[Dragan]

(03-01-2018 08:22 AM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 07:29 AM)ActaNonVerba Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 01:18 PM)christpuncher Wrote:  

Not surprising we're seeing increases of pussy paradise competition. Western millenial and gen x men are doing as good as they ever have in 10 years, stocks and incomes are up, disposable income and plane tickets available.

Wait for the next big recession and we'll all be thinking more about how to scrimp pennies and keep our jobs... Svetlana will have to wait.

The lucky guys who go unaffected by recession or have already set up life abroad will be loving it.

I think you're partly right but then there's also a majority of men with a weaker mindset more than ever before. Those guys are, even if they're travelling a lot, definitely not going to be successful with the ladies. Income levels have been more or less the same in the past 10 years in Western Europe. Travelling longer distances became more popular but that doesn't mean a large amount of people is going to fly to places they consider to be pussy paradises. They just want to do the digital nomad soyboy thing and will maybe hook up with a German girl in a bar in Bangkok.

Young guys who are just starting out should do that though. Go to some city with a big backpacker scene or lots of international students like Barcelona, Bangkok or Berlin, stay in a youth hostel and sit there and hone their game and maybe find a wingman to travel farther East.

For more experienced guys, I don't see why nobody is trying smaller cities in EE. Once you get more than two hours away from an international airport the number of tourists drops down to close to zero. Especially in non-summer months. There are some datasheets on a few cities but they usually don't get much attention unless somebody like Roosh goes there and writes about it. I would be looking to cities like Lviv or Kosice (i've been to Kosice but not Lviv). These are off the beaten path but full of the kind of girls everybody here wants to meet. The risk is that there aren't many places to go out and if you get shut out you'll probably have a whole days travel to get to the next place. But between Day Game. Tinder game and pipelining there will be stuff to do every day.

You are exactly right man. Backpacking is a great intro to game, to boost confidence, and see the true nature of women first hand (ie an unpolished setting where they engage in hedonism just like everyone else).

EE is where it's at, the more stigmatized countries and the smaller cities. Avoid beach in Croatia, Prague, Krakow and Warsaw Poland (if you think your value is low there, and too many tourists). Belgrade is fantastic, and although I haven't been to Kiev, I think it is probably very similar, plus a bit cheaper than Kiev. Maybe not as many bombshells, but serbian women are great, and are into all sorts of culture and stuff, and are great to party with too, they are so fun to hang out with. Belgrade is big, 1.5 mil, and I only like had one convo the whole time I was there with an English speaking tourist, that's quite an accomplishment. I did not see much of the hostel scene in BGD, because i wasn't hanging out at the hostel, but I went to some bars they frequent, and I highly advise the more adventurous dudes to do it. You won't be disappointed. Eveyone in the country looks up to Westerners, big fans of Italians, Spanish, English, Americans in particular. I put out a datasheet on Macedonia, the Captitol Skopje, which is like completely off the radar for everyone, and it's like the cheapest european capitol almost. No encounters with english speaking tourists at all! and if there were any, I did not see any visually! Very high value here as a foreigner. Only tourists come from the former Yugoslavia countries. With 500,000 people only options are very limited, but the women are so sweet, they are almost like your younger sister, no BS, and very nice girls. Also more conservative and never interact with any foreigners. They are the best girls period and you could slay if you spent some time here. Stip Macedonia I also recommend. There are like 2 foreigners (other than a few turk students) in the town--1 african, 1 russian. Also it's a University town, so lots of girls. Check it out man. Great places. I think I'm the first person on the forum that posted about Stip, lol!.

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(02-28-2018 01:18 PM)christpuncher Wrote:  

Not surprising we're seeing increases of pussy paradise competition. Western millenial and gen x men are doing as good as they ever have in 10 years, stocks and incomes are up, disposable income and plane tickets available.

Wait for the next big recession and we'll all be thinking more about how to scrimp pennies and keep our jobs... Svetlana will have to wait.

The lucky guys who go unaffected by recession or have already set up life abroad will be loving it.

I've been thinking of posting this for a long time. Get your ducks in a row/order/etc boys, when the standard of living finally isn't the same, when the game has changed, when fuel isn't so cheap to fly all around the world, when credit isn't so easy to come by ...

things magically revert. And chicken little posters vanish, because the sky actually fell. Well sort of, at least, but meaningfully enough.

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(03-01-2018 07:29 AM)ActaNonVerba Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 01:18 PM)christpuncher Wrote:  

Not surprising we're seeing increases of pussy paradise competition. Western millenial and gen x men are doing as good as they ever have in 10 years, stocks and incomes are up, disposable income and plane tickets available.

Wait for the next big recession and we'll all be thinking more about how to scrimp pennies and keep our jobs... Svetlana will have to wait.

