[booshala]

(06-06-2018 12:00 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Congratulations. Do not feel bad about not meeting your initial goal. My first fast, I had a goal of five days and only made it 3-1/2 days. It just felt like it was time to stop (weak as a kitten), so I did.

Everything that you mentioned sounds typical (i.e., within the range of normalcy), except for one thing: losing 17 pounds in only five days. That is a great deal of weight in a short time. For example, I lost almost exactly twenty pounds during a 14-day water-only fast. I think that a pound to a pound-and-a-half is fairly typical for weight loss, with two pounds at the top end of the range. Of course, everyone is different. Perhaps you are a really big guy, so losing more than three pounds a day is proportional to your weight. Thanks for sharing your fasting story.

Thanks for the encouragement. Don't feel bad at all, 5 days is nothing to be ashamed of and it would've been foolish to suffer exorbitantly. The last 24 hours were just to see if the nausea/headaches were temporary or not. To your point about the weight-loss, my walk around weight is from 165-175 @ 5'10", but I've always had issues with water retention, probably from being morbidly obese until I was 20.

My girlfriend insisted on having dinner out at our favorite Korean restaurant right before the start of the fast, and so I gained an extra 5-6 lbs. from the sodium bomb I had that last meal. I was expecting most of the total weight to come back after resuming eating so I'm very pleasantly surprised that a decent chunk has stayed off.

[Dulceácido]

(06-06-2018 12:38 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(06-06-2018 12:06 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

(06-05-2018 11:40 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Bain was quite clear about the type of conspiracy that he meant: "It sad bc profit is more important to them than people's real health."

I then identified one particular conspiracy (of many) factually proven in a court of law, where Monsanto created fake scientific reports and then paid corrupt scientists to sign them, proving the existence of the exact type of conspiracy that Bain mentioned (where a food company places profits above the health of its customers). The example that I provided is the dictionary definition of conspiracy: "A conspiracy is a secret agreement by people to commit something wrong or illegal." People are charged with criminal conspiracy every day in court.

At this point, I must assume that you are a troll, because no one is stupid enough not to look up the dictionary definition of conspiracy, much less someone who is a scientist. Of course, if you truly are a scientist -- and half as ignorant as you have demonstrated -- then you are the poster child for why people no longer trust scientists as a group.

It really sucks that obvious trolls such as yourself take over these threads, where thinking men are trying to improve their lives.

Bain, who I respect slightly more than you, said, "I really believe that half the world population is going to die out in the next 150 years. And the food, medical and pharmaceutical industries are going to be the main cause of that." Maybe you didn't read that part, or maybe you're just picking and choosing things out of context (your modus operandi) to make yourself sound legit, and you are failing miserably.

What he stated is absolutely true. About 99% of all auto-immune disease is caused by food intake and toxin overload caused because corporate "profit is more important to them than people's real health."

Then when these people get sick, big pharma provides them with "medicine" that addresses the symptoms rather than the underlying causes (junk food and toxin overload). "The average 70-year-old is taking seven different prescription medications,” said Altman." "So far the OFFSIDES database includes an average of 329 new adverse events for each of the 1,332 drugs included in the system." So, an average 70-year-old is taking seven different prescription medications each of which can have over 300 potential side effects. Yea, nothing going on there.

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2...rithm.html

This article was published by Stanford Medicine, so probably nothing that would interest you.

At least you didn't have a meltdown... I was hoping for one, but no dice.

And again, I don't think I'll be able to have a biology-based discussion with you because you don't have the capacity, but I applaud your effort/decision to, finally, consult a legitimate source with validity. Well done.

I'm going to try to keep this on a level that maybe--just maybe--you can comprehend:

Do you have any idea the level of what is called "cellular environmental insult" that has been inflicted upon a human body by the age of 70? Every time you step into the sun... Every time you inhale smoke... Every time you drink alcohol... Every time you eat sugar... Every time you consume more fat than you can process or expel because you're sedentary... Maybe you have a chronic injury or lost a limb... Not to mention congenital defects or hereditary genetic disposition to any number of diseases and on and on.

All of these things are cumulative over a lifetime. This is also known as "aging." Diseases happen in "progression." Some are rapid and some have a longer onset. By the time you are 70, most people are basically, slowly circling the big toilet. Organs are failing. Organ systems are failing. Mental faculties are decreasing. Sensory perception is washing away. Reaction time is greatly reduced due to slow-firing neurotransmitters or cognitive disfunction which perceives those signals much more slowly or even fragmented...

