[TigerMandingo]

(03-06-2018 06:41 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

A RVF member and British Indian moved to Poland some 2 years ago and fucked over 100 women in that time. And he is no super-good looking bloke - has just above average Game and intelligence. Online Game and some Daygame was sufficient to net those results.

Plenty of other guys do the same.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(03-22-2018 10:40 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 06:41 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

A RVF member and British Indian moved to Poland some 2 years ago and fucked over 100 women in that time. And he is no super-good looking bloke - has just above average Game and intelligence. Online Game and some Daygame was sufficient to net those results.

Plenty of other guys do the same.

Indeed impossible. But when Linux fucks 50 girls in Columbia within 2,5 months it's absolutely likely. And if someone who learned with and from Nick Krauser and others like that lives in a country with added exotic advantage and far superior economic status, then he cannot do it at all.

Most guys like everywhere else don't approach at all, they rely totally on their non-existent online Game and other gimmicks.

But it's impossible while I remember Roosh saying that he had at times perfect weeks in Poland 7 notches in 7 days and sometimes came close to perfect months - meaning up to 30 notches a month. Sure - he slowed down later, but does not mean that it cannot be done.

But 4 girls a month is impossible? Most professional pick up artists manage around 25-30 per year while living in the West and travelling only to Eastern Europe occasionally. You have other guys here even in the West cracking 20 notches in march this year, but hey - believe what you want.

Poland is still a place where you can walk down to the supermarket and find 3 hot targets to approach. Recently discussed it with a friend of mine who says that going out on Daygame in Austria is brutal because at times they had 2-3 approachable girls in 4 hours on a busy street. 2-3 girls is what I see when I walk 200 meters on a side-street.

[TigerMandingo]

Sure, it's possible. I was just pointing out your ridiculous assertion that "plenty of other guys" are doing it, which is total horseshit and for which you have no evidence other than hearsay. But now you're bringing LINUX into the mix. From what I understand, he's jacked and fairly good-looking, with a high degree of confidence. And Colombia is not Poland.

You're telling us that anyone can move to Poland and have Leo Dicaprio-levels of success with hotties. Come on dude...

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Nah - point taken.

Plenty of others is a tiny proportion of men. Plenty meant in this context that those guys exist because I met them and even I managed numbers of 4-6 per month when I moved here.

He could do it, because he is moderately good-looking, has a great job by Polish standards, has a posh British accent and most important his Game was influenced heavily by one of the best teachers in the world - also seeing his online Game pictures, they were even better.

So no - it's not "plenty".

Most guys even when Red Pill aware moving to Poland will do better than at home, but they certainly will never reach 4 per month or Roosh's perfect weeks of 7 per 7 days. In fact I met quite a few who could not score once after trying for a week or two. But for someone who approached 1000+ girls in the West with significant Game skills - yes that bloke will do well here.

[666]

Great thread, but going in circles. Some people should respect the local men. Who do you think you are? Just another sex tourist in Poland. Learn to respect the local men otherwise rot in the West.

[Cad and Bounder]

One aspect which has not been raised yet is the fact that local guys are becoming very game aware. This issue seems to go under the radar because we naturally focus on our community -- the away team.

However, the local guys are really fucking things up big time in certain cities. I'm not beating up in them per se, but logically thinking, they do have lower SMV than "us" because 1. A guy from a city full of hot girls that needs pua is usually low SMV 2. The away team is usually battle hardened and doesn't travel unless he's confident in his ability. Whereas a local guy just walks down his street.

Unfortunately, this means girls are getting a huge amount of validation and pedestalization from these 'ohh can I take a picture with you for my friends" chumps and it's making things harder. You can argue that "they are no competition etc' but anything that raises girls' perception of their own value is going to make things worse in my view.

This is definitely becoming a problem in E.Europe -- and I think it's largely a response to local guys seeing foreign guys coming over and gaming etc -- but what about South America?

Another point worth considering is that significant numbers of young attractive women have just left these places altogether-- Bulgaria, Romania and even Ukraine are good examples -- sucked in by the EU male value tapping machine.

