me something I've never heard before in a text from any girl ever - "On Friday I may drink wine, and wine makes me horny, so even if I beg you to fuck me, promise you won't?"

What's the best way to play this? Obviously, with this expressed in writing, it's a pretty good move on her part.

"Sure my dear"

Then get her drunk and fuck her brains out like the dirty little slut she is deserves to.

[General Stalin]

@Griffinmill - east stuff man. Agree and amplify per what PT says. This girl wants to fuck sounds like.

Onto topic - I didn't read OP but folks should get off Hank for posting rehash topics. This site is NOT easy to navigate for newcomers digging up old gems. There are no useful stickied threads with compeniums of all-star threads or anything like that, and the game doesn't change fast enough for the first page to be full of new game innovations.

I for one think there is a lot of value in rehashing basic game principles.

[Dalaran1991]

@griffin: what people said, she wants to get fuck. Me being paranoid, that text she sent you is the perfect setup for false rape accusation in case she changes her mind after. Ask Hank, he's a lawyer.

Thats also another advantage of hank's method: its pretty much fool proof for false rape accusers. I approve and support.

[Black Caesar]

None of this is Seduction.

At best it is questionable and vague tech.

[XXL]

Some of you take it way too seriously.

If a guy posts some rehash stuff or his own summaries on some well known topics then what's your problem? Some people find it interesting others don't, that's fine. After all this is just game talk. Quite silly to be honest if we compare it to real life questions.

[Black Caesar]

Bad tech doesn’t help you get better

[Hypno]

He had the same thread 3 months ago.

thread-66747.html

[DonnyGately]

If you don't find his threads informative and do find them repetitive, maybe just skip them? It's not like he posts the same thing daily.

[Black Caesar]

Seems like the Game forum should have Game. Or if you don’t have Game ask and you can get some.

Hank could be asking how he could improve and learn some Game to pull off one date swoops or no date swoops. Which is totally possible by the way.

Instead a guy that self-admittedly can’t Seduce a chick to the point of pulling one nights on the regular is rambling about his process and framing it as Game.

Seems like a culture of mediocrity. But that’s just my opinion.

[Black Caesar]

Not to mention this is all a mediocre version of tech that guys with Game have been running for years:

https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/hall-o...cular-girl

Read that if you want to understand the actual Seduction behind why 3 date stuff works

[HankMoody]

First off, I will give a full refund for whatever anyone paid to read this thread if you didn't like it. If you have better advice or can pen better threads, by all means...

To quote Plutarch, "To find fault is easy, to do better may be difficult."

That aside, I'm honestly not interested in first date bangs. I want to have high quality women in my life, not smuts who bang men they met off Bumble for a shot and a beer. I prefer women who can carry a conversation, enjoy watching a play, and go hiking. By the time the bang happens, you feel like you know each somewhat. Also, three dates is virtually a guaranteed bang, and usually a long term FWB (or LTR if you want that).

And there are other benefits outside of sex. For instance, I was sick this week and just had a plate bring me an entire case of Diet Powerade to make sure I'm staying hydrated. I'm headed over tonight to another's place and she's going to make me fruit smoothies.

My entire life does not revolve around sex. It revolves around fun, adventure, and purpose, while at the same time maintaining a robust sex life.

If she's banging on the first date, then frankly, it probably means we have different values (also keep in mind that I am religious). If those are the types of girls you want to hang around, that's on you. Go to Vegas, have threesomes, and sort cocaine off their asses. Go to clubs, become friends with the owners, and go to their afterparties. Get bottle service and start asking random THOTs to come hang out. Don't just bang smuts off Bumble, go big.

Simply not my speed.

[Donfitz007]

I can understand the appeal of this.

[Ouroboros]

(04-26-2018 06:41 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Also, three dates is virtually a guaranteed bang, and usually a long term FWB (or LTR if you want that).

