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#26

Best English Language Bible?

You think Occam's razor works on spiritual issues?

It doesn't even work on human relationships.

Ones with women anyway.

Your response to a time consuming, patient response is superficial and dismissive.

Quoting Jesus didn't work.

Let's appeal to Billy Of Occy.

Pretty soon you will be quoting Dawkins.

Why not just address the issues AB has raised?

“The greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents.”

Carl Jung
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#27

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Considering y'all don't wanna listen to your own god, I suppose neither logic nor dogma appeals to you.

Oh well, christians gonna hamster.

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#28

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I was wrong.

I should have said, pretty soon you will be quoting yourself.

Anyway, it was worth a shot.

“The greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents.”

Carl Jung
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#29

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Quote: (04-16-2018 06:07 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

Considering y'all don't wanna listen to your own god, I suppose neither logic nor dogma appeals to you.

Oh well, christians gonna hamster.

The old dilemma of living in this world, yet making sure one is not part of this world.
Especially when one is starting from a point where no single human has ever been perfect...
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#30

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Quote: (04-16-2018 06:07 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

Considering y'all don't wanna listen to your own god, I suppose neither logic nor dogma appeals to you.

Oh well, christians gonna hamster.

Your point was refuted before you even posted it.

Are you Jewish by chance? Because you sound salty.
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#31

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Quote: (04-16-2018 07:45 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  

Quote: (04-16-2018 06:07 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

Considering y'all don't wanna listen to your own god, I suppose neither logic nor dogma appeals to you.

Oh well, christians gonna hamster.

Your point was refuted before you even posted it.

Are you Jewish by chance? Because you sound salty.

Pure Northman.

If I was Jewish, I’d encourage y’all to keep buying a million versions of the same fan fiction of Judaism.

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Cows die,
family die,
you will die the same way.
I know only one thing
that never dies:
the reputation of the one who's died.
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#32

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Quote: (04-16-2018 05:50 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

Quote: (04-16-2018 03:59 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Quote: (04-16-2018 10:10 AM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

Then Jesus said to the woman, "I was sent only to help God's lost sheep--the people of Israel."

Matthew 15:24

Also Mark 23:30.

This is a selective interpretation, taken completely out of context from the text around it. Keep reading.

Note the woman in question is identified as both Greek and Canaanite, a tribe previously-marked in the Old Testament for extermination by the Jews. Jesus has retired into the Gentile Territory of Tyre and Sidon after challenging the Pharisees, where his safety is not guaranteed due to the Canaanites being known by readers of the era as being bitter enemies with the Jews.

A conflict is expected by readers, and inevitable.

Seemingly out of character, Jesus calls her a 'Dog' when she begs for a demon to be cast out of her daughter. Note that this was a Jewish Insult, for the animals were thought of as being 'unclean'. Also note, that this incident happens directly after Jesus challenges the Scribes and Pharisees on matters of ritual 'cleanliness' at the start of the Chapter, leading to the teaching of Verse 11:

"Not that which entereth into the mouth defileth a man, but that which proceedeth out of the mouth, that defileth a man".

So, with this context already in place, and the reader understanding this, he dismisses the woman as 'unclean', and therefore, not worthy of his care.

But, there's a twist.

Due to the doggedness of the woman's faith; her humility (where wisdom grows as promised by the Holy Spirit); her lack of anger in being denied in her hour of need; and her quick wit, she - not Jesus for once - gets the last word, which similarly offers him enlightenment. Understanding that she speaks the Truth, he is humbled (and, with that, wiser), so he expels the demon from her daughter.

She has, in her humble way and knowing not the former context, reminded him to practice what he just preached so as not to be a Hypocrite. (I've often noticed the Father has a way of setting these kind of incidents up to humble us soon after any admissions of our own virtue).

An important point to remember, seeded throughout other points in the Old Testament: the Lord can change his mind due to the pleas and arguments of the Faithful. Remember also, that Jesus' Wounds in his hands and his side continue to exist even in Heaven, as an enduring plea for mercy on our behalf to the Father.

Understanding all of this, this incident with the Woman seems to be a key turning point in the Ministry of Jesus. Note how the Chapter ends: he feeds the Multitudes.

Do you see the logic now in why these three incidents, in progression, form a complete Chapter?

Later, he similarly heals the Centurions son for his great faith, to the concern of his Apostles, since the Romans wee oppressing the Jews; then, with his Passion close at hand, tells the Parable of the Wicked Husbandmen in the Temple to the Pharisees, saying that their consistent rejection of their Lord's Prophets and now, the Son - understand that 'stone' also meant 'Son' in Hebrew - means the Kingdom will now be taken from them and given to others; creates a New Covenant at the Last Supper for all men who believe in him and 'signs' it with his Passion, (as the Blood Sacrifice); and then, after his resurrection, enlightens his Apostles with the Holy Spirit and dispatches them to the four corners of the earth to preach the good news to all nations.

