[Leonard D Neubache]

(05-10-2019 08:04 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

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Come to think of it, I still cannot imagine how the US could allow Maduro to escape unscathed, though. That would send a terrible message of weakness, worldwide, signaling to all the (real or perceived) enemies of the US that the world-sheriff has no real military teeth.
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Yeah. Get baited into another numbskulled clusterfuck spending money you don't have to make jews rich and goyim dead.

That'll show 'em who's boss.

[Foolsgo1d]

(05-10-2019 08:04 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

^A funny and sharp analysis above, but, as with all fights, what really matters is who is standing victorious at the end of the day (and at which cost). So, too early to say who has won in Venezuela, or who will win. I've got an idea Maduro himself cannot win this fight on the medium or long-term, as it makes sense that the most powerful player (the USA) would eventually win. But we shall see.

What fight? It hasn't even begun yet and the hopes of the pressure trying to kill off Maduro with the puppet agitator on the ground failed.

This is multiple fights and those fights are not going to be easy. I wonder how the US is going to keep justifying this level of conflict and warfare to the world as things get progressively worse for the common man in multiple countries.

The US is also banking on Russia and China submitting, the Eurofags being docile, South America being placated by bribes and drugs and the rest of Asia being scared of China.

Should a rationale human really put any effort into trying to understand this whole thing other than a struggling empire trying to remain relevant by making enemies out of everyone?

[Going strong]

(05-10-2019 12:49 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

South America being placated by drugs

Really? Somehow I was under the indefinite impression that it was the other way round.

[natas305]

(05-08-2019 04:36 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 01:47 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

(05-07-2019 01:39 PM)911 Wrote:  

Maduro is winning, because he showed a lot of restraint. The coup plotters wanted to bait him into megaslaughter newsreel money shots, but he didn't bite, his troops didn't mow down the crowds and the coup perpetrators.

Snip

Is Maduro actually going to try to fix the economy?

Poor Maduro can't even fix his helicopter.

I mean, reportedly, the assassination of Maduro by (a faction of) his caretakers, was about to happen just a few days ago. His helicopter was rigged to crash, and it did crash, reportedly killing everyone on board.

But as it is South America, a certain level of amateurism is to be expected: so, reportedly, Maduro noticed a few too many people eagerly recording the chopper with their cellphone, when he was about to climb aboard.

Maduro may be fat and on borrowed time, but he's not stupid, having been trained at a good school on the isla. So, Maduro thought it was suspicious and climbed aboard the spare helicopter. Thus displaying the kind of luck and cunning that kept helicopter-wary Evo alive.

The mustachioed dude will indeed be hard to terminate, one has to give him some grudging respect on that. He's got the honed instincts (and expressionless face) of a heavy seasoned hyena. I bet he does not even eat before someone tastes his meals. Probably has found a way to avoid Lugo-grade radiations too. Sad.

Anyway, I think the best solution would be for the Russians to trade Maduro's life for the satisfactory implementation of the Minsk protocol, or some other deal. Or for the Cubans to trade Maduro for the resuming of oil shipments, duly guaranteed by Guaido-Lopez. Whichever comes first.

Maybe a joint Cuban-Russian/USA agreement, would do. Along the lines of:

we send Maduro to Punta Cana or the Isla Juventud (to keep company to dear Florencia), and in exchange the US kinda normalize the frozen situation in Ukraine, and guarantee enough oil delivered by Guaido to Havana or Cienfuegos. That would be the climax of... the art of the Deal. Everybody happy (including Maduro, who might find peace in the other world).

What's the source on all this helicopter incident info?

[Going strong]

(05-13-2019 10:41 AM)natas305 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 04:36 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 01:47 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

(05-07-2019 01:39 PM)911 Wrote:  

Maduro is winning, because he showed a lot of restraint. The coup plotters wanted to bait him into megaslaughter newsreel money shots, but he didn't bite, his troops didn't mow down the crowds and the coup perpetrators.

Snip

Is Maduro actually going to try to fix the economy?

Poor Maduro can't even fix his helicopter.