This raises a good point. It was known back in the Mystery pua era that rushing things can lead to 'buyer's remorse': If you sleep with her too quickly, she may feel like a slut and associate those feelings of shame with you, making it harder to get the second bang or convert her into a FWB. This is something I've experienced myself: girls who I bang on the first date rarely want to see me again, while second or third date bangs are easier to convert to FWB arrangements. I think it's probably more of an issue for guys who rely on game more than physical attractiveness.

Personally, I think FWBs are better than one night stands. Being able to bang the same girl many times makes the experience far superior. You generally develop a greater degree of affection for each other, and this greatly improves the quality of the interaction. Because you're uncommitted, you can still satiate your desire for variety on the side (although I'm personally too lazy for this).

That said, I don't think three dates is necessary for most people: two dates is the sweet spot for me. (first date: coffee or ice cream; second date: drinks or dinner). It may be necessary for Hank given his particular combination of game, SMV and target demographic.

[Black Caesar]

(04-26-2018 06:41 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

First off, I will give a full refund for whatever anyone paid to read this thread if you didn't like it. If you have better advice or can pen better threads, by all means...

Dawg my advice is elsewhere. Check the receipts.

Weren't you just talking about bagging dancers from the local club?

I guess these Three Date girls are Good Girls?

Or are you taking everyone on surf and turf dates?

I'm genuinely curious cause I might try that next time.

(04-26-2018 06:41 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

That aside, I'm honestly not interested in first date bangs. I want to have high quality women in my life, not smuts who bang men they met off Bumble for a shot and a beer. I prefer women who can carry a conversation, enjoy watching a play, and go hiking. By the time the bang happens, you feel like you know each somewhat. Also, three dates is virtually a guaranteed bang, and usually a long term FWB (or LTR if you want that).

You should check these mental hangups you got around women as it will help you connect with them better and actually get to Seduction vs Average Joe dating.

Like the Madonna Whore thing about girls who smash the first time they meet you not being "high quality" or "carry a conversation, enjoy watching a play, and go hiking."

All that baggage is holding you back, it's better to figure out a way to let go.

Once you do that and understand Seduction you can get all that out a girl that you meet on the sidewalk and derail to your spot on your way back from a client meeting or a girl that you meet out at the lounge while you're traveling for business.

But if this stuff is working for you, then by all means keep doing you.

I think you can try harder though because this bucket list is absolutely basic.

(04-26-2018 06:41 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

If she's banging on the first date, then frankly, it probably means we have different values (also keep in mind that I am religious). If those are the types of girls you want to hang around, that's on you. Go to Vegas, have threesomes, and sort cocaine off their asses. Go to clubs, become friends with the owners, and go to their afterparties. Get bottle service and start asking random THOTs to come hang out.

[Rocha]

(04-26-2018 08:10 PM)Ouroboros Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 06:41 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Also, three dates is virtually a guaranteed bang, and usually a long term FWB (or LTR if you want that).

This raises a good point. It was known back in the Mystery pua era that rushing things can lead to 'buyer's remorse': If you sleep with her too quickly, she may feel like a slut and associate those feelings of shame with you, making it harder to get the second bang or convert her into a FWB. This is something I've experienced myself: girls who I bang on the first date rarely want to see me again, while second or third date bangs are easier to convert to FWB arrangements. I think it's probably more of an issue for guys who rely on game more than physical attractiveness.

Personally, I think FWBs are better than one night stands. Being able to bang the same girl many times makes the experience far superior. You generally develop a greater degree of affection for each other, and this greatly improves the quality of the interaction. Because you're uncommitted, you can still satiate your desire for variety on the side (although I'm personally too lazy for this).

That said, I don't think three dates is necessary for most people: two dates is the sweet spot for me. (first date: coffee or ice cream; second date: drinks or dinner). It may be necessary for Hank given his particular combination of game, SMV and target demographic.

Women buyers remorse can happen on date zero, 1st, 2d, 3d...or 10th.