All of this follows logically from the words of the Canaanite Woman.

Understand one sentence is just part of the whole. It's important to note the patterns and progression of events.

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Give me some time, I'll write up the Bible research I can remember, including the Scofield, the Westcott-Hort, and the dangers of any 'multi-faith' interpretation. It's hard though, in that it's not just a question of WHICH, it's the progression of experience that lead me to the WHY.

Or, rather than mental masturbation as to why Gentiles should worship a Jew, Occam's razor determines he was getting a mouthy shiksa off his ass.

Food for thought.

Ockham's Razor, originally formulated by a Catholic monk named William of Ockham in the same way that the Big Bang was first proposed by a Catholic priest, holds only that causes need not be multiplied beyond necessity. Its original intent was to provide a heuristic upon which to dispose of pagan a multiplicity of gods in favour of one god. In its current schema, it only applies to scientific thought, and then only to prefer simpler explanations when two possible causes for an event arise that each have valid evidence behind them arise. Nowhere does Ockham's Razor say to dispose of context. The context that AB has been talking about is quite enlightening on this verse: absent that context, the story is an exhortation to persist with prayer for Christians, as it still is, but with that context it becomes so much more.

One small contribution I might make: let's go one verse before the exchange begins, to Matthew 15:23. Jesus's disciples were with him and tell him to just send the woman on her way as she kept crying out to them. (Matthew 15:23).

Then Jesus makes the remark we're talking about: "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel" (accurate translation pending).

What does he mean by that remark? The disciples have just said "Send her away," his reply, unlike a lot of his replies to his disciples, isn't disagreeing with them. I think it's more likely he said that to underline that he wasn't even going to address her to tell her to piss off. That would underline the points AB has been making about the context, that they were in a foreign land amongst strangers and those they had been told all their young lives were enemies - the disciples were all Jews, they all would have been told the stories of Joshua coming into Israel, tearing down Jericho's walls, and performing a general slaughter on the Canaanites therein.

(A rambling aside: imagine an existence where God simply will not speak to you, even to tell you to go away. One where God has turned his face from you: from Isaiah to the Psalms, to be in such a place was utter debasement, utter loss to a Jew. In some characterisations of the afterlife, Hell is where God simply does not acknowledge you at all. Recall that the greatest narcissistic injury is where you realise you do not exist in another person's life.)

The picture you get is of a wailing woman following Jesus and the disciples around begging for help. Jesus and bros. are already uncomfortable as they're in enemy territory where it isn't too smart to draw attention to yourself, and on top of it they're amongst people they have been told all their lives are hated by God, or at least not as important as the Jews. Eventually the disciples figure they're going to have to get the woman off their back, so they ask Jesus to address her and tell her to go away, since obviously she's not going to listen to the disciples. Perhaps there's a hint in there that they wanted him to do something for her in order to get rid of her. Jesus' reply is even more resolute: I was sent only to Israelites, I'm not even going to talk to her.

So then the woman throws herself down before Jesus and begs for help. Aside from everything else that passes in that sequence, remember also Deuteronomy 7:2 - the Israelites had been commanded by Moses, upon entry to the Holy Land, to make no covenant and give no favours to the people therein, specifically including Caananites. That was the webwork of cultural mores applying to Jesus and his disciples.

It's also worth considering the mystery of the incarnation that is thrown up by these interpretations of this text. Jesus is held in Catholic tradition as both fully God and fully man; there is no conflict, then, in Jesus being influenced at least at first by a cultural belief inculcated in him from when he was a young boy. And as AB said, the Old Testament has lots of examples where God changes his mind: the most obvious one (and which hilariously illustrates certain Jewish traditions) is where Abraham badgers God down on the number of good men who have to be in Sodom for the city to be spared - Genesis 18:27 onward, going from 50 down to 10.

Remissas, discite, vivet.
God save us from people who mean well. -storm
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#33

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Quote: (04-16-2018 08:08 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

Quote: (04-16-2018 07:45 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  

Quote: (04-16-2018 06:07 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

Considering y'all don't wanna listen to your own god, I suppose neither logic nor dogma appeals to you.

Oh well, christians gonna hamster.

Your point was refuted before you even posted it.

Are you Jewish by chance? Because you sound salty.

Pure Northman.

If I was Jewish, I’d encourage y’all to keep buying a million versions of the same fan fiction of Judaism.

