[mikado]

(03-07-2018 08:18 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

< There are no easy solutions. I censor myself only partly with my family, though not that much overall, because I am too much of a dick and too convincing over time. They like me despite the overall stuff I say, because I laugh a lot and also love them - this helps with the family.

But of course - most of my full views are shared by Red Pill men. And truth of the matter is - currently none of us will change the world at all even by creating a big Red Pill family. This shit will have to run it's course - we can only sail our own ship.

I can see that lol. Even I am known for not having a problem making feminist and racist jokes (especially towards blacks), however I keep that out of the ears of my boss obviously. Being a dick and macho is no problem for me haha. However the problem arises when you cannot say red pill stuff to people because they might beat you up, or ostracize your family because you are going against what they perceive as religion (example: Murids in Senegal, who cannot accept criticizing of Ahmadou Bamba without beating your ass up).

Or when people criticize you for "becoming french" because you say that you don't like somebody showing up unannounced at your home at whatever hour they want, and have you serve them food and dedicate hours to them (which is the norm in Senegal), whereas I am a guy who likes privacy and having some plans to carry on without having to change them abruptly often. Or lambasting me because I make fun of fat and ugly women who claim for body positivity while demanding 6'4" jacked and rich guys, and insinuating I am a woman hater, and that the Prophet recommanded to take women for their faith. Sure, however I ain't gonna pray all night with her (but I can make her pray while hitting it from behind- which is impossible for me with a tub of lard)

This is why I think the alt right is wrong, and that the battle must not be on race principles, but more on red-pill ones. Black men especially can be very red-pill (I think you all know that), and for me, it's not race that's making the West trail behind, but more like the SJWness. If I ask my black guy friends: "Do you believe that there is too much political correctness, and that women are using too often victimhood to reach their objectives?" Almost all would say yes. On the other hand, if you ask them whether IQ is important, and that the blacks have less, obviously they will react negatively.

Maybe I have pink colored glasses, but this is the reason why for me, a place like RooshVforum will be far more productive than a Stormfront. Because we all here have interests that transcend race or color.

[MMM]

Would rip that belt off her waist, tie her hands behind her back, bend her over that grey chair and impale her sweet spot.  Then I'd wipe the excess cum off my member on her horse gums and Chiclet teeth. 

(Day 17 of No Fap, Grrrr).

P.S. After obtaining her signed consent, of course.

[mikado]

The "chubby chaser" tag fits you very well

[Aurini]

(03-07-2018 08:36 AM)mikado Wrote:  

This is why I think the alt right is wrong, and that the battle must not be on race principles, but more on red-pill ones. Black men especially can be very red-pill (I think you all know that), and for me, it's not race that's making the West trail behind, but more like the SJWness. If I ask my black guy friends: "Do you believe that there is too much political correctness, and that women are using too often victimhood to reach their objectives?" Almost all would say yes. On the other hand, if you ask them whether IQ is important, and that the blacks have less, obviously they will react negatively.

I 100% agree, and have been saying this for some time.

Nick Fuentes sums it up pretty well with this tweet:

[url=https://twitter.com/NickJFuentes/status/970867431873961984][/url]

Race is not THE thing; it is not the bedrock of Super Good Funtime Theory, the way many of these losers treat it. However, it's not nothing. Right now, we're bending over backwards to pretend it doesn't exist, and White are expected to smile while their future is dispossessed.

My earlier point is that this woman - despite flippant, casual statements - never said "The Black race is a race of mongrels, who deserve the White boot on their neck." As far as I can tell, only one (((group))) of people think like that (and even then, not all of them), and while you can mistake them for White, they hold us in equal contempt.

She said blunt, simplistic statements, but they seemed to be coming from a realist context, not a hatred/supremacy context.

Note I'm not defending her - I'm merely saying that calling her a White Supremacist is libelous. It's like Tunderf00t calling me a Holocaust Denier because I subscribe to the mainstream, Functionalist school of thought, rather this his Red Skull conspiracy theory.

