Selembao a leftover Ukrainian woman is probably still better than a "prime" western woman.
The difference location makes
Quote: (10-11-2017 06:54 PM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:
Being back in Canada now after being on the road for three years, it's really crazy to see how much location matters when picking up girls. Some examples:
- chatting with a 34 year Russian from Tinder that can't seem to find the time to meet. In Moscow she wouldn't even be on my radar, but if she was she'd be eager meet / bone.
- Met up with a 25 year old Nigerian that turned out to be a strident feminist. Again, if I was in Africa she wouldn't even be on my radar, but here in Canada she feels like she has the higher value and is entitled to the best men. In Kenya I could simply order sexy 18-24 year olds to my place off Tinder.
- Went out with a typical Filipino 6. A chick in Manila I would just order to my room off Tinder. Here she gets uppity about me trying to escalate.
See a lot of black guy white girl couples (thanks to North American pop culture) which I rarely saw outside of the West. White guys here seem to be dating asian girls out of a lack of white girl options. It really is bizarro world out here. Up is down, down is up.
Guys are timid to make moves for a rightful fear of being ostracized. There's an underlying sense that the women hold all the cards whereas in Eastern Europe it was the reverse.
Agree 100%
Location is indeed very important, in the West where girls have insane SMV and 100s of orbiters they're much worse than in countries where their SMV is lower.
This is valid especially for average girls....true 10's can be bitches even in Kiev or Moscow or Manila, but your average 7s will be much more approachable, kind, down to earth and feminine in less westernalized countries
Quote: (10-15-2017 10:42 AM)StepUp Wrote:
Quote: (10-11-2017 06:54 PM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:
Being back in Canada now after being on the road for three years, it's really crazy to see how much location matters when picking up girls. Some examples:
- chatting with a 34 year Russian from Tinder that can't seem to find the time to meet. In Moscow she wouldn't even be on my radar, but if she was she'd be eager meet / bone.
- Met up with a 25 year old Nigerian that turned out to be a strident feminist. Again, if I was in Africa she wouldn't even be on my radar, but here in Canada she feels like she has the higher value and is entitled to the best men. In Kenya I could simply order sexy 18-24 year olds to my place off Tinder.
- Went out with a typical Filipino 6. A chick in Manila I would just order to my room off Tinder. Here she gets uppity about me trying to escalate.
See a lot of black guy white girl couples (thanks to North American pop culture) which I rarely saw outside of the West. White guys here seem to be dating asian girls out of a lack of white girl options. It really is bizarro world out here. Up is down, down is up.
Guys are timid to make moves for a rightful fear of being ostracized. There's an underlying sense that the women hold all the cards whereas in Eastern Europe it was the reverse.
Agree 100%
Location is indeed very important, in the West where girls have insane SMV and 100s of orbiters they're much worse than in countries where their SMV is lower.
This is valid especially for average girls....true 10's can be bitches even in Kiev or Moscow or Manila, but your average 7s will be much more approachable, kind, down to earth and feminine in less westernalized countries
A local 7 is going to be tough in pretty much any part of the world. Don't think your local in 7 in Manila has 100's of orbiters? Might want to check out her phone and see how many messages keep pouring in. Now perhaps a local 7 is an 8 in the US, so your argument could be valid where a 5/6 turns into a 6/7 in the US.
This is where I believe location arbitrage is so important. Those local 5/6 are treated as such by locals, but they could easily be considered a "7" in the US.
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Selembao a leftover Ukrainian woman is probably still better than a "prime" western woman.
No matter where in the world you go, the social paradigms stay relatively the same. All that changes is the what constitutes a local 5. Generally the less obese the country, the higher the average 5. I bet the average Ukrainian 5 would be elevated to 6.5 maybe in the US.
Quote: (10-15-2017 11:19 AM)Putin Closes Wrote:
Quote: (10-15-2017 10:42 AM)StepUp Wrote:
Quote: (10-11-2017 06:54 PM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:
Being back in Canada now after being on the road for three years, it's really crazy to see how much location matters when picking up girls. Some examples:
- chatting with a 34 year Russian from Tinder that can't seem to find the time to meet. In Moscow she wouldn't even be on my radar, but if she was she'd be eager meet / bone.
- Met up with a 25 year old Nigerian that turned out to be a strident feminist. Again, if I was in Africa she wouldn't even be on my radar, but here in Canada she feels like she has the higher value and is entitled to the best men. In Kenya I could simply order sexy 18-24 year olds to my place off Tinder.
- Went out with a typical Filipino 6. A chick in Manila I would just order to my room off Tinder. Here she gets uppity about me trying to escalate.