Yes, in which the protagonist proceeds to discredit the Jews at every turn, especially in the Gospel of John, until they decide to have him executed. The same protagonist who they have spared no effort to discredit for the past 2,000 years, saying they'd kill him again if he were to come back, to piss on his image on HBO comedies and as art, and in their Talmud to say he's buried in his own feces in hell and that his mother was a whore, and on and on.
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#34

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Quote: (04-16-2018 06:04 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

You think Occam's razor works on spiritual issues?

It doesn't even work on human relationships.

Ones with women anyway.

Why not just address the issues AB has raised?

Occam's razor seems to not be working in relationships from a misinformed blue pill perspective.

If you own a red pilled mind that everything women say and do conforms to Occam's razor perfectly. It's the basis of all the "Womanese" explanations and debunking of their rationalization hamsters.

Alpha fucks and beta bucks - a perfect case of occam's razor explaining pretty much everything about women. As well as many other red pill truisms.

Yes spiritual truths often look counter intuitive at first. But when you become adept - you realize they make perfect sense.

Occam's razor can very well be applied to prophets and religions. Would you not apply Occam's razor to Mohammad and Quran by instantly assuming that when his revelations allow all men to have only 4 wives, but allow Mohammad himself have more and even allow him to take the wife of his step-son as his own, that these revelations are in fact fake and invented by himself to get more pussy, right?

So why would you apply Occam's razor to other religions and not your own?
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Quote: (04-16-2018 09:00 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Ockham's Razor, originally formulated by a Catholic monk named William of Ockham in the same way that the Big Bang was first proposed by a Catholic priest, holds only that causes need not be multiplied beyond necessity. Its original intent was to provide a heuristic upon which to dispose of pagan a multiplicity of gods in favour of one god. In its current schema, it only applies to scientific thought, and then only to prefer simpler explanations when two possible causes for an event arise that each have valid evidence behind them arise. Nowhere does Ockham's Razor say to dispose of context. The context that AB has been talking about is quite enlightening on this verse: absent that context, the story is an exhortation to persist with prayer for Christians, as it still is, but with that context it becomes so much more.

Christians themselves violate Occam's razor by suggesting that Satan takes part in creation, thus creation of a man has at least two causes. Of course Christians don't see it this way, but actually all of the Genesis describes creation of man, it doesn't get finished with creating Eve it finishes with Genesis and even goes into Exodus as all other events in those books is actually tales about inner processes in man's soul he must undergo before fully reaching promised land that is full human potential.

According to Christians God created a perfect human, but the Snake brought sin in this world thus finishing the creation of the current sinful man. This is not how Christians see it, but how they objectively believe.

So yeah the Catholic monk did a great job by formulating Occam's razor, but he didn't see how it not only refutes pagan polytheism, but his own Catholicism too.

The Hebrews who wrote Old testament, don't really believe in Devil. They believe that God himself put the snake there and temptation and overcoming it is a lesson that is important in full creation of a man that continues to this day. Hebrews truly believe on one source of all phenomena - God. Ironically because of absence of a belief in the source of evil phenomena - Devil, Jews are getting slandered by Christians as devil worshipers and synagogue of Satan all the time, due to Christians believing that denial of Satan is the work of Satan while in reality it's Christians who believe in two creators God and Devil - Zoroastrian style.

I am not even going into detail how high Paganism at it's core is at peace with idea about a single source and all gods being a manifestation of a single God a.k.a Brahman or by whatever other name it may go.
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#36

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Quote: (04-16-2018 09:36 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  

Quote: (04-16-2018 08:08 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

Quote: (04-16-2018 07:45 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  

Quote: (04-16-2018 06:07 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

Considering y'all don't wanna listen to your own god, I suppose neither logic nor dogma appeals to you.

Oh well, christians gonna hamster.

Your point was refuted before you even posted it.

Are you Jewish by chance? Because you sound salty.

Pure Northman.

If I was Jewish, I’d encourage y’all to keep buying a million versions of the same fan fiction of Judaism.

Yes, in which the protagonist proceeds to discredit the Jews at every turn, especially in the Gospel of John, until they decide to have him executed. The same protagonist who they have spared no effort to discredit for the past 2,000 years, saying they'd kill him again if he were to come back, to piss on his image on HBO comedies and as art, and in their Talmud to say he's buried in his own feces in hell and that his mother was a whore, and on and on.

Jesus doesn't discredit Jews at every turn. It's because it's so heated up a question in modern society you see it that way. The thing about Bible as with all books is that when you read it you are only going to see what is within you already.
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#37

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We get it, Paganism is super cool and edgy and Christians are cucks.

