[YoungBlade]

Wait, you're saying a black man with traditional values was happily married with kids and got plenty of pussy on the side?

Looks like RVF has a new idol to aspire to.

[Goldin Boy]

(11-04-2017 07:16 PM)godzilla Wrote:  

I agree with the victimization part but come on dude. Give me an instance where an uneducated sub class overcame Jim Crow type laws to succeed in society. Its never happened.

I think you're onto something here.

[Samseau]

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Destroying anti-miscegenation laws, allowing other American citizens to vote, and putting the spotlight on racism were huge boons for American society. Modern liberalism may be fucked up but it isn't as bad as mass lynchings and aggressive white supremacy.

Mass lynchings? Pretty much only happened in the South in any significant number, not to mention the odds that Whites would go into Black territory looking to lynch someone did not happen often, if at all.

http://www.chesnuttarchive.org/classroom...gstat.html

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From 1882-1968, 4,743 lynchings occurred in the United States.

79% of lynching happened in the South.

Out of the millions of people back then? In just the fucked up Civil War states? Lynching is a boogeyman. The same amount of Blacks get murdered in Chicago over 5 years than did get lynched in the entire USA over 80 years.

So no, your claim that White Supremacy is worse than modern liberalism is empirically false. White supremacy can barely match a single city in a modern welfare hellhole.

I actually wonder if the people who defend the current welfare state have actually spent any time in these neighborhoods? You'll never see more nihilistic, amoral, and spiritually sick people than these areas. They really have nothing to live for, and live each day only in the pursuit of cheap pleasures. The Blacks of last century seemed happier to me in every way by comparison, although I have no time machine to go back and investigate. But they weren't murdering each other at rates that put White Supremacists to shame, I know that much.

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Samseau your Asian ancestry would have condemned you had it not been for the social progress of the 60's.

I've never even so much have felt the slightest of problems from racists (most of whom have been Black in my life) yet the problems of liberalism impact my daily life massively on every level.

My great grandparents came over to America from a country with brown people around 1910, they succeeded just fine. Racism was never an issue for them nor does anyone in my family ever talk about racism from Whites impacting our family in any way. We have had lots of problems with Jews though, as any honest Christians should. And the infamy of Islam lives strong in my family memory as well.

They married within their own culture for about two generations before their grandkids started to intermarry with Americans, but that was no problem at all. Plenty of women to go around as long as the men can work and make good money, which they could back in those days quite easily. My great-grandfather made a small fortune as tailor, then manufacturing hats. My grandfather was extremely successful selling paint. Good luck trying to do that nowadays in liberal welfare free-trade sterile America.

Why is it that a Black man, living in White Supremacy Jim-Crow world of the 1890's still could make a living and find a loyal wife 100x easier than he can today? Were things really that bad back then, or have we not all grown up on Fake News From Jews?

Sure, the races were separated back in the day, but within everyone's respective communities people lived happy and peaceful lives. Men and women loved one another reasonably well and had a busy family life. The danger from the big bad wacists was easily avoided by staying out of the wrong neighborhoods. It was not a big price to pay, and yet the average liberal today acts like it was the greatest evil in the world.

All lies, all bullshit, free oneself and reject all of it.

Godzilla:

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I agree with the victimization part but come on dude. Give me an instance where an uneducated sub class overcame Jim Crow type laws to succeed in society. Its never happened.

It's happened before but not through legal reform. There's nothing new under the sun. For example, the Jews escaped the Egyptians, the Helots eventually overcame the Spartans (as the Thebans invaded), and the slaves of Rome became the Christians of Europe. And their conditions were far worse back then. Helots were kept as slaves for 800 years, for example, and were routinely murdered in annual contests to keep them in fear. Slaves in Rome were forced to fight each other to the death as entertainment.

Slavery has been around forever, and it always ends with the debasement of the master class until they are too weak to keep control. "The meek shall inherit the earth." Slavery is not a sustainable system for a variety of reasons, most of them spiritual.

[Only One Man]

(11-04-2017 12:19 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

One of the files released with the collection on JFK apparently was on Martin Luther King:

http://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/...51026.html

JFK files: FBI documents allege Martin Luther King Jr. had secret lovechild, orgies

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The National Archives published more than 600 new records Friday relating to the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy -- and some addressed civil rights icon Martin Luther King Jr. and his multiple alleged affairs.

