[NewKing97]

Hey guys. So I'm 20 years old, a junior in college, I've never had a girlfriend and I wanna get into game. I've read both Bang and Day Bang and I've read many forum post this past month, but I've still got some questions. If there's any other advice you guys got for me, I'm all ears and I'd appreciate it.

Questions:

1. In Bang, Roosh had a model for texting girls. Is this still a good model for getting girls on a date?

2. Also in Bang, Roosh says a chill venue is great for first dates like a cafe and to not do dinner or movie dates. Is this still true?

3. In night game after my approach, I know I have to keep talking for a while but what should it be about? Anything? Stuff that makes me more attractive?

4. If I approach a group of girls in night game, what's the best way to isolate and get a girl I want from the group?

[HankMoody]

1. Yes. I still use that model. Over-texting is the easiest way to fuck up, and I find there's very little to gain from everyday banter. If anything, engaging in everyday banter makes you common and ordinary.

2. Yes. Taking her out to dinner on a first date is terrible. You want to go somewhere that won't break your wallet, and you can bounce easily from. My method is a little bit different:

Date 1: Bar near her house. Ensures she will most likely show up, and you can try and get back to her house.
Date 2: Bar near my house. Do not every do a firs date in your own spot, because you don't want to be seen around town with ugly chicks. Only bring hot girls to bars where you have social proof.
Date 3: Usually something different like a hike, dinner at my place, concert, etc.

The bang on the first date approach has never worked for me.

3. Do not talk about yourself much. Let her ask questions and answer them with ambiguity. Put the impetus on her to be interesting, not you.

4. Start by talking to the whole group, then once everyone is okay with you, just start asking her questions. See, e.g.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioSh29_FeBs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ms1YK5cvi8

Minus the blue pill ending, Crazy Stupid Love is a good movie to watch for some game principles. It's way better than some of these lame "infield videos" made by "professional" pickup artists.

[BadgerHut]

Backing up Hank:

1. Yes. Girls give you numbers expecting you to ask them out, so do it up front; or they had no intention of going out with you, so get her to reveal that quickly. Over-bantering is try-hard and she'll sense you are clowning. Don't ever be self-deprecating, always agree-and-amplify or pile on ridiculousness.

2. Yes, movies and dinners have no spark or kinesthetic appeal (i.e. opportunity for touching) and are low-energy in that you're sitting down the whole time either facing each other or not talking during a movie. Don't worry too much about displaying value with the place itself, you can do that on later dates when she's established she's worth it; pick a place that isn't too generic (like, not a TGI Friday's) and you should be fine. She's there to talk to you, not embrace the surroundings.

3. Not talking about yourself is a great way to build an air of mystery. Play a game with yourself, see how long you can go without saying something that's really about you (it's OK to say "I read this article about X" or "a guy I know did this thing"). Let her roam in conversation with you as a co-conspirator.

4. Not a strong skill of mine but I've had success in opening a group and building some energy with them in an indirect way, then bumping into one or two of them later in the night and continuing from there. One time I gamed a whole group of girls after meeting one of them in the bathroom line. It doesn't have to be "talk to a group of girls and in one sequence tear one from the group."

[Rang off the Pipe]

Since you said you're in college, you would probably do best to join a social clique that gets you access to a consistent flow of at least good-looking girls. Perhaps join a club that relates to something you like doing that also attracts girls (maybe a dance club?). If you can just meet people and get invited to/host parties, that's even better. Social proof is key here since college is basically one big bubble where standard cold approach game may not be as effective.

[BadgerHut]

As a junior it's probably too late to get into a fraternity which is the ultimate college social-circle move, but you do have a few options:
* Make friends with a bunch of guys in a particular frat; you'll be invited to their parties and seen as their friends, not as high-level as being in the house but a regular
* Make friends with and/or be the guy who throws floor parties at your dorm (depending on the school this can actually be pretty lame, but my college had good dorm parties)
* Bond with staff/management at a bar in town; esp if you can bring in other people, they'll see you as a trusted customer, you'll be seen chatting with them, they'll get your drink hookups, etc

That's for the more conventional party-social-circle game. As said above there's also functional groups i.e. school clubs. Re-upping: do you know how to dance? Ballroom dance clubs at schools are hotbeds of sexual intrigue and opportunity and it's not _that_ hard to learn to dance well enough to be an alpha in that group. Plus, the requirement to lead is good for your game.

