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#26

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Something tells me Steelex and Ogunn are both at least above average in terms of dick size. No sarcasm.

I've written out long responses two times now to the does penis size matter or how much does it matter issue that came up here and deleted them.

Believe what you want. I agree with a lot of what is being said on both sides, but ultimately I think a larger penis allows more power, sexuality, and sexual domination in a male/female relationship.

I truly hope to gain at least 3 inches of length over the next few years and at least 1.25 inches of girth.


More than that I hope that what I believe about penis size is in fact true if I am able to achieve those gains, and if not I hope Ogunn is right [Image: smile.gif]

I'll report back within the next half decade and I assure you I will be taking pics along the way as proof.

Upward and inward good friends.
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#27

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Quote: (12-12-2017 01:12 PM)Ogunn Wrote:  

Once again, no one is disagreeing with this.
However here is something you should consider. Whether a girl feels if your cock is big or not has a lot to do with her FRAME OF REFERENCE!!!! If you are significantly bigger than everyone she has had before you. You will be perceived as big, even if you are average. If she has only been with hung dudes and you are above average, you may still be perceived as small.
Another important factor is the size of the woman! Keep in mind that most human beings are anatomically proportionate.
Chances are if you are 5"10" and are dating a 4'8" girl, your cock will probably be on the bigger end of what she has had even if you are average. Conversely if you are 5'10", and are above average in size, and are dating a woman that is 5'9". The chances are, your cock is not going to be impressive to her. She has probably been with guys that were 6'5'' or taller. Because of this, her frame of reference will be above average, to large cocks.

Seriously... In America most women have seen enough dicks they know what's big and what's not.

Studies show that women who believe they are 10's are most likely to want men with big dicks. When shown dildos and asked to pick the perfect size the majority of 22 year old women chose 6.5", only about 10% chose above 7.5". So, just so we have a frame of reference here... the average woman wants a dick larger than the average man, but not by much. A small percentage of women choose huge dicks.

In my experience the women who crave the biggest dicks are fat chicks. My Chinese friend says if you want to go fishing you need to have the right sized hook for the fish you want. Which explains why all the Mandingo built guys out there harpooning whales!
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#28

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Quote: (12-12-2017 11:47 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  

I truly hope to gain at least 3 inches of length over the next few years and at least 1.25 inches of girth.

I think 1" to 1.5" is very doable. There is a ligament in your penis that can be stretched to achieve this. If you want it quick you can just have it cut in a surgery.

I don't know about girth options. I know they can transplant fat cells, but I hear it comes out looking lumpy and weird.

How do you plan to add girth?
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#29

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That's not the issue. A big dick has two huge disadvantages aside from the body and person it is attached to. I mean this in terms of how women consciously or subconsciously view the dick.

1. It is harder to control a guy with a huge dick, all else being equal. A bigger penis, so long as it isn't too painful, generally has the capacity to cause more pleasure for a woman. Look if you have 5 inches and she needs 8 to have monster orgasms, you're shit out of luck as far as penis in vagina goes. If you have 10 inches and she needs 8 to achieve monster orgasms or this is where she bottoms out, yes you have 2 inches out in the cold but she can get what she needs. This gives the man power. Power makes him harder to control. Women want a dominant man that takes charge, but despite what some of this nonsense might have you believe women crave control as well.

2. A penis that is larger and thicker than she can easily accommodate cannot generally be used by her every day. If you have a larger than average dick and she is equipped for taking average cock on the regular it will be painful for her. If you are really big it will leave her not only sore, but it will be painful to walk and piss. While she may enjoy the rough sex and pain and sexuality of your huge cock occasionally, chances are you will be physically torturing her if you try to go at it more than once or so a week. This could potentially cause strains in the relationship. This is why they have the term boyfriend dick and vacation dick. Not too many women on earth, I am willing to bet, can take a rough pounding from a 10 incher on the regular. On occassion they love that shit though, and that is why it is called vacation dick. A nice "plump" 6 incher attached to a funny and loving man is a 3-6 times a week situation with pleasure. They will generally still really have fun with the 6 incher and feel great, but it's a different experience. This is boyfriend dick.

(American) Football analogy.

Do football players train all year long? In some form yes, excluding those that take vacations here and there. How many full on kill each other type games do they play a year? Around 20. I would imagine a good NFL career is something like 10 years, and chances are none of those guys plays every single game throughout the career. That's something like 200 games. How many of these guys, who are physical beasts, walk away with no injuries after their career? I doubt more than 10%. If they don't end up with brain damage, bone fractures that don't heal right, or joint issues I can assure you they spend the rest of their lives in at least some form of dull pain.

This is the toll of intense physical "combat". Yes they get paid millions, but at least at some point in their lives they are doing it for the love of getting on that field and getting to wreck other guys and getting wrecked back.


This is similar to what your average female goes through if she has rough sex with a really hung guy. It isn't nearly as dramatic as being hit full speed by a 240 lbs beast, but keep in mind women aren't quite like actual gladiators and a vagina is still a sensitive organ despite what your girlfriend may tell you about wanting to be pounded hard.

10 hard inches of dick alternating between pounding away and stroking into most women's vaginas for half an hour is enough for at least a few days for these girls. Think about it.

The problem then arises of how you deal with each other. She thinks, do I share him? Do I have to blow his monster every fucking day to keep him happy? Do I leave him in the booty call or vacation dick category even though I really like him aside from his cock? What if his biology and psychology is such that he needs sex at least once a day, what the fuck do I do?


These are questions that will never come up in women's minds for the vast majority of men, but it both explains why women can be both reverent of huge cock and avoid it at the same time.
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#30

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Quote: (12-12-2017 11:47 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  

I'll report back within the next half decade and I assure you I will be taking pics along the way as proof.

Just be aware that for photographic purposes RVF does not accept USC, Metric, or Imperial units of measurement.

The official RVF standard for expressing linear dimension is the Gulp Scale

[Image: gulp-scale.jpg]

Any dick pic posted will require the appropriate sized Big Gulp Cup included as an accurate point of reference.

Quote: (01-19-2016 11:26 PM)ordinaryleastsquared Wrote:  
I stand by my analysis.
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#31

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Well right now I'd need to reference using a 5 hour energy. Double gulp here I come! Here's to hoping boys!
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#32

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Quote: (12-13-2017 06:22 AM)Tex Cruise Wrote:  

Quote: (12-12-2017 11:47 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  

I'll report back within the next half decade and I assure you I will be taking pics along the way as proof.

Just be aware that for photographic purposes RVF does not accept USC, Metric, or Imperial units of measurement.

The official RVF standard for expressing linear dimension is the Gulp Scale

[Image: gulp-scale.jpg]

Any dick pic posted will require the appropriate sized Big Gulp Cup included as an accurate point of reference.

In before I get doxxed:
[Image: biggulp_1294253776.jpg]

And a pic with a girlfriend from my younger days:
[Image: double_big_gulp.jpeg]

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#33

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Quote: (12-13-2017 12:26 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Quote: (12-12-2017 11:47 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  

I truly hope to gain at least 3 inches of length over the next few years and at least 1.25 inches of girth.

I think 1" to 1.5" is very doable. There is a ligament in your penis that can be stretched to achieve this. If you want it quick you can just have it cut in a surgery.

I don't know about girth options. I know they can transplant fat cells, but I hear it comes out looking lumpy and weird.

How do you plan to add girth?

Girth is harder to gain than length. But it basically comes down to a.) tissue expansion b) increased blood flow. The guys on the PE forums do all sorts of crazy shit like clamping. I'd start with jelqs.