The FBI document, titled “Martin Luther King, Jr. A Current Analysis” and dated March 12, 1968, compiled background information on King, including his influences, associates, alleged affairs and more. King was assassinated April 4, 1968.

“The course King chooses to follow at this critical time could have momentous impact on the future of race relations in the United States,” the 20 page document’s introduction reads. “And for that reason this paper has been prepared to give some insight into the nature of the man himself as well as the nature of his views, goals, objectives, tactics and the reasons therefor.”

One of the sections in the document in the section titled “King’s Personal Conduct” mentioned alleged affairs, which were alluded to in the 2014 film “Selma” and an infamous letter from the FBI urging King to commit suicide.

One of the events mentioned in the document are workshops King held in Miami, Florida, in February 1968 with funds from the Ford Foundation to train black ministers in leadership

“One Negro minister in attendance later expressed his disgust with the behind-the-scene drinking, fornication, and homosexuality that went on at the conference,” the document reads. “Several Negro and white prostitutes were brought in from the Miami area. An all night-sex orgy was held with these prostitutes and some of the delegates in attendance.”

“One room had a large table in it which was filled with whiskey. The two Negro prostitutes were paid $50.00 to put on a sex show for the entertainment of the guests. A variety of sex acts deviating from the normal were observed.”

The document continued to say that such occurrences were well known by King’s acquaintances.

“As early as January, 1964, King engaged in another, two-day drunken sex orgy in Washington, D.C. Many of those present engaged in sexual acts, natural as well as unnatural, for the entertainment of onlookers. When one of the females shied away from engaging in an unnatural act, King ... discussed how she was to be taught and initiated in this respect,” the document reads.

“Throughout the ensuing years and until this date King has continued to carry on his sexual aberrations secretly while holding himself out to the public view as a moral leader of religious conviction.”

According to the document, King had a frequent affair with a woman, which may have led to a baby girl being born. The FBI said the sources of the information was “a prominent Negro who is related by law to King’s mistress,” who referred to King repeatedly as a “hypocrite.”

“It was learned in February, 1968, from a very responsible Los Angeles individual in a position to know, that King has been having an illicit love affair with the wife of a prominent Negro dentist in Los Angeles, California, since 1962. He believes King fathered a baby girl born to this woman inasmuch as her husband is allegedly sterile,” the document reads.

“The child resembles King to a great degree and King contributes to the support of this child. He calls this woman every Wednesday and frequently meets her in various cities throughout the country.”

According to the document, the source also said that King had affairs with three other women, including Joan Baez, a folk singer.

“The prominent Negro who furnished the information said he was appalled that a man of King’s low character could cause so much trouble for both Negroes and the Government,” the document reads. “As can be seen from above, it is a fact that King not only regularly indulges in adulterous acts but enjoys the abnormal by engaging in group sexual orgies.”

The document noted an alleged disconnect between King’s actions and messages.

More documents related to JFK’s assassination have yet to be released. Last week, President Donald Trump allowed the release of 2,800 documents but withheld thousands of other documents at the request of U.S. intelligence agencies. The withheld files were placed under a six-month review, and Trump ordered the intelligence agencies to release approved documents throughout the period.

I've always heard rumors about MLK being a major hypocrite and devient, but I never had any proof to support such accusations. These FBI files are extremely damaging to the man's reputation. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the FBI's allegations are true, in fact, there is no real reason to doubt them considering MLK's early life had plenty of girlfriends. Dude was a player, and once he hit max fame the idea he indulged in all kinds of pussy does not seem unrealistic in the slightest.

Kinda hard to take any of his sermons seriously ever again, though. False prophet recognized.

I'm not sure I really understand your point. Are you saying that everything he said and did in regard to helping secure clvil rights for black people is bullshit because he fucked a bunch of women that weren't his wife?

[Scoundrel]

Here is the link to the full report in PDF:

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/...-10133.pdf

The 23-page document mostly concerns King's association with known Communists. The last part is where the claims about his alleged sexual debauchery are made.

