[Aurini]

(10-08-2017 06:24 PM)puckerman Wrote:  

One thing that has not been brought up was that Hef was a pioneer in breaking down racial barriers. He brought African Americans on his show when hardly anybody else would. He featured a lot of Jazz artists and others. His party invites didn't know racial prejudice:

Hef and Louis Armstrong:



Hef and Sammy Davis, Jr.:



Hef and Ella Fitzgerald:

Didn't Frank Sinatra do it first? Call me a cynic, but I'm not a fan of those who pick up a cause as soon as it becomes trendy. Hell, maybe Sinatra was just being trendy too.

Quote:

You may or may not like what he did for a living, but it can't be denied that the guy is an inspiration. Imagine if a guy from this forum got divorce raped and went on to live a life of banging 10/10 models and throwing parties for the world's biggest celebrities, he would be a legend.

I think the point many of us are making is that this is the WRONG way to deal with something. Let's say you're a maverick film Producer like George Lucas, trying to make this crazy, new Star Wars thing, and a business partner screws you over and ruins the film. If that had happened, and Lucas then went on to embrace cynical materialism - releasing nothing but the then-equivalent of Transformers - I'd call that a waste.

A life spent pursuing worldly things, rather than things of the spirit, will leave you empty inside. What good is an empire, if there's no one there for you to share it with? If it's not an empire run for the good of others, but one which steals from all of those who come into contact with it? That's a lonely and sad end - it's the end which the road of vengeance leads to.

[Sherman]

(10-09-2017 05:11 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

Didn't Frank Sinatra do it first? Call me a cynic, but I'm not a fan of those who pick up a cause as soon as it becomes trendy. Hell, maybe Sinatra was just being trendy too.

Supporting civil rights in the 1950s was before it was trendy.


Hugh Hefner’s Secret History as a Civil Rights Campaigner

http://people.com/celebrity/hugh-hefner-...-activist/

"EBONY Magazine remembers Hugh Hefner and what he contributed to Civil Rights"

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/eb...s.1271398/

[captain_shane]

(10-09-2017 05:11 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 06:24 PM)puckerman Wrote:  

One thing that has not been brought up was that Hef was a pioneer in breaking down racial barriers. He brought African Americans on his show when hardly anybody else would. He featured a lot of Jazz artists and others. His party invites didn't know racial prejudice:

Hef and Louis Armstrong:



Hef and Sammy Davis, Jr.:



Hef and Ella Fitzgerald:

Didn't Frank Sinatra do it first? Call me a cynic, but I'm not a fan of those who pick up a cause as soon as it becomes trendy. Hell, maybe Sinatra was just being trendy too.

Quote:

You may or may not like what he did for a living, but it can't be denied that the guy is an inspiration. Imagine if a guy from this forum got divorce raped and went on to live a life of banging 10/10 models and throwing parties for the world's biggest celebrities, he would be a legend.

I think the point many of us are making is that this is the WRONG way to deal with something. Let's say you're a maverick film Producer like George Lucas, trying to make this crazy, new Star Wars thing, and a business partner screws you over and ruins the film. If that had happened, and Lucas then went on to embrace cynical materialism - releasing nothing but the then-equivalent of Transformers - I'd call that a waste.

A life spent pursuing worldly things, rather than things of the spirit, will leave you empty inside. What good is an empire, if there's no one there for you to share it with? If it's not an empire run for the good of others, but one which steals from all of those who come into contact with it? That's a lonely and sad end - it's the end which the road of vengeance leads to.

He has children to pass his legacy down to.

Maybe he found his spiritual side while on the inside of some of the prettiest girls on the planet. Not everyone aspires to be the Dalai Lama.

I find the moral outrages on here about Hef to be pretty funny.

[AneroidOcean]

(10-08-2017 07:41 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

I call bullshit on the race angle as well.