Those people need medication. Medication can help relieve or delay some of the symptoms or effects of that systematic decline of your body, also know as dying.

Drugs have side effects. Hundreds and hundreds of side effects are possible with some drugs. But, the reality is, most people do not experience every single side effect of every medication. Most people experience none whatsoever.

[Bain]

Of course old age brings on diseases that medication is best appropriate. In fact even when you are young and healthy even then some diseases may best be treated by medication. Just bc you fast does not mean you will not get ill. I think the good and bad luck of your genes has a lot to do with it.

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I have just completed two days of a dry fast -- no water and feel amazing. Light and full of energy. The joys of real health which fasting gives. Down about 8 lbs. It amazes me how much I have been urinating though not having any water. To me this is ample proof of autophagy -- consumption of the body’s own tissue as a metabolic process -- primarily fat tissue.

I feel I can easily do three days - no hunger or thirst at all. But that water melon in my fridge looks so good right now. So no pressure on myself. If I want that water melon than I will take it anytime.

Dam, I feel blessed.

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Nice article here:

Autophagy: The Real Way to Cleanse Your Body
https://greatist.com/live/autophagy-fasting-exercise

[Tail Gunner]

(06-06-2018 01:06 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

(06-06-2018 12:38 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(06-06-2018 12:06 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

(06-05-2018 11:40 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Bain was quite clear about the type of conspiracy that he meant: "It sad bc profit is more important to them than people's real health."

I then identified one particular conspiracy (of many) factually proven in a court of law, where Monsanto created fake scientific reports and then paid corrupt scientists to sign them, proving the existence of the exact type of conspiracy that Bain mentioned (where a food company places profits above the health of its customers). The example that I provided is the dictionary definition of conspiracy: "A conspiracy is a secret agreement by people to commit something wrong or illegal." People are charged with criminal conspiracy every day in court.

At this point, I must assume that you are a troll, because no one is stupid enough not to look up the dictionary definition of conspiracy, much less someone who is a scientist. Of course, if you truly are a scientist -- and half as ignorant as you have demonstrated -- then you are the poster child for why people no longer trust scientists as a group.

It really sucks that obvious trolls such as yourself take over these threads, where thinking men are trying to improve their lives.

Bain, who I respect slightly more than you, said, "I really believe that half the world population is going to die out in the next 150 years. And the food, medical and pharmaceutical industries are going to be the main cause of that." Maybe you didn't read that part, or maybe you're just picking and choosing things out of context (your modus operandi) to make yourself sound legit, and you are failing miserably.

What he stated is absolutely true. About 99% of all auto-immune disease is caused by food intake and toxin overload caused because corporate "profit is more important to them than people's real health."

Then when these people get sick, big pharma provides them with "medicine" that addresses the symptoms rather than the underlying causes (junk food and toxin overload). "The average 70-year-old is taking seven different prescription medications,” said Altman." "So far the OFFSIDES database includes an average of 329 new adverse events for each of the 1,332 drugs included in the system." So, an average 70-year-old is taking seven different prescription medications each of which can have over 300 potential side effects. Yea, nothing going on there.

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2...rithm.html

This article was published by Stanford Medicine, so probably nothing that would interest you.

At least you didn't have a meltdown... I was hoping for one, but no dice.

And again, I don't think I'll be able to have a biology-based discussion with you because you don't have the capacity, but I applaud your effort/decision to, finally, consult a legitimate source with validity. Well done.

I'm going to try to keep this on a level that maybe--just maybe--you can comprehend:

Do you have any idea the level of what is called "cellular environmental insult" that has been inflicted upon a human body by the age of 70? Every time you step into the sun... Every time you inhale smoke... Every time you drink alcohol... Every time you eat sugar... Every time you consume more fat than you can process or expel because you're sedentary... Maybe you have a chronic injury or lost a limb... Not to mention congenital defects or hereditary genetic disposition to any number of diseases and on and on.

All of these things are cumulative over a lifetime. This is also known as "aging." Diseases happen in "progression." Some are rapid and some have a longer onset. By the time you are 70, most people are basically, slowly circling the big toilet. Organs are failing. Organ systems are failing. Mental faculties are decreasing. Sensory perception is washing away. Reaction time is greatly reduced due to slow-firing neurotransmitters or cognitive disfunction which perceives those signals much more slowly or even fragmented...