[mikado]

(03-07-2018 10:02 AM)Aurini Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 08:36 AM)mikado Wrote:  

This is why I think the alt right is wrong, and that the battle must not be on race principles, but more on red-pill ones. Black men especially can be very red-pill (I think you all know that), and for me, it's not race that's making the West trail behind, but more like the SJWness. If I ask my black guy friends: "Do you believe that there is too much political correctness, and that women are using too often victimhood to reach their objectives?" Almost all would say yes. On the other hand, if you ask them whether IQ is important, and that the blacks have less, obviously they will react negatively.

I 100% agree, and have been saying this for some time.

Nick Fuentes sums it up pretty well with this tweet:

[url=https://twitter.com/NickJFuentes/status/970867431873961984][/url]

Race is not THE thing; it is not the bedrock of Super Good Funtime Theory, the way many of these losers treat it. However, it's not nothing. Right now, we're bending over backwards to pretend it doesn't exist, and White are expected to smile while their future is dispossessed.

My earlier point is that this woman - despite flippant, casual statements - never said "The Black race is a race of mongrels, who deserve the White boot on their neck." As far as I can tell, only one (((group))) of people think like that (and even then, not all of them), and while you can mistake them for White, they hold us in equal contempt.

She said blunt, simplistic statements, but they seemed to be coming from a realist context, not a hatred/supremacy context.

Note I'm not defending her - I'm merely saying that calling her a White Supremacist is libelous. It's like Tunderf00t calling me a Holocaust Denier because I subscribe to the mainstream, Functionalist school of thought, rather this his Red Skull conspiracy theory.

I get your point. The focus must shift from the race aspect, to those like political correctness, or even feminism (remember, you are more likely to attract other demographics on stuff like feminism, which fuck over everyone except white liberal women).

If this woman said something like "we must be able to use free speech, and agree that despite the same opportunities, not everyone will succeed after school, based on several factors such as social class, economic reasons, or the environment surrounding the kid. Maybe we should adapt school policies depending on the schools, instead of applying the same policies to everyone".

That gives her enough plausible deniability, pretty much everyone agrees with that, and she can keep her job.

If you attack frontally a demographic, which has some power over you (parents of those Nigerian kids you assume as inferior), then you should expect a swift payback.

I am a scientific, and I make stuff that will probably be used by everyone, including liberals. If I go in the media criticizing liberals for having a trend of using the stuff I make, guess what? I will be fired.

The world is not fair, but that's what it is.

[bbgun]

These people don't sound very educated. Ivy League denizens rarely get exposed as white supremacists. It's always the Billy Bob crowd.

[Aurini]

While I'll defend her against extremist claims like White Supremacist, I don't think what she did was particularly wise. Without knowing more about her, it's 50/50 in my mind that she's either A) Naive, and phrasing contetious topics overly-simplistically and poorly, or B) Attention whoring and being offensive for the sake of being offensive.

Hardly a fan of the latter, but she deserves the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. The people screaming for her blood want us dead too, after all.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(03-07-2018 08:36 AM)mikado Wrote:  

This is why I think the alt right is wrong, and that the battle must not be on race principles, but more on red-pill ones. Black men especially can be very red-pill (I think you all know that), and for me, it's not race that's making the West trail behind, but more like the SJWness. If I ask my black guy friends: "Do you believe that there is too much political correctness, and that women are using too often victimhood to reach their objectives?" Almost all would say yes. On the other hand, if you ask them whether IQ is important, and that the blacks have less, obviously they will react negatively.

Maybe I have pink colored glasses, but this is the reason why for me, a place like RooshVforum will be far more productive than a Stormfront. Because we all here have interests that transcend race or color.

The Alt-Right is utterly subverted and won't go anywhere.

RVF and race is not as important, because the RVF black dudes are highly selected. I estimate most of them to be beyond an IQ of 100, probably even beyond 110+ with certain guys going deep into MENSA territory. If that were the black population in the world and the West, then no one would be having a black history month.

If that were the case, then the only issue would be not to overdo the cross pollination too much, so that blondes and redheads don't die out. Moderate amounts of interracial bonds would not hurt so much - maybe even enhance both races.