See a lot of black guy white girl couples (thanks to North American pop culture) which I rarely saw outside of the West. White guys here seem to be dating asian girls out of a lack of white girl options. It really is bizarro world out here. Up is down, down is up.
Guys are timid to make moves for a rightful fear of being ostracized. There's an underlying sense that the women hold all the cards whereas in Eastern Europe it was the reverse.
Agree 100%
Location is indeed very important, in the West where girls have insane SMV and 100s of orbiters they're much worse than in countries where their SMV is lower.
This is valid especially for average girls....true 10's can be bitches even in Kiev or Moscow or Manila, but your average 7s will be much more approachable, kind, down to earth and feminine in less westernalized countries
A local 7 is going to be tough in pretty much any part of the world. Don't think your local in 7 in Manila has 100's of orbiters? Might want to check out her phone and see how many messages keep pouring in. Now perhaps a local 7 is an 8 in the US, so your argument could be valid where a 5/6 turns into a 6/7 in the US.
This is where I believe location arbitrage is so important. Those local 5/6 are treated as such by locals, but they could easily be considered a "7" in the US.
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Selembao a leftover Ukrainian woman is probably still better than a "prime" western woman.
No matter where in the world you go, the social paradigms stay relatively the same. All that changes is the what constitutes a local 5. Generally the less obese the country, the higher the average 5. I bet the average Ukrainian 5 would be elevated to 6.5 maybe in the US.
A local 7 with inflated value will have a lot of orbiters, aka the girl who maximize her value dressing like slut, having instagram seeking for attention. Problem with short term travelers is that they have no access to social circles, and neither they are likely to meet the girs who are good looking, but homely type of girls who focus on work and rarely go out (I have meet quite a few of those in every country I have been). Most guys will be hitting on women who frequent clubs in Big cities, the type of girl who has already been approached by many local guys and used to foreigners frequenting those places, that is why most short term travelers and specially PUA's tend to have skewed view in this aspect..
Quote: (10-13-2017 06:39 AM)Sky_Is_The_Limit Wrote:
Quote: (10-13-2017 04:28 AM)Naughty_Boy Wrote:
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As a fellow German, I can feel your pain. It's even worse in Berlin, believe me. I've spent so much time blaming myself for not getting the best/most attractive women. But now I realize there aren't that many, and as you said, the ones who are hot have a shitty attitude. The rejections of German women can be pretty painful, and sometimes fatal for beginners (because they get discouraged).
I'll be in Ukraine in November for the very fist time. It doesn't matter if I get laid or not - I just want to feel that feminine energy and be surrounded by beautiful women. Been in Poland a couple of times, and it's already a different world compared to Germany.
I can imagine that Berlin sucks even more with the shitty leftist hipster attitude than Hamburg, but at least you get a fair amount of tourists and girls from eastern Germany which are not that bad.
But hey, you live in fucking Berlin! If you jump in a train/bus/car you are in 3 hours in Poznan, 4,5 hours in Wroclaw. Those are compared to Germany Pussy Paradise
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If I would have your opportunity I would spend every damn weekend in Poland. Polish immigrants in Germany do it the same: Work in Germany, visit their wife / girlfriend on the weekends
@StepUp - how right you are about certain girls being bitches whether you are in London or Kiev or Moscow or Warsaw or wherever. There will always be a subset of girls that will be bitchy, and over time you can usually tell which ones. They're not necessarily true "10"s (I don't think a true 10 can exist) but I know what you mean when you say "10". They can be 7s or 8s but more "hot" than "pretty". The 7s or 8s who look more like "regular" girls than girls who are sponsored or provided for fully by some local skinhead are those I generally look for, but as @Putin Closes correctly states, a local 7 anywhere is usually going to be difficult. The guys on this forum are usually going in via cold approach so it is a different beast from how the local 6s, 7s and 8s meet their boyfriends i.e. via social circle, more traditional family connections etc., especially in more conservative cultures. So you can have bitchy local 7s blowing you off in a so-called "poosy paradise" and you can have sweet, polite 7s softly rejecting you because they genuinely wish to remain faithful to their BF of 6+ years.
Location change is often the necessary first step, but that is just becoming a prerequisite nowadays rather than the whole solution. The next requirement is old-fashioned hard work. Even if you're going to certain "easy mode" locations in SEA, the whole process is not necessarily "easy" for a lot of guys.
Berlin I found to be liberal and good for tourists or foreign girls in holiday YOLO mode during the summer such as fellow americans, australians, asians and girls from Latin America either as tourists or full time students, especially in hostels.
Location change is often the necessary first step, but that is just becoming a prerequisite nowadays rather than the whole solution. The next requirement is old-fashioned hard work. Even if you're going to certain "easy mode" locations in SEA, the whole process is not necessarily "easy" for a lot of guys.