One thing guys have to bear in mind is the average penis size is A LOT smaller than what gets spewed around on the internet. In NON self-measured studies (where the clinician actually measures), the average is around 5.1 x 4.5. These average guys go around saying they're 6+. So everything gets skewed.

Point being...it doesn't take a lot to have a big one in the eyes of most women. At a bit over 7x6, most women I bang go off on how hyooge it is, telling me I'll have to go slow,etc..
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#34

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Quote: (12-13-2017 12:26 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Quote: (12-12-2017 11:47 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  

I truly hope to gain at least 3 inches of length over the next few years and at least 1.25 inches of girth.

I think 1" to 1.5" is very doable. There is a ligament in your penis that can be stretched to achieve this. If you want it quick you can just have it cut in a surgery.

I don't know about girth options. I know they can transplant fat cells, but I hear it comes out looking lumpy and weird.

How do you plan to add girth?

My most recent routine that I stopped because of major life issues was something like this. 1 hour of manual stretching, meaning I pull at the head of my penis for as long with one hand as I can and then immediately switch to the other hand when the first one gets tired.

Prior to that earlier in the day I would do a girth routine that was something like this. 10-15 minutes of clamped edging. This basically means you force as much blood into the dick to expand it and then clamp it off with plastic to retain the expansion and relatively gently jerk off to stay as hard as possible without cumming. Immediately after that I would do jelqing for 15 minutes with vaseline. Immediately after that I would do 5-7 minutes of something like manual clamped edging. I'd make a circle around my dick with my fingers just as if it is a clamp but because I am using my hands I can release the pressure for milliseconds and kegel, which is forcing blood into the penis from a muscle near the taint, to increase expansion. With the other hand I would do the edging thing where I sort of masturbate to keep stimulated but not so much that I ejaculate. This last girth exercise and it's many variations is probably the best bang for your buck in terms of manual (hands no equipment) girth exercises but it is kind of hard because not only do you have to concentrate to keep the maximum erection possible, but it is very strenuous on the hands. It feels like a grappling exercises you would do in some combat sport to develop hand strength, not in the sense that you are building hand strength (which you are as well), but it is that tiring on the hands.

With this routine, which I did for about three months with exact measurements and pictures at the time of measurment, I was gaining length at a rate of .15 inches a month and girth at around .8 inches a month. I should add that finally, after about 5 years of a huge erectile dysfunction issue, I now have pretty damn good erections. During those three months I still had erectile dysfunction issues, but I was recovering and not as bad as previously. Getting maximum blood into the penis is incredibly important for gaining girth, so bear that in mind.


I personally think that in a duel between girth and length, girth edges out length in terms of providing pleasure to the woman and being dominant. That is why you will notice, and I think this is a consequence of some sort of evolutionary selection, that the variance in girth between the vast majority of men at the 25%-75% extreme is not nearly as high as the variance in length. I would imagine the average penis length in reality is 5-7 inches. Let's cut the shit, 5 inches and you are seriously pushing being called small and 7 inches and you are just hmm, I guess he's a little big. Girth is less varied. I'd wager that the average girth is probably 4.25-5.25.

Girth provides the girl that full feeling. Length, which was my failed obsession in the past, is more of a wow factor. I say this for two reasons. One if you have a huge girth and a 5 inch length the girls that pay attention and check the bulge in your walk or sitting position will guess you are thick, but they will easily tell how far down your dick is hanging which isn't very far. If you are long like 6+ or 7+ inches flaccid, this will make girls go into woooow mode before they see your cock. The thing is a lot of guys like that, including pornstars, are just showers. They are like 6.5 flaccid and only grow to 8 or whatever. But that wow factor is still there before the magic happens.

The second and most important reason for length is when you have what I call combat sex. From what I've seen very thick latinas are experts at this, and by thick I mean big round butts. I would post a porn video as an example but I'll just explain. If a girl has a big round butt and thick hips, she can lay on her side or flat on her stomach with her legs together. In these positions if you have a 6 inch or so dick you will be very lucky to get 3 inches of your penis in and out of the girl if she is purposely doing this. I've had this happen and it can actually be really hot and sexual and it doesn't necessarily mean she is trying to be hurtful (chances are it turns her on too to have that power), but it takes a lot of your stroke away from you. If you want to have dominant sex you generally need two things, the ability to manipulate her body easily (move her around or back and forth) and the ability to slam your dick in there as hard as you want. I am not saying this is the end all be all of sex, but it is the basic essence of dominant sex. Well if a girl with a big butt like that is over 5'3'' or so even if she is in shape she will probably be over 130 lbs or at least around that. If she is laying on her stomach and you are on top the best manipulation you can do is pull her hair and choke her, but it is hard to do that, hold yourself up with the other hand, and thrust your few inches into the box with power. You might say I can easily pick up 130 lbs, but keep in mind this isn't you or I deadlifting a barbell at the gym.

Now take that same scenario with a 9 or 10 inch dick. At that point, regardless of your girth, 6-7 inches of dick is slamming into her even when she is in full combat mode. It is like when the Spartans would make a defensive position with their shields and spears so Persian arrows didn't matter, except the situation changes to where you basically have a small tank. Yes, they are in defensive mode, but if you drive through them with an armored tank it will be hard for them to be in their dominant defensive mode.

As for what you originally said, for me I gain girth much easier than I do length. Since learning about penis enlargement and my main reason for seeking it out was to gain length. I used to do weight hanging. At my most time consuming and intense point I was hanging over 20 lbs unassisted off my dick for three sets of an hour each. This is highly unrecommended. You are supposed to take the device and weights off at least every twenty minutes and let the blood recirculate for like ten minutes, but you can see how that could turn 3 hours of hanging into 5 or 6 if you decide to talk to someone or take big breaks. The only way to achieve this amount of time is through unemployment or self employment and a maniac like dedication. It never hurt my ligaments or anything like that but it grinds on your dick a lot at the point where you attach the hanger. A lot of times your dick gets pinched and it hurts way more than being pinched in elementary school. I think the most I gained doing that routine in a given month was slightly more than .2 inches. Also, despite what some may claim, hanging is *pretty much* a length only exercise.

Bib, the creator of the Bib Hanger, which is a great product if you are in fact interested in hanging and the one I used, claims to have gone from around 6.5 inches to 10 inches in 2 years. He says he worked from home and set up his hanger so that basically all of his 8-10 hour work day he was hanging.

I do not necessarily agree or disagree with whether this is true, but from my experience I can see how hanging can cause huge length gains beyond what most other forms of length work can do. The reason is because, in my case, after I would hang for an hour straight with weight that heavy not only would I see gains in erect length over time but my flaccid dick would hang well over 5 or 6 inches for 10 to 30 minutes after.

The biggest problem with hanging aside from the pinching and sheer amount of time it requires is it is fucking inconvenient as shit. When you hang you tightly clamp a device with heavy duty screws to your dick hard enough that the device wont slide over your penis head when heavy weight is added. It has slid on my before (not because of a defect in hanger but because I rushed in attaching it) and it is fucking painful and I am sure dangerous for the nerves in your penis head if it happens enough or with a heavy enough weight. Now once you've gotten it attached, which requires ace bandage and wraps and a lot of practice and patience to get the hang of, you add a slim rope to the hanger which is attached to the weights on the other end. Let's say you work your way up to hanging 25 lbs, which may not sound like too much to lifters and bodybuilders, but keep in mind that most men that are incredibly determined to do hanging and push through the pain never make it past 10-15 lbs either because of penis injuries, pains, the inability to handle the weight, or more rarely because that is all the weight they need (very rare to gain 3 inches of length doing an hour a day at 10 pounds. I've never heard of it actually). So you cleverly set up a system where you sit in your chair in your home office and hang off the side of the chair or set up a pulley system hanging off the edge of your bed while you lay day. 25 lbs is hanging off your dick. Now the post man knocks on the door or a lover or a neighbor that is losing his mind. Not only is your hanging interrupted, which it is very important that it doesn't happen to often because it isn't just weight but also continuous time under tension, but you are sitting there with no clothes on your lower body and a heavy weight and hanger that will take at least a few solid minutes to safely get off and conceal, and that is with lots of experience.