Don't you guys have a male-only body painting session in the woods to get to? Or even just another thread you can post in?
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#38

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Quote: (04-17-2018 03:27 PM)Mage Wrote:  

According to Christians God created a perfect human, but the Snake brought sin in this world thus finishing the creation of the current sinful man. This is not how Christians see it, but how they objectively believe.

This is an incorrect statement of belief.

God created Man, and gives them the Natural Law - perfect harmonious function within and of his creation.

However, they were also granted Free Will to obey God or to not.

They are told not to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Man's fall is due to the First Sin, the Sin of Pride: this is how Eve is tempted by the Serpent, then Adam is seduced by Eve. By wanting the knowledge God possesses, they, in essence, desire to become their own gods.

Due to to Fall, the perfect harmony now becomes disordered.

Creation now reacts against the presence of Sin and becomes increasingly-dysfunctional because of it.

This is why God doesn't 'cause' or 'allow' suffering. Suffering is a natural result of living in a disordered world. Free Will + Deliberate Sin = Increased Suffering for all.

However, we are not alone. He gives us the Law, his Word and his Grace. Also, the promise that we will never suffer beyond our capacity to endure suffering. All he asks of us is to listen and obey his will, to not worship False Gods, which includes ourselves.

You can dismiss this entire concept, but its playing out around us. The Culture War, the New World Order, Crowleyism, Satanism, Socialism, Progressivism, Transhumanism and even Vatican II and the Novus Ordo all boil down to this: Man should be his own God.

Perhaps you make yourself a God, or Science a God, or the State a God, or a Politician. It's still the same thing: you value man's will over God's.

Of course, Man's Will is tainted by Original Sin. Therefore: if we follow our own will over God's dysfunction is guaranteed, because our desires are disordered due to the Fall.

We will chase our own desires and goals, thinking that achieving them will finally make us happy, not possessing the wisdom to understand the rewards of the longings that drive us - such as sex, money, comfort, power, fame - are all intrinsically-empty, because these longings are a dysfunctional reaction to the real problem: the deep sense of loss within us all over the Fall. That we once had connection to God, and now we have a deep, yawning absence, that can never be filled by any self-directed goal.

Those who self-reflect know this. I remember a conversation a couple of years back with a girl in Europe where I said life is funny, because if you apply hard work towards your goals, you will get everything you think you want, but the money you get it, you'll always discover it's never exactly what you expected.

She wanted to know how I knew her. I didn't, her story is my own.

The New Age types try to sell this concept as 'the universe providing' if you 'visualise'. Oprah (a Satanist) pushed 'The Secret' hard, but this offers the false promise that achieving your self-directed desires will result in any kind of lasting happiness.

A girlfriend was watching that DVD ages back, hilariously-illustrated with a woman gazing at a necklace in a shop window, only for it to appear around her neck a moment later in a flash of cheap effects.

I can watch that and understand the necklace won't make her happy. Every deeply-longed for desire eventually loses its sparkle and becomes mundane. That item you think you need to be happy, if purchased, will soon be replaced by another item, then another. Our desire is impossible to satisfy.

Free Will reliably-increases the yawning void of separation from God. A drug will need increasingly stronger doses. Porn leads to more extreme porn. Musicians write albums about how much the fame they chased sucks. Celebrities reliably turn to cult religions, self-destruction or progressive politics trying to find deeper meaning. I'm noticing a wealthy friend obsessing over buying a new car, now that his previous one is two years old, speaking in awe of the features of his new want, echoing his awe of two years back over the one he already possesses.

Wants are never satisfied. All ascribed happiness can only be transient in nature.

Remember, this disorder will always be stronger in the female sex. When I go back and read my Four Rules for predicting Female Behaviour, the first rule is "Whatever I want, I deserve."

Or, 'Everything should bend to my will'.

Or, even more bluntly. "I am God."

If you want to understand the Satanic Nature of Female Entitlement, look at cases such as where that Chunky Surfer Girl doesn't get to surf a wave due to another man, so attempts to unleash her wrath online to attempt to destroy her enemies.

This is why I recently said to an Atheist Friend, if nothing else, you should read the bible, because, at its core, it's the best manual that's ever existed for how not to end up destroying yourself physically and psychologically.

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Devil, Jews are getting slandered by Christians as devil worshipers and synagogue of Satan all the time, due to Christians believing that denial of Satan is the work of Satan while in reality it's Christians who believe in two creators God and Devil - Zoroastrian style.

No. It's more the actions of the Jews reliably-contradict the Natural Law given by God, and, as such, are an Opposing Law in themselves. Their Law - pushed via Jewish over-representation in Academia, the courts, the media, (increasingly) sports and movies - seems even a stronger opposition than, say, Crowley's ethos of Do what thous whilst (ie Be your own God), which at least might allow for good deeds, if it suited one's whim.