75% to 90% of bunny girls at his house parties, casinos, other venues and the nude models in playboy magazine were white girls. This high quota of white females was held from the 1950s all the way until the late 1990s/early 2000s. A black, asian or other ethnic nude model in playboy magazine was an occasional treat...you might have 1 or 2 non white centrefolds per year at most. Also, look at the thousands of photos of Hef surrounded by bunnies over the span of 50 years...how many non white girls can you find ?

Hef knew where the main source of his never ending cash cow was.
Thirsty white men with disposable income were the demographic group he had to target the most to keep the cash rolling in.

Equality my ass.

I call bullshit on your bullshit. Whites are by far the racial majority in this country and it's been an even higher percentage in the past. Most people fantasize about fucking others that look like them primarily. Hence, mostly white women in the magazine (not to mention Hef's self-admitted preference for blonde white women).

If you choose to market mostly to the people who buy your product you're a racist?

[justforfun19713]

(10-09-2017 04:37 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 02:27 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Looks like race threads are RVF's version of "6 degrees of kevin bacon." Can literally turn any topic into a race discussion.

Generally a result of our dearest politics posters getting in over their heads and out of their element.

Easy to trace from where they have accumulated the majority of their reps from(other than meet ups as that's carte blanche could be about anything they discussed in person such as staring at the sun to improve your eyesight, the earth bring flat, or about succubi) and not from where they supposedly posted as well.

Want to know if someone has game? Check their reps. As the forum has evolved further than game due to what some consider more pressing topics of discussion.

HAHAHA!!! Hilarious and true on oh so many levels Compte... So many levels. Who cares??!!

10 pages of people having what they believe to be a serious discussions about Heffner and almost anything other than a hot piece of *ss.

Heff being conclusively declared racist or not racist by participants on a chat board dedicated primarily to gaming girls and pick-up is about as likely as me f*ck*ng a watermelon I warmed-up in the Microwave for 30 seconds in front of the three 8’s I had in my kitchen that were Snapchatting and playing with themselves while they watched me last week.

It could happen, but do you really want to spend time thinking about it?

You’re welcome.

(Watermelon Bellini’s anyone?)

[kosko]

People getting to worked over race as always. Not many Asian-American or African-American girls who going to pose nude in general in the 1970s. You would probably find 100 girls nationwide who would be down. Playboy was a business and indeed push the Blondie stereotypes even as America has been majority brown hair and brown eyes for well over 150 years. Hugh Hefner did indeed like to hire minority girls for staff and bunnies for all aspects of his company well before it was cool. Hugh understood that pussy was all link inside early and that the idea of the "niche" was real and that you were stupid to not give men who may have different tastes in women something to nibble on.

I've grown indifferent on Hef as I have learned about his weird fetishes and what not but for his work back in the day he was indeed a pioneer in race relations in America and was indeed going different directions before others did. The infamous and well written Playboy articles features many great African-American writers on the bylines.

[Samseau]

(10-09-2017 04:59 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  

I think Hugh Hefner is an amazing story. A story about a regular schmuck that gets divorced and decides to live a lifestyle only others can dream about.

You may or may not like what he did for a living, but it can't be denied that the guy is an inspiration. Imagine if a guy from this forum got divorce raped and went on to live a life of banging 10/10 models and throwing parties for the world's biggest celebrities, he would be a legend.

RIP Hef, you showed what's possible.

So do you admire RawMeo and his alphabay adventures? Stealing people's identities, selling weapons to criminals, boy what a success story!

Where do you draw the line between right and wrong? Defenders of Hef think whoring is cool, guess what most men disagree. Whoring destroys women and weakens men. It corrodes families and destroys society. Whoring sends people to hell, both on this lifetime and the next one.

Unless people start by defending whoring, there is no real defense of men like Hugh Hefner.

[Comte De St. Germain]

(10-09-2017 06:12 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 04:59 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  

I think Hugh Hefner is an amazing story. A story about a regular schmuck that gets divorced and decides to live a lifestyle only others can dream about.

