I've been thinking about this topic for some time. To me it seems like a society and culture can be very survivable AND allow for a great level of diversity provided you set up an extremely strong national frame. The model I'll use for this is China due to its long history of centralization, huge population, and regional variation in terms of language and culture.
Quote: (01-30-2018 05:06 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
Can an institution be inclusive, charitable AND survivable or will such an organisation be hollowed out by opportunists who have no true allegiance to that institution?
To refine the problem: how do we make a system that is inclusive, meaning that it doesn't put that much emphasis on differences between an in and out group; and that is charitable, meaning that it tries to be fair and ensure that these standards of fairness more or less apply to everyone.
Below you bring up four categories of race, politics, religion, and nation.
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At what saturation point does racial inclusivity doom a society (give examples)?
At what saturation point does political inclusivity doom a society (give examples)?
At what saturation point does religious inclusivity doom a society (give examples)?
At what saturation point does national inclusivity doom a society (give examples)?
Looking at the significant diversity of the Han Chinese ethnic group suggests you can include people speaking different languages and having different regional cultures in the same polity. But the catch is that for 4,000 years, Chinese polities have been assimilating other Asians and compelling them to write in Chinese characters while ignoring their spoken languages. Is the strength of Chinese writing enough to assimilate racial gulfs as well? We have no significant examples to study.
Politically, Chinese dynastic history and the Confucian meritocracy suggest that an overall exclusive political economy can be highly survivable, but only if the political system is competent and/or lucky.
China has historically been pretty religiously open, but on the very strict condition that religion doesn't mess with administration or get involved in mass movements, in which case they are suppressed with extreme force. There has never been a significant Chinese theocracy, which suggests that theocracy is not a highly survivable system.
I'm not really sure what is meant by national inclusivity, but I don't think that the concept of the nation as a legitimate autonomous entity is a very Chinese one. Historically, Chinese leaders have always considered their own regimes inherently superior to those of "barbarians" or competing leaders who in their estimation did not have the mandate of heaven. Honestly I think that before 1800, Chinese emperors believed that the whole world was rightfully theirs. Even now, that belief is only suppressed because of how obviously unfeasible it is for anyone to demand that the world has been "Chinese territory since ancient times."
So, China has:
Undemonstrated racial inclusivity, but high ethnic inclusivity (far more than among whites)
Low to moderate political inclusivity depending on the dynasty
Moderate to high religious inclusivity, but low tolerance for political religion
Zero national inclusivity, if my understanding of national inclusivity is correct.
The most important category is the last one, because the Chinese concept of the state determines the Chinese social attitude towards all the other categories.
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What are examples of highly survivable demographics? What can we attribute this to?
It might be argued that China is not a good example of a highly survivable demographic because generally speaking, the collapse of a dynasty also meant the deaths of a huge percentage of the population. There have been many ethnic shifts as well given the takeovers by various barbarian tribes, and the Han ethnicity itself is a cultural concept that began around 2,000 years ago and has demonstrated a high degree of malleability. For instance, the Kinh ethnic group, also known as the Vietnamese, is so named for a Chinese character, 京, which is a classical synonym for Han, but the modern Vietnamese and Han Chinese are clearly not the same people.
But turning this on its head, we could say that Chinese polities dispensed with most in- or out-group markers like ethnicity or religion as secondary concerns,
but always denied the political legitimacy of other states, and,
if the rulers saw that an ethnicity or religion was undermining their state, then they would attack these things insofar as they were threats to the state. Incidentally, this also explains the pervasive rivalry between China, Japan, Korea, and Vietnam, assuming they more or less share this totalitarian view of the state.
A powerful, non-inclusive state makes it possible to push a unified literary system and therefore a common historical mythology. It's significant that the First Emperor Qin Shihuang is also the person who decreed that Chinese characters would be standardized across the entire empire. The fact that writing has not changed significantly for 2,000 years predisposes Chinese people to identify with more or less the same history and feel that they should be united and not divided, notwithstanding political upheaval, religious plurality, and ethnic shifts.
A demonstration of how strong the Chinese concept of state legitimacy is can be seen in how vehemently mainland Chinese oppose Taiwanese and Hong Kong independence. Even if they administer themselves autonomously, they can under no circumstances be allowed to opt out officially.