[Giacomo Casanova]

The points touched are interesting. We can see Zelcorpion shilling Poland as usual, but if you face the field daily and hit your head against the wall, you know already that the reality is not the one that he is describing. The mistake done by Westerners is reading old reviews when Poland, Ukraine, etc. were easy country. I even talked yesterday with a guy telling me Polish girls have a reputation of being easy and he has never been to Poland. Probably he was listening some stories of 5/10 years ago. If you moved or traveled extensively in such places you know that Eastern Europe used to be a great place where you could find reasonably girls even above your value. I lived those years. I had crazy and amazing situations in the past with dream girls. In the past it was true, EE was better than West. Now everything has changed in the last few years with the invasion of the desperate people from Western countries (and also third world countries) and other factors. Zelcorpion mentioned about going to supermarket and finding attractive girls. That's right. But overall how many of them will be open to go out with you, stranger and foreigner? The psychological aspect is important. You see couples with the attractive girl hand by hand with a busted guy. You think: hey, I should have life easier then. But this doesn't imply that if you are good looking, well dressed, wealthier...you will get laid with girls of her level or above. In Poland in 2018 you are likely to date down instead (slightly better instead in Ukraine).
I am just coming back from a trip to a Mediterranean country, and I would say that the reactions of the girls at the approaches are the same if not better than in Poland. I didn't find any disturbing sex tourists unlike we see in Poland, and life was easier. The chances to get laid are exactly the same I would say. The quality that you will get will be exactly the same. I have been several times in Western countries in the last few months and I found game easier than in some EE countries where you receive questions like a detective investigation why you are there, what you do, if you want only have sex, and similar bullshit.
Game in Western countries is recognized though and if you are a successful guy, it may be easier than in former communist countries where many girls regard all guys on the same level.
Russia is another story in my opinion. A world apart. It is still good and better than West.

[666]

Is Russia still good? I doubt. I would rate the Russian women abroad as the most difficult after Muslim women. Yes, it's easy to date them, but to bang them is a whole different story.

[JohnQPublic]

I Agree with most of what Giacomo says. But I think the local guy game (as I saw it in Prague) is mostly just trying to flash cash, without any of the associated class or education. So you have a guy trying to impress a girl who's dressed to the 9s trying to find a guy who will appreciate her, but he's wearing jeans t-shirt and tennis shoes. If she only speaks the local language, it works. But I think most of the girls who are done with that style of game don't even go out in the places where they might find those guys.

::Game in Western countries is recognized though and if you are a successful guy, it may be easier than in former communist countries where many girls regard all guys on the same level.::
This is so true. In the West girls sort of gravitate to guys at the level they are seeking. In EE they have no idea how to recognize it unless they have lived abroad or come from a privileged background.

But when they are on vacation it's game on!

As i said above, I find it much easier to meet top-level EE girls in Western European cities. Over the last month I've met a few just randomly going out plus one through a friend. In the most exclusive nightclub of where I am, I met a Polish 9 who was visiting from London, she told me she had been there for 14 years and was married. I figured she was 32 or so, then her friend showed up and said "come drink with us" and took me over to their husbands, two English guys 55+ (in this kind of place, it's like sitting in first class on a plane, everybody will talk to you). I politely moved on, but was thinking about this thread when i saw that. Then last week I met a mid-level Belarussian who was on a Western European vacation with two friends. She was bitching about her friends hooking up every night in every city with different guys they had lined up on Mamba. She said sometimes both got the same guy and that if i wanted to bone I could get them. So she took me over and I thought they looked a little bit too hardened, wouldn't want to be seen with them. Skinny bodies but hard faces, so I went for the first one, but nothing. Then an EE girl I met online set me up with a legitimate fashion model from the Baltics who was new in town and wanted to meet somebody. That was a surprise way of saying thank you after I helped her out with some administrative stuff. tit for tat :-D

I think guys who have 3 months or more to spend, and aren't really at the top of their game, should split their time between Western cities like Barcelona or London and one or two target EE countries. That way you can line up contacts while you're in the West (in youth hostels, language courses, etc) and go visit them. OR go to some EE country first, tell them you are moving to Barcelona (for example) and will be there for the next year. then some will want to come visit or will be more interested because she knows you're not going to just disappear and she'll never see you again. Meanwhile, you'll be able to meet some in the Western city.

If you have strong game and you can pull anywhere, then just go to the source. But you'll still have to deal with all the issues stated above, unless you are the adventurous type and want to try small 2nd tier cities where you'll have more value as a foreigner.

[JohnQPublic]

(03-26-2018 06:34 PM)666 Wrote:  

Is Russia still good? I doubt. I would rate the Russian women abroad as the most difficult after Muslim women. Yes, it's easy to date them, but to bang them is a whole different story.

The Russian girls abroad are usually looking for something better, so you've got to show them around if you want the quick bang. Then they'll hope you'll keep showing them the good life.

[666]

JP, they are just materialistic bitches that will stumb you in the back first chance given. Russian women should not be put on a pedestal by any intelligent player. Polish girls are a lot better than Russians and more genuine.

[JohnQPublic]

(03-26-2018 06:46 PM)666 Wrote:  

JP, they are just materialistic bitches that will stumb you in the back first chance given. Russian women should not be put on a pedestal by any intelligent player. Polish girls are a lot better than Russians and more genuine.

