[Incubus]

Women are very aware of their beauty.
Beauty is their self value...they use it daily to compare it to the media machine

Back maybe 20 years ago, a woman knew her beauty may be fading but she had other attributes and life wasn't over

Today is the beauty age coupled with the youth culture

At what age now do girls/woman give up? That there is no future for themselves

20 years ago a girl didn't have to make a judgement call if she was older that the 35 year old guy would give up Angry Birds for her. Today it's clear he won't

A 20-ish chick wakes up..no make up on and looks into the mirror...puffy face....dry lips..tired eyes,,, hair flat. She see a gut happening...beginnings of saddle bags..tit wrinkles or sag...cellulite on legs (the cheese formation)...flabbier ass.....to her she's done or finished for life

I'll go further...a 18 yr old chick see's ZERO future for herself gets fat... tatt'd and pierced up a small dog and checks out.....long before the old days when a chick would become a cat lady in her mid 30's

I'm 99 percent sure if a guy went up to a 20 year old female hippo and said " hey I'll give you everything you want" he'd still be told to fuck off and to leave her alone (to die a 40 year slow death)

Thoughts on western female cultural suicide?

[RedBeanWarrior]

[General Stalin]

I don't know what I just read

[Vladimir Poontang]

This thread could have potential, but it's not really there yet.

[Remington]

I'm a little lost...

[questor70]

Closest translation seems to be: at what age do women realize they've hit the wall and their prospects are dim and they witch from AF to BB?

Assuming she hasn't had kids yet, late 30s when the biological clock starts ticking.

Are some women realizing they've hit the wall earlier due to living la vida loca and applying too much body modification? I guess so. But once you've gone too far down that path the damage is done (see Lindsay Lohan).

[Noir]

Girls ain't giving up, they just ain't giving it up to you.

This is the oldest tale around.

Pareto principle, 80/20. 20% of guys fucking 80% of girls.

Tyler from RSD and the 'secret society'.

If you think they have given up, you're not the one.

Girls will always find a partner, it's supply and demand.

[Incubus]

Yes the TITLE says it all, I tried as best I could to define what I have been musing over.
Last week I got off a plane from the EE, perhaps that says it all (post travel affliction disorder)
But I have arrived back before without getting PTAD (or very mild case of it)

I find myself looking at the women here and thinking to myself what the fuck is wrong with you? Have you given up? (finding a man, working on oneself, trying to be a better person, etc)

I wanted to put a name to the "disease" so I can work with it.

I don't want to look at a chick with blue hair and a bull ring and think she's got potential.
I want the message she is sending to me to be received... which is back off I've checked out

To me...women are "checking out" earlier and earlier in age.

I go to fitness clubs in EE usually there is 40/60 girls and guys
I was shocked when I came back to my regular club here in town (city of half a million people) and over the course of a week I've only seen 1 or 2 girls at any time. So where are they? University is in...there use to be plenty of students that would be there this time of year. (nope)

The streets are full of fat young chick or chicks on there way to being fat
Tattoo's everywhere and piercings with shit hair styles
Noses stuck to cellphones

Donut shops have lineups of women gorfing down donuts and crap

Even the bar sausage fest is smaller and drying up. (not even 5's for guys..lmao)

I see many posts here lately on "sluts" why wouldn't a chick that's given up on herself just fuck anyone or anything.

The name for this is female cultural suicide. I coined it for myself to deal with it, and work with it and not make excuses for it and be wary of it.

I think it's something to be explored, I don't have all the answers, I also think this has a little to do with feminism, social media and hollywood

Hope I cleared up some questions (probably not)

[Noir]

Checking out =/= attention seeking

When they are told that they are a special snowflake their whole life but remain copy/paste with every other woman around, it's natural for them to lash out and dye their hair, change their behaviour, anything to stand out.

They are suffering and this is evident in their appearance, behaviour and disposition as bitter women.

This behaviour is being encouraged by cucks all around and around you, cucknadians busy pushing the special snowflake agenda.

The grand irony of 'we are equal' yet 'we are different and special'.

Cognitive dissonance and reinforcement of poor decisions have led to this.

Put yourself in another environment or start hanging out with different circles.

If I were a hot woman, I know that I am public enemy #1 of the women you describe. Logic dictates I would keep to myself or stay the fuck away from these chicks and their watering holes.

Go fishing elsewhere.

It's really easy to complain but hard to man the fuck up and make your situation work for you.