But as I said - RVF blacks are not indicative of the world. Even the RVF Whites and Asians are not indicative of their own respective races.

We could easily include all RVF blacks into predominantly white ethno-state and give each man a white woman. Their genes would only add to the genome. But go and take 300 mio. Africans and put them to Europe; anyone who thinks that Europe would still be first world in a few years after that is deluded. Even ancient Abyssinia - the likely highest African civilization came about 1000 years ago partly due to Caucasian blood (30% at least) and Christian mindset.

Thus race still remains of importance. I wish it weren't, but it is. And I am a guy who believes in reincarnation, but I am sure that the soul who inhabits a border collie will be behaving differently at that time than if the soul happened to be in the body of a boxer.

Personally I think that humanity will one day adopt either strong k-selected positive eugenics or DNA tweaking. Everyone including blacks will become significantly more intelligent with the looks also being highly improved. It's all a matter of time before this happens.

[debeguiled]

She reminds me of the PUA dudes who owned a coffee shop and got outed and ostracized.

The internet tricks people by lulling them into complacency with temporary anonymity, and they get careless and think they are free to say any old thing.

It is hard to know if she even knew what she was saying, or was just imitating the people she thought were cool on the internet.

The internet rewards you for being more extreme than you would be in conversation, more sure of yourself, more emphatic about stuff you really don't have the facts about.

I notice this in myself all the time, kind of meaning things, but also vying for attention and certainty.

This girl is a dummy and a sucker, and a sacrificial lamb for people who don't know her, don't care about her students, and will move on to someone else when they get bored.

There is better and wiser discussion of race in this thread than someone like her will ever know.

Just a girl on the internet.

[Krimson Killa]

(03-07-2018 05:14 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

That's a blatant misunderstanding - the average of those countries are not comparable. Individually you can have a genius-level Nigerian and a moron blonde Swede. Collectively the results are clear or Nigeria would be more like Switzerland if it had average Swedish intellectual capacity.

Though - that does not mean that you have to be a dick and be riding around on it. Everyone needs to be treated equally even if you can mention that for example IQ distribution among men and women are different and the extreme poles on the bottom and top are populated more by men than women, but the averages are more clustered with women.

Thing is, she's saying that ANY Nigerian is going to have a different level of intelligence than ANY Swedish kid. This is different from acknowledging that the average IQ of Nigeria and Sweden are different and trying to understand why that may be the case.

Ashkenazi Jews are statistically higher IQ than either you or I. If you went into a job interview, would you want an interviewer to automatically assume that you are stupider and less capable than an Ashkenazi Jew applicant? I'm not trying to be argumentative here -- just that this woman's way of seeing the world is not IMO compatible with educating children or being in a position of power. Neither are her liberal equivalents (SJW radical feminist teachers) but that's a different story.

(03-07-2018 05:14 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

The concept of White Supremacy by the way has become as murky as racism or your rape allegation which can mean staring at a woman in the elevator or farting in public.

Strictly speaking White Supremacy should only mean that Whites feel that they can dominate any other race or tribe by the simple merit of their pasty skin color regardless whether they are imbeciles - also that they are forever superior no matter what they do and no matter whether the other side is represented by genius-level blacks who all are significantly smarter than them. The very concept is also anti-Christian, because it dehumanized the other races.

I doubt that there are many White supremacists left who actually believe that.

I doubt many white supremacists want to conquer and recolonize the globe. White supremacy to me at least means that white people are inherently better, more intelligent, and have cultures that are completely superior to non-white people in every way. The corollary of this is that non-white people are inherently stupider, weaker, etc. This a belief that like it or not was prevalent in the west for hundreds of years -- much like Muslims believing that their religion was supreme or upper-caste Hindus viewing Untouchables as being less than human.

Now if someone personally believes this, that's their own problem -- there are people all over the world who believe all kinds of wacky shit. I just personally wouldn't want someone like that trying to push these views in the classroom (as this woman repeatedly admitted).