Those people need medication. Medication can help relieve or delay some of the symptoms or effects of that systematic decline of your body, also know as dying.

Drugs have side effects. Hundreds and hundreds of side effects are possible with some drugs. But, the reality is, most people do not experience every single side effect of every medication. Most people experience none whatsoever.

Typical. I talk specifically about how the vast majority of autoimmune disease is caused by junk food and man-made toxins -- and you talk about the simple aging process. Yet another red herring argument. Our ancestors remained healthy into old age and the vast majority had no need for modern day prescription medicines to remain alive -- or even to maintain their quality of life.

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But the inclusion of infant mortality rates in calculating life expectancy creates the mistaken impression that earlier generations died at a young age; Americans were not dying en masse at the age of 46 in 1907. The fact is that the maximum human lifespan — a concept often confused with "life expectancy" — has remained more or less the same for thousands of years. The idea that our ancestors routinely died young (say, at age 40) has no basis in scientific fact.

https://www.livescience.com/10569-human-...years.html


All the "blue zones" prove that when humans do not place refined foods into their mouths they will live far longer than the average person -- and have a far better quality of life. One of those blue zones is located right in California, so it is not exactly an exotic way of life. More than half of the keys to longevity deal with what you place into your body, which is why fasting works (the equivalent of not polluting your body with poor food for awhile).

https://www.bluezones.com/exploration/lo...alifornia/

(06-06-2018 01:06 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

Drugs have side effects. Hundreds and hundreds of side effects are possible with some drugs. But, the reality is, most people do not experience every single side effect of every medication. Most people experience none whatsoever.

This last point is simply nonsensical and ignorant. The average prescription drug has about 300 known side effects and most of them happen at a molecular level (or some other level that is imperceptible) but that still causes significant harm. And you have hundreds of these hidden reactions and inter-reactions occurring for each prescription drug that is taken. This is not normal -- and a recent occurrence in human history -- caused mostly by poor diet.

[Bain]

TG - you are on fire man! I had no idea you had such interesting knowledge on the subject. So glad you do bc I am also learning a lot more.

By now I would have quit the thread bc of so many skeptics.

All the vast number of living species - from insects to large animals -- and all plants even -- have perfect health bc they are forced to live in nature's rules.

It is only humans with all their so called intelligence - that suffer from poor health.

It makes you wonder.

[Tail Gunner]

(06-06-2018 10:48 AM)Bain Wrote:  

TG - you are on fire man! I had no idea you had such interesting knowledge on the subject. So glad you do bc I am also learning a lot more.

I have lived through this stuff, man. Actually lived it. I have siblings with lupus, MS, and other serious autoimmune disease. So, when I developed similar symptoms about six or seven years ago, I was very concerned. I spent two years dealing with allopathic doctors, hoping that their magic pills would cure my ills. But my health only continued to deteriorate.

About 4-1/2 years ago, I finally consulted a board certified nutritionist (whose background included completely curing herself of MS). She literally helped me more in one week than multiple doctors had helped me in years. I filled out a twenty-page questionnaire and, just based on my symptoms, she informed me that I was gluten intolerant. I gave up gluten and immediately felt far better. It was definitely a long process because, because while I had no problem with eliminating gluten, I was still stubborn and did not wish to give up my crap food. What kept me going (in terms of improving my health by changing my diet) was seeing the vast improvements in health every time I gave up another form of junk food.

I have literally read hundreds of books on holistic health, countless articles on the web, and given up refined foods, gluten, and other junk food. I eat mostly organic fruits and vegetables with a moderate amount of meat. As a result, my health has gone from a 5 (out of 10) on a good day -- and a 3 on a bad day -- to a solid 8 heading towards 9 (with 10 being perfect health). My water-only fasting was just one of many phases in regaining my health.

I want to emphasize that I am not a "health nut," but simply try to eat what our ancestors ate as recently as 100 years ago. I follow the Parento Principle of trying to exact 80% of the gain from 20% of the effort -- so as to remain balanced and not become obsessive compulsive about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle


Simple things matter. For example, I have been a lifelong insomniac. After some research, I now go asleep at the same time each night (in sync with our circadian rhythms), put up some blackout curtains, and play a white noise generator -- and now I quickly fall asleep. A life-long problem simply evaporated by eliminating light pollution and sound pollution and by sleeping in tune with sunset and sunrise. Nature takes care of the rest.