Another good type of club is any non-competition sport like kayaking, hiking or camping. Co-ed, full of active people and there's a focus to what you're doing so it isn't self-referencing back to your status and game like a social club is.

Wish I'd done more of this shit in college.

[Hypno]

Learn a little about wine or cocktails. Invite a girl over for a "drink". then there is no need to isolate or jump, lol. You could have a few bottles that you want to taste, or know this cool cocktail she has to try. Especially in college, girls are not looking for anything extravagent. I fix them a drink, chat a little, and then sit down on my sofa chair and tell them to come sit on my lap. I don't really have any other furniture due to my divorce so its always worked. Then I massage her shoulders, no one ever is opposed to that. I keep chatting with them as I'm doing this so everything is normal. I keep escalating the kino to where I'm finger banging them, and then I caveman them and carry them upstairs and throw them down on my bed. You wouldn't believe me how quickly I get from point A to point B, but speed is not necesarily the objective but rather whether you get there. (of course undue delay only increases the chance of a derailment) But i'm in my 40s and I learned how to undo a bra with one hand in 1988, not to mention my skill in giving massages, so your results may vary.

[Hypno]

Read a book called Thinking Big from the 70s. There is a chapter about being social. Talk to everyone, men women, old young. Landscape people, professors, secretaries, etc. Practice being social. Join a fraternity. Throw a party. If you have never had a girlfriend you just need to put yourself in the path of more women and practice being socially calibrated. Volunteer as a campus tour guide, orientation leader, etc. Your answer is not in a book, it comes from inner confidence and practice. That is why practicing talking to people who don't count, like an Uber driver or security guard, anyone you meet, is worth doing because its practice.

[Prof. Ligate]

1. Yeah it still works. Roosh's model for texting girls is extremely straight forward and hard to fuck up. I used it from 2012 to 2015. Once I had a good understanding of the dating process I played around with my own shit.

2. Yes movies and dinner aren't ideal for first dates. You can a lot of the time get girls off tinder or numbers from your nights out to come straight to your house instead of going to a bar - but going to a bar is still a good option.

Movies are always dumb, but I don't mind eating dinner at a dope restaurant with a chick after the second or third time we fuck. It's good at building rapport with girls, but cooking her a meal at yours will basically do the same thing.

3. Keep shit fun and light in night game. Spitting Seinfeld-like humour has become second-nature for me after hundreds upon hundreds of nights out to pick-up. If you don't know what I mean just watch watch a couple of episodes. When I was starting out I used to like watching stand-up comedy before I went out solo.

Squeeze in a little teasing, light touching, maybe dancing - and that's honestly all you need to build attraction in night game. I've had over 100 same night lays from night game now

4. Best way to isolate a girl from a group in my personal opinion is to just build attraction with the girl. You really shouldn't need to consciously sneak them away from their friends. If she likes you, she'll create the isolation herself to get to know you better

I like to be friendly with groups. Make it seem like you're the life of the party and someone who any of the friends would like to go home with. Once I stopped thinking subconsciously about shit like 'cockblocks' the less I saw them when I went out

Good luck mate

[NewKing97]

Thanks for all the help guys. The past week or so I've been doing day game around my hometown over break and from my experiences there, I have a few more questions. Haven't had any success so far, but I gotta keep trying right.

5. After I ask the girl about her prop, some women tend to become very talkative and take over the conversation. What is the best way to handle this? Is this good?

6. After I've run GALNUC, some women will give me their Snapchat or Facebook instead of their number. Is this acceptable or is there a way around this so I can get their number?

[BadgerHut]

(12-26-2017 01:55 PM)NewKing97 Wrote:  

Thanks for all the help guys. The past week or so I've been doing day game around my hometown over break and from my experiences there, I have a few more questions. Haven't had any success so far, but I gotta keep trying right.