You may or may not like what he did for a living, but it can't be denied that the guy is an inspiration. Imagine if a guy from this forum got divorce raped and went on to live a life of banging 10/10 models and throwing parties for the world's biggest celebrities, he would be a legend.

RIP Hef, you showed what's possible.

So do you admire RawMeo and his alphabay adventures? Stealing people's identities, selling weapons to criminals, boy what a success story!

Where do you draw the line between right and wrong? Defenders of Hef think whoring is cool, guess what most men disagree. Whoring destroys women and weakens men. It corrodes families and destroys society. Whoring sends people to hell, both on this lifetime and the next one.

Unless people start by defending whoring, there is no real defense of men like Hugh Hefner.

Most men don't disagree. Most men view Hefner as cool. This forum to my knowledge doesn't advertise to most men. Whether they are right on this one or not is up for contention. And honestly you don't speak for most men as we can see by the likes given to some very specific posts in this thread versus others.

Your statement of absolutes on what Hefner did aside.

[captain_shane]

(10-09-2017 06:12 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 04:59 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  

I think Hugh Hefner is an amazing story. A story about a regular schmuck that gets divorced and decides to live a lifestyle only others can dream about.

You may or may not like what he did for a living, but it can't be denied that the guy is an inspiration. Imagine if a guy from this forum got divorce raped and went on to live a life of banging 10/10 models and throwing parties for the world's biggest celebrities, he would be a legend.

RIP Hef, you showed what's possible.

So do you admire RawMeo and his alphabay adventures? Stealing people's identities, selling weapons to criminals, boy what a success story!

Where do you draw the line between right and wrong? Defenders of Hef think whoring is cool, guess what most men disagree. Whoring destroys women and weakens men. It corrodes families and destroys society. Whoring sends people to hell, both on this lifetime and the next one.

Unless people start by defending whoring, there is no real defense of men like Hugh Hefner.

Another moral crusader! Go ask 10 guys what they think of Hef, and 9 will say he was awesome.

Sells magazines with hot naked girls and lives a lifestyle of sex, drugs, and parties... Wow, what a terrible guy.

Your moral outrage would be better directed at other people than Hef.

[Samseau]

If you ask the average men if they think Hef is cool, they will say he's the man.
Ask the same man if he thinks banging whores is cool, he will say no.

The average man is confused about this, but no one ever said men were purely rational animals.

I know on this forum, whores are held in fairly high esteem, but not as high as you might think. The NoFap thread is pretty big, which is really an objection to porn more so than fapping as far as I can tell.

Regardless, one of my favorite things to do is tear down false prophets and idols, by simply telling things as they are. Hugh was a whoremonger who glorified whores. I think whores are disgusting, why don't you?

[Comte De St. Germain]

(10-09-2017 06:26 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

If you ask the average men if they think Hef is cool, they will say he's the man.
Ask the same man if he thinks banging whores is cool, he will say no.

The average man is confused about this, but no one ever said men were purely rational animals.

I know on this forum, whores are held in fairly high esteem, but not as high as you might think. The NoFap thread is pretty big, which is really an objection to porn more so than fapping as far as I can tell.

Regardless, one of my favorite things to do is tear down false prophets and idols, by simply telling things as they are. Hugh was a whoremonger who glorified whores. I think whores are disgusting, why don't you?

Cobra laid out in detail why we disagree(and it's not because we like whores or pay for whores as you seem to assume). If you disagree past that then it boils down to a difference of values and opinions on the topic. I've long seen that difference. I'm not out here prolestyzing to a crowd that's mostly deaf to the values I espouse unlike you.

Again it's better to agree to disagree; you're not convincing anyone with your personal morality.

[Space Cowboy]

(10-09-2017 06:26 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I know on this forum, whores are held in fairly high esteem, but not as high as you might think. The NoFap thread is pretty big, which is really an objection to porn more so than fapping as far as I can tell.

Self-improvement is held most high on this forum. That is something that Hef excelled at. Can those who spend hours of their free time tearing him down say the same?