This is my biggest issue with hanging. It hurts, is risky, and requires you to basically live a life of solitary confinement. When I was doing the three sets of an hour each daily I would lay on my bed half naked with my laptop on my stomach and let the weight hang off the edge of the bed opposite my head. There is only so much Netflix and video games and legitimate computer work you can do in that position while you hang.

Some hangers say it is about increasing weight and not so much about time. They claim build up to 45 lbs for 20-30 minutes straight once a day and you'll pack on 2+ inches in around a year. In my experience this is utter bullshit. I agree with Bib, at least 10 hours a week at a minimum and the more you do the better. That is on top of increasing the weight slowly and steadily.

I don't think it is impossible or super unlikely to gain 3 or so inches in about 2 and 1/2 years doing 2-3 hours a day of intense hanging. My issue with this besides being so fucking inconvenient and time consuming is I've only been able to maintain that lifestyle for 6-8 months at a time before moving on and never gained more than 1 inch. It is pretty remarkable to gain 1 inch on your dick of solid length in 6 months by basically just laying there, but keep in mind I was employed part time and playing videos games and casually dating one chick that was probably a 6.5-7. That was my life, as easy and boring as that sounds, and I still moved on.

The shittiest part is that not only with hanging, but any penis enlargement I've done, I've lost my gains gradually over 2-3 months after stopping. They say it can be cemented and I am not saying they lie because to cement they say at least 3-6 after gains have been made, but what if you dedicated 21 hours a week to hanging for 2.5 years and get to ten inches and then it slowly shrinks back. Or do you have to hang for the rest of your life? Travel to the Phils of Dominican Republic with 25 of weights, a hanger, and rope in your bag and spend two hours alone in your airbnb.

Again, I will report back.

Quote: (12-13-2017 11:56 AM)Teep Wrote:  

Quote: (12-13-2017 12:26 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Quote: (12-12-2017 11:47 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  

I truly hope to gain at least 3 inches of length over the next few years and at least 1.25 inches of girth.

I think 1" to 1.5" is very doable. There is a ligament in your penis that can be stretched to achieve this. If you want it quick you can just have it cut in a surgery.

I don't know about girth options. I know they can transplant fat cells, but I hear it comes out looking lumpy and weird.

How do you plan to add girth?

Girth is harder to gain than length. But it basically comes down to a.) tissue expansion b) increased blood flow. The guys on the PE forums do all sorts of crazy shit like clamping. I'd start with jelqs.

One thing guys have to bear in mind is the average penis size is A LOT smaller than what gets spewed around on the internet. In NON self-measured studies (where the clinician actually measures), the average is around 5.1 x 4.5. These average guys go around saying they're 6+. So everything gets skewed.

Point being...it doesn't take a lot to have a big one in the eyes of most women. At a bit over 7x6, most women I bang go off on how hyooge it is, telling me I'll have to go slow,etc..

Although I have no proof to back this up and no accurate and reliable study has ever been done, I would venture that average penis length is 5-7 inches and average girth is 4.25-5.25. I would imagine these numbers would vary between the Netherlands which averages some of the tallest people of any nation and Vietnam which isn't known to be teeming with 9 inchers.

My size is 7.25 length by 5.75 (I think it was actually 5.5 but my girth actually cemented a quarter inch) naturally. Most women don't say much about it. If my sexual performance is dominant, they may comment that it is "above average" or "good dick" and strip down and dance naked for me after sex. That is about 25%, but that number is growing with my age and sexual experience. 50% don't comment too much on it. 25% and decreasing eventually outright call my dick small or try to be similarly hurtful.
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#35

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@StackGsMan, if you were to choose one girth exercise to do for at most ten mins (preferably less), then what would it be? You seem to have a good knowledge of this stuff. My length is really good but I want more girth.
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#36

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Quote: (12-13-2017 05:33 PM)Kieran Wrote:  

@StackGsMan, if you were to choose one girth exercise to do for at most ten mins (preferably less), then what would it be? You seem to have a good knowledge of this stuff. My length is really good but I want more girth.

Make it 15 minutes and make it daily. Unless you are a terribly cursed girth gainer that should be enough time and consistency to give you about a half inch or more of girth in a year or at most two.

It is really hard to say which one to pick, and the reality is that if you stick to just the 10 or 15 minutes a day your needs (and by needs I mean what your penis needs to grow after reaching plateaus and what not) will change.

I think clamping is probably the best way to go for girth given your guidelines, but it is not a beginner exercise, it can be dangerous if you don't understand your penis and what is happening, and many claim injuries from it.

I personally have had great success with the limited clamping I've done. It was limited because most of my penis enlargement history has focused almost exclusively on gaining length.

I would suggest you do this, although it will be a pain in the ass (I'll explain why below) and you may eventually need to bump up the time.

Begin a routine of wet jelqing for 10 minutes daily followed by 5 minutes of manual girth work as described in my previous post (I will explain again). Wet jelqing means you jelq using some kind of lubricant. I prefer vaseline because when it is applied once it doesn't need to be reapplied again. Depending on how long your dick is each jelqing stroke should be at least 1 second and up to 3 seconds. Most claim that if you go for 3 second strokes you will have greater expansion and thus increased size. I believe I average 1.5 seconds or so per stroke. If you jelq too fast you are basically masturbating and this obviously won't cause gains.

Keep one major thing in mind when jelqing. DO NOT DO IT TOO HARD AND INTENSELY. Yes, if you do it more intensely the blood in your penis will move around with more force, but there are many horror stories of guys bursting blood vessels and causing other injuries that have made them lose proper dick function for a period of time (sexual function, not pissing) and also resulted in them losing half an inch or more of size. Although I have never gone through an injury this intense with penis enlargement I have had lots of minor injuries from hanging and the result is that the penis retracts into itself at least temporarily in order to be safe and to heal. For that reason I believe those accounts of penis injuries and loss of size from too much intensity. A simple illustration is when the weather gets really cold your dick shrinks, which they call turtling. This is the penis, which is an extremity, trying to save itself from a harsh stimulus.

You don't really need to count the number of strokes, just don't go too fast or too slow and have a timer on and make sure you hit ten minutes. Also there are different recommendations as to how erect you should be when jelqing. I personally believe it is best to stay as close to 90-100% as possible to get maximum expansion, but MOST JELQERS I have heard from say no more than 60-70% erect to avoid injury and allow the blood to more easily swoosh around.

This routine alone if done consistently for 2-3 years will probably net you something like 1.25-1.5 inches in length and .25-.5 inches in girth, which is actually pretty phenomenal given how little work is involved. I know that sounds like a long time for such meager gains, but thus is the world of penis enlargement. I've heard of guys gaining 1 inch in length and .5 in girth in 6 months doing only that, and I've also heard of guys basically gaining nothing after a year and a half of doing it (by nothing I mean .25 length and maybe .15-.2 in girth).