So, having lived through this ordeal, I am far more apt to listen to someone like yourself who has actual experience with dry fasting (although I never heard of it before reading this thread) than to someone who proclaims himself a scientist and has no firsthand experience with actual reality. At one time, the finest minds in the world thought that the earth was flat -- and, as a matter of logic, it seemed to make perfect sense. Reality was otherwise. The Bible noted "the circle of the Earth" thousands of years before scientists got the message:

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He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

Isaiah 40:22

[Bain]

I completed another three day hard dry fast. Meaning no consuming food or water and no showers even. I did however wash my face and shave.

This is my second time doing a three day hard dry fast. This time it was quite easy to do and I feel I could have easily gone longer maybe up to five days.

I am convinced by my experience that the body can go without even water for a long period -- up to 7 days and maybe even more.

We are all lead to believe dehydration is dangerous. But even after three days with no water I was still urinating a good amount. That proves to me that autophagy really does work -- the body starts to consume its own primarily fat tissues which is mostly made of hydrogen - which is then combined with the oxygen we breath - and the result is the body creates its own water.

Hard dry fasting requires one builds up to it -- I have done three - 10 day water only fasts and one day a week dry fasts for over ten years -- so my body is well prepared.

A lot of my information comes from the snake diet fitness instructor on You Tube who strongly promotes the benefits of hard dry fasting. For more info it is best to check out his many videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rur5llcmCHM

[asdfk]

TG, I agree that people dealing with hard to treat diseases may experiment when there are no real cures. But the risk of those experiments should be clearly laid out so one can make an educated decision.

In times when people considered the earth flat, the right thing to do was to warn explorers they might fall off if they go too far. In hindsight this was wrong but at the time this was assumed to be true and it would be dangerous to let someone go on without informing them of the potential risk.

People can make decisions for themselves when they have enough intelligence and enough data. Witholding data on risks or persuading someone the risk is minimal (in absence of real data) is actively minimising someone's chances to succeed. Anyone who does that is not doing any favours to this community, just as someone who calls experimenters "retarded" is not helping. The need for experimentation in lack of alternatives is real but it should be done as thoughtful as possible, will it have the chance to give the most benefit to anybody involved (including the experimentee, including the people watching).

[Tail Gunner]

(06-07-2018 06:10 AM)asdfk Wrote:  

TG, I agree that people dealing with hard to treat diseases may experiment when there are no real cures. But the risk of those experiments should be clearly laid out so one can make an educated decision.

In times when people considered the earth flat, the right thing to do was to warn explorers they might fall off if they go too far. In hindsight this was wrong but at the time this was assumed to be true and it would be dangerous to let someone go on without informing them of the potential risk.

People can make decisions for themselves when they have enough intelligence and enough data. Witholding data on risks or persuading someone the risk is minimal (in absence of real data) is actively minimising someone's chances to succeed. Anyone who does that is not doing any favours to this community, just as someone who calls experimenters "retarded" is not helping. The need for experimentation in lack of alternatives is real but it should be done as thoughtful as possible, will it have the chance to give the most benefit to anybody involved (including the experimentee, including the people watching).

I do not disagree with most of what you said, but that is not what happened here (which I explain below). I also strongly disagree with your original premise:

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TG, I agree that people dealing with hard to treat diseases may experiment when there are no real cures.

The majority of modern diseases, including almost all autoimmune diseases, have cures. The cure is exactly the same as the prevention: proper diet, moderate exercise, reduction of stress, proper sleep, and limiting the number of toxins entering the body. I know, because not only have I experienced it first-hand, but I also follow much of the cutting edge science. Has anyone else on this thread actually stayed at the best fasting clinic in the world and had daily access to doctors who work at such a clinic? The problem, for most people, is that the cure is slow (it takes years to reverse decades of abuse) or too radical for them (giving up junk food).

The problem occurs in these threads when naysayers pop up out of nowhere, crap all over everyone, and make dogmatic pronouncements based upon nothing more than old suppositions and stale failed "science" to hijack threads and to thwart thinking men from bettering themselves. For all we know, Bain has discovered how to prevent cancer when eating the Standard American Diet (SAD), i.e., dry fasting for one day a week over the course of decades. We will never know, however, because of our rigid scientific and medical establishments that forgo big bold studies that help mankind if it cannot produce a profit.