The lucky guys who go unaffected by recession or have already set up life abroad will be loving it.

I think you're partly right but then there's also a majority of men with a weaker mindset more than ever before. Those guys are, even if they're travelling a lot, definitely not going to be successful with the ladies. Income levels have been more or less the same in the past 10 years in Western Europe. Travelling longer distances became more popular but that doesn't mean a large amount of people is going to fly to places they consider to be pussy paradises. They just want to do the digital nomad soyboy thing and will maybe hook up with a German girl in a bar in Bangkok.

In many ways the worse competition has made things harder because of the new technology. The attention whoring with dating apps, IG, social media etc. has exploded in large part due to the weaker mindset although it is true it would have increased just due to pure biology as well. What it doesn't force is the distinction of value in real approaching though that used to disqualify the weaker mindset to a greater degree. If women love attention like men love sex, do you see how any [tech] suitor ruins the game?

[Aladdin]

Chicken little posters? So anyone who discovered this great forum in his 40s doesn't have any nuggets of wisdom to offer? Ok, then, repped 20 year old kids are more reliable. Dream on.

[birthday cat]

^ Some guys don't know when to stop.

I doubt that any of the four guys with 150+ rep points that have already called you out in this thread are less than 30.

You aren't reliable because you contradict yourself in this thread. First you say "Poland and Ukraine are finished". Then you say "I don't have to do anything to pull. Just show up." Within one thread you have taken both sides of the argument that I described here and both sides are wrong.

Over half of your posts on this forum are about how terrible Poland is and telling guys to avoid Poland. Your very first post on this forum.....

(02-04-2018 01:46 PM)Aladdin Wrote:  

Polish guy here. Polish girls are the hardest in Europe and i advice you all to move on.

Now why would a Polish guy who lives in Poland be so motivated to tell us how difficult Poland is?.....especially when it is so easy for you because you "don't have to do anything to pull. Just show up"?

What happened bro? Did an RVF guy steal your girl and now you are trying to keep the competition away?

Maybe you should buy one of Roosh's books and learn some game instead of trolling us.

[kuningasvoittamaton]

My friend lived in Tallinn in the 90's and she told me how the ferry from Helsinki to Tallinn was full of men who went to fuck Russian and Estonian women in the Estonia after the Soviet Union fell. They would bring them jeans, nicer clothes and cosmetics and these fat and ugly men would get 10/10 girls. Many of them also got married and the girls would come to Finland. When I was a kid my old and fat neighbor had a young supermodel looking redhead Russian woman as a wife he had met that way.

I think the fall of Soviet Union and the difference in wealth between Western Europe and Eastern Europe was a unique situation and those times are over. Now if you go to Tallinn you have to have game and because of Internet people know about the thirsty westerners etc. Only thing going on is exotic look if you travel abroad.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(03-02-2018 03:45 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

^ Some guys don't know when to stop.

I doubt that any of the four guys with 150+ rep points that have already called you out in this thread are less than 30.

You aren't reliable because you contradict yourself in this thread. First you say "Poland and Ukraine are finished". Then you say "I don't have to do anything to pull. Just show up." Within one thread you have taken both sides of the argument that I described here and both sides are wrong.

Over half of your posts on this forum are about how terrible Poland is and telling guys to avoid Poland. Your very first post on this forum.....

(02-04-2018 01:46 PM)Aladdin Wrote:  

Polish guy here. Polish girls are the hardest in Europe and i advice you all to move on.

Now why would a Polish guy who lives in Poland be so motivated to tell us how difficult Poland is?.....especially when it is so easy for you because you "don't have to do anything to pull. Just show up"?

What happened bro? Did an RVF guy steal your girl and now you are trying to keep the competition away?

Maybe you should buy one of Roosh's books and learn some game instead of trolling us.

Aladdin is the typical Muslim troll.

He hates Poland and the Polish people while living there. (this is typical of many non-assimilated Muslims - they hate the dirty Kuffars)
He gets laid instantly just by showing up and showing the ladies his beautiful mug - 8s and 9s approach and offer him pussy at once.
He claims that Poland is shit and that you should all go elsewhere - maybe Africa.

What is missing is the total meltdown where he goes apeshit and starts openly telling what he really thinks about everyone here, everyone in the West, every Kuffar in Poland or elsewhere - all countries that should be conquered by the most exalted religion of all.

[Aladdin]

I'm not a Muslim, YOU see Muslims everywhere. Chill out, man!

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(03-03-2018 04:41 AM)Aladdin Wrote:  

I'm not a Muslim, YOU see Muslims everywhere. Chill out, man!

[The Alpha Virgin]

What about Belarus ?