(03-07-2018 05:14 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

But for the argument - let's assume I have a half-black son who is super-smart and he is going to be sent into class to this lady. Would I feel fine with it? Depends. Her social media history may be more radical than she is in real life. I would count on my son to tell me the truth. If he thinks she is a stupid ass bitch and her reading about global averages lets her treat my half-black genius son differently just because of it, then I am getting my kid out of there. If she can keep most of her political opinions to herself and treats my son fairly, then I don't think that I would care. The pussy-hat wearing majority would probably treat my son even worse giving him "extra help" or making any kind of concession to him based on his skin-color.[/b]

You sound like a good guy -- I agree with this completely. I was bombarded with SJW propaganda in college, to the point where it got in the way of my learning. I was actually taking an African history class as an elective -- the professor barely talked about actual African civilizations and instead went on and on about colonialism and racism. SJWism is absolutely a negative force in education right now -- it stifles intellectualism.

This is an aside, but I feel like pro-white activism is not being expressed well right now -- a lot more headway could be made helping poor whites get STEM education/marketable skills and helping repair white families. Instead of doing this (actual meaningful change) the alt-right just LARPs around with Nazi imagery and memes. Autismal trolling like this just hurts the right and further polarizes the country.

[MMX2010]

2Wycked Wrote:

It is a really odd position to take in America, given it was white supremacists who first transported black people to America so they could use them as slaves.

To be fair, modern White Supremacists want to deport Black people back to Africa OR segregate Black people within America so that Whites no longer have to subsidize Black people through taxes and employment. Espousing this position to modern Black race-grievance tellers results in immediate recoil and ironic horror. ("Of course, I said America is a White Supremacist country, but that doesn't mean I want to remove Whites from positions of power!")

2Wycked Wrote:

Since "white race-realists" still refuse to regard black people as people with dignity and needs that are the same as their own, all they will is get more conflict, violence and, yes, maybe collapse. The way forward would be a careful study of Martin Luther King, Jr. and related thinkers, but we all know white people who spend their time online pearl-clutching over the collapse of white culture ain't got no time for that.

My favorite White Nationalist already did a video on this, accusing MLK of being a corporate fraud whose sole purpose was to preach racial integration so that everyone's wages would decrease. The video's thesis that "Slavery and segregation aren't oppression." is well-argued and highly triggering.

[MMX2010]

Suits Wrote:

I believe in genuine equality. I don't need to rephrase because I don't think that anyone should be getting preferential treatment based on race.

Do you live in your nation's poorest neighborhood, or do you try to maximize your personal happiness by not doing so?

[kaotic]

Man the thirst is real on this thread, putting tradthot's on a pedestal.

[MMX2010]

Krimson Killer Wrote:

Thing is, she's saying that ANY Nigerian is going to have a different level of intelligence than ANY Swedish kid.

Can you paste either a tweet or a direct quote of her saying such a thing, lest you share a kindred spirit with Cathy Newman?

[godfather dust]

(03-07-2018 01:01 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Man the thirst is real on this thread, putting tradthot's on a pedestal.

Yeah, I don't think I have high standards for the forum at all, I would be content fucking 6s and the occasional 7 the rest of my life.

That said, what part of this chick makes her a WB for any of you? Ugly face, bad body. Maybe when I was a teenager I would fuck her because I would fuck anything but I doubt I could get hard for this chick.

[kaotic]

(03-07-2018 01:23 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

That said, what part of this chick makes her a WB for any of you? Ugly face, bad body. Maybe when I was a teenager I would fuck her because I would fuck anything but I doubt I could get hard for this chick.

It's her talking points that give dudes here a hard on.

Pussy on a pedestal when she's just another donkey.

The sad fact is, she's just another tradthot that we talked about:

thread-60025-page-18.html

And now just like any other female hamster - she's going to relish in the spotlight as much as she can - of course posting vlogs and asking for donations.

I don't care what she talks about, but she's a dime a dozen like other tradthots - but she shouldn't be teaching at all (hell most teachers are fucked in their beliefs).

Secondly if she really wanted to do some good, she'd be populating the US with her own offspring and a strong father figure husband.

[MMX2010]

kaotic Wrote:

Secondly if she really wanted to do some good, she'd be populating the US with her own offspring and a strong father figure husband.