The earlier sections seem fairly credible: names are named, and although it isn't always clear how certain information was obtained, at least the authors of the document don't shy away from details. The final section takes on more of a National Enquirer-type tone. King supposedly had an affair (and a child) with a woman who is identified only as "the wife of a prominent Negro dentist in Los Angeles." This is reported on the say-so of "a very responsible Los Angeles individual in a position to know." One wonders why a classified FBI report would not name these people, or provide additional corroborating evidence for such claims.

The one person who is named in this section — Joan Baez — is alive & well. Have the media reached out to her for comment? I can't find any reference to any attempt to obtain a statement from her.

[Fortis]

This comes across as feminist shaming language veiled in personal attacks.

Roosh? He flew around the world to fuck women! how disrespectful! Time to stop reading RVF! Anything that comes from Roosh is now suspect because I have this one arbitrary fact about him!

Trump grabs women by the pussy. We better stop listening to this guy despite the fact that he built a billion dollar empire and trolls the fuck out of the opposition with 0 fucks.

MLK? Everything he did is invalid because he got some side pussy!

These guys should have all manned up and stayed home and worked to impress samseau's impossibly high moral requirements instead of working to change the world.

[Only One Man]

Hating Jim Crow racism and hating the current welfare state can be done simultaneously.

[Samseau]

(11-04-2017 10:19 PM)Fortis Wrote:  



This comes across as feminist shaming language veiled in personal attacks.

Roosh? He flew around the world to fuck women! how disrespectful! Time to stop reading RVF! Anything that comes from Roosh is now suspect because I have this one arbitrary fact about him!

Trump grabs women by the pussy. We better stop listening to this guy despite the fact that he built a billion dollar empire and trolls the fuck out of the opposition with 0 fucks.

MLK? Everything he did is invalid because he got some side pussy!

These guys should have all manned up and stayed home and worked to impress samseau's impossibly high moral requirements instead of working to change the world.

Neither Roosh nor Trump pretended to be anything they weren't. MLK was walking around a preacher and holy man, yet was a serial adulterer and whoremonger? That sort of hypocrisy is absolutely damning, I can't take anything he says seriously. Why would you take advice from a man who obviously doesn't believe in his own words? He's no preacher, just a man using God for his own selfish ends. Disgusting.

How was MLK any different than the many corrupt Popes and Bishops

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I'm not sure I really understand your point. Are you saying that everything he said and did in regard to helping secure clvil rights for black people is bullshit because he fucked a bunch of women that weren't his wife?

The "rights" he secured haven't turned out to be much good for the Blacks, now have they? Blacks are still at the bottom, suffering and not being able to figure out why, by just about every national metric. On top of that, the blind obedience Blacks have for the Dems have resulted in a toxic identity politics that has crippled the entire nation. MLK is a classic example of people being led astray by a false prophet.

[Agastya]

(11-04-2017 10:25 PM)Only One Man Wrote:  

Hating Jim Crow racism and hating the current welfare state can be done simultaneously.

This, especially since they achieve more or less the same thing.

Jim Crow racism subjected blacks to legal apartheid and dehumanization, and frequent acts of racist terror by whites.

The welfare state destroys the black family, subjects blacks to acts of gang terror by other blacks, attacks the black community's relationship with the police, and keeps large numbers of them in the under class of society.

Before the civil rights period (and for a little bit after) blacks enjoyed better family structures, but they were also slaughtered on the basis of their race, and utterly precluded from doing anything other than menial work. The "making a living" that Samseau talks about involved working as someone's sharecropper, being denied the right to vote, and living in fear of getting lynched or tortured if you looked at a white woman the wrong way.

Both systems were and are garbage, but at least the ceiling has been raised significantly for the black community.

Black guys like TravelerKai or Atlanta Man wouldn't have had the right to be anything more than oppressed indentured servants --

And our man Samseau is trying to argue that the civil rights movement was a net negative? Get the fuck outta here. I think there are a couple million black poeple who would strongly disagree with that statement.

I will agree that the Democrats have basically puppetized blacks and continue failing them over and over again, but everyone already knew that.

[Sourcecode]

In this thread...Mr. Samseau tries his best to race troll and appears to be failing.

