[kosko]

(11-06-2011 10:24 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(11-06-2011 09:53 PM)kosko Wrote:  

I'm big on superfoods. I don't like to use that term tho, I like to eat foods that are "dense" in nutrients... is it a shortcut ? Yea maybe, but personally I think one of modern mans short-comings is are shitty diets. I think diet plays a big role in the beatification of the western man. We lack foods rich in male nutrients and we pump are selves full of womanizing empty corns and soy products.

Sardines are a good cheap way to get nutrient dense oily fish in you. Wild Salmon is far from cheap and being on a student diet the only seafood I can afford is tuna, squid, and sardines.

Bison and horse are great meats. The reason they are so good and lean is that for hte most part they still eat their natural foods. Horses still feed on iron and nutrient grasses and the residue gets trapped in there meat. Contrast this to modern beef which is nothing more than crap. Cardboard painted red, with very little nutritional value.

One thing that is great also are SPROUTS! I'm eventually going to figure out how to grow them because its way cheaper but sports are still alive and the most nutrient dense stage of the plants life. You can by sprouts powder like alfalfa or you can by the live stuff. Look at the nutrient contents next-time you in the store, full of male friendly magnesium and shit. I throw this in my protein shakes and smoothies I crush down in the mornings. Other good Sprouts are broccoli, and the might wheatgrass.

Other good stuff is kale, spurilnia (A type of algae, sea vegetable which is a complete protein, dense as fuck), and hemp.

About juicing... its a good thing to do no doubt but I've herd that the fiber that you take out actually helps the body draw out the proper nutrients and shit from the fruits and veg? I know hardcore juicers mix and match certain veg and fruits to maybe balance this out? I've always been interested in it but ain't make the plunge on them expensive juicers tho.

I'm interested in the bee pollen too. Never herd of the stuff. Just learned the other day about pine pollen and how that helps boost T-levels naturally. I take in too much caffeine, working out has kept my energy levels up for them sot part but to study and sit throw shitty classes I pound a black coffee or take a caff-tap to keep me up. for sure not ideal for the long term.

I think you are speaking of the pulp that remains after you put the fruits and veggies thru the processor. You add the back in (great for fiber) to the juice you have, and process it again , but in a blender this time around.

There are some models that are not very expensive at all. Then again, I don't know what your financial situation is. How does 60 bucks or so sound to you?

Yea I was talking about the mash (pulp/fiber) leftover. Did not know most juicers did this - I assumed you tossed it or threw the mash in stew or something.

I'm in Canada so i'll add 20$ on to that quote lol. 80 bucks sounds good, if its top notch quality I wouldn't mind taking the plunge. Non-organic fruits and veg are still priced okay where I'm at so juicing daily would't be a supper big burden. As far as budget goes, broke University student.. that about sums it up. But health and quality food are costs I don't fret about. Shitty food is more expensive in the end.

[Pusscrook]

(11-06-2011 10:35 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(11-06-2011 10:24 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(11-06-2011 09:53 PM)kosko Wrote:  

I'm big on superfoods. I don't like to use that term tho, I like to eat foods that are "dense" in nutrients... is it a shortcut ? Yea maybe, but personally I think one of modern mans short-comings is are shitty diets. I think diet plays a big role in the beatification of the western man. We lack foods rich in male nutrients and we pump are selves full of womanizing empty corns and soy products.

Sardines are a good cheap way to get nutrient dense oily fish in you. Wild Salmon is far from cheap and being on a student diet the only seafood I can afford is tuna, squid, and sardines.

Bison and horse are great meats. The reason they are so good and lean is that for hte most part they still eat their natural foods. Horses still feed on iron and nutrient grasses and the residue gets trapped in there meat. Contrast this to modern beef which is nothing more than crap. Cardboard painted red, with very little nutritional value.

One thing that is great also are SPROUTS! I'm eventually going to figure out how to grow them because its way cheaper but sports are still alive and the most nutrient dense stage of the plants life. You can by sprouts powder like alfalfa or you can by the live stuff. Look at the nutrient contents next-time you in the store, full of male friendly magnesium and shit. I throw this in my protein shakes and smoothies I crush down in the mornings. Other good Sprouts are broccoli, and the might wheatgrass.