[Mercenary]

(10-09-2017 04:37 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

Generally a result of our dearest politics posters getting in over their heads and out of their element.

Easy to trace from where they have accumulated the majority of their reps from(other than meet ups as that's carte blanche could be about anything they discussed in person such as staring at the sun to improve your eyesight, the earth bring flat, or about succubi) and not from where they supposedly posted as well.

Want to know if someone has game? Check their reps. As the forum has evolved further than game due to what some consider more pressing topics of discussion.

Comte, this is the 2nd time you have attacked me personally in this thread.
You got a hard on for me or something ?
Anyhow, I'd love to meet you cause I definitely need to learn game from you Comte.

You can start by teaching me how you managed to game, get hard for and then bang a girl who weighed 280 pounds (130 kilos!) and then brag about it to the world on RVF. That's some next level shit I can only dream of. +1 for that amazing HUGE notch !

After that you can tell me all about your other amazing game techniques....oh wait you don't game anything else cause you're always too busy jacking off to porn, as you readily admit in the NoFap thread where you always talk about failing over and over again like a total loser.

The only game related thread you have ever created was about social circle game....thats for dudes who want to bang their cousins or can't approach real girls. But you're too busy masturbating to Hef's Playboy porn all the time do even do that.

[Comte De St. Germain]

I did not mention anyone personally and only named some random topics I found absurd unrelated to the forum. Feel free to project any perceived insults if you wish. I have more issue with certain opinions than anything else.

If you feel the need to attack me unnecessarily that's your prerogative.

[captain_shane]

(10-09-2017 06:44 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 04:37 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

Generally a result of our dearest politics posters getting in over their heads and out of their element.

Easy to trace from where they have accumulated the majority of their reps from(other than meet ups as that's carte blanche could be about anything they discussed in person such as staring at the sun to improve your eyesight, the earth bring flat, or about succubi) and not from where they supposedly posted as well.

Want to know if someone has game? Check their reps. As the forum has evolved further than game due to what some consider more pressing topics of discussion.

Comte, this is the 2nd time you have attacked me personally in this thread.
You got a hard on for me or something ?
Anyhow, I'd love to meet you cause I definitely need to learn game from you Comte.

You can start by teaching me how you managed to game, get hard for and then bang a girl who weighed 280 pounds (130 kilos!) and then brag about it to the world on RVF. That's some next level shit I can only dream of. +1 for that amazing HUGE notch !

After that you can tell me all about your other amazing game techniques....oh wait you don't game anything else cause you're always too busy jacking off to porn, as you readily admit in the NoFap thread where you always talk about failing over and over again like a total loser.

The only game related thread you have ever created was about social circle game....thats for dudes who want to bang their cousins or can't approach real girls. But you're too busy jacking off to Hef's Playboy porn all the time do even do that.

Social circle is where you get the hottest girls bar none. Cold approach will never get the results that a high end social circle does.

[Mercenary]

(10-09-2017 06:48 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

I did not mention anyone personally

My mistake, you must mean another RVFer (apart from me) who also talked about "staring at the sun to improve your eyesight, the earth bring flat, or about succubi."

Your veiled personal attacks don't fool anyone.
I said those things in the past, and I own all of them without shame.

The real question is, what the hell does bringing any of my past opinions on other totally unrelated topics, have to do with the discussion about Hugh Hefner ?


But it's no surprise...you have a bad habit of personally attacking or insulting respected and established members on RVF like you did with Valentine, or attacking long standing members like Pride Male for which you got a 7 day ban if remember correctly.

[Comte De St. Germain]

(10-09-2017 06:59 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 06:48 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

I did not mention anyone personally

My mistake, you must mean another RVFer (apart from me) who also talked about "staring at the sun to improve your eyesight, the earth bring flat, or about succubi."

Your veiled attacks don't fool anyone.
I said those things in the past, and I own all of them without shame.

The real question is, what the hell does bringing any of my past opinions on other totally unrelated topics, have to do with the discussion about Hugh Hefner ?