[Fresh Prince]

Samseau, were you bullied by a black kid when you were a kid?

[Wealth of Spirit]

Honestly, this situation is something. On one end, you have Samseau and people like him that say men of the cloth shouldn't be preaching values of truth and integrity when they themselves are engaging in acts that would make others question their moral fortitude. The other camp sees it as "well, he was a famous man" and women threw themselves at him. Nature will take its course.

My position is one where I can't judge the man based on his actions, because who knows what I would've done in his shoes. Bill Burr had a joke awhile back about this sort of topic, where he criticized those who tried to tarnish Arnold Schwarzenegger for banging his maid. In my case, I live in a country where getting laid on the regular by different lizards is not difficult at all. Yet, I have a main chick that requires a low level of game to keep in line. Been together for awhile now, and so far there haven't been any noticeable red flags. The only thing is that she can't take it all during sex, so because of this, she tries to make it up in other ways to keep me around. Hence the reason why I ventured for some side action.

Here's where I'm conflicted. Here, I have a, dare I say it, rather "good girl", that checks off many of the red pill requirements, but yet I still cheated (wrote my post in the I-Just-Had-Sex thread). Plus, as I continue to improve my diet, lifting, looks, money, game, etc, it's inevitable that I'll be getting access to more chicks. Which course of action is the best one? The Stoic, virtuous approach thats preaches character, morality and, is easy on the conscience, or the just let nature take its course and bang strange if and when the opportunity presents itself? How many of us can maintain a sense of virtue when scores of attractive women want to jump your bones?

I'm not agreeing that MLK should've done those things, nor does it take away from what he did for Civil Rights. I simply can't judge the man for what he's done if I, in his same circumstances, would most likely do the same thing or worse.

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. - John 8:7 KJV

[fenetre]

Well Samseau has an impossible task.

He’s trying to convince an audience of men who believe they see the world for what it is. These men know better.

These red-pilled men see feminism for what it is: a jewish/communist attack mechanism to destroy the relations that men and women have developed so as to live, create and build together, without constant conflict and mistrust.

They see the feminist brainwashing in their childhood, schooling, the media, the government.

Yet they’re totally blind to another jewish/communist attack mechanism against Christian civilisation. The ideology of anti-racism is just another communist attempt to undermine the systems of living that Western nations devleoped to allow for the most peaceful race co-existence possible.

On what the fuck does everyone base their understanding of historic race relations and reality?

Movies (produced by Jews)
Their schooling (controlled by the left)
The media (controlled by Jews)

That’s it. How does anybody know what they’re talking about?

The red-pilled men counter the feminists by trying to explain that their historical revisionism is bullshit, that life was so much better for women back then. There was meaning, real love and respect.

But wait, look at how the modern woman can travel anywhere, fuck anyone, buy anything, disfugure herself with tattoos, mutilate her body with birth control. What a great swap. Damn she has really gained from the liberation from oppressive patriarchy.

And when someone like samseau tries to do the same with regard to race, you get the emotional Pavlovian response. All fucking brainwashed. The irony of it all.

Read Sowell, Williams, Peterson and you’ll see that they share the idea that life was objectively better for blacks under “oppressive” laws.

But we can’t let anything get in the way of our manosphere deity. GETTING PUSSY.

[fenetre]

(11-05-2017 12:07 AM)Wealth of Spirit Wrote:  

Honestly, this situation is something. On one end, you have Samseau and people like him that say men of the cloth shouldn't be preaching values of truth and integrity when they themselves are engaging in acts that would make others question their moral fortitude. The other camp sees it as "well, he was a famous man" and women threw themselves at him. Nature will take its course.

My position is one where I can't judge the man based on his actions, because who knows what I would've done in his shoes. Bill Burr had a joke awhile back about this sort of topic, where he criticized those who tried to tarnish Arnold Schwarzenegger for banging his maid. In my case, I live in a country where getting laid on the regular by different lizards is not difficult at all. Yet, I have a main chick that requires a low level of game to keep in line. Been together for awhile now, and so far there haven't been any noticeable red flags. The only thing is that she can't take it all during sex, so because of this, she tries to make it up in other ways to keep me around. Hence the reason why I ventured for some side action.

