[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-03-2017 11:35 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

It's not so much religion as it is its adherents, and treasonous government betraying its own people. Southeast Asian, Uyghur, and Chinese Muslims aren't nearly as violent and destructive as Arab Muslims.

If you waved a wand and converted all the Arab migrants in Europe to Buddhism, I'm sure they'll find no problem quickly finding an excuse to rape white girls and bomb Europeans in the name of Buddha.

Totally wrong - after 2 generations those Ex-Muslims would behave completely different.

[Kabal]

(06-04-2017 01:23 AM)TrifeLife Wrote:  

(06-03-2017 11:35 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

If you waved a wand and converted all the Arab migrants in Europe to Buddhism, I'm sure they'll find no problem quickly finding an excuse to rape white girls and bomb Europeans in the name of Buddha.

right but why did they end up rape-bent in the first place?

Duh, the intolerance and bigotry of White Nationalists.

(06-04-2017 02:45 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(06-03-2017 11:35 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

If you waved a wand and converted all the Arab migrants in Europe to Buddhism, I'm sure they'll find no problem quickly finding an excuse to rape white girls and bomb Europeans in the name of Buddha.

Totally wrong - after 2 generations those Ex-Muslims would behave completely different.

Ok, you cuntily deployed an argument by assertion against my speculative thought-experiment.

(06-04-2017 02:43 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(06-03-2017 11:35 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

It's not so much religion as it is its adherents, and treasonous government betraying its own people. Southeast Asian, Uyghur, and Chinese Muslims aren't nearly as violent and destructive as Arab Muslims.

If you waved a wand and converted all the Arab migrants in Europe to Buddhism, I'm sure they'll find no problem quickly finding an excuse to rape white girls and bomb Europeans in the name of Buddha.

They are - parts of Philippines and Thailand are Vietnam like war-zones where Jihadis kill Christians on the streets or hack them to bits.

China has immense problems with mass stabbings and suicide attacks in the past. They do the most against it by cracking down on Jihadis. They even crack down on online propagandists who live in Thailand.

Islam is causing problems no matter the ethnicity, the IQ or the socio-economic standing.

The Muslim effect per se is certainly well-above zero. However, the variance across Muslim populations is quite large in their average behavior. Muslim Arabs are state-of-the-art innovators and leaders in gang-rapes, stabbings, suicide attacks, and truckings--much more so than their Muslim counterparts in other parts of the world, hence my post which made a relative comparison.

I wouldn't be too concerned if I had a daughter in Fujian (for some reason) and one day saw three Hui Muslims walk down my neighborhood street, but if we lived in Stockholm and one day I saw three Muslim Arabs prowling around, that'd be a different story.

Religion doesn't exist in a vacuum without adherents.

Hence my preferred solution is to treat Muslim Arabs, as the problem, and just round them up and dump them back into the Middle East--instead of hoping to "moderate" their religion.

That would address two birds with one stone, and would be the safest measure.

[Teedub]

The vast majority of Islamic-related problems in the UK have nothing to do with Arabs (well, apart from the Saudis who fund the mosques!), but Pakistanis. Pakistanis have an inferiority complex because the Arabs don't see them as 'real' muslims—therefore they try to make up for this by being the most extreme. And, they often come from (or their grandparents) the most backwards parts of Pakistan, where inbreeding is rife, and they import this backwardness with them into England. The fact that Pakistan has nuclear weapons terrifies me. In other European countries it's very often not actual middle easterners causing the problem, but Turks, North Africans etc.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Philippines Jihadis:



Of course Arabs will be only a small part of the problem since only 18% of the entire worldwide Muslim population is Arab.

But why is it that Somalis are causing x-times the trouble in the US than Christian Nigerians?

Thai Jihadis:


Indonesian Jihadists who fight against the government because it is too moderate:

Chinese Uighurs:

They do plenty of attacks in China, but the Chinese are the only country that is utterly ruthless against them, so that is why their groups as soon as formed are soon dead. China even goes up against Chinese Jihadis abroad.

You are going through your ass on the race-is-everything-narrative.

Religion is a tremendous indoctrination tool - far stronger than late tools like feminism or leftism, because it starts very early and is connected to divine commands and viewpoints.

Race certainly plays a role on many levels, but truly a converted Islamic Europe would be ten times more deadly than an Arab-led one.

Thankfully this won't happen without a full-on war that Islam would lose.