All that being said, jelqing is considered a beginner exercise and only a warmup after one learns the ropes. I would add 5 minutes to the end of that and do manual clamped edging as I described before. Basically after you finish jelqing make a circle around the base of your dick with your thumb and pointer finger and squeeze. Do kegels, which is a technique by which you can push blood into your cock (that's not the only purpose of a kegel but is how it is done). When you are forcing blood into your dick lessen your thumb/pointer finger grip so that the blood can actually move up, and then tighten the grip so that the penis is more full of blood and expanded. You should notice your dick getting more plump than usual. When one hand gets tired switch to the other, but do your best to keep the blood trapped for the whole five minutes and try to stay as plump/expanded as possible. This means that when you switch hands do so relatively quickly (it isn't kung fu speed but be diligent) and constantly try to kegel more blood into your dick. When you kegel at a certain point no matter how much you try more blood won't fill your dick as that is it's greatest possible expansion at that point in time. Also if you overdo the kegeling your PC muscle (which is what allows you to kegel) will get fatigued and so will your penis and you will lose some of your erection.

I highly recommend porn and heavy visual sexual stimulation of some sort when doing all of this. When I do girth I log into my favorite porn site, where for the purpose of girth I have made a profile where I save my favorite videos, and I look at the clock on my computer when I start and just watch the porn with a gentle eye to when I hit the 10 minute and 5 minute mark so that I can switch.

I don't think this will get the average penis enlargement guy that far unless he is dedicated for a very long time (many many years).

Eventually if you want great girth you probably need to incorporate one or both of two things, only one of which I have experience with. The one I don't have experience with is the Bathmate. I have heard from sources all over that the Bathmate can produce more girth gains than anything else. There are stories of guys gaining 1.5 inches in girth in a year from doing 15-20 minutes a day. That is fucking insane if it is true, because for example in my case I would have a penis almost as thick as Shane Diesel's in a year from minimal work. I have generally heard with proper use .75-1 inch in a year is doable. I have never used that device and while I probably will look into it in the future, there are also many horror stories. There is a good deal of talk about burst blood vessels, and potentially even worse the penis developing a permanently large yet spongelike feeling. By this I mean that a normal well functioning erection, despite the size, is pretty damn hard. Many say that the bathmate leaves you semi soft even when fully erect.

I personally think it is clear that at least some of these pornstars do some form of penis enlargement. In the case of Shane Diesel I wouldn't be surprised if he used a bathmate or the more primitive air pumps to get that girth. Surprise surprise his dick is never like a rock. Yes it is huge and it more than gets the job done, but part of having a mighty cock is being mighty hard. It could be that this is just his own natural issue and he didn't do penis enlargement at all, but if the rumors are true I fear that is a possibility. Not saying it is, just a warning.

The other intense girth tactic is to clamp. There are many horror stories about this too, but I have done it and I think it is great. You just buy a cheap 1-2$ clamp (I use cable cuff which is used for computer wires and cords) and clamp it pretty tightly around the base of your erect cock and kegel blood in similar to the manual way above. Then you clamp it on and masturbate to keep your erection and to stay as engorged as possible. Sometimes you need to loosen it and kegel in more blood, and sometimes you might need to take it off entirely and get yourself hard again. Ideally you will be hard and engorged the whole 10 or so minutes you do this and you will only slightly release the clamp every couple of minutes to re stimulate and kegel some more.

There are more exercises for girth but these are the foundational techniques and more than enough to begin. Let me know if you have any more questions.
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#37

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If you spent 1% of that time figuring out what the girl in your bed really liked sexually, neither you nor she would ever worry about penis size again. She'd get off and you'd get off.

Girls have this trick when they really want a bigger dick in their life. It's called a dildo and it's always there when they want it and the right size and shape and hardness and never goes limp.
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#38

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Nobody is asking for opinions on whether we should do it or not. You don't want to do it, then don't, cool. Myself, I want to grow a monster just because I can.

StackGsMan, thanks for the reply. I'm not a complete beginner, I've jelqed ten mins a day, six days per week since march and have gone from 8 inches bone pressed to 8 3/4 inches bone pressed in that time and I seem to be still gaining, girth however has only increased by 3/16 of an inch in that time. 15 mins is too much for me to add so I'm going to start with 5 mins and see how that goes and maybe increase to 10. I can afford 20 mins out of my day pretty comfortably.
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Quote: (12-13-2017 04:54 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  

My size is 7.25 length by 5.75 (I think it was actually 5.5 but my girth actually cemented a quarter inch) naturally. Most women don't say much about it. If my sexual performance is dominant, they may comment that it is "above average" or "good dick" and strip down and dance naked for me after sex. That is about 25%, but that number is growing with my age and sexual experience. 50% don't comment too much on it. 25% and decreasing eventually outright call my dick small or try to be similarly hurtful.

Stacks... I'm just over 6" and I've never had any girl say anything bad about me. Quite the opposite actually. If 25% of the women you sleep with actually say something rude or demeaning to you... then they are treating you like a beta. You need to respond with pure alpha. My cousin is exactly your size, so he says, and he had a girl give him some shit about it once. He responded that even if it was the size of a baseball bat it would be loose in her.

I did some thinking about this thread and in general I understand you. I'm pretty happy with my size now. I know that there are different kinds of sex and big dick guys have their niche. If I were to get involved with penis enlargement it would be specifically for my own aesthetics. I wouldn't do it because I think it might pleasure a woman better... because I know from experience that it likely won't. I do however recognize that I might enjoy looking at myself in the mirror more if hung lower.

Here is the thing. Stretching your dick for the most part just stretches your ligament... and when you stop stretching the ligament tightens back up. Why not just have the surgery and get the thing cut? I'm pretty sure that's what porn stars do.
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scorpion had a great post along these lines a few years ago:


Quote: (07-03-2014 02:47 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

I get where you're coming from. You basically look at yourself as a skilled craftsman when it comes to sex. You want the work to reflect well on you and you take pride in doing a good job.

The trouble with this attitude is when taken too far it basically reduces the man to a walking dildo/vibrator. It's just another way of putting women on a pedestal, in this case by measuring the success of your sexual encounter by the amount of pleasure you give her. That is not alpha. It's beta supplication behavior. It's essentially coming from a scarcity and fear mentality: the idea that if you don't fuck her like a porn star every time, she's going to wander off and find a guy who does.

The actual alpha way to approach sex is to simply maximize your personal pleasure and not even care about hers at all. Of course, this requires actually maintaining an alpha frame 24/7 and not just jackhammering a girl in bed and assuming that gives you "alpha" status. So it's the difference of living as an alpha versus trying to be alpha in the bedroom with porn star behavior.

To be honest I can't really fault guys for falling into this trap. I used to think that way myself for a long time, and the reality is that pleasuring a woman well is pretty much never going to hurt you. The danger is just in overemphasizing that and losing sight of the necessity of maintaining your alpha behavior outside the bedroom, which is ultimately far more important than bedroom skills.

So basically, if porn star sex is your hobby, then by all means continue. But defining that as alpha behavior is off the mark.

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It's hard to find fault with that reasoning because it is qualified. At the end he basically says it is alpha to focus mainly/solely on your own pleasure OR to focus on hers via the pornstar sex comment.


Bottom line, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Developing as a man into your full potential as far as attracting and bedding women can take so many different forms that it would take too much effort to enumerate them. Alpha, while useful as a basic guidepost for what all forward looking and moving men should strive for, is incredibly vague and can mean so many different things. Being alpha can also be expressed in the course of life in so many different ways that may even seem to be in direct contradiction to each other.