Here's where I'm conflicted. Here, I have a, dare I say it, rather "good girl", that checks off many of the red pill requirements, but yet I still cheated (wrote my post in the I-Just-Had-Sex thread). Plus, as I continue to improve my diet, lifting, looks, money, game, etc, it's inevitable that I'll be getting access to more chicks. Which course of action is the best one? The Stoic, virtuous approach thats preaches character, morality and, is easy on the conscience, or the just let nature take its course and bang strange if and when the opportunity presents itself? How many of us can maintain a sense of virtue when scores of attractive women want to jump your bones?

I'm not agreeing that MLK should've done those things, nor does it take away from what he did for Civil Rights. I simply can't judge the man for what he's done if I, in his same circumstances, would most likely do the same thing or worse.

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. - John 8:7 KJV

This is the difference right here.

Of course so many here have no problem with King’s hypocrisy. If they did, it would mean that they stood for something bigger than what they could personally gain in the same situation. Something more than habitually fulfilling their base masculine impulses, and their pride and vanity.

This is the moral relativism that is destroying our civilisation. Nothing really matters and everything goes. “Sure I’d do it in his situation too, so I can’t judge him.”

So few stand for anything anymore because to do so would get in the way of their pleasure or their moving closer to God status.

And so we slip inch by inch deeper into the abyss. Like the turkeys the day before Thanksgiving: every day of their lives has been wonderful and abundant up until now - why should tomorrow be any different?

[Repo]

"On what the fuck does everyone base their understanding of historic race relations and reality?

Movies (produced by Jews)
Their schooling (controlled by the left)
The media (controlled by Jews)"

This might blow your brain then, but there are people alive today who actually knew people who were enslaved. It wasn't as far back as you think.

[godzilla]

(11-04-2017 09:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

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Destroying anti-miscegenation laws, allowing other American citizens to vote, and putting the spotlight on racism were huge boons for American society. Modern liberalism may be fucked up but it isn't as bad as mass lynchings and aggressive white supremacy.

Mass lynchings? Pretty much only happened in the South in any significant number, not to mention the odds that Whites would go into Black territory looking to lynch someone did not happen often, if at all.

http://www.chesnuttarchive.org/classroom...gstat.html

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From 1882-1968, 4,743 lynchings occurred in the United States.

79% of lynching happened in the South.

Out of the millions of people back then? In just the fucked up Civil War states? Lynching is a boogeyman. The same amount of Blacks get murdered in Chicago over 5 years than did get lynched in the entire USA over 80 years.

So no, your claim that White Supremacy is worse than modern liberalism is empirically false. White supremacy can barely match a single city in a modern welfare hellhole.

I actually wonder if the people who defend the current welfare state have actually spent any time in these neighborhoods? You'll never see more nihilistic, amoral, and spiritually sick people than these areas. They really have nothing to live for, and live each day only in the pursuit of cheap pleasures. The Blacks of last century seemed happier to me in every way by comparison, although I have no time machine to go back and investigate. But they weren't murdering each other at rates that put White Supremacists to shame, I know that much.

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Samseau your Asian ancestry would have condemned you had it not been for the social progress of the 60's.

I've never even so much have felt the slightest of problems from racists (most of whom have been Black in my life) yet the problems of liberalism impact my daily life massively on every level.

My great grandparents came over to America from a country with brown people around 1910, they succeeded just fine. Racism was never an issue for them nor does anyone in my family ever talk about racism from Whites impacting our family in any way. We have had lots of problems with Jews though, as any honest Christians should. And the infamy of Islam lives strong in my family memory as well.

They married within their own culture for about two generations before their grandkids started to intermarry with Americans, but that was no problem at all. Plenty of women to go around as long as the men can work and make good money, which they could back in those days quite easily. My great-grandfather made a small fortune as tailor, then manufacturing hats. My grandfather was extremely successful selling paint. Good luck trying to do that nowadays in liberal welfare free-trade sterile America.

Why is it that a Black man, living in White Supremacy Jim-Crow world of the 1890's still could make a living and find a loyal wife 100x easier than he can today? Were things really that bad back then, or have we not all grown up on Fake News From Jews?