Other good stuff is kale, spurilnia (A type of algae, sea vegetable which is a complete protein, dense as fuck), and hemp.

About juicing... its a good thing to do no doubt but I've herd that the fiber that you take out actually helps the body draw out the proper nutrients and shit from the fruits and veg? I know hardcore juicers mix and match certain veg and fruits to maybe balance this out? I've always been interested in it but ain't make the plunge on them expensive juicers tho.

I'm interested in the bee pollen too. Never herd of the stuff. Just learned the other day about pine pollen and how that helps boost T-levels naturally. I take in too much caffeine, working out has kept my energy levels up for them sot part but to study and sit throw shitty classes I pound a black coffee or take a caff-tap to keep me up. for sure not ideal for the long term.

I think you are speaking of the pulp that remains after you put the fruits and veggies thru the processor. You add the back in (great for fiber) to the juice you have, and process it again , but in a blender this time around.

There are some models that are not very expensive at all. Then again, I don't know what your financial situation is. How does 60 bucks or so sound to you?

Yea I was talking about the mash (pulp/fiber) leftover. Did not know most juicers did this - I assumed you tossed it or threw the mash in stew or something.

I'm in Canada so i'll add 20$ on to that quote lol. 80 bucks sounds good, if its top notch quality I wouldn't mind taking the plunge. Non-organic fruits and veg are still priced okay where I'm at so juicing daily would't be a supper big burden. As far as budget goes, broke University student.. that about sums it up. But health and quality food are costs I don't fret about. Shitty food is more expensive in the end.

So is chasing pussy.

[OSL]

Haven't read through this thread, but Chiang Mai must be the world capital of fresh squeezed juices.

There are fresh squeezed veggie and fruit juice stands all over the place. I just had a veggie juice which is basically two tomatoes, three carrots, three stalks of celery, and a handful of beets blended into a shake. Cost, 75 cents. I chugged it in like ten seconds.

I hate eating vegetables and salads and juicing them has proven to be an amazing alternative. Apparently, the nutrients are more bioavailable in this form, but don't take my word for it.

[Chad Daring]

Im curious, of the pro juicing guys, whats your thoughts on the Naked brand juices that claim to just be fresh blended fruit in a bottle?

[Pusscrook]

(11-08-2011 06:53 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

Im curious, of the pro juicing guys, whats your thoughts on the Naked brand juices that claim to just be fresh blended fruit in a bottle?

Lost of "fresh " juices in a bottle,need to be preserved with something. What is the shelf life of the nutrients, vitamins, in the bottle? You may want to check the total ingredient label to see what else might be in the bottle besides "fresh juice". You can still get some benefit from juice in a bottle, but if you have a few shekels to spare, just buy your organic fruits and vegetables( this is controversial) and whip 'em up.

[Chad Daring]

Well I can get the Naked brand juices for free from work, so thats a huge plus, and there's also the ready to go convenience of them. I'll check the bottles tomorrow, but I want to say that they're actually preservative free, but I dont know for sure

[OSL]

Yeah I am also highly skeptical of the "fresh juice in a bottle" brands.

As often as possible, I go for the fresh squeezed juice that is made right in front of me. No sugar, no additives.

It's pretty amazing how three tomatoes, several stalks of celery, 3-5 carrots, and two handfuls of beetroots become a 15 ounce drink.

[Pusscrook]

It is very hard to get psyched about chewing things like kale, sprouts, celery, etc., all day long, just to feed your body with optimum nutrients.

Once you learn how to mix and match fruits and vegetables, you will make some real delicious smoothies and you will be surprised how much you are actually eating in fruits and vegetables when you juice, per day.

[kbell]

I just cooked some kale today. I used coconut oil to fry it in, lemon juice and garlic to flavor it. I probably under cook it though since it was a bit chewy and not really wilted like fried lettuce gets.