That country always seem to be forgotten in discussions about Eastern Europe, yet a few of the most high quality girls I've seen with not just looks going for them, have been from there. But I also have never been there.

[Akwesi]

(03-03-2018 05:20 AM)The Alpha Virgin Wrote:  

What about Belarus ?

That country always seem to be forgotten in discussions about Eastern Europe, yet a few of the most high quality girls I've seen with not just looks going for them, have been from there. But I also have never been there.

Belarus has been discussed many times on the forum. The consensus seems to be there is a lot of quality but you need long game and Russian.

[JohnQPublic]

It seems like most of the places people are giving up on are the locations with lots of beautiful blonde girls. Romania, Bulgaria and the lower Balkans don't get much attention (Dragan just wrote a good Serbia post). I've been to Romania and it can be great, especially once you get away from Bucharest. I think it's what Dragan would call a "stigmatized" country. Has anybody been to Iasi? It's a university town close to the Moldovan border. Known for romanian blondes. One of my friends who's been all over told me about that. Not too much Bulgaria info on the forum, but I'm going to try Sofia this year.

This whole hitting a new low thing is a common thing that happens over and over. It's called the Tragedy of the Commons: Anything of value that is cheap and abundant gets overused to the point where it is no longer of use to anyone. So EE Tier 1 girls are like the Buffalo.

[Nordwand]

(03-03-2018 03:33 AM)kuningasvoittamaton Wrote:  

My friend lived in Tallinn in the 90's and she told me how the ferry from Helsinki to Tallinn was full of men who went to fuck Russian and Estonian women in the Estonia after the Soviet Union fell. They would bring them jeans, nicer clothes and cosmetics and these fat and ugly men would get 10/10 girls. Many of them also got married and the girls would come to Finland. When I was a kid my old and fat neighbor had a young supermodel looking redhead Russian woman as a wife he had met that way.

I think the fall of Soviet Union and the difference in wealth between Western Europe and Eastern Europe was a unique situation and those times are over. Now if you go to Tallinn you have to have game and because of Internet people know about the thirsty westerners etc. Only thing going on is exotic look if you travel abroad.

A comment I read on a site about Romania a little while back stuck in my mind, regarding men going to EE with lofty ambitions: "It's not 1989 any more".

[Dragan]

(03-03-2018 05:24 AM)Akwesi Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 05:20 AM)The Alpha Virgin Wrote:  

What about Belarus ?

That country always seem to be forgotten in discussions about Eastern Europe, yet a few of the most high quality girls I've seen with not just looks going for them, have been from there. But I also have never been there.

Belarus has been discussed many times on the forum. The consensus seems to be there is a lot of quality but you need long game and Russian.

Belarus seems perfect in multiple ways: internationally maligned (so-called dictatorship, death penalty, failure to allow Goldman Sachs in), no wars, high value as a foreigner, relatively cheap (maybe more expensive than Ukraine), difficult to get there (in terms of having to get a visa), and smart/beautiful women that haven't been corrupted by Westernization quite yet.

I would give my left nut for someone on the forum to do like a datasheet from this year, or last, about the whole country, and staying there long term. I think Belarus is at the top of my list for places to travel to.

[icrus]

Haven't met a single Belarussian, male or female, in Moscow that had anything good to say about the country. All claim it's a dysfunctional shithole that you better escape sooner rather than later.

And on RVF it's held up as the beacon of light in terms of male travel destinations.

Lesson in there.

[Dragan]

(03-03-2018 03:49 PM)icrus Wrote:  

Haven't met a single Belarussian, male or female, in Moscow that had anything good to say about the country. All claim it's a dysfunctional shithole that you better escape sooner rather than later.

And on RVF it's held up as the beacon of light in terms of male travel destinations.

Lesson in there.

Well... They probably have higher aspirations. Moscow is like Ground Zero for people that desire to become famous/ go big.

There's probably not much going on in Belarus to be honest, but the reason people are interested, is the women... And yeah, I'm sure people are leaving left and right because it seems provincial as fuck... also helps that they have a travel agreement with russia, and you can stay there long term with no paperwork needed....

[Cambodian Creamsicle]

You have to spend money and time getting a visa for Belarus and it's only for 30 days. That's the big deterrent. It's also expensive relative to most other EE destinations. To top it off Minsk is quite dead and boring with shit weather most of the year. I spent the entire month of August there a few years back and it wasn't even hot mid summer.

Some good girls there though.

[Aladdin]

Go to Belarus, if you wanna feel like a complete outsider. I think some guys on here are close to losing their mind. I don't blame them. Westernisation sucks.

[JohnQPublic]

Everybody I know who went to Belarus got completely shutout and had nothing good to say about it. I think the best way to do it is pipeline on mamba and meet them when you are there, or better, find ones who are going on a trip and meet them there.