It happens basically because of three factors:

1 - The sex was not good.

No matter what happened before, the sex has to be great. If the guy is inexperienced, he should go get some experience for bad sex wont happen again... Or if the intake of alcohol was too big, he should make sure to have a Viagra at hand.
The first bang is the one that she (and he) will always remember. You have to fuck her like it's the last day on earth. Cheat, take sexual enhancers, sacrifice a bit of your pleasure, whatever, just make sure she orgasms a lot.

2 - The guy gets cold after busting a nut.

Many guys de-humanize girls after sex. The job was done, the goal was accomplished, so now lets call you an uber and get your ass out of my crib...
There is nothing wrong in letting her crash in your bed after sex, sleep by your side, bang some more in the morning, you then make a basic breakfast, drive her home, kiss her goodbye, wish her a nice day, and wait until she enters her building/house until you ride off. This done all naturally. not like the next factor...

3 - Guy gets clingy/needy after sex.

Many guys tend to "fall in love" after banging a girl better than what they are used to, start craving for or giving her too much attention, messaging her all the time, etc... In sum, loosing frame.
Well, he has to be the same guy that was before the sex happened. It was not a "magical moment" that changed totally the scope of the relationship, was a natural encounter between two human beings who fancied each other on that moment, nothing more than that.

[eradicator]

“K”

Griffin, That should be your only response. Anything more than that is investing too much, she is already talking about having sex with you and thinking of having sex with you just don’t fuck this up by over thinking it.

[Rocha]

(04-26-2018 06:41 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

If she's banging on the first date, then frankly, it probably means we have different values (also keep in mind that I am religious). If those are the types of girls you want to hang around, that's on you. Go to Vegas, have threesomes, and sort cocaine off their asses. Go to clubs, become friends with the owners, and go to their afterparties. Get bottle service and start asking random THOTs to come hang out. Don't just bang smuts off Bumble, go big.

Simply not my speed.

Pure nonsense.

While you are still on the second date, the barmen is already banging the same girl behind the counter after last call. Same girl can hold to date 20 with a guy she is not attracted or no bang at all, and bang some guy after 10 minutes banter.

Also funny the focus on your religiosity, while portraying an hedonistic lifestyle.

[chinadoc]

(04-21-2018 09:57 AM)Delta Wrote:  

Most girls are just boring as hell. They do not think anything insightful, funny, or unique. If you let them talk, they'll usually just drone on about the meaningless details of their job or their friends or whatever Netflix series they've been bingeing. Not only does this bore you, I think girls bore themselves this way too. Seriously. They like to have men around because men can be entertaining. They admire the masculine charm that emanates from wit, insightfulness, humor, and unapologetic bluntness. If you can't demonstrate these qualities and you just let the woman go on about whatever's on her mind, then you're useless to her.

Interesting insight.
It is true that a lot of girls are very boring, and your approach will probably be the most exciting thing that happens to them all month!!
Make it count.

[RedPillUK]

(04-21-2018 09:39 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Sort of long answer here... and that's not a bad point.

A lot of this comes down to congruency with your personality, and your genetics, in my opinion.

Personally, almost all my game is built in comfort. When it comes down to actually sealing the deal, I tend to still keep things really light, fun, and funny (when we get into bed, it's a little bit different, but after, I go back to being Hank). I build a lot of rapport and keep things fun. Once she is back at my place, it's a done deal. We're there.

My strength tends to be making them feel really comfortable and showing them a great time.

When we're in the sex phase, I like to I make a lot of jokes. "I want to see you naked." "Your dress would look great on my floor." But everything is said with a smile. At this point, we both know the deal, though.