Basic example. Being alpha in a given situation could mean defending yourself and your girl in a bloody fight against aggressors when you are unarmed. This isn't exactly take the girl for drinks and then penis in vagina afterwards alpha, but it goes back to one of the deepest parts of the meaning of that word. Despite what you may think, that scenario is more sexual than making money or being the slickest player in the club. Now the same scenario can be flipped on its head and the guy turns out incredibly beta. Aggressors attack you when you are with your girl and you somehow physically dominate one of them so much or get some lucky shots in and one ends up dead. You end up serving 30 years in prison. Despite how impressive you may be, you are now more beta then the guy that gets laid once every two years by luck. If you aren't incredibly rich and connected your sex life is sleeping with other men or using your hand for decades.


That example kind of went off on a tangent but my point is alpha shouldn't really even be included in this thread as I originally meant it, and even if it is there is no valid argument for saying that if two guys are the exact same person in every way except penis size that a large penis cannot be a tool used to increase ones value without even speaking a word.


I think I have mentioned this before, but penis enlargement is a very low return on investment for the goals of the vast majority of the men of the world and even for a forum of male advancement such as this one.


It takes a LOT of time, effort, and patience and the returns overall for all but the top gainers is relatively insignificant.

If your goal is to get laid by more women, higher quality women, have a better social life, or generally advance in society as a man this should be low on your list of priorities. I've said it before, wealth, fame, a great physique, a great lifestyle, a tremendous social circle, intelligence, and experience with women will all get you further.


All that being said, it is not without merit that a significantly larger penis *all else being equal* will in fact bump you up with the vast majority of women. Doesn't mean you will get laid more, it is deeper than that (pardon the pun). The thing is though that it is just a tool that most men disregard because they know there are more important things in getting quality women and very few believe or have the determination to go through penis enlargement.


Look, on this very forum, which I have always found credible, there have been guys that have argued that getting in great shape physically does very little for gaining and keeping hot women. There are tons of guys out there that have bodies that put them in the 8 or 9 or 10 category that are dating women way below them in terms of looks or barely getting laid consistently. In my personal experience having a great body made getting women feel like a walk in the park despite weak game. Now am I supposed to believe those guys that say having a great body doesn't help even if it is true in their case?

I don't think so. Yes, they are probably lacking in other aspects of their game and life, but the reality is while having a great body won't allow you to necessarily dive into the pussy of every 9 in sight, it CAN have a tremendous impact on how your game and life with women moves forward.


Having a large penis is an extension of that. Penis enlargement is a form of body building, although one that is least readily visible because of the nature of clothes. Yes, there are guys that are born to be 6'3'' with a muscular build and abs that never hit the gym. But in this day and age most of these built guys that make girls look twice are spending at least 3-4 hours a week lifting or otherwise exercising.

Penis enlargement is the same thing, it's just that the upfront payout is much less. If you are born to have a 6 incher and you miraculously make it 10 inches over half a decade it will have a substantial effect on your love life if all else is equal and you continue to advance yourself. There should be no argument in this.


Again, simple question. If a woman wants to pay for a gigolo for a one time sexual escapade to satisfy a freaky part in her that she never lets out otherwise, is she going to choose the guy with 5.5 inches or the one with 10 inches if they are otherwise exactly the same guy? This is a very real and relevant example of VALUE, which is a term that has seemed to be thrown in the trash or at least put aside in these circles I assume because of where it got started in the PUA scene. Yes, Mystery Method, while valid is a lot of ways, has either been built upon greatly or for many guys entirely cast aside. But the whole Demonstrating Higher Value notion is fundamental to understanding women and advancing as a man. Nearly everyone on this forum accepts that but no one frames it that way. Being "alpha", for example, is one catchall phrase that has replaced the various components of what it actually means to be alpha.

One of the necessary components of being "alpha" is to be of high value. Having a body part, especially one of the two most quintessential of the male sexual organs (the other and possibly more important being the testicles), that is prized can be very useful in life with women.

I can assure you, not through any direct evidence but rather obvious intuition, that the porn star Mandingo has been paid thousands and thousands of dollars through the years by both men and women to sleep with WOMEN aside from his porn work. This is because of his penis.

Who is probably better off with women, George Clooney (probably above average dick but not by much) or Mandingo. I would venture Clooney. But that doesn't change the fact that Mandingo is being paid to use his penis because of its size.

Pretty much every man on earth except maybe 1%, and most likely fewer than that, have to throw some amount of money, power, or time at women to get laid. How many guys on this forum have either had to spend hours and hours with a girl (and that is with a pretty high level of game) or shower her with drinks/dinners/whatever before they get laid. That is basically every guy here, at least at some point in their game or with certain women.

A guy with a penis like Mandingo, as others in this thread have mentioned about word being passed through the grapevine, will have offers for sex come up without doing anything. A large penis will not get you that far without the other important things in the game or male/female dynamic world, but if you have your game and everything else firing on all cylinders and you magically develop a 10 incher I am pretty sure your could end up making a comfortable living just off sex with women. That doesn't even mean male prostitution.

I am talking about you could have a girlfriend or wifey or two or more that will support you in every way because you provide them with sexual satisfaction beyond anything they've ever even come close to. As others have said and I 100% agree, this isn't by any means, or rather AT ALL, limited to having a big dick. There is a lot more to sex than penis size, and women can have an incredible sex life with a man that is even 5 inches.

If you are 5 inches but you know how to take her out, dance the night away, make herself and all her friends laugh, make her friends jealous that they don't have you, be smooth and well dressed, and take her to your magnificent house or condo and give her a great sexual experience, that will blow away to smithereens just having a big dick. A big dick cannot even come close to comparing. But if you can do all that and you can make her feel "like a little girl" or "like a baby" or "like a virgin" because of your size, that is an entirely different level. It is a lot like height. How many women want a short guy? Part of the appeal of guys 6 ft plus is that they make the girl feel small and feminine without even having to say a word by virtue of their physical size. Now this doesn't mean a fat, broke, bumbling idiot that is 6'3'' is going to kill it with the ladies. But all else being equal being taller is better. Yes, she probably doesn't want to date the tallest man in the world that has trouble walking properly. But put a lie detector test on every girl in the world. I would bet the house that 70% or more would prefer a guy that is 6'4'' or taller to a guy that is 5'8'' or shorter, and those other 30% have particular reasons.

It is a similar (not the same) issue with penis size.


I personally have a ton of respect for Indian and East Asian guys and I legitimately believe that there are millions of them with super tight game and great looks. I know for a fact that there are tons of them, whether in their own countries or abroad, that women find sexy as hell and they are smooth as any players in the West. They just happen to look different than Westerners and speak differently. But is it any coincidence that generally worldwide these two groups are both associated (whether correctly or not) with small penises and being the least desired by nearly all groups of women?


Perceived sexual prowess in the minds of women, and penis size plays a big role in that perception, is a substantial portion of a female's sexual psychology. The thing is that by the nature of reality and this world they just don't act on it. You think it is just men that see the girl with the big booty or great tits or gorgeous face and slim waist and want to cheat? Women are the same or possibly even worse, they just don't act on it as often or cover it up much better for fear of the consequences.

Male strippers with large penises can explain something to you quickly. When women go see them often times they don't sleep with them, but their bodies and penises send the women into sexual overdrive. Then they go home and demand some great sex from their boyfriend or husband.

When men hit strip clubs for the most part it isn't just the ass and tits that gets them, most of them actually go there to fuck or to be rubbed up on so much that they reach orgasm.

Which of those two is more devious to you? I personally think it is the women, and it does revolve around penis size.
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Quote: (12-14-2017 01:37 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

Nobody is asking for opinions on whether we should do it or not. You don't want to do it, then don't, cool. Myself, I want to grow a monster just because I can.