If you can't or it's not worth it, then that's fine too but do something about it and move elsewhere if this is crippling you to the point you cannot compose a coherent argument.

Be a doer, not a victim.

Tune your radar to ignore all that is unattractive and doesn't represent what you stand for.

The causes are right under your nose.

Off the top of my head, incoming mental gymnastics:

Technology, social media (I posted about the stock market effect of this), fat acceptance, rise of porn to corner sexuality into a porn-fairytale scenario instead of reality, confusing men into thinking attraction is not visual or related to feminine mannerism, fucking with the endocrinal levels of both sexes, double standards for acceptable behaviour, designating feminists as a protected species, pushing sex as a non-sexual thing (transactional), letting guys believe that a pussy should be held hostage as a reward, encouraging terms like fuccbois to be thrown around, conflating male and female polarization (sexual), pushing LGBT in every media avenue possible, punishing non-conformist behaviour in work and social places, convincing guys who don't know better that this is normal, not punishing kids for fucking up thus screwing up consequences of decision making and moral codes and framing male/female relationships as a zero-sum game instead of a team-sport.

Women ain't checking out. They are screaming for help but they wouldn't know what help looks like if it ejaculated on their face. They are receiving attention, mistaking that for help and going on this false positive reinforcement pattern. Worst of all, there is a disease in society that it's wrong to be wrong soo good luck with their egos.

[Samseau]

The OP isn't a good writer, but what he's trying to ask is why are women today destroying themselves despite having access to more than any other woman in recorded in history? They have everything, and yet destroy themselves on food, sex, or drugs in record numbers to the point that birth rates are negative.

Roosh wrote a great essay about this long ago, called the United States of Broken Women:

http://www.rooshv.com/united-states-of-broken-women

[Incubus]

I'd like to add and also say I understand the angst guys have over their "women"

Cultural Suicide is already happening in Japan. It's not that the women hate men it's just that they aren't interested.

Canada I just read today is upping the number of immigrants by 15 percent (over 300000) for a small country population wise thats huge. Why?

Let's face realities the women around are in a different place mentally and there's a million reasons why, But a guy has to know the rules of the social game going forward.

I don't hear anymore "sallys 30 and hard up for a man"...nor do I hear "where are all the good men"...nor "my dream is a house in the burbs"

I see indifference on the street call it apathy and it's getting to a younger generation of women than the past

The other point is or more of an analogy for the above "fishing hole" I hump my ass around this fishing hole but I don't want to have only carp to catch and one day regret eating that carp and getting sick from it.
I want to know there is fine tasty trout to be caught.
Am I hardup enough to eat carp? Should I roll the dice on carp? Why is carp the only fish available? I remember trout and trout ain't carp no matter how much I want it to be.

Chicks have given up (even the ugly ones)...time for plan B

[jselysianeagle]

(11-02-2017 10:38 AM)Noir Wrote:  

Girls ain't giving up, they just ain't giving it up to you.

This is the oldest tale around.

Pareto principle, 80/20. 20% of guys fucking 80% of girls.

Tyler from RSD and the 'secret society'.

If you think they have given up, you're not the one.

Girls will always find a partner, it's supply and demand.

Nailed it.

Shit, even those women you'd think are "post-wall", you can be almost certain are getting dicked by guys of their choosing at a time of their choosing. Sure, their prospects might not be as stellar as back when they were 21, but then we all know that a) the thirst is real, and b) plenty of guys won't turn away easy sexy, even when they know they can do better.

[RatInTheWoods]

They are not making any effort and giving up, because life is to easy and no effort is required.

They get dick, cash and prizes for being fat, obnoxious, lazy and cunty.

Thirst and programming still has men lining up to treat them like princesses.

We live in a Gynocentric society, they have won.

[Incubus]

@RatinThe Woods I wouldn't call it "women giving up" because that is a conscious decision although some women do.

This is how I see it:

I put a lump of butter on a dish
No matter how I implore it to notice me or acknowledge me or try to make it understand how good I am.
It's still a lump of butter.

Lump of butter is the place a lot of women are going, they don't mean to offend the males they are not making any statements they are just closing the door on themselves.

Actually a lot of women are Pre Marking themselves as cultural suicides by letting themselves go or mutilating themselves or drawing pictures on themselves. This is happening to younger and younger women and at a faster rate

Today's chick has maybe 2 real friends a smartphone a small dog a cat, social welfare money or student loans.... the day she gets bored and wants a kid there's sperm for a baby at the bar down the street.