[YossariansRight]

   

[Kabal]

(06-04-2017 10:37 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

The vast majority of Islamic-related problems in the UK have nothing to do with Arabs (well, apart from the Saudis who fund the mosques!), but Pakistanis. Pakistanis have an inferiority complex because the Arabs don't see them as 'real' muslims—therefore they try to make up for this by being the most extreme. And, they often come from (or their grandparents) the most backwards parts of Pakistan, where inbreeding is rife, and they import this backwardness with them into England. The fact that Pakistan has nuclear weapons terrifies me. In other European countries it's very often not actual middle easterners causing the problem, but Turks, North Africans etc.

Great, Muslim Pakistanis can be deported out too alongside their Muslim Arab comrades. Economies of scale for the win!

(06-04-2017 11:01 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Of course Arabs will be only a small part of the problem since only 18% of the entire worldwide Muslim population is Arab.

But why is it that Somalis are causing x-times the trouble in the US than Christian Nigerians?

Even playing along and accepting the nice-Christian-Nigerian hypothesis for now, black Americans (over 80% Christian, 1% Muslim) are no slouches in causing trouble.

Religion does not appear to be a very good explanation here.

(06-04-2017 11:01 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

They do plenty of attacks in China, but the Chinese are the only country that is utterly ruthless against them, so that is why their groups as soon as formed are soon dead. China even goes up against Chinese Jihadis abroad.

Is 2 since 2014, as per Wikipedia, plenty? I suppose it is, since it's 2 too many. Suspects were unidentified, but we can assume they're Muslim Uyghurs for now to be conservative. Meanwhile, in Europe, there have been over 40 since 2014, which is quite a lot plentier--err, more plentiful.

If we don't like China, across the strait, Hui Muslims are also quite peaceful in Taiwan. Foreign Muslims working in Taiwan from SEA countries don't have a reputation for being more troublesome than their non-Muslim SEA country-fellows working in Taiwan.

Taiwanese Aborigines do have a reputation for being troublesome, and they apparently are 70% Christian according to Wikipedia.

(06-04-2017 11:01 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

You are going through your ass on the race-is-everything-narrative.

3/10 attempt at poisoning the well. I understand you feel strongly about the topic of Islam, but bitchy little assertions like you've made twice now is unbecoming of you.

I'm more than fine with Islam being stamped out from the world. I do believe Islam per se increases the mean propensity to violence and destruction, as I've mentioned. However, there is substantial variance within religions with respect to said propensity, including Islam.

That should not be a controversial claim. Individuals and groups of individuals of the same religion are not monoliths. Islam is awful, but it's not exactly like the Rage Virus in 28 Days Later although we may be tempted to joke as such in dark humor.

This all goes back to my preferred solution of prioritizing deportation of Muslims from Europe--particularly the most problematic groups like Arabs and Pakistanis--ahead of trying to Close the Terrorism Gap and de-Islam them and/or convert them to Christianity, atheism, or whatever.

Deporting would definitely work and would be effective immediately. Converting would have a more uncertain time-frame with a more uncertain probability and degree of success.

Relocating those who view you as the enemy to where they can't harm you is more efficient than trying to change their minds.

People, not pots.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

I wonder how much mental gymnastics can there be for not recognizing that ideologies matter tremendously?

60.000 Muslims in Taiwan and you are bringing that up as an example of successful integration?
Yes - and the 40.000 Muslims in Poland are integrating well - you don't even notice them, because those numbers are tiny for a country of 24 mio.!

And China experienced plenty of terror - in 2014 they had 29 of the shitheads in a massive knife attack and had dozens dead and hundreds killed.

The reason for Chinese success is this:

That is a mural put right next to a mosque. And the Chinese mean it. The 3500 on the UK terror watchlist - they would already be executed and the families billed for the bullets. Instead the UK is foiling one terror attack a week.

They are even cracking down on online Jihadist and captured dozens in Thailand.

China does what the rest of the world should be doing and they have still immense security measures where crossing into Uighur territory is more a militarized zone.

Ideologies matter a lot. The communists massacred countless people, the IRA-marxists killed and caused mayhem, the Chinese red guards were killing doctors and intellectuals - yeah - it was all racially driven, nothing about an ideology that drove them on.

The Germans also - nothing with Nazism to do when they waltzed through Russian parts and killed entire Jewish villages?

Give me a break here. Ideologies matter and violent religions matter too.



The Chinese even attack outright Islamic morals, purely Islamic marriages etc:

Quote:

Xinjiang furnished the highest number of foreign ISIS fighters from any one region of the world outside of Saudi Arabia and Tunisia, the study found.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-30722268

Their Chinese genes made them join ISIS. You should study more about Islam, listen to talks of Ex-Salafis and how the mental mindset changes when you are in that religion.