Yeah and I know people in real life that have too with various opinions I disagree with. Shit I believe in demons myself, but that's neither here nor there.

If you think this is about you again I could care less about you, and more about the implications of being associated with a whoremonger for my opinions and the topic of game.

If you wanted to duke it out with me on those topics you were always welcome too over PM.

[Sherman]

It seems to be established that Hugh Hefner was legitimately for civil rights beginning at least in the 1950s. This is acknowledge by civil rights leaders. In contrast, many of those attacking Hefner for publishing pictures of women were active segregationists and cruel to people just for who they were.

I think a case can be made that Hefner was a moral man who believed in treating people fairly. He was a Methodist and may have internalized his values from the teachings of John Wesley. I saw one interview where he said he always reminded himself of his fortunate position and not to abuse his power.

In any case, when you are immoral and unjust, people that have been under your control tend to hate you.

http://abolition.e2bn.org/people_32.html

   

[911]

(10-09-2017 02:27 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Looks like race threads are RVF's version of "6 degrees of kevin bacon." Can literally turn any topic into a race discussion.

That's a pretty shortsighted view of the last few posts in this thread.

Some posters claimed that Hefner was great because he featured blacks in his media, a relevant point, though misguided IMHO. So I've answered by looking at him as part of the broader toxic cultural message that went with the Civil Rights/Great Society package, a package that greatly undermined black society. This was not a gratuitous tangent, it went instead to the heart of the problem, an important part of the cultural movement promoted by the likes of Hefner.

Actually this perspective helps explain racial problems in America today a whole lot better than purely racial (and fairly racist) explanations that lead people to belive that the problems with black America derive from inherent racial inferiority, rather than nefarious and subversive social engineering programs applied over decades. Most people lack the perspective to understand how important cultural programs have been in the destruction of American society in general, and black communities in particular.

[911]

(10-09-2017 04:37 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 02:27 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Looks like race threads are RVF's version of "6 degrees of kevin bacon." Can literally turn any topic into a race discussion.

Generally a result of our dearest politics posters getting in over their heads and out of their element.

Easy to trace from where they have accumulated the majority of their reps from(other than meet ups as that's carte blanche could be about anything they discussed in person such as staring at the sun to improve your eyesight, the earth bring flat, or about succubi) and not from where they supposedly posted as well.

Want to know if someone has game? Check their reps. As the forum has evolved further than game due to what some consider more pressing topics of discussion.

This is neither the game forum, nor the politics forum, but both subjects are frequently breached, depending on the topic discussed and the angle of approach. Some guys praised Hefner for featuring black people in his media, fair point. I tried to provide a broader picture of the role of leading pornographers like HH in mid to late 20th century, and the nefarious nature of that cultural change agent, using good sources to support my point, in a cogent and concise manner.

That flew a bit over your head, because either by choice or by lack of understanding of mid-century socio-political dynamics, which ultimately govern the way we live today, your perspective on life doesn't seem to be all that profound.

My last post seemed to have triggered Joe Stalin as well, but as a solid poster, he had the decency not to insult other posters the way you've insulted Merc, which you did in a pretty cowardly and passive-aggressive manner.

[911]

(10-09-2017 06:35 PM)Space Cowboy Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 06:26 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I know on this forum, whores are held in fairly high esteem, but not as high as you might think. The NoFap thread is pretty big, which is really an objection to porn more so than fapping as far as I can tell.

Self-improvement is held most high on this forum. That is something that Hef excelled at. Can those who spend hours of their free time tearing him down say the same?

Bottom line - Hef was a glorified pornographer, he made millions selling pictures of naked women that men bought to masturbate to. The cheap glitz and articles are just sugar-coating, he knew that his product had to look more sanitized in order to be sold at newsstands. Sure it's pretty tame by today's standards, but at the time, Playboy was the most hardcore porn one could get outside of red-light district smut peddlers. By the mid-70s, "harder" porn mags and channels were available, with Playboy paving the way.