[MaceTyrell]

Girls, the feminist manifesto brainchild of Lena Dunham, ends with one of her flings ending with her getting pregnant, and she decided to keep the child and raise it herself (helped of course by her parents). Like the rest of her horrible decisions over the course of the show, she hamstered her way into thinking that it was actually a good thing, and that her life was just gravy.

I found that to be prescient (and the show in general is a great primer on millennial woman behavior). There will be no day of reckoning for these women, there will be no admission of guilt or wrongdoing. The more we harp on it, the more frustrated we shall become.

[BlackFriar]

Just take a look at all of the 250+ lbs "models" on Instagram. I saw one girl that had to weigh over 260, with her face to the wall....modeling her fat fucking ass in pink and black yoga pants. I actually felt sick. I wrote her and tried to fat shame her. Then she tried to
respond with saying I hope I go to a good psychologist to sort out my anger and aggression issues from childhood. So, like a dipshit, I wrote the whale for about thirty minutes. This bitch has no shame at all. Just like all of the other ones. There is a kind of inconceivable red pill rage, when you first try to fathom wtf is going on here? But you will not change them. They have no shame or real self value. They have a line of dick, waiting to pump them. Fuck it. Just learn to filter them out and carry on with your own life and pursuits.

[MaceTyrell]

http://instagram.com/tess.daly

A female IG model, in a wheelchair, looks like she has Down syndrome, and she has 106k followers. Bet you believe she has thirsty men DMing her.

Now THIS is indicative of how good women have it in 2017.

[EndsExpect]

(11-01-2017 11:27 PM)Incubus Wrote:  

Women are very aware of their beauty.
Beauty is their self value...they use it daily to compare it to the media machine
I'll go further...a 18 yr old chick see's ZERO future for herself gets fat... tatt'd and pierced up a small dog and checks out.....long before the old days when a chick would become a cat lady in her mid 30's
I'm 99 percent sure if a guy went up to a 20 year old female hippo and said " hey I'll give you everything you want" he'd still be told to fuck off and to leave her alone (to die a 40 year slow death)
Thoughts on western female cultural suicide?

This all comes down to the laws we have. In 1930 if a woman wanted a good life she had to find a good husband. In 2017 this simply is not the case anymore. It's not so much about women in the workplace, because most of them are not driven or that career oriented. It has to do with social safety nets and divorce laws.

End all child support. End welfare benefits for single moms. End no fault divorce. End alimony. Make it so that women leave the marriage with only what they came into it with. These legal changes would completely turn things around.

[questor70]

(11-05-2017 11:26 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

End all child support. End welfare benefits for single moms. End no fault divorce. End alimony. Make it so that women leave the marriage with only what they came into it with. These legal changes would completely turn things around.

Now enact all those changes in laws when women are slightly over 50% of the population. Women will not vote against their self-interests.

[EndsExpect]

(11-05-2017 01:45 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

Now enact all those changes in laws when women are slightly over 50% of the population. Women will not vote against their self-interests.

Too true. I just wanted to point out though that women's behavior is strongly dictated by the political situation within the West. Women actually vote more frequently than men. Had our forefathers actually thought this through... we should never have allowed them the vote. Now it would take a military intervention and a new constitution to resolve the issue.

Just to further my point that this is a governmental rules issue... read this article about Female Sex Tourists in Kenya. You will see that many of these women are spending their Divorce $$$ for male prostitutes. Also... there are younger ones who are beastly fat... so fat that even immigrants in the UK won't fuck them. They fly out to Kenya and get knocked up... but they go back to the UK to have the baby and collect benefits!!!

https://www.sde.co.ke/article/2001252790...-local-men

[Incubus]

Yeah what a statement on women. Kenya must be new because old bags have been flying to Jamaica and Cuba trolling for young dicks for years. Jamaica has "beach boys waiting for the planes to land. Cuba is arresting all "the boys" waiting for the cruise ships and planes to land...with old bags.

I feel good about men doing it because we go world wide yes some is sex tourism but a lot is for quality women

as opposed to women who tend to discriminate on cultures (asia...uhm too smart for them?) and being absolute swines for 1) uneducated 2) young 3)poor men (yeah they ain't complaining...lmao)

Older guys gave up on these old bags because they never improved themselves, matured or became interesting or classy with age...they stayed the same stupid bitch as they were in there 20's...to bad.