Instead, it's always oppositional to the Natural Law, and since a lot of this is clearly-spelled out in Genesis, it seems they're deliberately fighting their own God at every opportunity, as well as leading Gentiles away.

Let's really unpick some examples from Progressivism, (which is simply Reform Judaism), but not a lot of these still apply to the other branches of Judaism.

Natural Law

God creates man in his own image. Woman is created as his companion, and must submit to him in all matters.

Reform Judaism

Woman are equal in every way to men, and should never submit.

Natural Law

Chasity, fidelity, marriage is a sacred bond never to be broken.

Reform Judasism

Casual sex, open relationships, no fault divorce, mockery and weakening of what marriage is and who it can be between.

Natural Law

Family.

Reform Judaism

Destruction of the Family or mockery of what constitutes a family.

Natural Law

The sacredness of the creation of life.

Reform Judaism

Abortion, 'right to choose'.

Natural Law

Division by tribes and nations, less men unite in their Pride to become Gods, (see Babel).

Reform Judaism

One world, 'racism', open borders, multiculturalism.

Natural Law

Charity to others, charging interest forbidden (as in Islam).

Reform Judaism

Socialism or Capitalism, Ursury (except to other Jews)

Natural Law

Sodomy forbidden due to reliably-increasing disordered behaviour.

Reform Judaism

Sodomy celebrated.

Natural Law

Division into male and female, each made to complement the other.

Reform Judaism

Pick your gender, change it in the moment.

Natural Law

Obeying God, Christ as Saviour.

Reform Judaism

Trying to rhetorically outsmart having to obey the will of God, Christ as object of hatred and mockery.

Natural Law

Humility, poverty, hatred of money, the unimportance of possessions.

Reform Judiasm

Supremacism, vast over-representation of wealth and privilege, banking control.

Natural Law

One God, one gate

Reform Judaism

(via New Age, NWO, Confraternity Bibles and post-Vatican II subversion) All faiths are equally-valid paths to God,

That's just off the top of my head. There's always a pattern of direct opposition to God's Law, and the particular societal group most invested in pushing it.

Note that the Hebrew word for Satan also means Adversary.

The more you understand the pattern, the more you understand predictable motivations.

Natural Law

Disorders in Nature is the result of Sin.

Reform Judaism

Disordered Nature Effects are due to the New Ice Age Global Warming Climate Change and shut up: it's settled science. The fault isn't because of Man's Dysfunctional Sins, (since we constantly encourage opposing the natural law), but, coincidentally, the fault of an enemy who blocks us from taking control of countries: Capitalism.

Back to dysfunction again. The Atheist Friend i mentioned early has a Gay Friend where he acted as the sperm donor for a Lesbian Couple and fathered a son. I mentioned in the past the non-birth mother repeatedly molested the boy - anally penetrating him on multiple occasions between 1 and 2 years old - and that the obviously-lesbian police officers involving the case protected her, and not the child, and the Australian Courts, despite both birth parents demanding no contact between the abuser and the child, and the child writing letters saying to 'make her go away', gave the abuser full, unsupervised access to the child.

This dysfunction reliably happens because the Government opposes Natural Law due to the converged nature of Academia, policing and the Justice System's teachings: listening to the opinion of Reform Jews.

I pointed out to my Atheist Friend a while ago that i was noticing this pattern, so when the Gay Marriage vote happened, I said this would only lead to more reliable dysfunction.

He argued with me over this, and said his gay friends have stable relationships.

I mentioned that incident, and he said "Well, that can happen in straight families too."

A few weeks later, the Lesbian's had a break up with her new Lesbian partner, and being Lesbians, it broke the drama meter and involved stalkings, property damage and an attempted kidnap of the boy, (who, thankfully, is now eight, and, sadly, too wise for his age).

After things settled down, he said "Mum, how about you just take a break from dating until I leave home?"

"Predictable dysfunction," I said to my friend.

"All families are dysfunctional," he said, and we left it at that.

However, about two weeks back, he brought up what I'd said when I mentioned my stepfather's January descent into an outright mental breakdown based upon cultivating an exaggerated phantasm of grief over my mother's death in an attempt to get into a new - and married - woman's pants.

This is when my Stepfather came out with what I consider the Gamma Lamentation: "Why does this always happen to me?"

My unspoken answer to this question would be that Gammas are always Atheists, so reliably follow their Free Will over God's, and - particularly - ignore the warnings against Pride, (which is why they reliably have to always be right), and, as such, are always going to generate dysfunctional outcomes.