[thekiller]

I just read Deep Nutrition: Why your genes need traditional foods, and it was an awesome read. It coalesced a lot of nutritional information I've been reading about lately into a unified theory, of sorts. It's basic premise is it studied the healthiest groups across the planet and their diets, and found four basic similarities or Pillars.
1)Meat on the Bone(I didn't realize how much nutrients we lose out on with boneless foods)
2)Organ Meats(esp. Liver, it's a superfood!)
3)Fermentation and Sprouting(like sauerkraut, kimchee, sprouts, etc)
4)Fresh, Raw

The baddies are Sugar, and Vegetable Oil.

I highly recommend this book. One good tip is to eat Liver, it's cheap(here in the US), has high-quality protein, vitamins A, D, E, K, B12 and folic acid, and minerals such as copper and iron and CoQ10. Make it Filipino Adobo style and it's tasty!

[Riker]

(11-09-2011 12:28 PM)thekiller Wrote:  

I just read Deep Nutrition: Why your genes need traditional foods, and it was an awesome read. It coalesced a lot of nutritional information I've been reading about lately into a unified theory, of sorts. It's basic premise is it studied the healthiest groups across the planet and their diets, and found four basic similarities or Pillars.
1)Meat on the Bone(I didn't realize how much nutrients we lose out on with boneless foods)
2)Organ Meats(esp. Liver, it's a superfood!)
3)Fermentation and Sprouting(like sauerkraut, kimchee, sprouts, etc)
4)Fresh, Raw

The baddies are Sugar, and Vegetable Oil.

I highly recommend this book. One good tip is to eat Liver, it's cheap(here in the US), has high-quality protein, vitamins A, D, E, K, B12 and folic acid, and minerals such as copper and iron and CoQ10. Make it Filipino Adobo style and it's tasty!

Nice, I hate the taste of liver though... how do you make it Filipino Adobo style?

[thekiller]

There's a ton of recipes online, but the basics involve marinating the liver in soy sauce(use brewed, not hydrolyzed) with salt, pepper and a dash of lemon or vinegar for 1/2 hour or so. Then use a healthy oil (olive, peanut or coconut) to pan fry the liver with some sliced onion and crushed garlic (you can added chopped peppers too). I find it best to slice the liver in smaller pieces.
They recommend you eat liver at least once a week.As I said above, it's really cheap here in the US.

[Moma]

(11-08-2011 07:10 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Lost of "fresh " juices in a bottle,need to be preserved with something. What is the shelf life of the nutrients, vitamins, in the bottle? You may want to check the total ingredient label to see what else might be in the bottle besides "fresh juice". You can still get some benefit from juice in a bottle, but if you have a few shekels to spare, just buy your organic fruits and vegetables( this is controversial) and whip 'em up.

Why is this controversial?

[Pusscrook]

(11-09-2011 03:12 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(11-08-2011 07:10 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Lost of "fresh " juices in a bottle,need to be preserved with something. What is the shelf life of the nutrients, vitamins, in the bottle? You may want to check the total ingredient label to see what else might be in the bottle besides "fresh juice". You can still get some benefit from juice in a bottle, but if you have a few shekels to spare, just buy your organic fruits and vegetables( this is controversial) and whip 'em up.

Why is this controversial?

Because you are not growing your own shit. How long has it been on the shelf? Where did it come from? Does an FDA approval make it organic? What if it came from a country that has very loose rules on the restricted uses of pesticides, preservatives, chemicals? I could get a permit on a chicken farm in Costa Rica, and no one tests the feed I give to these nasty fucking birds, yet, I sell it to you in a neat package that says "organic and natural". Natural as opposed to what? This is first and foremost, a business. All things being equal , you just have to enjoy life until the time comes.

[Moma]

(11-09-2011 03:51 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(11-09-2011 03:12 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(11-08-2011 07:10 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Lost of "fresh " juices in a bottle,need to be preserved with something. What is the shelf life of the nutrients, vitamins, in the bottle? You may want to check the total ingredient label to see what else might be in the bottle besides "fresh juice". You can still get some benefit from juice in a bottle, but if you have a few shekels to spare, just buy your organic fruits and vegetables( this is controversial) and whip 'em up.