[Kabal]

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(06-04-2017 05:49 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

I wonder how much mental gymnastics can there be for not recognizing that there are large sources of variation in behavior unexplained by Islam?

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(06-04-2017 05:49 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

I wonder how much mental gymnastics can there be for not recognizing that ideologies matter tremendously?

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Give me a break here. Ideologies matter and violent religions matter too.

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Their Chinese genes made them join ISIS...

Straw-men, and some more bitchiness.

I did not evoke heritability nor genetics being the source among that residual variance; I explained that the residual variance exists. I did not say the effect (how much it "matters") of religion was zero (especially with regard to Islam); if anything I remarked it was materially non-zero.

(06-04-2017 05:49 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

And China experienced plenty of terror - in 2014 they had 29 of the shitheads in a massive knife attack and had dozens dead and hundreds killed.

The 2014 Kunming attack was perpetrated by 8 individuals, killed 29 to 31 Chinese. I cannot rule out straw-men being involved on both sides to bump the total up to 29 and "dozens dead and hundreds killed," though.

This was an attempted goal-post shift: Upon 2 attacks in China since 2014 and 40+ in Europe since 2014), your transition from discussion of quantity of attacks ("plenty of attacks") to quantity of fatalities/injuries from attacks ("plenty of terror") is duly noted.

I'll play along with your attempt, because I already considered kills as the metric instead of number of attacks as the metric of interest before responding in my last post.

Let's give the Uyghurs credit for 31 and 50 kills (from the other incident in 2015) for 81 total since 2010, with a 2010 Census population of about 10 million.

Then, I linked together number of Islamic terrorism deaths in the four European countries with the largest Muslim populations (the quartet of Germany, France, UK, and Italy, via Pew), to get a sum of 286 Islamic-related terrorist deaths in those four countries since 2014 via Wikipedia (about 345 in Europe total by eye-balling Wikipedia and mental arithmetic). The 2010 population census figures for Muslim populations was about 15 million total for these countries (19 total in the EU), very generous rounding-up to a rate of 1 million from Muslim entering-migrants a year into those four countries plus in situ population growth brings us to 19 million (and we haven't passed the mid-way point of 2017 yet...).

Using those four countries captured the bulk of the European Muslim population and European Islamic-related terrorist deaths, while avoiding accidentally comparing apples to orangish apples because different sources aggregated figures differently.

We can be generous to our European Muslim brothers and grant Chinese Muslim Uyghurs no population growth.

Thus, with very conservative assumptions to bias downward the European Quartet Muslim figure and bias upward the Uyghur figure:

286/19 million is about 15.1 terrorist kills per million (340/23 would be immaterially different at 15.0, so there would not appear to be a "Quartet" effect vis a vis rest of Europe).
81/10 is about 8.1 terrorist kills per million.

We see that even under conservative assumptions, European Quartet Muslims nearly double their Uyghur colleagues in China when it comes to terrorist killings on a per capita basis.

If we used Chinese Muslims (instead of only Uyghurs), this figure would be even more stark, since Uyghurs are on the unruly side in China.

Wikipedia lists 23 million Muslims in China as of 2010, which is on the low end of a range given (1.7%, 1.5%-4.0% range). Same no-population-growth assumption gets us a figure of 3.5 terrorist kills per million.

Thus, the same conservative assumptions show European Quartet Muslims overachieve their Chinese Muslim counterparts in terrorist killings by about 4.3 times on a per capita basis.

If we repeated this exercise with Chinese Muslim Hui's, the European Muslim to Chinese Hui ratio would be infinite or indeterminate due to zero Chinese Muslim Hui terrorist attacks in the same time-frame, despite a 2011 population estimate of 10.5 million.

Our evidence suggests (or rather, is yelling at us) propensity for violence/destruction (as measured by number of terrorist killings) between European Muslims, Chinese Uyghurs, and Chinese Huis is very much not invariant, i.e. there is substantial variation across these Muslim populations in propensity for violence/destruction, clocking in at about 15, 3.5, and 0.0 terrorist killings per million adherents since 2014, respectively--even with very conservative assumptions.

No need to evoke genetics or heritability at all, just that a large residual after religion exists.

(06-04-2017 05:49 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

60.000 Muslims in Taiwan and you are bringing that up as an example of successful integration?
Yes - and the 40.000 Muslims in Poland are integrating well - you don't even notice them, because those numbers are tiny for a country of 24 mio.!

Goal-post shifting again. I was demonstrating there is substantial variance within Muslims across different Muslim populations in penchant for violence/destructiveness, and now you just tried contorting it into an issue of "integration," and adding population size as another variable (which suggests in itself there is at least a material residual variance after religion, again). Violence/destructiveness and integration are not antonyms nor mutually exclusive.