This is how I discovered my Stepfather had a pattern of targeting vulnerable married woman having relationship and health problems.

My atheist friend told me I should 'cut him loose' over this act, whereas I said, "I have to forgive him," - and finding that forgiveness was damn hard, but I did - "and be there when it all goes to shit, and it will go to shit."

It all went to shit a couple of days later. He ended up hospitalised and medicated over what I suspected would have been him making his big play for her and being rejected. I can even imagine what she said "I'm sorry if I gave you the wrong idea."

When he was discussing his breakdown later on, being very evasive, as usual, he said, trying to pass it off as a causal aside, "And I don't know if [his target] will ever forgive me."

So she was there.

Telling my atheist friend this, he said "How did you know?" and I brought up the Bible and the Natural Law again. "Predictable dysfunction."

He got the weirdest look on his face, and mentioned his Sperm Donor friend, and how things had, 'at least' settled down for the family, now, "But..."

"... but what?"

"... Well, I was talking to [the Father], and discovered he has six other kids I didn't ever know about."

I was very taken aback by this. It has never, ever been discussed by anyone in their circle. "Then why has he never mentioned them?"

A stony expression came over my friend's face: "Apparently, he's been a sperm donor for Lesbians's six other times. Every time..."

I nodded. "... they fuck him over as soon as they have 'their' baby..."

"... so he's allowed no contact."

This matches my lived experience of any Lesbians that I've known, but I couldn't help thinking back to the Gamma Lamentation: "Why does this always happen to me?"

My Friend said "It's like what you said. Since it's not a Mum and a Dad, but a Gay Guy and two Lesbians..."

"... it can only ever have dysfunctional results."

My friend said, "So you're right."

"No," I answered. "God is right."

He later said that "It's good," that I'm "Reading what I'm reading", (meaning The Bible). He's one of the people in my circle who sense that something is very, very wrong with the world over the last couple of years - I'd argue Trump has only accelerated this anticipatory expectation - and I'm noticing Red Pill ideas aren't being rejected out of hand any more.

This is all back to Free Will again. So this Gay Man has tried to start an Unnatural Family seven times, chasing what I see as filling the void from the Fall. The first six times he gets cut out of the family picture, and yet he keeps trying. The seventh time, the kid gets sexually-abused, and the family breaks up.

Maybe, just maybe, it's time for him to stop following where his own will leads him.
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#39

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I think it's best to use multiple translations. I like the NASB, the NLT and the KJV. A more literal translation is always to be preferred, but other translations can help provide clarity when needed.

NASB - literal word for word translation
NLT - "thought for thought" translation with an emphasis on readability
KJV - the classic standard, beautiful language

The idea is to read passages first in the NASB or KJV and then, if you find something unclear or difficult to understand, try reading it in the NLT. That should hopefully be enough to clarify the passage in your mind so that you can go back to the more literal translation and make better sense of it. The fact that there are so many Bible resources online nowadays means that achieving a deep understanding of the Bible has never been easier or more accessible. There are multiple websites where you can compare translations side by side. Dozens of commentaries are available for free. http://www.ichthys.com is basically an enormous online systematic theology database. John McArthur has 50 years worth of verse-by-verse Bible teaching sermons you can stream from his website at http://www.gty.org (I strongly recommend both of those sites). There's just a vast wealth of biblical instruction available today for people to take advantage of if they so desire.

[size=8pt]"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.”[/size] [size=7pt] - Romans 8:18[/size]
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Just popped into my head:

NATURAL LAW

I am the truth, I only speak the truth, everything that is hidden will be revealed, etc.

All truth is predictable and observable as eternal truth with wisdom, (a promise of the holy spirit).

REFORM JUDAISM

Present the false as being truthful, via media and entertainment.
Rewrite history to obscure past truths, and control who teaches it.
Criminalise the ability to speak observable truth.
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#41

Best English Language Bible?

Quote: (04-17-2018 04:03 PM)Mage Wrote:  

Jesus doesn't discredit Jews at every turn. It's because it's so heated up a question in modern society you see it that way. The thing about Bible as with all books is that when you read it you are only going to see what is within you already.

Yeshua Christ was Jewish in origin himself after-all...
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#42

Best English Language Bible?

Quote: (04-17-2018 04:03 PM)Mage Wrote:  

Jesus doesn't discredit Jews at every turn. It's because it's so heated up a question in modern society you see it that way. The thing about Bible as with all books is that when you read it you are only going to see what is within you already.

He does, but you have to understand that in the Gospel of John the term "the Jews" mainly refers to the Pharisees and Temple and synagogue priests and officials. That is, the religious leadership of the Jews, and the essence of Judaism as a belief system. There were exceptions, such as Nicodemus, obviously. I could re-post the Woes of the Pharisees but I think it's easy to Google and read.