My weakness tends to be raw physical attraction, because I'm 5'5. I wish there were a better way to articulate this, but when you're short, you're starting the game from the 5 yard line, not the 20. So you have to take them on dates and show them a good time, because that primal physical attraction isn't there from the get go. It simply takes more work. Being short is a hinderance, although it can be overcome with good game. I have literally had girls say "Hank, you are one of the most fun guys I've ever met, but there just isn't any physical attraction. I usually date guys who are XYZ tall." This is after making out with them, touching them, etc. (yeah yeah yeah, people are to say I have "limited beliefs" and any guy who can spit good game can bang dimes on the regular. Wish it worked like that, but it doesn't).

All that aside...

The good news? Met this girl on Bumble last week. Date at the sushi joint went swimmingly, got the bang, and now there is currently a 5'7 blond making me cocktails in my living room. As I'm writing this on the RVF, she's like "are you doing work stuff?" "Uh, yeah babe... important client emails and stuff."

Sounds like you're doing well then. I just can't really relate to the bolded part. I'm only a couple inches taller than you and for me the attraction is still the most important thing, I never spend time and money on maybe girls, hoping to convince them. I want the girl to be as attracted to me as possible, it makes for better sex and a relationship. Saying that, the average height where I am is now quite a bit lower and I don't approach blondes who are taller than me, let alone bang them, so nice one.

[Lermontov]

(04-27-2018 09:00 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 06:41 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

If she's banging on the first date, then frankly, it probably means we have different values (also keep in mind that I am religious). If those are the types of girls you want to hang around, that's on you. Go to Vegas, have threesomes, and sort cocaine off their asses. Go to clubs, become friends with the owners, and go to their afterparties. Get bottle service and start asking random THOTs to come hang out. Don't just bang smuts off Bumble, go big.

Simply not my speed.

Pure nonsense.

While you are still on the second date, the barmen is already banging the same girl behind the counter after last call. Same girl can hold to date 20 with a guy she is not attracted or no bang at all, and bang some guy after 10 minutes banter.

Also funny the focus on your religiosity, while portraying an hedonistic lifestyle.

Hank, I like your posts but sometimes you lack nuance. Like many on that forum, I've had my fair share of ONS and sex on the first date with educated upper middle class girls with good values. Stable, smart, over-achieving young women from good families, sometimes with a christian upbringing (although not strict). Law students, accountants, medical students, dental students... Most of girls in North America will take some cock very quickly at some point in their twenties. They don't all go clubbing every week-end and sniff cocaine.

I remember a beautiful and articulate white law student who was dating older lawyers like you and withholding sex for many dates with them. I bet those lawyers would never imagined that she would have sex with a black dude like me on the first day of meeting him. She went on to graduate with distinction and is now married. She had a religious marriage. You'd meet her and be unsuspecting of her past, and think that she shares your ''values'', and is a good girl.

[DonnyGately]

My sweet spot seems to be 2nd dates as well. If there's chemistry on date 1, they always always come out to see me again, usually they are the ones chasing me because they recognize my value.

If there's no chem on first meet, 95% of the time I don't wanna fuck them anyway.

Some girls it takes 3 or more dates, just the way it is. And some of those girls want to make sure they: dress perfect, right lingerie, legs waxed, hair did, right mood, have extra time/ don't have work or school first thing, etc.

Club sluts are fun but only up to a point. If there's no connection, the sex is never as good.

[griffinmill]

(04-27-2018 03:41 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

“K”

Griffin, That should be your only response. Anything more than that is investing too much, she is already talking about having sex with you and thinking of having sex with you just don’t fuck this up by over thinking it.

Thanks for all the advice on this (and apologies for semi-hijacking thread).

This particular girl came to spend the weekend with me on Friday - and I got the bang on Saturday morning.

[PapayaTapper]

(05-02-2018 09:38 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 03:41 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

“K”

Griffin, That should be your only response. Anything more than that is investing too much, she is already talking about having sex with you and thinking of having sex with you just don’t fuck this up by over thinking it.

Thanks for all the advice on this (and apologies for semi-hijacking thread).

This particular girl came to spend the weekend with me on Friday - and I got the bang on Saturday morning.

[Donfitz007]

Great news!