I mean, reportedly, the assassination of Maduro by (a faction of) his caretakers, was about to happen just a few days ago. His helicopter was rigged to crash, and it did crash, reportedly killing everyone on board.

But as it is South America, a certain level of amateurism is to be expected: so, reportedly, Maduro noticed a few too many people eagerly recording the chopper with their cellphone, when he was about to climb aboard.

Maduro may be fat and on borrowed time, but he's not stupid, having been trained at a good school on the isla. So, Maduro thought it was suspicious and climbed aboard the spare helicopter. Thus displaying the kind of luck and cunning that kept helicopter-wary Evo alive.

The mustachioed dude will indeed be hard to terminate, one has to give him some grudging respect on that. He's got the honed instincts (and expressionless face) of a heavy seasoned hyena. I bet he does not even eat before someone tastes his meals. Probably has found a way to avoid Lugo-grade radiations too. Sad.

Anyway, I think the best solution would be for the Russians to trade Maduro's life for the satisfactory implementation of the Minsk protocol, or some other deal. Or for the Cubans to trade Maduro for the resuming of oil shipments, duly guaranteed by Guaido-Lopez. Whichever comes first.

Maybe a joint Cuban-Russian/USA agreement, would do. Along the lines of:

we send Maduro to Punta Cana or the Isla Juventud (to keep company to dear Florencia), and in exchange the US kinda normalize the frozen situation in Ukraine, and guarantee enough oil delivered by Guaido to Havana or Cienfuegos. That would be the climax of... the art of the Deal. Everybody happy (including Maduro, who might find peace in the other world).

What's the source on all this helicopter incident info?

It's a supernatural flying source. A little "pajarito chiquitico" bird appeared and told me many secrets "in whistling".

https://www.lanacion.com.ar/el-mundo/mad...nid1569106
^Maduro communicating "through whistles" with little birds that reincarnate the immortal soul of Chavez. Powerful stuff.
"Maduro sostuvo que al orar en una pequeña capilla católica y al encontrarse totalmente solo, apareció el ave, con la que se comunicó con silbidos.
"De repente entró un pajarito, chiquitico, y me dio tres vueltas acá arriba", dijo señalando su cabeza e imitando un aleteo.

El pájaro, prosiguió Maduro algo emocionado, "se paró en una viga de madera y empezó a silbar, un silbido bonito", dijo imitándolo.

"Me lo quedé viendo y también le silbé, pues. 'Si tú silbas yo silbo', y silbé. El pajarito me vio raro, ¿no? Silbó un ratico, me dio una vuelta y se fue y yo sentí el espíritu de él", de Hugo Chávez, remarcó."

[CaptainChardonnay]

"Code Pink"

[natas305]

@Goingstrong I was serious though. I had read about the recent helicopter crash from multiple outlets but still hadn't seen one with any info about if it was one of the presidential helicopters. None could confirm that.

[Going strong]

(05-14-2019 09:57 AM)natas305 Wrote:  

@Goingstrong I was serious though. I had read about the recent helicopter crash from multiple outlets but still hadn't seen one with any info about if it was one of the presidential helicopters. None could confirm that.

If you insist on getting a link, here is one, my friend:

https://www.elsalvador.com/eldiariodehoy...1381/2019/

"Maduro iba a subir a helicóptero que se estrelló en Caracas

En el accidente, ocurrido el sábado en El Hatillo, murieron siete oficiales de la Fuerza Armada"

[Going strong]

(05-13-2019 07:27 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  

"Code Pink"

"Code Pink" against Maduro

I would like to know what some excellent forum members here think, regarding the fact that they fight, for Maduro, alongside the most degenerate parts of mankind: the LGBTs, the Podemos SJWs, etc.

But I might as well anticipate their (intelligent) answer, which is incidentally a reply favored by smart Russian or Cuban professionals: These LGBTs, Podemos, PussyHats and so on, are our useful idiots.

Still, personally, I would feel like throwing up if I had to use blue-hair dykes and the CodePink likes, to advance my candidate. But, heck, real politik and all that.

Talking about people coming to the end of their usefulness, I am actually worried about the courageous (for nobody can deny his physical courage) J. Guaido.