5. After I ask the girl about her prop, some women tend to become very talkative and take over the conversation. What is the best way to handle this? Is this good?

6. After I've run GALNUC, some women will give me their Snapchat or Facebook instead of their number. Is this acceptable or is there a way around this so I can get their number?

5. Sure. Don't feel the need to drive the conversation so long as you take your opportunities to nudge the conversation and drop bait (since that's what creates the attraction). When enough time has passed, excuse yourself and suggest meeting up later - just like in the books. Her reaction/behavior will give you the signal as to whether she's actually interested or just wants a sounding board, no problem spending ten minutes or less to find out. (The problem is when a guy spends multiple dates or hours on the phone, with no action, listening to a girl bitch about this or that.)

6. Not a problem IMO - you're going to hit her up on whatever she gives you and ask her out asap, so as long as she reads the messages. There was a time where I'd have thought that Facebook etc was a lower form of contact and thus a signal of non-interest, but at this point women are so over-saturated with social apps that I wouldn't read too much into her choice of communication.

Thing is I do think it's important to not banter over the text/app/etc and go straight for the date arrangement. She needs to know you aren't like every other internet admirer and aren't going to waste your time sucking up to her. You already put on the show in the daygame encounter so she should know whether she wants to see you again or not.

[Jameson Ranger]

Not trying to be rude here 100% here, but if you've made it this far and never had a GF... You probably have a bad habbit or awkwardness that you aren't even aware of. Ask a close friend (who is GOOD with women) what he thinks is holding you back. Don't get offended by his comments and take them into account seriously. Once you get into a groove or into some dope poosay... don't stumble into the trap of one-itis. Hope that helps. Good luck dude.

[Only One Man]

For simplicity I'm gonna assume you're in the US and since you're 20 you most likely can't go to bars, and even if you can, a large part of college social life revolves around house parties even among students who are 21+.

Like someone above me said, talk to everyone all the time. If you haven't had a girlfriend before, you're most likely on the shy side. Striking up lots of conversations with random people is a good way to help get over shyness. Doesn't matter who it is, just talk and joke with people. The more people you talk to, the more people you'll know, and everything else being equal, a girl will always prefer a guy who knows a lot of people to a guy who doesn't.

Texting should be mostly used for logistics but there's nothing wrong with flirting a little bit over text and when she's using a lot of smiley faces and exclaimation points, it's a good sign. Just don't overdo it and definitely send her fewer texts than she sends you.

Dinner and movie dates are for girlfriends, not girls you're attempting to bang. Take her on a hike, go play putt-putt, go to a baseball game, bring her to a house party you got invited to.

Girls don't want to sit and listen to some guy bragging about himself but they love to talk about themselves. Ask them interesting questions. Playfully tease them. And don't be afraid to be the one to end the interaction. Tell them "I gotta go catch up with so and so but I'll come find you in a little bit".

It's tough to isolate a girl from her group. Just talk to the whole group and if one of them likes you she'll isolate herself.

[NewKing97]

Got 2 more questions. Appreciate the help so far. Joining the ballroom dance club this week.

7. Should I try to get with girls I have classes with, even if I have multiple classes with them? Is there a specific way to do it?

8. Are sorority girls worth trying to get with, or do they all suck?

[Rang off the Pipe]

7. I would strongly advise against it. I'm sure other members can go into greater detail, but as the saying goes, "You don't **** where you eat."

8. A sorority girl is simply a girl that requires more social proof than your typical college girl simply by virtue of the status she and others perceive her to have. The easiest way to get with these girls is to be in a fraternity that her sorority often has events with. At some schools with a large Greek life presence (like Alabama or Cornell), the most attractive girls will only be found in certain sororities which in turn interact with only certain fraternities. Of course, if you're good at building social circles it can be easier to pull these kinds of girls without having to be in Greek Life, but it's much tougher. The best thing to do is to meet these girls when they're freshmen and before they rush a sorority which likely dictates their social calendars.