Berlin I found to be liberal and good for tourists or foreign girls in holiday YOLO mode during the summer such as fellow americans, australians, asians and girls from Latin America either as tourists or full time students, especially in hostels.
Quote: (10-11-2017 06:54 PM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:
Being back in Canada now after being on the road for three years, it's really crazy to see how much location matters when picking up girls. Some examples:
- chatting with a 34 year Russian from Tinder that can't seem to find the time to meet. In Moscow she wouldn't even be on my radar, but if she was she'd be eager meet / bone.
- Met up with a 25 year old Nigerian that turned out to be a strident feminist. Again, if I was in Africa she wouldn't even be on my radar, but here in Canada she feels like she has the higher value and is entitled to the best men. In Kenya I could simply order sexy 18-24 year olds to my place off Tinder.
- Went out with a typical Filipino 6. A chick in Manila I would just order to my room off Tinder. Here she gets uppity about me trying to escalate.
See a lot of black guy white girl couples (thanks to North American pop culture) which I rarely saw outside of the West. White guys here seem to be dating asian girls out of a lack of white girl options. It really is bizarro world out here. Up is down, down is up.
Guys are timid to make moves for a rightful fear of being ostracized. There's an underlying sense that the women hold all the cards whereas in Eastern Europe it was the reverse.
Well i agree about Canada , and depends where in Canada , but dont agree about North America.
Depends where in Canada , if you are talking about Montreal , it is abvious , if you are normally target a 8/10 or 9/10 , in Montreal even a 5/10 or 4/10 will easily reject you (this sounds so weird in a city where many beautifuls girls lives , but for 1 hot girl there 5 hot guys) ,worst city you can pick in North America.
Second option : anglosphere part of Canada , of course harder than russia or some others countries but still fesable and girls are bit down to earth compared to quebec. I found like 7/10 girls english canadians acts same as 4/10 in Quebec. Also more DTF .
i Said dont agree for North America, because my experience in US was different, girls were way easier and DTF than Canadians. US is one of my favorite countries in the world.
Those Femen activists were all paid prostitutes from Eastern Europe, there was a good RoK article on it. And how a group of catholic girls infiltrated it and exposed the top organiser being a Wenstein type with an agenda.
Location makes a HUGE difference.
I can't go back to Western women after traveling abroad & finding my niche.
I pretty much go monk mode when I'm back in the West & save all my play time for abroad.
After experimentation, I've found this is the best bang-for-your-buck. I could find 10 women of equal or better looks in my favorite countries with better attitudes for every 1 I find in the West. And those 10 are all within walking distance.
The comparison is so drastic it's almost not even fair to do so.
I can't go back to Western women after traveling abroad & finding my niche.
I pretty much go monk mode when I'm back in the West & save all my play time for abroad.
After experimentation, I've found this is the best bang-for-your-buck. I could find 10 women of equal or better looks in my favorite countries with better attitudes for every 1 I find in the West. And those 10 are all within walking distance.
The comparison is so drastic it's almost not even fair to do so.
Surgically precise game is best game.
-Surgeon
Quote: (10-26-2017 09:53 PM)dknightbro Wrote:
Location makes a HUGE difference.
I can't go back to Western women after traveling abroad & finding my niche.
I pretty much go monk mode when I'm back in the West & save all my play time for abroad.
After experimentation, I've found this is the best bang-for-your-buck. I could find 10 women of equal or better looks in my favorite countries with better attitudes for every 1 I find in the West. And those 10 are all within walking distance.
The comparison is so drastic it's almost not even fair to do so.
Yes but worst part is , that money opportunities ... are all in the west .
A 6 in USA is a 6 in Russia and a 6 in Colombia and a 6 in Philippines. They may have some different features that make them physically attractive (e.g. Filipinas score points in some different ways from Colombian girls etc.) but isn't the so-called 1-10 scale a measure of physical attractiveness? A "5" becoming a "6.5" just by traveling to another place can't happen as it's the same girl. What your average guy in that country would rate her as, often determined by the local average, local thirst etc. is what you're describing. But someone who is aware of the beauty of different women all over the globe would be aware of objective physical attractiveness of a woman and rate her objectively.
For example I notice in USA that the average woman is very low, while in Poland the average is much higher. "Adjusting" the rating of a woman based on location gives her extra points if her fellow countrywomen are also busted as fuck. If I see a 7 in the US, I will rate her a 7. If I see a 7 in Poland, I will rate her a 7. How they behave of course tends to be different but we all knew that.
For example I notice in USA that the average woman is very low, while in Poland the average is much higher. "Adjusting" the rating of a woman based on location gives her extra points if her fellow countrywomen are also busted as fuck. If I see a 7 in the US, I will rate her a 7. If I see a 7 in Poland, I will rate her a 7. How they behave of course tends to be different but we all knew that.