Sure, the races were separated back in the day, but within everyone's respective communities people lived happy and peaceful lives. Men and women loved one another reasonably well and had a busy family life. The danger from the big bad wacists was easily avoided by staying out of the wrong neighborhoods. It was not a big price to pay, and yet the average liberal today acts like it was the greatest evil in the world.

All lies, all bullshit, free oneself and reject all of it.

Godzilla:

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I agree with the victimization part but come on dude. Give me an instance where an uneducated sub class overcame Jim Crow type laws to succeed in society. Its never happened.

It's happened before but not through legal reform. There's nothing new under the sun. For example, the Jews escaped the Egyptians, the Helots eventually overcame the Spartans (as the Thebans invaded), and the slaves of Rome became the Christians of Europe. And their conditions were far worse back then. Helots were kept as slaves for 800 years, for example, and were routinely murdered in annual contests to keep them in fear. Slaves in Rome were forced to fight each other to the death as entertainment.

Slavery has been around forever, and it always ends with the debasement of the master class until they are too weak to keep control. "The meek shall inherit the earth." Slavery is not a sustainable system for a variety of reasons, most of them spiritual.

No actually its never happened. All those people you mentioned were highly educated. Blacks had no expose to white culture other then slavery. Once manufacturing went abroad there is no way they could succeed in a highIQ economy. Whether blacks should feel like victims is not really the question. They should of course stop feeling sorry for themselves and try to succeed. But what I dont understand is how people here expect a group of people to come from slavery and oppression in the south, and somehow theyre are not suppose to feel like victims. This is just a result of what happened. This is a natural.

Btw since you mentioned you know who(the jews) ..many of them still think they're víctims

[Samseau]

(11-05-2017 12:07 AM)Wealth of Spirit Wrote:  

Honestly, this situation is something. On one end, you have Samseau and people like him that say men of the cloth shouldn't be preaching values of truth and integrity when they themselves are engaging in acts that would make others question their moral fortitude. The other camp sees it as "well, he was a famous man" and women threw themselves at him. Nature will take its course.

My position is one where I can't judge the man based on his actions, because who knows what I would've done in his shoes. Bill Burr had a joke awhile back about this sort of topic, where he criticized those who tried to tarnish Arnold Schwarzenegger for banging his maid. In my case, I live in a country where getting laid on the regular by different lizards is not difficult at all. Yet, I have a main chick that requires a low level of game to keep in line. Been together for awhile now, and so far there haven't been any noticeable red flags. The only thing is that she can't take it all during sex, so because of this, she tries to make it up in other ways to keep me around. Hence the reason why I ventured for some side action.

Here's where I'm conflicted. Here, I have a, dare I say it, rather "good girl", that checks off many of the red pill requirements, but yet I still cheated (wrote my post in the I-Just-Had-Sex thread). Plus, as I continue to improve my diet, lifting, looks, money, game, etc, it's inevitable that I'll be getting access to more chicks. Which course of action is the best one? The Stoic, virtuous approach thats preaches character, morality and, is easy on the conscience, or the just let nature take its course and bang strange if and when the opportunity presents itself? How many of us can maintain a sense of virtue when scores of attractive women want to jump your bones?

I'm not agreeing that MLK should've done those things, nor does it take away from what he did for Civil Rights. I simply can't judge the man for what he's done if I, in his same circumstances, would most likely do the same thing or worse.

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. - John 8:7 KJV

First of all, you do not seem married, so your cheating isn't as serious. If you were to get married then I'd say to come clean with your wife before marriage and tell her you need to bang girls with deeper pussies, or just become a class A scumbag that is great at lying. I won't judge you if you choose the lying route because often girls cannot handle the truth. I would judge you if you bang other men's wives though, because not only do your harm your wife but you also harm other men.

But, second, if you were to become a preacher, claim you have the word and mandate of God, claim you know what's best for everyone, and then contradict your word when no one is looking you can bet your ass I'll judge. And so would any other man with his head screwed on right. Which is why MLK being a hypocrite is such a big deal.

[godzilla]

"A man got to have a code" -(omar or bunk don't remember)

[Samseau]

Godzilla:

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No actually its never happened. All those people you mentioned were highly educated.

You're in denial. None of those groups of slaves I mentioned to you were literate in any significant capacity. Easy to research this and verify.