StackGsMan, thanks for the reply. I'm not a complete beginner, I've jelqed ten mins a day, six days per week since march and have gone from 8 inches bone pressed to 8 3/4 inches bone pressed in that time and I seem to be still gaining, girth however has only increased by 3/16 of an inch in that time. 15 mins is too much for me to add so I'm going to start with 5 mins and see how that goes and maybe increase to 10. I can afford 20 mins out of my day pretty comfortably.

Just saw this Kieran. Glad that you've been working at this and I have to say your gains and size is actually spectacular given how little (relatively speaking) work you've put in. Please don't take any of this as being sort of homo, we are in fact talking about dicks here.

From what I've gathered jelqing is generally considered a beginner workout or one that anyone can do with little effort. If you've gained 3/4 of an inch in length just from 60 minutes of jelqing a week in less than a year than I'd say you either developed a better ability to hold blood in your dick or you are a pretty damn fast gainer or more likely both.

From what I've heard, because I have never gone more than a couple of months jelqing, jelqing is more of a length exercise with *some* added girth, particularly is you are jelqing with a lower erection level (say 60-70% erect). I have heard the more close you are to 100% erect, while the danger of injury goes up, the less length you get and the more girth.

Honestly I would just say keep doing exactly what you are doing until your gains either stop or slow down to the point of not being worth it and then hit me up or figure something new out to break through the plateau.


I probably mentioned this to you but some guys gain girth faster and others length. Very few gain both quickly and most guys have trouble gaining even a little bit of either.


I gained 3/4 of an inch in length in the same amount of months as you did since you've been jelqing 10 minutes a day except that I was hanging upwards of 15 lbs off my dick for 2-3 hours a day nearly every single day. I'm not the jealous type about these sorts of things, but if I were I would be jealous of your gains even compared to everything I've read over the years. Not the best by any means, but it is up there.


About the girth you need to keep two things in mind. For the most part nobody will gain girth at the same rate as people can gain length. The penis is just not designed that way and for whatever reason penis enlargement nearly never seems to work that way.


What I mean by that is it is extremely rare to hear of a guy gaining 1 inch in length in the same time he gains 1 inch in girth. Usually the only time you hear of these things happening, and they are very very rare, is when a guy pretty much ONLY wants girth and basically focuses only on that and happens to gain length as a side effect. People talk about this sort of thing with the Bathmate. While a lot of guys have gained an inch or two in length from just the bathmate, some guys that gain like 2 inches of girth over the years from pumps end up gaining length at nearly the same rate as girth.


I will use myself as an example of girth vs length. I've generally always wanted to focus on length and only cared about girth in the distant future. It just so happens that I tend to gain girth much more easily than length, and I probably gain girth at a rate that is faster than most men. With approximately 30 minutes of girth work a day (no bathmate or pumps or I suspect this would be a much higher rate), I tend to gain at slightly less than .1 inches of girth a month. I haven't ever gone that far with it, but a few months back when I was back into penis enlargement for a 3 month period I would measure and take pictures every month. I think I went on for something between 3-4 months and my penis was starting to look like a meat pole.

I was a hair under 6 inches erect girth, but sadly I was only around a fraction or so under 7.75 bone pressed length.


Now that I've gone into my penis' life story let me get back to the point. Some gain length faster and others girth. If you are happy with your length and want to focus exclusively or almost exclusively on girth, and given the amount of time you can dedicate, I would recommend you get into clamping and/or pumping (ie via the bathmate).

I know in my case clamping works wonders on my girth. I have never pumped so I cannot recommend it, but my intuition is that it is the ultimate way to go for girth in general but particularly for a guy like you that wants to spend a minimal (less than half an hour a day) amount of time on penis enlargement.


Like I told you by PM I have heard of scary side effects from pumps and the bathmate itself, and I have never used that device myself. I have however seen picture proof of pumping results and the idea behind it makes perfect sense if you don't suffer the injuries or side effects. I've seen guys develop nearly 8 inch erect girths over a decade or so of minimal pumping starting from around 5.5 inches girth. The biggest bonus from what I imagine is that it also feels good. It isn't sex at all, but in my experience with girth work having your penis swell feels really good.


My last note is about clamping. I have clamped and I think it is at the very least a great side tool for girth, and at most a tremendous way to have a monster girth. There was a guy nearly a decade ago on a penis enlargement forum I found that was a huge proponent of clamping. He had a huge girth and his length was around your size. He often made comments about how girls would lose their shit when they say his dick because of the girth and the length didn't factor in as much. He and others developed many ways to clamp in more and more advanced ways, but overall what it does is just make your dick swell up with blood and then trap it for 5-15 minutes like that, expanded that is. It is dangerous and highly unrecommended to do it for more than 10 minutes at once without taking a break for a while, but when I build up I am able to get around 15 minutes. I have heard of guys that do it for up to half an hour at once.

The danger with it is that when you do it you will notice that after a certain amount of time your penis will turn purple/dark (or whatever color based on your natural skin color) and your dick will get colder and number. This is because clamping is essentially cutting off circulation, in fact that is exactly what happens. Kind of like going under water and holding your breath. Your penis girth while actually clamped will temporarily expand somewhere between .125-.25 inches, and with time you will be able to clamp for a longer amount of time before your circulation issues kick in.


You can imagine that if 6 days a week your dick expands like .15 inches beyond it's normal size when rock hard erect that with time it will get thicker and thicker. I personally think your girth gains, 3/16 of an inch, from your minimal jelqing routine is already impressive, and if you add 10 minutes of clamping directly afterwards (only build up to 10 minutes gradually, don't hurt yourself), you will add on girth like a monster.

Not sure if I mentioned my girth routine from a few months back at its peak or not but it should shed some light. 10 minutes clamping. 15 minutes jelqing (I do so with a high erection level). 5-8 minutes of manual girth work. Followed by 5 or so more minutes of clamping. The thing about length is it is basically just about about how long, with how much force, and how often you give your dick a stretch. Some guys gain faster, for others it is a pain in the ass. The same is true about girth being easier and harder for some, but the dynamic is different.

In order for you to gain girth, especially monster girth, it isn't about consistently doing the exercises and how much time you put in as it is for length (that is a very basic analysis). Girth is about causing the maximum amount of expansion in your penis girth during your girth session. Guys that have gained 3-4 inches in length and make products and forums often talk about doing length work for upwards of 4-5 hours a day for a decade or something like that. Guys that end up with huge girth, and I'm talking about 7-8 inches erect girth, rarely do more than 45 minutes of girth daily, and that is pretty much and absolute maximum. 7-8 inches girth is basically as thick as any of the thickest pornstars you've ever seen. Like that size is as thick as most adult male wrists.


The reason these huge girth gainers don't put in that much time is twofold. One, girth is a more active form of enlargement than length. Length is just tug tug tug tug tug. Girth is I have to stay focused and keep my dick at maximum erection for several minutes.

Second, and most importantly, what I was hinting at above is that gaining girth and doing so relatively quickly is almost exclusively about how much "temporary expansion" can you get in one session and possibly as importantly how long can you keep your penis expanded (I am not talking about being erect, I mean slightly larger than normal when flaccid) after your session. Guys that are very successful with girth talk about expanding up to .5 inches in one session. This is like me going from (not my actual measurements) 6 inches girth to 6.5 inches girth in the span of 10-20 minutes. That's literally wow he's thick as hell to he's a fucking monster.

I have never heard of jelqing doing this and have never experienced that much expansion from jelqing. The combination of exercises I mentioned above that I did for girth combined with weight lifting and a good diet (for good blood flow) got me to at most a hair above .25 inches temporary expansion. You also have to limit yourself to not ejaculating more than once or twice a day at most so you can get as erect as possible. I was very obese and dealing with shit for like half a decade so my erections were beyond fucked (talking couldn't even get half staff with several different women naked in front of me), so chances are that now that my erection is almost back to the old days I might be able to get more than .25 inches temporary expansion with consistency over the coming months.