The religion of Islam increasing the propensity for violence and destruction among its adherents on average is not mutually exclusive to there being substantial variation among Muslim populations for violent and destructive behavior, nor mutually exclusive to there being large residual variances across population behaviors unexplained by religion.

Like I said, I'm all for Islam being stamped out in the world, but the immediate priority should be on deporting Islamists--to prioritize exorcising Islamists from Western Civilization rather than exorcising Islam from Islamists.

[Transsimian]

(06-04-2017 04:57 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

If we don't like China, across the strait, Hui Muslims are also quite peaceful in Taiwan. Foreign Muslims working in Taiwan from SEA countries don't have a reputation for being more troublesome than their non-Muslim SEA country-fellows working in Taiwan.

Hui is classed more as an ethnicity than a religion.

Basically they are Han Chinese that used to be traditionally Muslim, so they go down as Muslim in the statistics.

In practice however, they can be secular or of any religion.

Urban Hui tend to be more open to foreigners and foreign ideas because they are not fully mainstream, not to mention foreign sexual degeneracy

I've had 1st date sex with a Hui, I also know some Jesus freak Hui and some boozers.

Me (after we were walking from church): I'm hungry, shall we get a hamburger?
Her: I'm Muslim.
Me: mmm uhhh

Uighurs on the other hand can be quite zealous, but they don't look very "Chinese".

[YossariansRight]

   

[Mr. D]

[Simeon_Strangelight]

A Colombian Muslim planned to do another attack on her concert in Costa Rica.

I guess Islam comes to South America with gusto:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z4mS4gib1L

Quote:

Costa Rican police arrest Colombian man, 22, 'planning a terror attack at an Ariana Grande concert after he sent organisers threatening messages in Arabic'
Suspect, who has the last names Caicedo Lopez, is a 22-year-old from Colombia
Detectives launched a manhunt on Saturday after threatening messages posted
Officers seized two mobile phones that were allegedly used to make the threats

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z4mVjc5tg1
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Strangely they released his surname, but not his first name? Was it because he was named Mohamed?

Though he was arrested for doing threats. I am sure another enricher will blow himself up without issuing any threats. Always nice to splatter the guts of 9yo girls for the true Religion of Peace.

[redpillage]

(07-11-2017 03:46 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Strangely they released his surname, but not his first name? Was it because he was named Mohamed?

Though he was arrested for doing threats. I am sure another enricher will blow himself up without issuing any threats. Always nice to splatter the guts of 9yo girls for the true Religion of Peace.

Well it's Costa Rica and hopefully our latin brothers don't repeat the same mistakes the West has made by attempting to rationalize such attacks and affording terrorists all protections and legal rights of regular citizens. Toss the guy into a dark hole and throw the key away. Either that or a .22 to the head - which our forefathers used to cherish as a quick, effective, and permanent solution for dispensing with subversive criminals.

[Conscious Pirate]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The schadenfreude here is fantastic!

The homeless man who was hailed a hero for seemingly helping victims after the Manchester Arena attack has admitted in court that he stole from some of them.

Quote:

A HOMELESS man who was hailed a hero for helping those caught up in the Manchester bomb blast has admitted stealing from victims.

The Sun reports that callous Chris Parker, 33, stole a purse belonging to Pauline Healey, the grandmother of 14-year-old Sorrell Leczkowski who was killed in the attack.

CCTV footage played to the court showed Parker kneeling over bodies and rifling through bags in the devastating aftermath of the atrocity that killed 22 people and injured 400 others.

Well-wishers raised more than £50,000 ($87,000) for the thief as he received global acclaim for his apparently selfless actions.

Quote:

Parker claimed he cradled a dying woman in his arms after the blast and wrapped a T-shirt around an injured girl — when in reality he had looted a phone from a teenage girl.

He suffered a fall from grace after he admitted two counts of theft and one count of fraud as his trial was about to start at Manchester Crown Court.

The three-day trial had been due to start yesterday but was delayed as he couldn’t be found — but he was later discovered hiding in the loft of a building in Yorkshire, the court was told.

Quote:

The court heard how Parker swiped Mrs Healey’s purse, containing bank cards, from a handbag as she lay injured on the ground and then took her card and tried to use it in McDonald’s in the following days.

He also took an iPhone 6 from the grandmother, who had 15 hours of surgery to remove shrapnel from her body and also suffered multiple compound fractures to her arms and legs.

It emerged today Parker had been on the run for a month after he was bailed to a hostel on condition he wore an electronic tag.