Likewise, Buddha was born to a Vedic family but in the end he wasn't a Vedic, and Buddhism and Vedism/Hinduism are essentially separate religions.

Was then Jesus a Jew? Yes, and no. For Judaism is not a race, it's a theological matter. If Mark Zuckerberg converts to Catholicism, he's no longer Jewish. They would want nothing to do with him because he will have left the tribe.
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#43

Best English Language Bible?

Just read the Bible all the way through in a version easy to digest as if it’s a novel. You’ll get a sense of context and spirit.

After this study it using several translations. Use bible hub.com and you’ll see the translations of many versions on a verse by verse basis.

This whole Bible translation purity argument is counter productive if it puts people off reading any of them.
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#44

Best English Language Bible?

Quote: (04-17-2018 09:42 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  

Quote: (04-17-2018 04:03 PM)Mage Wrote:  

Jesus doesn't discredit Jews at every turn. It's because it's so heated up a question in modern society you see it that way. The thing about Bible as with all books is that when you read it you are only going to see what is within you already.

He does, but you have to understand that in the Gospel of John the term "the Jews" mainly refers to the Pharisees and Temple and synagogue priests and officials. That is, the religious leadership of the Jews, and the essence of Judaism as a belief system. There were exceptions, such as Nicodemus, obviously. I could re-post the Woes of the Pharisees but I think it's easy to Google and read.

There is no single Judaism.

The same to AnonymousBosch who wrote a very long post full with mistakes, it's to Herculian a task to answer to it and everything he says.

The main thin is he compares natural Law to Reformed Judaism? Wtf?

He picked the easiest battle and boasts about it. So dishinest.

Why not pick Conservative Judaism. Why not pick Hasidim Judaism Why not pick Kabbalah?

Well obviously for three reasons:
- he doesn't know anything about them.
- he wont learn anything about them because he believes it is all Satanism anyway.
- he is being dishonest here.

Anyway there is no single type of Judaism - here is a handy flowchart showing you the most popular forms of judaism:

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As you can see Reform Judaism is but one group among many. If you want to make arguments against Judaism as a whole please include all groups shown in this image, with explanation why the one group of Judaism you belong to is better then others.
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#45

Best English Language Bible?

What's up with scorpion?

Talking about which is the best English Language.

Get out of here with that.

“The greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents.”

Carl Jung
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#46

Best English Language Bible?

Quote: (04-18-2018 06:43 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Anyway there is no single type of Judaism - here is a handy flowchart showing you the most popular forms of judaism:

I think I have to take with a considerable grain of salt the scholarship and level of research inherent in a flowchart that invents the word "factionation".

We get it, dude, pagans don't like Christians because they can't get over the fact they tended to get their asses handed to them by crusaders et. al. over 1000 years ago or so. Feel free to start a thread about authoritative texts or ideas on paganism so we can all come over and spitball your spirituality in that thread too, or hey, please demonstrate by a proven line of descent from no less than two thousand years or so back that you are following Authentic Pagan Belief Systems. Because I'm sure there's just no way any translation errors could have crept in when you're passing spiritual insights down by word of mouth and across different languages so long as the insights are pagan or pantheistic.

Remissas, discite, vivet.
God save us from people who mean well. -storm
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#47

Best English Language Bible?

Quote: (04-18-2018 11:06 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Quote: (04-18-2018 06:43 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Anyway there is no single type of Judaism - here is a handy flowchart showing you the most popular forms of judaism:

I think I have to take with a considerable grain of salt the scholarship and level of research inherent in a flowchart that invents the word "factionation".

We get it, dude, pagans don't like Christians because they can't get over the fact they tended to get their asses handed to them by crusaders et. al. over 1000 years ago or so. Feel free to start a thread about authoritative texts or ideas on paganism so we can all come over and spitball your spirituality in that thread too, or hey, please demonstrate by a proven line of descent from no less than two thousand years or so back that you are following Authentic Pagan Belief Systems. Because I'm sure there's just no way any translation errors could have crept in when you're passing spiritual insights down by word of mouth and across different languages so long as the insights are pagan or pantheistic.

Now, with a ridiculing tone switched on, you are just being a bully.

Proving Pagan point about Christians being bullies who's religion only expands and survives by force.

By our logic Communism is superior to Christianity because Communism took over traditional Christian countries by force and kicked Orthodox Tsar's ass.

You see you Christians act as if you preach love and peace, but it takes very little for you to start insulting those who believe differently and bragging about Crusader victory and what not. Even trough you have as much to do with ancient Crusaders as I have to do with ancient Vikings. Christians are in very big denial about their aggressiveness - it takes little to provoke a Christian to get angry and get violent and become a fanatic soldier for benefit of King.