From what I have heard the best way to get that huge temporary expansion is with the bathmate. Guys that figure it out and are lucky to gain girth well have claimed up to .5 inches in temporary expansion. At that rate I wouldn't be surprised if you could gain girth at around .15 inches a month for a while until your gains started to slow (eventually your gains will slow no matter what which is why we don't see guys with 20 inch dicks despite doing penis enlargement for like two decades).

As I said above the final piece of the puzzle for girth is keeping that expansion. Even if you have the miracle of a temporary .5 inches of expansion, over 30 minutes or possibly up to 3-4 hours later your dick will shrink back to nearly it's normal size except slightly more swollen. I am sure you know this from jelqing.


Leaders in penis enlargement have said that huge gains in both length and girth are made from remaining expanded for as long as possible while "healing". Healing means basically every minute you aren't actively using your hands or devices to expand your penis. In your case this would be 23 hours and 50 minutes a day. For length they recommend wrapping your dick with ace bandage or using a device so that your flaccid dick is as long or nearly as long as it can get without being erect. For girth they recommend putting on a cock ring that is soft to keep your dick pumped up after you get that temporary expansion.

I cannot vouche for this idea personally, but it seems to make sense. All I can say is that I once tried for a few days wrapping my dick in ace bandage over night while sleeping to keep it expanded and it caused purple dick and my erections went to shit. The thing is with both of these techniques, whether girth or length, they say every once in a while like an hour at most you have to take the wrap or cock ring off and restimulate the penis to keep the blood flow going. Again, I cannot speak to this but the powers that be claim it is a vital part of huge gains in a short time. They do not say it is necessary for huge gains overall, just for huge gains faster than others (say 2.5 years rather than 7).

Good luck and keep me updated.
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But why do you want a bigger dick?

Is it adding value to YOUR life or hers? And if you say it's adding value to YOUR life because it adds value to hers (sexual) then that's supplication behavior. Because you're basing your value dependent on hers.

Going to the gym and building your body is totally different. You can actually DO things when you're stronger. Build things, carry more things, protect your loved ones better, etc.

What other things can you do with a big dick? Hang clothes from it? Swing it around like a helicopter? Those are nothing more than parlor tricks. Yes, I'm being facetious but my point is having a big dick really doesn't add value to your life.

I'm average in size and I've never had a complaint. That's not to say that girls haven't complained to their friends (I don't know) but who gives a flying fuck if they do? If their pussy needs more than 6 inches for pleasure then that's on her for being a whore.

I'm not on this earth to bring pleasure to women. I'm on this earth for them to bring pleasure to me.

"Once you've gotten the lay you have won."- Mufasa

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Quote: (12-15-2017 01:47 PM)Vill@in Wrote:  

But why do you want a bigger dick?

Is it adding value to YOUR life or hers? And if you say it's adding value to YOUR life because it adds value to hers (sexual) then that's supplication behavior. Because you're basing your value dependent on hers.

Going to the gym and building your body is totally different. You can actually DO things when you're stronger. Build things, carry more things, protect your loved ones better, etc.

What other things can you do with a big dick? Hang clothes from it? Swing it around like a helicopter? Those are nothing more than parlor tricks. Yes, I'm being facetious but my point is having a big dick really doesn't add value to your life.

I'm average in size and I've never had a complaint. That's not to say that girls haven't complained to their friends (I don't know) but who gives a flying fuck if they do? If their pussy needs more than 6 inches for pleasure then that's on her for being a whore.

I'm not on this earth to bring pleasure to women. I'm on this earth for them to bring pleasure to me.

I think you are talking past my point here.

Your argument is very valid. An average dick is more than enough to satisfy a woman. As you said you are also having sex to satisfy yourself, not her. In that case it doesn't matter. If you spend 20 hours a week hitting the bars or clubs or otherwise pursuing women you will get laid much more both in the short term and in the long term because of greater experience than if you spend those 10-20 hours growing your dick.


What I am saying is that developing a particularly large dick can be a tool in the game. I am not espousing big dick game. It is pretty much a given that for most women a larger dick is more sexually fulfilling than a smaller one up to a certain point. If it is way to large and it hurts then that can be a problem. But if you go from 6 inches to a solid 8 inches and become much thicker then she will get more sexual pleasure if you know what you are doing and you can get more out of her, again if you know what you are doing in the relationship.


Sex to an extent is a bargaining tool. Women thoroughly view it this way. Forget 2017 where it is increasingly growing that women will discretely or sometimes openly go out for random sex. Since the beginning of humanity sex was used both as a bargain and as a means to procreate. Look at married couples. The more a man is hopelessly tied into a marriage the less the woman ends up having sex with him and the less enthusiastic and "good" she becomes in bed. When I say hopeless I don't mean all marriages are hopeless, I am talking about the large and growing percentage of marriages that move towards falling apart and usually end in divorce, oftentimes a bitter one.


A big dick does not solve any of these problems. It is just a tool. Let's forget about having a big dick and use another example. Let's say you have an average dick but through knowledge and experience you know how to provide an amazing/spectacular experience to a given girl. Compare that to a really lackluster performance on your part. Which scenario, if both guys have an average dick, will have the girl more likely to eat out of your palm in both the short term but especially the long term? I am in no way saying this is the only important thing. I have also experienced myself many times where my sexual performance was terrible and the girl was infatuated for other reasons. I've even had an experience where I dated a girl in her 30's who loved sex but before we ever got into bed she said despite loving sex she had never had an orgasm. I gave her her first orgasm (she didn't admit it, but with experience you can tell these things). My dick isn't 10 inches, the experience was more about how I handled her in bed and the psychology of it in her mind. The funny thing is, which will add to your point, after I gave her that orgasm she broke up with me shortly after because I wasn't committed.


What I am saying is you are right, a big dick is not at the top of the list of things that will fulfill you or any woman you are with. As I've said, if you want tons of notches, flags, or quality women and a great life sitting around making your dick bigger is a very low return on investment.


What I am saying is that a particularly large dick *can* give a man a sort of power over many women when he has the game to get that far with them that an average penis cannot. I am pretty sure that everyone here knows that power can be a very useful tool in life when used appropriately and when it doesn't backfire on you.


For the hundredth time, penis enlargement for almost all men is a very low return on investment and there are tons of other things that are more important and will give you a better red pill life. Becoming wealthy, achieving fame, location independence, living in a city that you love, living in a house/apartment in a great area, social connections, a ripped and strong body, a fulfilling job, reading books that expand your mind and your realization of reality. All of these things are examples of things that will get you much further than penis enlargement.

That doesn't mean, however, that growing your dick to monster size through hard work and determination is entirely merit less. The thing is it just depends on your individual goals and how much time and energy you have to do it.



About your body versus dick size examples, you are off the mark. I know you said you were being facetious to an extent, but you are building a straw man here in a sense.

I've both had an amazing body and years later been majorly obese. For the purposes of this forum and reality, going to the gym and building a big body is just a relatively quick and easy way of upping your value in society, but particularly with women. This is not the 1800's where we are building log cabins to survive the Illinois winter where we need physical strength. Unless you are an athlete that is trying to earn a living through using the gym, for the most part you lift weights in order to develop a sexy body. I put it that way because that is what it is. A developed chest and arms with a flat and ripped stomach and proportionate glutes and legs makes women's psychology scream fuck me. It is a way, without talking, that you signal that you are hard working, motivated, goal oriented, and also physically able to use your body to provide them pleasure both physically and psychologically.