I mean, I'm starting to feel some palpable despair surrounding J. Guaido, as the US seemingly is choosing the long, economic-sanctions, way, against Maduro - and might even turn its full interest towards Iran. Thus somewhat alleviating pressure on Maduro.

Strange world indeed we live in. I mean, if I had 2% percent of the budget of the CIA, plus a nice small military base near Cucuta or some, plus a letter from the President, I would have Maduro put to rest in some accidental way, or a casus belli appear, within two months. Can't be that hard, the dude leaves the presidential palace at times, and it's South America. Plus he has Hezbollah links, how complicated would it be to engineer a casus belli, drawing on "terror links"?

So well, how come Maduro still survives? Either we are into forum-favored Honk-Honk world territory , or several State Actors want Venezuela to become and remain a frozen-(economic, for now)conflict zone?

[TigerMandingo]

^ Leonard has a point. The amount of energy you put into your hypothetical posts on overthrowing an elected government thousands of miles away from your homeland (France?) is striking.

Wouldn't it be better to focus on your own corrupt and highly repressive regime?

[TutorGuina]

I've heard there was interest from certain groups in reducing oil supply in the international market. Either that or Trump is wary of riling up his base by appearing as a NeoCon

(05-14-2019 11:58 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

So well, how come Maduro still survives? Either we are into forum-favored Honk-Honk world territory , or several State Actors want Venezuela to become and remain a frozen-(economic, for now)conflict zone?

(05-14-2019 10:50 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

^ Leonard has a point. The amount of energy you put into your hypothetical posts on overthrowing an elected government thousands of miles away from your homeland (France?) is striking.

Wouldn't it be better to focus on your own corrupt and highly repressive regime?

I know I want this guy gone because he is NOT far away from home, at least relatively speaking, and he's NOT a legitimate or good leader in any way. Even the fact that our previous socialist government funded that asshole's regime makes it kinda personal. Btw aren't the degenerate groups Going Strong mentioned from the same Bloc of the French establishment?

I see quite a number of members don't want a NATO intervention and I understand their reasons, but trying to defend Maduro is just
The fact that Russia and China came so far away to back up that commie fuck is also bullshit, politiks or not

I'm yet to see a South American that is not a straight up commie try to legitimize this guy somehow, at best they say to leave things alone and not bother
So try to consider what people who have watched a beautiful country descend into Mad Max dystopia have to say about it. There are some members with a good insider look here, or who have been paying attention

At this point an invasion might be a clumsy and dumb move, but not a motive less aggression as some of you try to paint it

[SamuelBRoberts]

(05-14-2019 11:58 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

I would like to know what some excellent forum members here think, regarding the fact that they fight, for Maduro, alongside the most degenerate parts of mankind: the LGBTs, the Podemos SJWs, etc.

But I might as well anticipate their (intelligent) answer, which is incidentally a reply favored by smart Russian or Cuban professionals: These LGBTs, Podemos, PussyHats and so on, are our useful idiots.

GS, buddy, we keep going over this and it doesn't seem to be getting through to you, and I honestly don't know why.

These same idiots were out in force against the Iraq war. (Though since that was 2003, they were a lot less obese, a lot better looking, and had way fewer mental disorders than the current crowd.) And it turns out the Iraq war was a really stupid idea! Code Pink was right! We shouldn't have invaded Iraq. It was a terrible, awful, horrible mistake, and we're still reeling from it today.

I think it's the same thing here. Invading Venezuela is a stupid idea and we shouldn't do it.

[Sp5]

(05-14-2019 11:57 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

I think it's the same thing here. Invading Venezuela is a stupid idea and we shouldn't do it.

Aside from it being a stupid idea, the fecklessness is astounding.

A couple of months ago, you had the "humanitarian convoy," confrontations at the border, Pence and Rubio flying down to Colombia to bluster and threaten.

Now it's "never mind," and ADHD Nation is now focused on Iran.

They've hung that guy Guaido out there and are waiting for him to get killed, maybe.

It would be so great if SHTF in both places at the same time!. Maybe Kim can throw in Korea for the triple threat!