[Rigsby]

The best part of that story about the homeless guy was how he actually took photos of the dead and dying victims. Lord knows why. Daily Mail payout perhaps. They sometimes post gore. I've seen photos on their website of the aftermath of train station bombings - blood, legs, arms, heads everywhere. They've quietened it down a bit now, but they'll still publish with stuff blurred out, just not as obvious.

Who knows.

He prodded the dying woman as well not to check if she was alive, but to make sure it was ok to steal her belongings, so the story goes.

He's the new outrage d'jour. He's a cunt all right. Hang him high for all I care, but he didn't deliberately set out to cause massive mayhem and carnage. He's just a broken man. Lots of them in Manchester.

Manchester you have to remember, is kind of the UK's equivalent of Florida. Anytime you hear a bat-shit crazy story in the news, your first instinct is 'oh, yeah Mancs probably'. It's the reason why Fark had a 'Florida' tag, and I think the DM should get one too.

Manchester is pretty much run by gangs now. The police are corrupt and doing deals with them. The rule of law has all but broken down. People live in fear. Rich people live nice lives and deny it is happening. The press deny it is happening. I'd rather take my chances in an anonymous city like London, where I could do damage and get in and get out before being noticed. So many people - you stand a decent chance if you are bold enough. In Manchester, everyone knows everyone and keeps tabs on everyone, and the woman as well who are rough as fuck and play a big part in this socially. You are marked. Your family is marked. Better to be a wolf in Londinium, or rather Londinistan.

I've spent time on the street. Most of them are scum. There are some decent ones, but what many don't realise is that the street is the perfect place to be a predator, to have a blind-eye turned.

I don't think this bloke was a predator, though he took his opportunity well. Just another fucking broken bum in a broken country who did not have the wit to see this really was his big chance.

If he'd behaved himself, he would be taking hold of 50K/80K Dollars now. That would set you up with a deposit for a flat, a car to travel to work, some clothes, hell, maybe even a quick holiday in the sun to get a tan, sort your fucking shit-skin out and take a breather from all the madness, to plan your new life.

But no. He failed to see how much he would be crucified for his actions in this day and age, not because what he did was very wrong (it was) but because the country needs outrages like him to keep it ticking over, to keep the true enemy out of the sights.

He now gets no money and is going to prison where he has already had death threats. His life his ruined. C'est la vie.

Still, not a peep about those that were maimed. I wonder to this day if they lost legs or arms, or eyes. Or lives. It was just 30 (or however many) dead, 30 (or however many) fighting for life in a critical condition. Perhaps they all just pepped up and walked out the next day like nothing had happened. Yeah, that's probably it.

No follow up on the perp. His friends. His brother got a mention when he got gripped but it's been memory-holed let's face it.

All part and parcel of living in a big city.

And don't be surprised if you are robbed by the homeless as you lay dying and taking your last breath if you do get attacked. That's all part of it as well now.

2018, the gift that has only just started giving...

[Rigsby]

Another thing that was eating away at me, but I found it:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...an-96.html

Crack addict pervert, 24, who broke into a care home and molested a 96-year-old Alzheimer's sufferer who he found strapped to a bed after trying to steal her jewellery is jailed for more than six years

Good job her brain don't work any more so she can't remember the sexual assault. What a way to go. What a compassionate society we have become.

If that was my gran, I'd be doing hard time now for kidnapping and killing the bloke that did that, oh, and all his family too. I never said I was a reasonable bloke. I never said I was a good person.

File under 'Manchester'.

Stupid English Fuckers.

[Latinopan]

(07-11-2017 05:12 AM)redpillage Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 03:46 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Strangely they released his surname, but not his first name? Was it because he was named Mohamed?

Though he was arrested for doing threats. I am sure another enricher will blow himself up without issuing any threats. Always nice to splatter the guts of 9yo girls for the true Religion of Peace.

Well it's Costa Rica and hopefully our latin brothers don't repeat the same mistakes the West has made by attempting to rationalize such attacks and affording terrorists all protections and legal rights of regular citizens. Toss the guy into a dark hole and throw the key away. Either that or a .22 to the head - which our forefathers used to cherish as a quick, effective, and permanent solution for dispensing with subversive criminals.

There are several factor, there is not:

Not massive Welfare system. Not non-assimilated neighborhood to blend and at the same time not big population of immigrants. Not low birthrate of the native population.

[Conscious Pirate]

(01-04-2018 01:49 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

The best part of that story about the homeless guy was how he actually took photos of the dead and dying victims. Lord knows why.

He'd just got a new iPhone & wanted to check out the features, Rigsby.