Going to the gym to better defend yourself is valid, but for the most part it is stupid. I say this having years of experience in the weight room and also a fair amount of experience in combat sports. A strong body can help you physically dominate another men whether for offensive or self defense purposes, but it is hardly ever used for that purpose. If you fight a less powerful guy that knows how to fight or has a weapon (whether gun or knife or something else), you will most likely lose unless you get lucky. If you want a powerful body AND combat readiness this will take years and years or working at a form of combat or martial art. You don't bicep curl 185 lbs and walk in a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu school and suddenly dominate guys that have been doing it for 20 years just because they are small. Benching 350 lbs doesn't matter in a fist fight if you are fighting a guy that knows how to move so that you cannot land a punch.


If you have a strong body from lifting or exercise and you attack someone you will probably end up in a courtroom or the back of a police car anyway, and that is if you are lucky. Best case scenario you win and run away.


If you think you are big and strong and that matters ask some of the guys that live in Bangkok about being aggressive on the street. I have never been to BKK, but I have been other places and what they say, while particularly relevant to that city and country, is true generally. It doesn't matter if you are 6'2'' and 225 lbs of solid muscle, if you start shit on the street you will get swarmed and get the shit beat out of you.


I am a pretty big guy and any time I am perceived as slightly aggressive I either end up dealing with the law or a group of 2 or 3 guys step to me. Even Mike Tyson got his ass handed to him in prison when he got incarcerated because an actual fight or combat is different than benching 5 times a week.


Bottom line for most of our purposes a big strong body does two things. First and most importantly it gets female attention and gets them turned on. Second, and this is a double edged sword, at best it screams to other men stay the fuck away from me because I won't be easy to fuck with. A lot of times, and I am not sure how big you are to have experienced this, but big guys get targeted for harassment by other men. This shit is particularly common in certain cities, parts of the world, and venues. If you've spent enough time in certain areas I'm sure you've seen smaller drunk guys harass or threaten a big guy to either make themselves feel big or to prove a point.


Building a huge cock on the other hand has many fewer obvious advantages to the outside world, but it still has positives and very few negatives. Even if you have 10 inches (which is around the size most claim Mandingo is and that's why I keep using that number), you aren't going to hang your cock out in the wind as you walk down the street in much of this world. Despite that women can tell. Not exactly, but they get a sense. It is kind of like a guy with a really impressive physique in the winter up North. Yes his body is pretty much entirely covered up, and unless you have seen him in the summer or whatever you can't tell if he is ripped or not, but most people can tell if a guy is big or powerful even when in full winter clothes by his proportions but especially the subcommunications in his movement, walk, and behavior.

This is true to an extent with penis size as well with women. I'm 6'2'' and have approached women while sitting in my car and haven't gotten out. Some of those women legitimately argued with me before I got them out on a date and said I was 5'7'' because of how I appeared. These are called retards, either because they don't care enough, have no frame of reference, or aren't fully paying attention.

Most women with a certain level of experience, and this doesn't mean tons of sexual partners and can even be found in 18 year old girls, can guess which range you fall into in terms of penis size shortly within your initial contact. This is a factor in terms of where they place you in their minds. Having a 10 inch dick isn't and never will be a 100% give him the green light to do whatever he wants with me. Often times it can cause women to reject you or hold out on sex with you.

Many girls with some experience will next a guy that has a huge cock or at best put him in the vacation dick or booty call category. The reason is simple. If he is huge he is more able, all else being equal, to find girls that will fawn over him. This will lead men to be unfaithful and goes back to the power dynamic I was speaking on.

6 inches, cool, with game, a steady life, and career, is generally boyfriend and future hubby material. Yes, 6 inches can be just as likely to pump and dump a girl as 10 inches, but it is easier to control.


I am only barely over 7 inches myself so it isn't like I am 10 inches and trying to bolster my own situation.


6 inches on a guy is ok you won't give me sex, if I have good game and options I will find someone else. 6 inches in a girl's mind is I hope he knows my anatomy, my clit, and I hope to God he enjoys eating pussy. Doesn't mean she will be unhappy or unsatisfied with that size and it is very very possible to have her hooked, but how many 6 inchers are walking around any given city or town on earth?


10 inches on a guy is like oh yeah you have a headache or are holding out sex, ok I'm going to call Maria or Tisha or Kimberly and he will have the pussy wet before I hit her door but only after she licks my nutsack until I say so. 10 inches in a girl's mind is fuck, I told every girl I knew and they all want to "see it" now. These bitches want my boyfriend and/or hubby's cock elbow deep in them. I might be a bitch at times, but I better keep him happy.


That is just the reality of it. I'm not saying a bumbling retard with no money, no life, and no game that has 10 inches will have that lifestyle with women. But a guy with smooth game and at least a decent life with 10 inches has the world of women open to him. The world is his oyster.


Villain, I'm not encouraging you one way or the other. I have nothing to gain really by you agreeing, and actually if you magically end up with 10 inches in a few years that is one more porn star cock walking around swooping up the girls. But don't think penis size is irrelevant and don't buy into that the size doesn't matter unless it is tiny or huge shit.
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I have a big dick (roughly 8 inches), but it did not get me laid in the slightest.

The most is has done for me is hurt biches because they were too tight, and not enjoying it that much.
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Hey guys. I was skeptical at first, but now I see that you've put a lot of thought and research into this topic.

I've got a two inch cock (when fully erect). How much gainz can I realistically achieve?

By the way, I already own some 10LB, 20LB and 30LB weights that I have used to tone my arm muscles. I also have lots of 100LB test fishing line (maybe it will be useful).

How to get started on becoming the man of my dreams?

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Quote: (12-15-2017 08:38 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Hey guys. I was skeptical at first, but now I see that you've put a lot of thought and research into this topic.

I've got a two inch cock (when fully erect). How much gainz can I realistically achieve?

By the way, I already own some 10LB, 20LB and 30LB weights that I have used to tone my arm muscles. I also have lots of 100LB test fishing line (maybe it will be useful).

How to get started on becoming the man of my dreams?

You can probably gain half an inch if you hang 50 pounds off your dick for 5 hours a day consistently over two decades. I suggest you get started.

Honestly though you are in SEA right? I would love to hit my goal in terms of penis size and be able to be location independent and take a stop in SEA at some point. That shit would be epic.
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Quote: (12-13-2017 04:54 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:  

My most recent routine that I stopped because of major life issues was something like this.


What type of major life issues make a man stop tying plastic around his penis or hanging weights from it?

Say you got a new job. Let's say it's at the bank. Why would that make you think " I better stop stretching my penis for an hour a day." Just curious.

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I likely would hurt myself attempting this. The other day, I walked into the change room, and some guy was strutting around with BBC. He was quite proud of myself. Later, I seen some hot blond next to him on the basketball court. White girls lol
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Quote: (12-15-2017 08:38 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Hey guys. I was skeptical at first, but now I see that you've put a lot of thought and research into this topic.

I've got a two inch cock (when fully erect). How much gainz can I realistically achieve?

By the way, I already own some 10LB, 20LB and 30LB weights that I have used to tone my arm muscles. I also have lots of 100LB test fishing line (maybe it will be useful).

How to get started on becoming the man of my dreams?

You're rocking two inches of pain. Don't worry, it's about the motion of the ocean. Work with what you've got, I hear you're about average for Asia.

I've got a different problem. After stretching my schlong over the last few years, I'm now having issues keeping my garden hose dry when I'm taking a deuce. How do I keep my anaconda from making like a water snake?

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