Our education system is also to blame. In most classrooms, there is little room for curiosity and experimentation. An authority figure steps up to the podium to feed us “the truth.” Textbooks magically reveal the “right answers” to questions. We learn about Newton’s “laws” -- as if they arrived by a divine visitation or by a stroke of genius -- but not the years he spent exploring and revising them (not to mention his experiments in alchemy, which failed spectacularly).

In a typical chemistry class, the outcome of each experiment is predetermined. There was no room for curiosity or unexpected insights. If you didn’t get the “right result,” you are stuck in the lab repeating the same experiment over and over again. Proper methodology is prized far above the actual learning experience, much less questioning the status quo.

As a result, we are taught to believe there is one right answer to each question. We believe that this right answer has already been discovered by someone far smarter than us. We believe the answer can therefore be found in a moldy text book or a Google search of the so-called mainstream experts. I see exactly this type of thinking displayed on this forum on a regular basis by a particular type of closed-minded disruptive troll who would rather proclaim outside-the-box thinkers idiots rather than engage in a constructive dialogue. Said rather simply: these classic blue-pill men are rigidly incapable of independent thought and they demand the same from everyone else, under pain of mocking derision. There should be a no tolerance policy for such shallow disruptive trolls, meaning that they must be directly confronted with their ignorant blue-pill conduct.

Thomas Jefferson said it best:

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I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.

[heavy]

(06-07-2018 06:10 AM)asdfk Wrote:  

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In times when people considered the earth flat, the right thing to do was to warn explorers they might fall off if they go too far. In hindsight this was wrong but at the time this was assumed to be true and it would be dangerous to let someone go on without informing them of the potential risk.
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I'm sure you contribute a lot of great things to this forum, but I just can't let this post go...

[Bain]

This thread has got some gold information on the subject of real health and fasting.

It would be great if other forum members would give fasting a try and post your experiences and results.

Everyone would benefit especially the one who does the fast.

[Tail Gunner]

(06-07-2018 07:38 PM)Bain Wrote:  

This thread has got some gold information on the subject of real health and fasting.

It would be great if other forum members would give fasting a try and post your experiences and results.

Everyone would benefit especially the one who does the fast.

For the past two weeks I have eaten Kitchari for approximately 80% of my meals to detox and cleanse my body. I will probably do the same for the next week or two, then end the process with some type of fast. I am undertaking this process to give my digestive system a rest after eating a raw organic salad almost everyday for lunch for the past four years. Even a healthy raw food diet can tax the digestive system if you do not provide it with a periodic rest, so a periodic healthy cooked food cleanse can help to restore it.

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Kitchari, pronounced kich-ah-ree and sometimes spelled khichadi or khichdi, has long been used to nourish babies and the elderly, the sick, and the healthy during special times of detox, cleansing, and deep spiritual practice.

A simple, porridge-like blend of beans and rice, kitchari is often referred to as the Indian comfort food. But perhaps contrary to the western idea of comfort food or even health food, kitchari has many nourishing and cleansing benefits.

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To be called kitchari, the rice has to be cooked with a legume. Traditionally, that legume was split yellow mung dahl beans. These are the only legumes that are classified as “vata balancing” in Ayurveda. This means that, unlike every other type of beans or lentils, they will not produce any intestinal gas. [quote]

This article contains the exact recipe that I use, except that I quadruple the spices (even with all those spices it still tastes rather bland until you add the sea salt and ghee). For a true cleanse, you should omit the ghee.

https://lifespa.com/whats-so-amazing-about-khichadi/


If you have great difficulty with a water-only fast, a kitchari cleanse can be a great place to start. It will help prepare you for your fast -- and allow you to recover from any food addiction withdrawals before you begin your fast.

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Kitchari for Cleansing

During a cleanse, it is essential to have adequate protein to keep the blood sugar stable and the body burning fat.

One of the most common reasons folks have trouble with cleansing is due to unstable blood sugars made worse by the detox process. During a fast, for example, you are asked to drink only water, juice or veggies. For many, this type of austere fasting can be a strain and deplete blood sugar reserves. Then folks get really hungry, irritable, and end up with a low blood sugar headache or crash. While the goal of a fast is to shift the body into fat metabolism and detox the fat cells, this will not happen if the body is under stress and strain as a result of a difficult fast.

Here’s the basic equation:

Stress = Fat storing
No Stress = Fat burning

If you are attempting to detox heavy metals, preservatives, chemicals, pesticides and environmental toxins from your fat cells with a cleanse, make sure that you are not straining, or the amount of fat burned will be minimal.