Quote: (10-27-2017 09:10 AM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:
A 6 in USA is a 6 in Russia and a 6 in Colombia and a 6 in Philippines. They may have some different features that make them physically attractive (e.g. Filipinas score points in some different ways from Colombian girls etc.) but isn't the so-called 1-10 scale a measure of physical attractiveness? A "5" becoming a "6.5" just by traveling to another place can't happen as it's the same girl. What your average guy in that country would rate her as, often determined by the local average, local thirst etc. is what you're describing. But someone who is aware of the beauty of different women all over the globe would be aware of objective physical attractiveness of a woman and rate her objectively.
For example I notice in USA that the average woman is very low, while in Poland the average is much higher. "Adjusting" the rating of a woman based on location gives her extra points if her fellow countrywomen are also busted as fuck. If I see a 7 in the US, I will rate her a 7. If I see a 7 in Poland, I will rate her a 7. How they behave of course tends to be different but we all knew that.
Its more about behaviour and bitchiness.
I would not even go far to Poland , I noticed , even though there are more beautiful girls in Montreal than Boston or NYC for example, a 4 in Montreal acts like an 8 in NYC. those two citcies are 6 hours away driving.
You can swim in pussy in one (NYC) and stay virgin in another (Montreal).
I know what you mean but the 4 is still a 4, with a terrible attitude. And the 8 is still an 8. What your describing is a "49er", sadly all too common in the US/UK/Western Europe.
Her behavioral traits, her bitchiness, her sense of entitlement, her level of promiscuity, how intimidating her facial expression is etc. etc. -- I would lump all that under personality/temperament. You could maybe take a separate measure of how she rates herself vs how hot she objectively is, which is ultimately what I think you're trying to say.
Her behavioral traits, her bitchiness, her sense of entitlement, her level of promiscuity, how intimidating her facial expression is etc. etc. -- I would lump all that under personality/temperament. You could maybe take a separate measure of how she rates herself vs how hot she objectively is, which is ultimately what I think you're trying to say.
Quote: (10-27-2017 09:10 AM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:
A 6 in USA is a 6 in Russia and a 6 in Colombia and a 6 in Philippines. They may have some different features that make them physically attractive (e.g. Filipinas score points in some different ways from Colombian girls etc.) but isn't the so-called 1-10 scale a measure of physical attractiveness? A "5" becoming a "6.5" just by traveling to another place can't happen as it's the same girl. What your average guy in that country would rate her as, often determined by the local average, local thirst etc. is what you're describing. But someone who is aware of the beauty of different women all over the globe would be aware of objective physical attractiveness of a woman and rate her objectively.
For example I notice in USA that the average woman is very low, while in Poland the average is much higher. "Adjusting" the rating of a woman based on location gives her extra points if her fellow countrywomen are also busted as fuck. If I see a 7 in the US, I will rate her a 7. If I see a 7 in Poland, I will rate her a 7. How they behave of course tends to be different but we all knew that.
You can't objectively compare a "6" Colombian to a "6" filipina. Just too different types of facial and body features. What you can compare them to is to the local populace, and what the local guys treat them as.
As per previous bang experiences, a 6 in asia is already getting swarmed with messages in WA / line, while a true 7 her phone keeps buzzing like no tomorrow. Gotta take the hamsters drug and turn it off.
Now if you want to go the road fuck what other people think, shes a 7 to me, thats fine, but will result in biased reports, which could be a good r bad thing.
Frankly I find the objective beauty rating barely relevant.
I can't recall the last time I cared about whether my peers thought a girl was attractive. If I find her attractive, then that's enough & I approach and I determine how to proceed from there.
Also, the longer you're in game / gain life experience, you'll learn better the types of women you're attracted to. My preferences vary drastically from my wings. If I had to wait every time to determine whether I should approach a girl based on her objective beauty, I'd prob. still be in armchair PUA mode.
This is why I'm more interested in game than trying to emulate every top player. Some of the best players I learn from are attracted to women I simply am not as attracted to.
I can't recall the last time I cared about whether my peers thought a girl was attractive. If I find her attractive, then that's enough & I approach and I determine how to proceed from there.
Also, the longer you're in game / gain life experience, you'll learn better the types of women you're attracted to. My preferences vary drastically from my wings. If I had to wait every time to determine whether I should approach a girl based on her objective beauty, I'd prob. still be in armchair PUA mode.
This is why I'm more interested in game than trying to emulate every top player. Some of the best players I learn from are attracted to women I simply am not as attracted to.
Surgically precise game is best game.
-Surgeon
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