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(05-14-2019 11:58 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

I would like to know what some excellent forum members here think, regarding the fact that they fight, for Maduro, alongside the most degenerate parts of mankind: the LGBTs, the Podemos SJWs, etc.

But I might as well anticipate their (intelligent) answer, which is incidentally a reply favored by smart Russian or Cuban professionals: These LGBTs, Podemos, PussyHats and so on, are our useful idiots.

A) No one here is for Maduro. I'm sure most forum members would prefer to see that pathetic commie dictator replaced with someone decent, whether it happened spontaneously or violently.

B) However, that doesn't change the fact that it's a downright terrible idea for the US, France or any other country to get involved in that shithole in order to bring about the said change. Haven't we learned anything from Iraq and Libya?

C) As for LGBTs, Podemos, PussyHats and so on, even a broken clock is right twice per day. It would be stupid and self-destructive to support harming ourselves with retarded military interventions abroad just because it triggers the SJW crowd. We can trigger them by posting memes just fine, no need to throw away lives, money and reputation on pointless wars.

[Going strong]

(05-14-2019 10:50 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

^ Leonard has a point. The amount of energy you put into your hypothetical posts on overthrowing an elected government thousands of miles away from your homeland (France?) is striking.

Wouldn't it be better to focus on your own corrupt and highly repressive regime?

Well, it is occasionally (and each time need arises) highly repressive indeed, so you'll understand that I'd rather not fight something that could easily crush me . Martyrdom is not my forte, especially for lost-causes.

On the other hand, Maduro won't send his illiterate red-clad assassins on motorbikes to kneecap me in Paris or Medellin, so, I'd much rather concentrate on Maduro. Especially as I am pretty confident that he couldn't send me a Wagner-Group polite-man either, or if he would, somehow I'd end up drinking sugary wine in Alushta with said Russian. So, I'm safe on this front, God (and His ever-pondering envoy, Vladimir Vladimirovich) willing.

Anyway, I reckon HCE's argument on "the broken clock being right twice a day", is logically valid.

Still, I don't know how many of you are long-time Right-Wingers, but for us, associating even occasionally with the Podemos pony-tailed, rich-kids crowd and tattooed Lesbians that support Maduro in the West (or in LatAm), would be too much humiliation and pain in the arse.

And as TutorGuinea said, if you ever knew or appreciated the efficient, successful right-wing Latin Americans, well: Maduro, for them (and us) is an insufferable, useless tyrant, that's it, it is written in stone; Maduro's mere survival provokes epidermic reactions among the whole continent.

That is why I even think that the backers of Maduro should quickly terminate him in some domestic accident, and if they want, replace him with another of their assets (a young thin one, see: thread-62636.html ). Thing is, the mere face of Maduro is, once again, a hated magnet for much of the people and electorate of South America. So, every involved party should have interest in replacing him, by a handsome Guaido or a handsome communist.

Added bonus for all of us here, would be: The amount of salt from the Left . Can you imagine, the tears, the despair among the Podemos-PussyHat crowd, when Maduro croaks in some freak accident or receives a couple of mortar shells (let's pin the deed to some unspecified Colombian proto-uribena militia, that's what I would do).

I think we can all agree that it would be on Hillary-defeat level, the salted tears of the lesbian-Podemos crowd, the day Maduro falls. Don't tell me you wouldn't get a good laugh out of it? And more importantly, it would mean food supply and some amount of prosperity restored to the suffering Venezuelan people: good for them, they deserve a break. And remember: Maduro does not send oil anymore to Cuba, and has never paid and will never pay, his debts to Russia, so, we all could rejoice in his fall and the tears of the SJW Left... As you see, I still harbor hopes to convince you all on this thread, druzia!

-Posted by SamuelBRoberts - Yesterday 11:57 PM

"These same idiots were out in force against the Iraq war. (Though since that was 2003, they were a lot less obese, a lot better looking, and had way fewer mental disorders than the current crowd.) "
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You are right, and it would make for an interesting thread: How the Left and SJWs have become massively worse since 2003, they're fatter, tattoer, pinker, uglier and at the same time gayer and more violent. Worth noticing.