You can find materialistic bitches in every country, so deal with them all the same. I'm not going to meet her at all if she isn't hot, but if she is, I don't mind risking the cost of a cocktail to see what she's up for.

[666]

JP, I have thrown a lot of money into Russians. Trust, me they don't give their pussy, even completely drunk. Most bitches I kicked out of my flats in London, Paris and New York were Russians. On the other hand, Polish girls can fuck you after 1 bottle of Sauv Blanc.

[JohnQPublic]

@666 : LoL. I do Ok with them. But i never give them everything they ask for. They need to be motivated :-) I think Poles are much less interested in me

[gowest]

It seems Poland at least is getting better. During my last 10 day trip to Warsaw, I banged five girls in the 6.5 -7 range and will return soon. Great thread but the way.

[JohnQPublic]

The day after 666 posted about Russian girls i met one on Tinder who was on vacation here. Kind of whacky. Made me take an online personality test and send her the result before we met. First she asked me to take her to the most expensive bars she had heard of, then when i didn’t answer she decided we could go to a normal one. We met and she was hot, dressed to kill too. First she orders a non- alcoholic drink, then when she decided i was ok she says. Let’s go to a park and drink champagne. I said ok. So she goes, we can order it online and they will deliver. I said or we can just buy it in the store. But no we had to order from some app she had. I said then we won’t have glasses. So she goes we can order those too. « Let me see that » 2 glasses. 50€. Champagne 250€. I was like WTF? I’m not paying 300€ for something i can get faster for 50€ So she said, i can see money is important to you and got up and walked out.

I hardly ever meet that kind, but i don’t play that.

[Brodiaga]

(04-08-2018 07:11 PM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

The day after 666 posted about Russian girls i met one on Tinder who was on vacation here. Kind of whacky. Made me take an online personality test and send her the result before we met. First she asked me to take her to the most expensive bars she had heard of, then when i didn’t answer she decided we could go to a normal one. We met and she was hot, dressed to kill too. First she orders a non- alcoholic drink, then when she decided i was ok she says. Let’s go to a park and drink champagne. I said ok. So she goes, we can order it online and they will deliver. I said or we can just buy it in the store. But no we had to order from some app she had. I said then we won’t have glasses. So she goes we can order those too. « Let me see that » 2 glasses. 50€. Champagne 250€. I was like WTF? I’m not paying 300€ for something i can get faster for 50€ So she said, i can see money is important to you and got up and walked out.

I hardly ever meet that kind, but i don’t play that.

The term in Russian for this kind of girl is шкура (shkU-ra). Literally translated as thick skin or hide. Shkura means gold digger but it's more insulting. Next time you run into a bitch like that you know what to call her.

[Fornication]

(04-08-2018 07:11 PM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

The day after 666 posted about Russian girls i met one on Tinder who was on vacation here. Kind of whacky. Made me take an online personality test and send her the result before we met. First she asked me to take her to the most expensive bars she had heard of, then when i didn’t answer she decided we could go to a normal one. We met and she was hot, dressed to kill too. First she orders a non- alcoholic drink, then when she decided i was ok she says. Let’s go to a park and drink champagne. I said ok. So she goes, we can order it online and they will deliver. I said or we can just buy it in the store. But no we had to order from some app she had. I said then we won’t have glasses. So she goes we can order those too. « Let me see that » 2 glasses. 50€. Champagne 250€. I was like WTF? I’m not paying 300€ for something i can get faster for 50€ So she said, i can see money is important to you and got up and walked out.

I hardly ever meet that kind, but i don’t play that.

And why would you take an online test to meet her. If she gives you so much shit before meeting, can't you imagine what will happen on the date?

[Cad and Bounder]

Strong possibility you are the inquiring target of a scammer. Can you provide us with the name of this app/website? I'm curious to see. It's possible, the products don't actually exist and she'll split the money with the 'merchant'.

I'm guessing she asked you to send her stuff online etc?

This might sound harsh, but I've v little sympathy for online 'players' who get done like this. By now you should know better.

[Llama Deam]

The real question is- are there any white majority countries left where you can bang slim feminine women with minimal effort like in Thailand, Philippines, Northern Brazil or Uganda? Doesn't seem to be the case in anymore, pretty much every white majority country you have to put in effort in order get anything. While Eastern European countries are still poor and have some of the most beautiful women in the world, they are not easy for Western men like they use to be.

I think a lot posters are correct that Africa is the future once Southeast Asia dries out.