Is this also true for the men of RVF who have no children -
especially the ones who have strong political opinions, and double especially Roosh because he coined the term Neo-Masculinity OR do you only apply this standard to women?

[kaotic]

(03-07-2018 02:17 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

kaotic Wrote:

Secondly if she really wanted to do some good, she'd be populating the US with her own offspring and a strong father figure husband.

Is this also true for the men of RVF who have no children -
especially the ones who have strong political opinions, and double especially Roosh because he coined the term Neo-Masculinity OR do you only apply this standard to women?

Women only, they are the gatekeepers for offspring.

Time and time again we see why 99% of women shouldn't be in politics.

They can't be trusted, and alot of them cut and run.

Alt Right Waifu's are a fad for them.

[MMX2010]

kaotic Wrote:

Women only, they are the gatekeepers for offspring.

Do you simultaneously believe that "women are the, gatekeepers of offspring" AND "Single motherhood is a very destructive force, particularly for boys who are raised without fathers."?

I'm asking because believing the first thing reduces your personal effectiveness in believing the second thing.

[H₂O]

WB. Nothing brings more joy than stuffing the ass of a white, chubby 5 who thinks she's better than me.

[kaotic]

(03-07-2018 02:38 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

kaotic Wrote:

Women only, they are the gatekeepers for offspring.

Do you simultaneously believe that "women are the, gatekeepers of offspring" AND "Single motherhood is a very destructive force, particularly for boys who are raised without fathers."?

I'm asking because believing the first thing reduces your personal effectiveness in believing the second thing.

Dude I'm not getting into another circle jerking debate with you lol. So this is my only response to you.

Let me put it clearly:
-This chick is a donkey
-There are some thirsty dudes in this thread
-I don't condemn or condone her opinion
-I do think she shouldn't be in a position of teaching students
-Tradthots are a real thing
-Attention whores gonna attention whore

On family:
-If she was a "trad" then she wouldn't be teaching, she'd have a family.
-A good "trad" woman is a gatekeeper, meaning she doesn't sleep around and have kids with just "anyone"
-The family would be nuclear and father would be a leader.
-Said gatekeeper would be a great mother and wife, support the husband, and raise respectable men.

That's it, that's all.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(03-07-2018 12:55 PM)Krimson Killa Wrote:  

You sound like a good guy -- I agree with this completely. I was bombarded with SJW propaganda in college, to the point where it got in the way of my learning. I was actually taking an African history class as an elective -- the professor barely talked about actual African civilizations and instead went on and on about colonialism and racism. SJWism is absolutely a negative force in education right now -- it stifles intellectualism.

This is an aside, but I feel like pro-white activism is not being expressed well right now -- a lot more headway could be made helping poor whites get STEM education/marketable skills and helping repair white families. Instead of doing this (actual meaningful change) the alt-right just LARPs around with Nazi imagery and memes. Autismal trolling like this just hurts the right and further polarizes the country.

I don't think that you can get much headway with that. Jordan Peterson had plenty of experiences with regard to IQ and training. You would need multiple generations to improve things in the white US IQ-lowlands like Appalachia. While some of it is caused by constant inbreeding, the question is how much will be able to go up and how fast.

The jobs which require low intellectual input currently are disappearing fast in the West. Some economies don't have anything to do for the Whites with the lowest 15% of IQ, so there are no simple solutions to all of it.

A good way would be for financed positive eugenics, but that would make the population smarter and the elite is not interested in that. They want control and not a smarter population. That is why their plans for Africa do not encompass subsidizing the births for high-IQ blacks and also paying others for sterilization and welfare after having just 1-2 children. No -instead their plans for Africa is to import the Chinese and their future military force in the tens of millions and let them take over. It will be colonialism 2.0, but maybe with more mixed marriages and plenty of half-Chinese later co-managing their own continent.

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But bringing it back to the topic - I don't think that the views of that woman would be any worse than what propaganda is taught in most schools anyway. Even if I had a half-black son in her class, then I would tell him to prove her wrong at least about some black folk and leave it at that.