Why is this controversial?

Because you are not growing your own shit. How long has it been on the shelf? Where did it come from? Does an FDA approval make it organic? What if it came from a country that has very loose rules on the restricted uses of pesticides, preservatives, chemicals? I could get a permit on a chicken farm in Costa Rica, and no one tests the feed I give to these nasty fucking birds, yet, I sell it to you in a neat package that says "organic and natural". Natural as opposed to what? This is first and foremost, a business. All things being equal , you just have to enjoy life until the time comes.

Oh i see what you mean. I went to Atlanta a few years ago and I was interested in purchasing some greens from a local grocery (broccoli costs an arm and a leg in Miami!!).
So I went in this store, looked at the organic apples and they were bigger than the non organic apples. I knew something was terribly wrong with this picture.

Overall, is a person better of going with organic or is it exactly the same shytt?

[Pusscrook]

(11-09-2011 04:02 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(11-09-2011 03:51 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(11-09-2011 03:12 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(11-08-2011 07:10 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Lost of "fresh " juices in a bottle,need to be preserved with something. What is the shelf life of the nutrients, vitamins, in the bottle? You may want to check the total ingredient label to see what else might be in the bottle besides "fresh juice". You can still get some benefit from juice in a bottle, but if you have a few shekels to spare, just buy your organic fruits and vegetables( this is controversial) and whip 'em up.

Why is this controversial?

Because you are not growing your own shit. How long has it been on the shelf? Where did it come from? Does an FDA approval make it organic? What if it came from a country that has very loose rules on the restricted uses of pesticides, preservatives, chemicals? I could get a permit on a chicken farm in Costa Rica, and no one tests the feed I give to these nasty fucking birds, yet, I sell it to you in a neat package that says "organic and natural". Natural as opposed to what? This is first and foremost, a business. All things being equal , you just have to enjoy life until the time comes.

Oh i see what you mean. I went to Atlanta a few years ago and I was interested in purchasing some greens from a local grocery (broccoli costs an arm and a leg in Miami!!).
So I went in this store, looked at the organic apples and they were bigger than the non organic apples. I knew something was terribly wrong with this picture.

Overall, is a person better of going with organic or is it exactly the same shytt?

Yes, organic fruits and vegetables retain a higher degree of potency (vitamins, nutrients, enzymes) as opposed to conventional foods. There are quite a bit of variables that would determine what happens to fruits and vegetables way before you get to eat it, and the nutritional content of each fruit and vegetable reacts differently once it has been picked. I guess my point was , if it's not being picked from your back yard, it would be hard for one to guarantee/ascertain that it is 100 percent natural /organic. Fruits and vegetables that are not organic, still have some nutritional value and may not have lost all of its nutritional values via processing. Unless you are clearly testing each and every fruit for nutritional content, one cannot be 100 percent sure of what is in/not in the fruit as far as the nutritional quality. Supposedly, the FDA regulators are hard at work doing this for us.

[Chad Daring]

I checked the bottles of Naked brand juice, no preservatives, the ingredients list reads like a hippie shopping list, its just straight veggies and fruits, I'm gonna ask the Tropicana rep about it next time he stops by

[thekiller]

On the topic of buying Organic. Deep Nutrition recommends those on a budget to skip buying Organic Fruits and Vegetables, and use that money to buy Organic meats instead.
Reason being, if you rinse Fruits and Vegetables as your supposed to, your exposure to pesticides is negligible. In meats, which have fat content however, both beneficial nutrients AND bad chemicals tend to get concentrated in the fat. So going Organic with meat helps minimize your exposure to the bad, and increase the level of the good. If you can with meat and dairy try to get grass-fed, it's WAY healthier.

[kbell]

Naked juice taste pretty good. ITs just very high sugar. Sometime higher than sodas.