As for there being no manufacturing jobs for Blacks, you can blame that on mass immigration and "free trade" (i.e. the modern slave trade).

Agastya:

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Before the civil rights period (and for a little bit after) blacks enjoyed better family structures, but they were also slaughtered on the basis of their race, and utterly precluded from doing anything other than menial work. The "making a living" that Samseau talks about involved working as someone's sharecropper, being denied the right to vote, and living in fear of getting lynched or tortured if you looked at a white woman the wrong way.

"slaughtered" How about providing some numbers instead of imaging things? I see Blacks getting slaughtered today, no joke, actual war zones levels of homicide, nothing like that has ever existed in America's past. Nothing even came remotely close.

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And our man Samseau is trying to argue that the civil rights movement was a net negative? Get the fuck outta here. I think there are a couple million black poeple who would strongly disagree with that statement.

If we could somehow bring some Blacks out of the past from 1890 and into this modern world where they could watch their great-granddaughters get banged out by dozens of men and father 5 kids from 4 different fathers, I'd be willing to bet that those Blacks would choose to go back to 1890.

The Civil Rights movement, while I support equal treatment under the law for all men, was indeed a net negative because it was hijacked as a way to bring in degeneracy.

It was the Republicans who voted for most of the Civil Rights, and ended slavery, and yet Blacks vote for the Dems. Why? Because MLK told them they needed those gibs before he was assassinated, and the Dems decided after losing the Civil Rights issue to the Republicans to swing from opposing Black rights to the complete other extreme of granting special privileges and rights to Blacks. It is amazing and pathetic that Blacks, after having been beaten down by the Dems for nearly a century, quickly changed their tune once the purse strings opened up.

The fact that the Blacks were so quick to change their vote once the gibs started to flow show that it was never about Civil Rights. Virtually all of the Civil Rights Blacks have today came from NORTHERN Republicans. The Southern Slave Democrats opposed it every step of the way up until they couldn't and pulled a 180 reversal, as a means of beating the Republicans at their own game.

Again, the idea that Blacks have been better off since the Civil Rights movement shows how brainwashed the average Black is. Blacks have been indoctrinated to believe the only things that matter are "muh Civil Rights." Meanwhile their community and women are destroyed. Blacks have completely forgotten the Civil Rights movement only succeeded because of Northern White Republicans, and instead give credit to the charlatan MLK and Dems. MLK was a false prophet hypocrite who rode the wave to get cash and pussy, and fucked his people over in the process.

I grew up admiring MLK as well, but our education was a joke. Knowing the complete picture now this seems the most accurate conclusion.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(11-04-2017 08:47 PM)Agastya Wrote:  

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I remember reading a lot about how the FBI flooded black communities with crack cocaine, infiltrated and undercut the Black Panthers when the Panthers tried to organize black communities and provide them with free education/food.
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Wasn't that the CIA?

I'm pretty sure it's the CIA's job to polarise and destabilise America.

The job of the FBI is to ignore whatever the CIA is doing.

Operation Pegasus IIRC.

As for the civil rights movement being a net gain/loss. My take is that prior to it, blacks were kept in a box and held at waist height. The civil rights movement opened top of the box as well as the bottom. Some went higher than they otherwise might have. Some went lower. But what does it matter which way they went? An America without the right to succeed or fail on your own merits is no America at all.

[americanpituco]

Freud would argue King only rose to prominence for these reasons.

[fenetre]

(11-04-2017 10:39 PM)Agastya Wrote:  

(11-04-2017 10:25 PM)Only One Man Wrote:  

Hating Jim Crow racism and hating the current welfare state can be done simultaneously.

And our man Samseau is trying to argue that the civil rights movement was a net negative? Get the fuck outta here. I think there are a couple million black poeple who would strongly disagree with that statement.

That’s a bit rich coming from you man. I see when you’re not mixing up the history of famous mud huts, or confusing the FBI with the CIA, you’re disrespecting an honourable senior forum member.

And how interesting it is that you expect black forum members to share your opinion presumably because they are black, and not whether or not what you’re saying is true.

This forum purports to be about discerning the truth of things in life.

Yet some discussions are deemed too uncomfortable to be able to be discussed rationally.