So anything but "self-improvement", really, unless you think that fapping to porn is a great channel for self-improvement. To the contrary. And that's looking at his role from a cold, rational perspective, before getting into any moralistic considerations.

[justforfun19713]

(10-09-2017 06:26 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

If you ask the average men if they think Hef is cool, they will say he's the man.
Ask the same man if he thinks banging whores is cool, he will say no.

The average man is confused about this, but no one ever said men were purely rational animals.

I know on this forum, whores are held in fairly high esteem, but not as high as you might think. The NoFap thread is pretty big, which is really an objection to porn more so than fapping as far as I can tell.

Regardless, one of my favorite things to do is tear down false prophets and idols, by simply telling things as they are. Hugh was a whoremonger who glorified whores. I think whores are disgusting, why don't you?

Hmm… It has been my experience that loud moral outrage usually means something hide. But, as long as we are in agreement that we can call things for what they are, here is a brief list of whores who were mentioned in quite glowing terms in The Holy Bible.

Rahab – a whore who took in the Israelite spies before Jericho was destroyed. Turns out she ended up being Jesus’ ancestor.

Jael, the chick who quite literally pegged a dude in her tent, in some traditions is thought to have been of loose morals.

Mary Magdalene, widely believed in some traditions to have been a whore

Maybe it’s just me, but it seems time for the purity dudes who are running around the forum calling the rest of us sinners and whoremongers, to find some of that magic Mormon underwear, then go outside and look for the girls in the long flowing dresses carrying Singer sowing machines... Find a nice girl they respect and pump out a little baby Jesus.

As for me? I'm going out to a bar in real life now to see if I can pick up a chick to f*ck tonight. I can almost guarantee I won't be the first guy she's done ever that with, but I'd never judge her to be a whore. As our Lord and Savior (may have) said, 'Let He who is sinless cast the first stone.'

But then that's just how I roll.

[Space Cowboy]

(10-09-2017 08:02 PM)911 Wrote:  

So anything but "self-improvement", really, unless you think that fapping to porn is a great channel for self-improvement. To the contrary. And that's looking at his role from a cold, rational perspective, before getting into any moralistic considerations.

It seems the concept of admiring somebody for building an empire is lost on you. Trump built one on the basis of shady real estate deals that his daddy helped fund but I still admire the effort it took to achieve it. In a similar way, I admire the effort, creativity, and motivation it took for Hef to build his empire.

And, in the end, we're all pornographers on this forum. If some members want to evangelize a lifestyle based on bronze age texts, then so be it-- but it would seem they've long forgotten the original reason Roosh started this great community. It was made great because of the savages who dropped data sheets about banging hynas in Colombia or tearing it up in Manhattan, not because of the e-monks who castigate others from on high.

Cheers!

[Comte De St. Germain]

(10-09-2017 07:46 PM)911 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 04:37 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 02:27 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Looks like race threads are RVF's version of "6 degrees of kevin bacon." Can literally turn any topic into a race discussion.

Generally a result of our dearest politics posters getting in over their heads and out of their element.

Easy to trace from where they have accumulated the majority of their reps from(other than meet ups as that's carte blanche could be about anything they discussed in person such as staring at the sun to improve your eyesight, the earth bring flat, or about succubi) and not from where they supposedly posted as well.

Want to know if someone has game? Check their reps. As the forum has evolved further than game due to what some consider more pressing topics of discussion.

This is neither the game forum, nor the politics forum, but both subjects are frequently breached, depending on the topic discussed and the angle of approach. Some guys praised Hefner for featuring black people in his media, fair point. I tried to provide a broader picture of the role of leading pornographers like HH in mid to late 20th century, and the nefarious nature of that cultural change agent, using good sources to support my point, in a cogent and concise manner.

And it was an interesting read. Just something I completely disagree with.

Quote:

That flew a bit over your head, because either by choice or by lack of understanding of mid-century socio-political dynamics, which ultimately govern the way we live today, your perspective on life doesn't seem to be all that profound.