Also, you don't understand Paganism. You try to understand it like a Scriptural religion, like yours, and when it fails you conclude it is inferior. You see paganism doesn't depend on uninterrupted line of tradition, scripture and priesthood being passed down generations like Abrahamic scriptural religions, because paganism is about Natural law and seeing internal and external forces around and within human as divine. So it can be reconstructed by observing and learning from natural forces each time anew. Paganism is immortal, in fact Game itself as most members practice it is paganism, recognition and application of forces of masculine power and identity - it is cult of Pan, even trough no one in game recognizes pan as a God anymore. It is defiantly not Christian to seduce and game women - it is a pagan devotion to Pan.
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#48

Best English Language Bible?

@Mage

You should start a thread in the Deep Forum called Christian/Pagan Debate to End All Debates.

You would have many takers and could argue forever.

By the way, do you have any suggestions for an English Language Bible?

I like the J.B. Phillips Bible. It is a paraphrase Bible with an interesting history and it got a thumbs up from C.S. Lewis.

“The greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents.”

Carl Jung
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#49

Best English Language Bible?

Quote: (04-16-2018 04:56 PM)Garuda Wrote:  

find a copy of the Douay-Rheims. It's the English translation of the Latin Vulgate, which was compiled mostly by St. Jerome. The Vulgate was declared to be the official Latin Bible of the Catholic Church at the Council of Trent and was used from 1592-1979.

If you want to compare English wording to the original Greek and Hebrew, there's the Interlinear Bible. It has all of the original Greek and Hebrew texts with a direct English wording below them. Then there's numbers above that key into Greek/Hebrew dictionaries, lexicons and etc.

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I started with a King James, with the spiritually exalted and poetic language- the height of English language above Shakespeare and, to me, more inspiring to read than more modern, even if easier to read, translations. However to me much the Old Testament is near inaccessible (but not Ecclesiastes, which is incredible in the KJV).

Then I became Catholic, and the Douay-Rheims is like the Catholic KJV.
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#50

Best English Language Bible?

Quote: (04-18-2018 11:54 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Now, with a ridiculing tone switched on, you are just being a bully.

Nah, man, that's just ridiculing. As in what the pagans in this thread seem to have decided to go with, notwithstanding that to anyone reasonable watching they have pretty much zero reason to be in a thread that's talking about comparisons between Biblical translations; if you can't take it, don't dish it out.

Quote: (04-18-2018 11:54 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Proving Pagan point about Christians being bullies who's religion only expands and survives by force.

Because the personal is political, right, bro?

Quote: (04-18-2018 11:54 AM)Mage Wrote:  

By our logic Communism is superior to Christianity because Communism took over traditional Christian countries by force and kicked Orthodox Tsar's ass.

Funny, I seem to remember Russia isn't communist anymore. Or any of the Warsaw Pact countries, really. That only took 50 years or so to get over that silliness, the church has been around roughly 2,000 - which one was superior again?

But while we're at it, would you like to specify a nation on the planet where the majority of the population fill in the word 'pagan' on their census?


Quote: (04-18-2018 11:54 AM)Mage Wrote:  

You see you Christians act as if you preach love and peace, but it takes very little for you to start insulting those who believe differently and bragging about Crusader victory and what not. Even trough you have as much to do with ancient Crusaders as I have to do with ancient Vikings. Christians are in very big denial about their aggressiveness - it takes little to provoke a Christian to get angry and get violent and become a fanatic soldier for benefit of King.

What you're doing here is called "Projection".


Quote: (04-18-2018 11:54 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Also, you don't understand Paganism. You try to understand it like a Scriptural religion, like yours, and when it fails you conclude it is inferior. You see paganism doesn't depend on uninterrupted line of tradition, scripture and priesthood being passed down generations like Abrahamic scriptural religions, because paganism is about Natural law and seeing internal and external forces around and within human as divine. So it can be reconstructed by observing and learning from natural forces each time anew. Paganism is immortal, in fact Game itself as most members practice it is paganism, recognition and application of forces of masculine power and identity - it is cult of Pan, even trough no one in game recognizes pan as a God anymore. It is defiantly not Christian to seduce and game women - it is a pagan devotion to Pan.

Too bad that without an authentic set of texts or a clear idea of where and what paganism came from, you have literally zero idea about whether you're actually a pagan or just doing something entirely different to what pagans in past centuries or ages did. Paganism is just a cult, dude, thanks for identifying it as such.

Remissas, discite, vivet.
God save us from people who mean well. -storm
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