And it has/will get worse with the latest crop of girls....not a sharp knife in the drawer

[EndsExpect]

(11-05-2017 09:24 PM)Incubus Wrote:  

Yeah what a statement on women. Kenya must be new because old bags have been flying to Jamaica and Cuba trolling for young dicks for years. Jamaica has "beach boys waiting for the planes to land. Cuba is arresting all "the boys" waiting for the cruise ships and planes to land...with old bags.
I feel good about men doing it because we go world wide yes some is sex tourism but a lot is for quality women
as opposed to women who tend to discriminate on cultures (asia...uhm too smart for them?) and being absolute swines for 1) uneducated 2) young 3)poor men (yeah they ain't complaining...lmao)
Older guys gave up on these old bags because they never improved themselves, matured or became interesting or classy with age...they stayed the same stupid bitch as they were in there 20's...to bad.
And it has/will get worse with the latest crop of girls....not a sharp knife in the drawer

Let's be honest. They are not running to Asia in big numbers because Asian guys have standards. I would like to see some 65 year old fat bitch try to score a hot young Chinese guy in Beijing. I know butt poor guys in Vietnam that would vomit to see these women naked and would rather starve than put their dick in one.

The guys in Africa and Jamaica are just a special kind of desperate. Notice how they don't hit up black guys in the US. Lots of chubber chasers in that community... but even they have standards!

Anyway... the greatest difference between male and female sex tourism... is that men pay for themselves, while women are divorce raping a man or scamming a welfare system to get their jollies.

[Incubus]

Actually males do what evolution taught us.....and girls in other countries "GO FOR IT"....we are providers, they like our wisdom (age). and we got sperm (any age)

A travelling sex hag.... undermines any male she comes in contact with (above points)

The old bag is worse than a male sex tourist. What happens if the Kenyan guy is the "provider" to his wife and kids? When this old cow with money comes along?
A guy sex tourist is usually what?.....a dude picking up where the local guys" or providers" failed..and the women took initiative.

The stench for women gets worse ...I read somewhere how women find it so refreshing to get whistled at and desired by men in other other "3rd world countries"....the article is actually encouraging (young) lame ass fucked up women to travel to countries where RAPE by the locals is almost a given!

Nobodies going to bail out a guy in a 3rd world country (tough luck buddy) but for our angels without borders we'll fly in the seal teams

Cocks ain't the problem in the west...it's "the self repressed Gloria Steinem hags" trying to mind fuck the younger women using the lesbian media.

It's just another point for cultural suicide......old bags that wasted their youth that don't want to be silent for 40 years and die...they wanna show the young chicks how great a National Geographic tribal fuck is HOT.

[EndsExpect]

(11-06-2017 12:02 AM)Incubus Wrote:  

The stench for women gets worse ...I read somewhere how women find it so refreshing to get whistled at and desired by men in other other "3rd world countries"....the article is actually encouraging (young) lame ass fucked up women to travel to countries where RAPE by the locals is almost a given!
Nobodies going to bail out a guy in a 3rd world country (tough luck buddy) but for our angels without borders we'll fly in the seal teams
Cocks ain't the problem in the west...it's "the self repressed Gloria Steinem hags" trying to mind fuck the younger women using the lesbian media.
It's just another point for cultural suicide......old bags that wasted their youth that don't want to be silent for 40 years and die...they wanna show the young chicks how great a National Geographic tribal fuck is HOT.

Men ARE the problem in the west. Europe is overrun with passive, submissive, effeminate men. The Islamic world DOES NOT HAVE THIS ISSUE. They keep their women in check. Why can't European men do this? Because they no longer have the balls. Women require strong fathers and men that are leaders. When a culture stops producing such men, the women become just as you see them. Many women don't even know how to give up control enough to let a man lead today. You literally have to engage in a relationship power struggle. I've done it several times and once I take control... the woman begins to act more feminine and happier.

Look, if some fugly western hags want to pay handsome young Kenyan dudes to fuck them... let them go for it. The key here is that they should be cut off from government and personal financial benefits. They should do this with money they earned through their own work.

[questor70]

(11-06-2017 12:08 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Men ARE the problem in the west. Europe is overrun with passive, submissive, effeminate men.

Why is it, then, that Europeans report higher happiness levels than the US? The same countries we despise as being the endgame of gynocentrism like Sweden. I think it's cultural relativism in a way. We look at their lifestyle with shock and horror and yet to them, it's normal. I mean, could someone please steer me towards men from liberalized european countries ranting about the sad state of gender relations? Where's the equivalent of red-pill manosphere in Nordic countries? Maybe it's just not available in english?