[traveler97]

(03-03-2018 01:36 PM)Dragan Wrote:  

Belarus seems perfect in multiple ways: internationally maligned (so-called dictatorship, death penalty, failure to allow Goldman Sachs in), no wars, high value as a foreigner, relatively cheap (maybe more expensive than Ukraine), difficult to get there (in terms of having to get a visa), and smart/beautiful women that haven't been corrupted by Westernization quite yet.

I would give my left nut for someone on the forum to do like a datasheet from this year, or last, about the whole country, and staying there long term. I think Belarus is at the top of my list for places to travel to.

I have been in Minsk in October 2017, and this is the best short answer I ever seen:

(03-03-2018 05:24 AM)Akwesi Wrote:  

Belarus has been discussed many times on the forum. The consensus seems to be there is a lot of quality but you need long game and Russian.

There's a reason if @Gopnik was there for 3 weeks (he wrote a datasheet, and it's still good), didn't get laid, and never went back there and choose Russia.

If you are not able to speak russian, it's better Poland, while if you're able to speak russian, it's 1000 times better Russia.
Don't waste your time there.

[Giacomo Casanova]

There are few phases in the evolution of the decline of a country. The first countries hit by the mass tourism in late '90 and beginning of '00 have been the Baltics and Czech Republic. Those countries were substantially played out after few years of invasion, but then the tourism evolved: local girls understood who were the cheap ryanair tourists and rejected them en masse. Since nobody was getting results, eventually the grass could grow again in a modified environment with higher prices and where game is required - generally being foreigner is no longer regarded as a disadvantage. So in such countries the bottom has been reached already.
Poland is at the moment in the worst situation; it was discovered later and hit in the last few years. The shields are now the highest and the situation is a complete disaster. Krakow is absolutely devastated in terms of nightlife, it's nearly impossible to be successful even if you have good looks and solid game. 99% of visitors are getting nothing, and even foreign residents are very disappointed according to the words on the street. I was recently in Southern Europe and for god sake, it is definitely better than Krakow even in Spain, Italy and France!
A first positive aspects is that prices are slightly going up in many clubs in the centre - cheap tourists won't get anymore free meals.
Ukraine is still not at the Polish levels in terms of hardness but there are many Turk-Americans who are devastating the environment with p4p. The country will be played out soon. We all know that Belarus is arduous as well if you don't speak fluent Russian.
So to summarize the situation has changed a lot, but still moronic westerners keep coming with cheap flights thinking to find an heaven and being totally disappointed in the end.

[Drix]

Thread 11000, 90% of the world is played out, tell me where can i show up and bang 9’s without effort?

Maybe I am too optimistic because i learned game in the hard way, but i think that even if the places are getting harder, a STAND UP guy with REAL GOOD GAME would overcome every obstacle.

In my case, I have the luck to be friend of some senior and good members who are still killing in “played out” places that get so much hate in this forum. I think that’s why high quality members call out every person as OP who blame places without solid arguments.

To conclude, Instead of looking for “easy places”, We should do our best to get the complete pack(looks, game, money) that can take years and hard work. After that, We would Kill and as a latin phrase tells: “El que quiera azul celeste que le cueste”.

[Aladdin]

Some accurate observations about Poland by GC, although most of his posts are full of frustration regarding his failure to yield satisfactory results in Poland. I don't blame him. He is not the first or the last that bites the dust.
Polish girls are a very weird bunch. They can make you feel really awesome with their kindness and sweetness and next day they are ghosted. And you don't understand WTF happened. And then you try to find the reasons, but it just does not make any sense. Even, Polish guys, face the same problems. I just read that Teddy Bear heading to the Philippines for easy lays. I haven't reached that point yet, but I'm pretty close. I can't pull so easy anymore, as I'm 45. But I do pull, as I look younger.

EE is finished, guys. R.I.P

[JohnQPublic]

(02-28-2018 11:42 AM)Aladdin Wrote:  

What are you talking about? My game is being local.
You are the one who travels thousands of miles, spends a shitload of money and leaves empty handed.
I don't have to do anything to pull. Just show up.
Nuff said.

(03-04-2018 12:41 PM)Aladdin Wrote:  

I just read that Teddy Bear heading to the Philippines for easy lays. I haven't reached that point yet, but I'm pretty close. I can't pull so easy anymore, as I'm 45. But I do pull, as I look younger.

EE is finished, guys. R.I.P

A little bit hard to follow. You just show up at home but it's harder to pull in other countries? If you are Polish, what about some info on smaller towns that could be good. And what about those Polish beach cities in the North? Any interesting opportunities?