Kitchari provides nourishment in the form of a complete protein that will keep the blood sugars stable during a cleanse. Otherwise, ironically, the body may react to the cleanse as a fat-storing emergency!

The goal of any effective cleanse should be to convince the body and the cells that life is not an emergency and that it is okay to burn that stored fat and release toxins. During a kitchari cleanse, you are eating this complete protein three meals a day, so there is no starvation response whatsoever.

https://lifespa.com/whats-so-amazing-about-khichadi/

[Dulceácido]

Next post: The amazing health benefits of strychnine!

(Sponsored by the Global Conspiracy Involving The Health Benefits Of Strychnine Consumption)
Here's a cool website....

"If you don't agree with me, it's a red herring! Waaaaa!!! Waaaaaa!"

[Leads]

Did a 14-day fast back in 2000 and was in my first apartment alone and met this massage girl that talked me into only drinking carrot juice for 2 weeks. Yes, she was amazing and far above my normal scroungy hoes of the past. She came down from the mountain and stuck out like a chrome bumper. Anyway, I had recently quit a 75/hr job for a defense contractor (which sucked) and had my first summer off as an adult.

All I can say is that it brought a "gates of heaven" experience that defies language and goes well beyond the scope of this fucking text box. It was certainly on par with the psychedelic experiences of my then recent youth. The god awful stuff that left my body was unreal. I do recall her mentioning others that had colored shit which turned out to be crayons that they ate as children.

I understand the heavy fear assiciated with not eating, but in the US a fast is almost mandatory if you want to live for more than "a minute"

EDIT: I also went from 270 to 200 lbs which was 100% due to this experience.

[Tail Gunner]

(06-07-2018 10:55 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

Next post: The amazing health benefits of strychnine!

(Sponsored by the Global Conspiracy Involving The Health Benefits Of Strychnine Consumption)
Here's a cool website....

"If you don't agree with me, it's a red herring! Waaaaa!!! Waaaaaa!"

This is your last warning.

   

[Bain]

That was good info on Kitchari. Being Indian myself, but raised in Canada as a child, my mother use to make it when I was young but it has been a long time since I have had it. I am definitely going to reintroduce it now. Many thanks again.

Right now I am trying to focus on low carbs keto diet. I need to burn 40 lbs of fat.

[Belgrano]

(06-07-2018 11:06 PM)Leads Wrote:  

Did a 14-day fast back in 2000 and was in my first apartment alone and met this massage girl that talked me into only drinking carrot juice for 2 weeks.

The god awful stuff that left my body was unreal. I do recall her mentioning others that had colored shit which turned out to be crayons that they ate as children.

Or maybe the colored shit was due to consuming nothing else but carrot juice for a few weeks.

[YoungBlade]

Look how dessicated this poor girl is.

Her skin is prematurely wrinkling, she's loopy, she can't focus.

This is what happens when you do this nonsense. Let's hope she gets help before day 100.

[Bain]

Fasting is simply a tool. If you want it to decimate you it will. It you want it to give you optimum health, it can -will.

You are responsible and accountable how you use the tool.

[Tail Gunner]

(06-08-2018 09:28 AM)Bain Wrote:  

Fasting is simply a tool. If you want it to decimate you it will. It you want it to give you optimum health, it can -will.

You are responsible and accountable how you use the tool.

It is odd that posters ignore the dozen or so first-hand accounts from forum members about the effectiveness of fasting and other therapeutic modalities, and videos by medical doctors who have supervised thousands of fasts, but will then make random comments without any factual support or post random videos from Youtube (as if that proves something). That is some seriously warped hamster thinking. The average person no longer possess critical thinking skills.

[YoungBlade]

(06-08-2018 09:56 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 09:28 AM)Bain Wrote:  

Fasting is simply a tool. If you want it to decimate you it will. It you want it to give you optimum health, it can -will.

You are responsible and accountable how you use the tool.

It is odd that posters ignore the dozen or so first-hand accounts from forum members about the effectiveness of fasting and other therapeutic modalities, and videos by medical doctors who have supervised thousands of fasts, but will then make random comments without any factual support or post random videos from Youtube (as if that proves something). That is some seriously warped hamster thinking. The average person no longer possess critical thinking skills.

I agree. It takes critical thinking to understand that water fasting and dry fasting are stupid decisions.

[Tail Gunner]

(06-08-2018 11:59 AM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 09:56 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 09:28 AM)Bain Wrote:  

Fasting is simply a tool. If you want it to decimate you it will. It you want it to give you optimum health, it can -will.