Neither. I actually love history and social dynamics. That's first and foremost the reason I acclimated to the forum so well. The thing is that I simply don't have the time to discuss these things on the forum nor the energy.

I have to make music, work on my business, study up on a language I've been learning, maintain my friends/help them with their worries, maintain my social circle, keep in touch with acquaintances, and last the thing I have the sparsest time for these days is setup dates in that order.

I log in here mainly to see what my friends have posted and learn something new while giving back where I can. As well as most importantly to me meeting like minded individuals that I'd like to associate with as I have RVF to thank for finding many more like minded people in the world. So I give it my thanks.

It's one thing to discuss these topics in person for me with friends over a cigar and a bottle of cognac(have a few laughs and gain some meaningful insight into myself in the meanwhile as it always relates back to me when discussed in good faith in person so I have something to gain), but it's another entirely to meaninglessly discuss it on an Internet forum as I see no foreseeable gain for me.

Perhaps I'm shortsighted and watching the West fall apart in front of my eyes, or just maybe just maybe I don't have the energy to dedicate to these discussions. You may have more free time to do so. Perhaps you're retired.

I'm not. I have to take my stake in the world while I'm still able. I have no time to sit here and accumulate posts and I don't see it as a worthy endeavor for myself atleast.

Of course I pay attention. It's why I'm here. So feel free to post as I appreciate new insight even if I disagree with it.

It pays to keep my mind open.

Quote:

My last post seemed to have triggered Joe Stalin as well, but as a solid poster, he had the decency not to insult other posters the way you've insulted Merc, which you did in a pretty cowardly and passive-aggressive manner.

I had a problem with those ideas. I have no business attacking things that won't be fruitful to my way of life. I've had my disagreements with him to say the least in the past over some personal slights, but that has no bearing here in the realm of ideas and their merits.

I only pointed out that there's people who post about politics and get their reps from there while there's those that post and get their reps from game. I just felt you guys were out of your element and trying to win over people that had a completely different worldview than yourself as well as the frequent racial undertones in the thread where I felt it had no business.

Hence my comment that the forum has evolved. There's people here for the base content(game and travel) and there's people here for the politics now. There is a distinction as this isn't a "player's forum" anymore not that it ever was.

[911]

(10-09-2017 08:22 PM)Space Cowboy Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 08:02 PM)911 Wrote:  

So anything but "self-improvement", really, unless you think that fapping to porn is a great channel for self-improvement. To the contrary. And that's looking at his role from a cold, rational perspective, before getting into any moralistic considerations.

It seems the concept of admiring somebody for building an empire is lost on you. Trump built one on the basis of shady real estate deals that his daddy helped fund but I still admire the effort it took to achieve it. In a similar way, I admire the effort, creativity, and motivation it took for Hef to build his empire.

And, in the end, we're all pornographers on this forum. If some members want to evangelize a lifestyle based on bronze age texts, then so be it-- but it would seem they've long forgotten the original reason Roosh started this great community. It was made great because of the savages who dropped data sheets about banging hynas in Colombia or tearing it up in Manhattan, not because of the e-monks who castigate others from on high.

Cheers!

Do you also admire people like Soros, who've build bigger empires, banged nice-looking women? I mean look at the guy, a winner we should all admire:



I guess you can admire him, given how successful the guy has been, but when one knows the amount of evil and destruction he's unleashed upon the world, that kind of adulation would really be naive and superficial.

Hefner's body of work has also had a considerable effect on culture and society, and a very negative one IMO. The changes he helped unleash were fairly devastating. Next to Alfred Kinsey, he might have been the most influential agent in the normalization and preponderance of porn. Much like other social change agents like Kinsey, Steinem or Gurley Brown, HH's success wasn't that organic, he got a lot of support along the way.

This community and others started out as a way to deal with the social dysfunctionalities that cultural change agents like Hefner have injected into our culture. I think it's important to point this out, particularly to younger guys who have grown up with and completely internalized porn.