It's more a sign of the times we live in and truly reminds me of those Holistic Game coffeeshop guys who spoke about their sexy experiences in their podcasts while having businesses fully dependent on hipsters and SJWs. She was careless and overly uppity.

Also she is a woman, so don't be surprised if she would attempt to bang a guy like Atlanta Man within 20 minutes of meeting him. Statistics are statistics, but pussy wants what pussy wants.

[EndsExpect]

(03-06-2018 10:51 PM)Krimson Killa Wrote:  

Thing is, white liberals aren't all boogeymen who want to turn your sons into pansexual otherkin. I grew up in Oregon and California (I am not white) and had several white liberal teachers. Most of them were completely normal people who happened to vote Democrat and believe in racial equality. For what it's worth I went to high school in a place that had a ton of Egyptians, Palestinians, Indians, and Asians -- no white liberal teacher ever made me feel out of place or inferior.
If I were black, however, I would absolutely not be comfortable sending my kid to a class taught by a blatant white supremacist -- someone who openly says that it's impossible for a Nigerian kid to be as intelligent as a Swede (despite African immigrants in the states being incredibly successful). Fuck if I'd want my kids in the hands of a teacher who could fuck over their grades and confidence because of their race.
FWIW the only reason we are seeing shit like this in 2018 is because SJWs have been going bananas in the last fifteen years. It's an equal and opposite reaction, but that doesn't really make white supremacists better. Both are cancer IMO and have no place in America.

I grew up in a very conservative area, lots of hispanics, very few black people not far from Oregon. I worked for the Democratic party for 10 years in both paid and unpaid positions. The governor of my state would likely recognize me. I know liberals very well and I know how they think and feel about things.

My opinion is also based on solid research. One of the most interesting pieces is from Amy Chua and her husband. They look at groups like Nigerians and ask the question... why are they so successful in America while other groups like Haitians fail? She developed something called the Triple Package theory... which explains some of these situations. I suggest reading it. It provides a framework for understanding why low expectations are so damaging to a child.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not arguing in favor of racist teachers. I've had several teachers that openly hate men, and the class was a pain in the ass because of it. I think that these are equivalent things. I will however say that I don't see black kids shooting up schools and it makes me wonder why.

Regarding SJW's... The reason they seem to be going bananas is that they have reached a tipping point within their strongholds of Academia and Media. There is a strategy behind it. They are making these workplaces openly hostile to people who believe differently to maintain the stronghold, which allows them to always be on offense. The second part is to signal to moderates that they have to choose sides, and they better choose to sit with the cool kids.

SJWs are the cancer. Alt-Right racists are just reactionaries. Most of them don't even really believe their own bullshit. The most racist girl I grew up with... won a local beauty pageant. Used to rag on black people all the time. She married a black guy maybe 10 years ago... they have 3 daughters. The truth is that she disliked stereotypical black culture more than black people. The guy she married might be the whitest black guy I've ever met culturally speaking. Besides, how many Alt-Right guys are out there dating Asian women? It's nothing new. Since race doesn't exist, racial beliefs have always been wacky... I mean Hitler gave Japanese and Chinese people Ayran status... meaning they were racially equivalent to Germans in his mind. Anyway... it's easier to teach racists to not be racist than to teach SJW's to not be cunts.

[Rhyme or Reason]

The guy's here arguing about supremacist vs race realist are talking past each other. I don't see that as the point of contention. We know if she had been spouting SJW shit on and offline she would still have her job. But just because she zigged when the culture at large is zagging doesn't mean she's doing something other than attention seeking. The tradthot fad has been going on long enough for me to look at this broad and just shrug my shoulders. She's going where the attention is, it's that simple.

Oh and people who don't eventually want to get doxxed don't show their faces.

Where she's at is somewhere between and

[TigerMandingo]

(03-07-2018 01:01 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Man the thirst is real on this thread, putting tradthot's on a pedestal.

I don't think there's any thirst. At the same time, like DOBA says, are we NEVER allowed to give credit to a redpill woman without accusing her of being a "tradthot"? She ain't the best looking, I'll give you that. But it is very refreshing to see a girl with some traditional views every now and then.