[Pusscrook]

(11-09-2011 08:49 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

I checked the bottles of Naked brand juice, no preservatives, the ingredients list reads like a hippie shopping list, its just straight veggies and fruits, I'm gonna ask the Tropicana rep about it next time he stops by

I went to the website to try to find the ingredients. I saw the "boosts" that is included in the drink itself but here are some questions you might want to ask your rep.

I saw one product on there, where you get 210% of vitamin c. I wonder if I buy a bottle today , that they had on the shelf/in the warehouse for 3 months if it would have the same amount of vitamin c.

Is it 100% organic, made with organic ingredients, or organic.

Is it concentrated or non concentrated?

What process is used for extraction?

What is the shelf life of the drink.

Are the fruits and vegetables home grown, foreign?

[Docter]

There's way too much sugar in most of the commercial 'juice' blends. I tend to avoid them altogether. Not to mention there's some skepticism as to whether destroying the form of a food causes nutrient degradation.

It's important to stop thinking about getting daily requirements, and start thinking about an average over time. The human body is exceptional at dealing without food (in fact, there are a tons of studies that show fasting and calorie restriction do everything from boosting HGH to increasing life expectancy. I can find this studies if you guys wanna see them).

On what TheKiller was saying, meat is the most important food to buy organically. The optimum choice would be grass-fed/finished beef. Ask the guys at the counter whether or not the cows were FINISHED on grass too, as a lot of farmers will feed grain to their lot a short time prior to slaughter and this harms the nutrient profile of the meat. Fish/Birds come second to some good red meat, in my opinion. From all the shit I've read, it just seems like red meat from ruminants like cows pack some fucking awesome punch. Pool your money here.

Then, I wouldn't 'skip' on organic veggies/fruits. The thing is, certain fruits/veggies are rarely sprayed and if you're concerned, you can buy those non-organically. Here's a list that I got from googling "least pesticide fruits." I.E. don't waste money on organic items towards the bottom, and definitely seek the organic choices of items towards the top.

[OSL]

Man I really LOATHE eating vegetables. Even when they are swamped in all kinds of sugary toppings I just fucking hate them.

Getting them juiced here at the stands in chiang mai I can get the nutritional value of 8 carrots, 6 stalks of celery, 3 handfuls of beetroots, and 4-6 tomatoes in two drinks for like two bucks.

I love it. I absolutely have to get a juicer in Singapore.

I'm already feeling more energetic as a result of these shakes.

[kbell]

Add some canned coconut milk and some anise seeds and you will get even more energy.

[Insignia]

apparently a shot of broccoli juice can help prevent cancer as well as help your immune systems run as smooth as possible.

[Chad Daring]

(11-09-2011 09:35 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(11-09-2011 08:49 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

I checked the bottles of Naked brand juice, no preservatives, the ingredients list reads like a hippie shopping list, its just straight veggies and fruits, I'm gonna ask the Tropicana rep about it next time he stops by

I went to the website to try to find the ingredients. I saw the "boosts" that is included in the drink itself but here are some questions you might want to ask your rep.
The "boosts" aren't in all the juices, just the "boosted" ones, I usually dont get those ones because they do have some chemicals in them to boost the vitamin counts

I saw one product on there, where you get 210% of vitamin c. I wonder if I buy a bottle today , that they had on the shelf/in the warehouse for 3 months if it would have the same amount of vitamin c.
If it truly is preservative free it wouldn't have the shelf life to sit for months, even refrigerated. The wholesale cost on this shit is high, we barely turn a profit selling them at $2.50 a pop, I'd imagine that price is do to the lack of shelf life and speed of transit from production to consumer, but I'm just speculating

Is it 100% organic, made with organic ingredients, or organic.

Is it concentrated or non concentrated?
I'm almost positive its not from concentrate but I'll ask
What process is used for extraction?
The bottle lists "puree" for most of the fruits, so take that how you like
What is the shelf life of the drink.
It is preservative free so cant be that long, I'll look for a date on one of the bottles that I know came in this week.
Are the fruits and vegetables home grown, foreign?