You are responsible and accountable how you use the tool.

It is odd that posters ignore the dozen or so first-hand accounts from forum members about the effectiveness of fasting and other therapeutic modalities, and videos by medical doctors who have supervised thousands of fasts, but will then make random comments without any factual support or post random videos from Youtube (as if that proves something). That is some seriously warped hamster thinking. The average person no longer possess critical thinking skills.

I agree. It takes critical thinking to understand that water fasting and dry fasting are stupid decisions.

Critical thinking demands proof, evidence, and facts. You have presented none.

You have simply designated yourself as a blue pill thinker and a close-minded human crab.

It is interesting how men on this forum will believe every story about a threesome (or even a foursome), but then refuse to even entertain proven ideas that have been around for thousands of years (such as fasting).

Hey, modern science just "discovered" that the brain contains a lymph system:

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-rel...our-brains


Yet, this same fact was recognized by ayurvedic medicine for thousands of years.

https://lifespa.com/3-ways-cleanse-brain-lymph/

[YoungBlade]

(06-08-2018 12:35 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 11:59 AM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 09:56 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 09:28 AM)Bain Wrote:  

Fasting is simply a tool. If you want it to decimate you it will. It you want it to give you optimum health, it can -will.

You are responsible and accountable how you use the tool.

It is odd that posters ignore the dozen or so first-hand accounts from forum members about the effectiveness of fasting and other therapeutic modalities, and videos by medical doctors who have supervised thousands of fasts, but will then make random comments without any factual support or post random videos from Youtube (as if that proves something). That is some seriously warped hamster thinking. The average person no longer possess critical thinking skills.

I agree. It takes critical thinking to understand that water fasting and dry fasting are stupid decisions.

Critical thinking demands proof, evidence, and facts. You have presented none.

You have simply designated yourself as a blue pill thinker and a close-minded human crab.

It is interesting how men on this forum will believe every story about a threesome (or even a foursome), but then refuse to even entertain proven ideas that have been around for thousands of years (such as fasting).

Hey, modern science just "discovered" that the brain contains a lymph system:

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-rel...our-brains


Yet, this same fact was recognized by ayurvedic medicine for thousands of years.

https://lifespa.com/3-ways-cleanse-brain-lymph/

"You're trying to keep me down!" cried the man proselytizing starvation.

[Bain]

I would say 99% of the world's 8 billion people have never even considered fasting. It is way out of one's imagination usually because its too difficult to do in the beginning at least. Many still seem to think that even missing a lunch might give them a heart attack.

So there are going to be many skeptics out there.

I would rather keep the focus on the topic myself.

Unless there is constructive dialog - it is likely better just filter out the negativity. There are many who are interested also.

[Tail Gunner]

(06-08-2018 12:50 PM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 12:35 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 11:59 AM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 09:56 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 09:28 AM)Bain Wrote:  

Fasting is simply a tool. If you want it to decimate you it will. It you want it to give you optimum health, it can -will.

You are responsible and accountable how you use the tool.

It is odd that posters ignore the dozen or so first-hand accounts from forum members about the effectiveness of fasting and other therapeutic modalities, and videos by medical doctors who have supervised thousands of fasts, but will then make random comments without any factual support or post random videos from Youtube (as if that proves something). That is some seriously warped hamster thinking. The average person no longer possess critical thinking skills.

I agree. It takes critical thinking to understand that water fasting and dry fasting are stupid decisions.

Critical thinking demands proof, evidence, and facts. You have presented none.

You have simply designated yourself as a blue pill thinker and a close-minded human crab.

It is interesting how men on this forum will believe every story about a threesome (or even a foursome), but then refuse to even entertain proven ideas that have been around for thousands of years (such as fasting).

Hey, modern science just "discovered" that the brain contains a lymph system:

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-rel...our-brains


Yet, this same fact was recognized by ayurvedic medicine for thousands of years.

https://lifespa.com/3-ways-cleanse-brain-lymph/

"You're trying to keep me down!" cried the man proselytizing starvation.

Wait a minute. I just noticed that you created a thread about the benefits of "earthing." Yet, you are here criticizing people for fasting. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. While I have an open mind about earthing, there are far more documented materials about the health benefits of fasting than there are about the health benefits of earthing, which is a relatively new theory (although people have also been walking barefoot for thousands of years). You are quite the hypocrite.