It’s the same thing as in my last post. People are more concerned with social ostracism (i.e. loss of popularity) than getting at the truth.

And I get that. It’s a real, genuine fear. But it should have no place in a so-called red-pill forum.

I think I’m going to unplug from the forum for a while. Feeling jaded of late. And my posts increasingly reflect a sense of anger rather than anything constructive. It’s a cool day for once here in Bangkok.

[Kona]

(11-04-2017 12:19 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

One of the events mentioned in the document are workshops King held in Miami, Florida, in February 1968 with funds from the Ford Foundation to train black ministers in leadership

“One Negro minister in attendance later expressed his disgust with the behind-the-scene drinking, fornication, and homosexuality that went on at the conference,” the document reads. “Several Negro and white prostitutes were brought in from the Miami area. An all night-sex orgy was held with these prostitutes and some of the delegates in attendance.”

“One room had a large table in it which was filled with whiskey. The two Negro prostitutes were paid $50.00 to put on a sex show for the entertainment of the guests. A variety of sex acts deviating from the normal were observed.”

Come on Samseau. You're believing j. Edgar hoover and the FBI over Martin Luther King?

So Trump better be impeached asap, because the FBI says he did some bad shit right?

The FBI had a big ole push to mess with MLK that is undeniable. The quote above about the orgy, does that really seem likely? Is it more likely the FBI made that up to mess with MLK's Ford Foundation money?

Regardless of your civil rights opinion, one thing that has advanced since the days of Martin Luther King is some people's ability to see through bullshit propaganda. I believe this is called the red pill movement. From what I hear, the king of bullshit propaganda was j. Edgar hoover.

So samseau, before you swear off MLK as a hypocrite, maybe take a deep breath. If not, you better be at work the third Monday in January.

Aloha!

[Buck Wild]

(11-05-2017 01:32 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(11-04-2017 08:47 PM)Agastya Wrote:  

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I remember reading a lot about how the FBI flooded black communities with crack cocaine, infiltrated and undercut the Black Panthers when the Panthers tried to organize black communities and provide them with free education/food.
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Wasn't that the CIA?

I'm pretty sure it's the CIA's job to polarise and destabilise America.

The job of the FBI is to ignore whatever the CIA is doing.

Operation Pegasus IIRC.

As for the civil rights movement being a net gain/loss. My take is that prior to it, blacks were kept in a box and held at waist height. The civil rights movement opened top of the box as well as the bottom. Some went higher than they otherwise might have. Some went lower. But what does it matter which way they went? An America without the right to succeed or fail on your own merits is no America at all.

This. This is exactly where I stand on it. America post-1970 was an America where black people had the right to succeed or fail on the their own merits more than they ever had before. Maybe not exactly equal to white people along every relevant vector, but if you compare our status and socioeconomic mobility with that of ethnic minorities in other powerful empires/nations throughout history I believe we are doing quite well.

Before MLK you could not honestly say this and we have him to thank in large measure.

[Razor Beast]

(11-04-2017 10:19 PM)Fortis Wrote:  



This comes across as feminist shaming language veiled in personal attacks.

Roosh? He flew around the world to fuck women! how disrespectful! Time to stop reading RVF! Anything that comes from Roosh is now suspect because I have this one arbitrary fact about him!

Trump grabs women by the pussy. We better stop listening to this guy despite the fact that he built a billion dollar empire and trolls the fuck out of the opposition with 0 fucks.

MLK? Everything he did is invalid because he got some side pussy!

These guys should have all manned up and stayed home and worked to impress samseau's impossibly high moral requirements instead of working to change the world.

You're completely missing the point. He can live his life however he wants. The issue is with a man who lives that lifestyle taking a moral high ground when it comes to things like religion and preaching the word of God. Doesn't make any difference if he's black, white, hispanic, asian, etc. But I suspect many will experience cognitive dissonance with these revelations of his true character because he happened to be a black man who was put on a pedestal by his community. The fact that people are so willing to look the other way regarding his improprieties for a supposed man of moral integrity and character is really telling of the state that the black community is in right now. It is in shambles and in need of men with character, moral integrity, and a desire to lead and take ownership in strengthening their communities.