[gowest]

Poland right now offers the best ROI for a player. Sweet, feminine and smart girls that are very much interested in foreigners.
My only objection is that their government didn't take any refugees. Refugees have been beneficial for Western countries, why not for Poland?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-09-2018 07:11 AM)gowest Wrote:  

Poland right now offers the best ROI for a player. Sweet, feminine and smart girls that are very much interested in foreigners.
My only objection is that their government didn't take any refugees. Refugees have been beneficial for Western countries, why not for Poland?

You could not make it into 2 dozen posts before bringing out your troll-clit?

[Rocha]

(04-08-2018 09:12 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(04-08-2018 07:11 PM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

The day after 666 posted about Russian girls i met one on Tinder who was on vacation here. Kind of whacky. Made me take an online personality test and send her the result before we met. First she asked me to take her to the most expensive bars she had heard of, then when i didn’t answer she decided we could go to a normal one. We met and she was hot, dressed to kill too. First she orders a non- alcoholic drink, then when she decided i was ok she says. Let’s go to a park and drink champagne. I said ok. So she goes, we can order it online and they will deliver. I said or we can just buy it in the store. But no we had to order from some app she had. I said then we won’t have glasses. So she goes we can order those too. « Let me see that » 2 glasses. 50€. Champagne 250€. I was like WTF? I’m not paying 300€ for something i can get faster for 50€ So she said, i can see money is important to you and got up and walked out.

I hardly ever meet that kind, but i don’t play that.

The term in Russian for this kind of girl is шкура (shkU-ra). Literally translated as thick skin or hide. Shkura means gold digger but it's more insulting. Next time you run into a bitch like that you know what to call her.

I have also heard the tern "Dynamo devushka", are the ones who disappear immediately after the bottle is emptied.

[JohnQPublic]

(04-09-2018 07:36 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(04-09-2018 07:11 AM)gowest Wrote:  

Poland right now offers the best ROI for a player. Sweet, feminine and smart girls that are very much interested in foreigners.
My only objection is that their government didn't take any refugees. Refugees have been beneficial for Western countries, why not for Poland?

You could not make it into 2 dozen posts before bringing out your troll-clit?

That's good Zelcorpion. Cage the muslims and have a racist frog meme guard them. Most other people are posting about meeting girls.

[JohnQPublic]

(04-08-2018 11:27 PM)Fornication Wrote:  

(04-08-2018 07:11 PM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

The day after 666 posted about Russian girls i met one on Tinder who was on vacation here. Kind of whacky. Made me take an online personality test and send her the result before we met. First she asked me to take her to the most expensive bars she had heard of, then when i didn’t answer she decided we could go to a normal one. We met and she was hot, dressed to kill too. First she orders a non- alcoholic drink, then when she decided i was ok she says. Let’s go to a park and drink champagne. I said ok. So she goes, we can order it online and they will deliver. I said or we can just buy it in the store. But no we had to order from some app she had. I said then we won’t have glasses. So she goes we can order those too. « Let me see that » 2 glasses. 50€. Champagne 250€. I was like WTF? I’m not paying 300€ for something i can get faster for 50€ So she said, i can see money is important to you and got up and walked out.

I hardly ever meet that kind, but i don’t play that.

And why would you take an online test to meet her. If she gives you so much shit before meeting, can't you imagine what will happen on the date?

I didn't have any problem with that. Nobody ever asked me anything like that before. I imagined she wouldn't be boring and she wasn't. She was definitely in the top few % of Tinder profiles, so it was worth a try.

(04-09-2018 01:53 AM)Cad and Bounder Wrote:  

Strong possibility you are the inquiring target of a scammer. Can you provide us with the name of this app/website? I'm curious to see. It's possible, the products don't actually exist and she'll split the money with the 'merchant'.

I'm guessing she asked you to send her stuff online etc?

This might sound harsh, but I've v little sympathy for online 'players' who get done like this. By now you should know better.

What is this? I didn't get "done", she asked for nothing other than champagne and I have no idea what app it was. I had never seen it before, but it was clearly only for high-end stuff. The cheapest champagne they had on there was Veuve-Cliquot. Normally it would be around 40€ a bottle but on there it was 150€ and marked sold out.

After the fact it also crossed my mind that maybe it was some kind of scam, but I didn't go for that. I wasn't into it. She was only in town for a week, I had all my other nights during the time she was there full so it wasn't even worth trying to talk my way around her requests. It was pretty clear to me that she was a shopping ho. Buy her stuff and she will bang. But I had better lined up and it wasn't worth any effort.

How common are these Shkuras in Moscow? This one looked good and since she was 27, she probably had a lot of success before with taking guys for a ride.

Don't know why some guys here are so ready to call out girls for trying to use them. They have their game we have ours. everybody can choose whether or not to play. No guts, No glory.